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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 3:32:43 GMT
Oh yeah, that’ll work well. :rolleyes: Save Solas Inquisitor Advisor: No, don’t hurt him! Stop Solas Inquisitor Advisor: Kill everything to get him! Can’t wait. 😒 well I'm just trying to think why the save/kill option is there. It has to matter in DA4 in some way. Maybe a hidden point system like the Quirian/Geth conflict. Or the inquisitor's choice influences it, idk. I don't care much beyond stopping Solas. Hopefully it is there because the Inquisitor is returning as the protagonist. Bioware’s past actions made it so that I don’t trust any other option to accurately reflect them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 3:33:37 GMT
*looks at NPC Revan, NPC Exile, and NPC Hawke* Uh huh, sure we don’t. only played one of those and my Hawke was more or less...my Hawke (though we've had this conversation) Im happy for you. Truly. Meanwhile I’m at a hard 0 for 3.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 28, 2018 3:42:17 GMT
That does beg the question: will the possession be like SAM, an aide and guide, or like Venom who can hijack the PC? Do we know SAM isn’t interfering? If you stick an AI that’s smarter than you inside your head, you’re pretty much accepting that they’re in control. They can access and filter all the information you need (including translating all your communications with other species — better hope they desire to be equally diplomatic), they can fiddle with your thoughts and emotions, they can make incredibly long-range plans, and they can back themselves up so they’ll survive your death. Sure, it may be inconvenient for the AI if you die, but that’s not likely to be their primary concern.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 28, 2018 3:42:53 GMT
well I'm just trying to think why the save/kill option is there. It has to matter in DA4 in some way. Maybe a hidden point system like the Quirian/Geth conflict. Or the inquisitor's choice influences it, idk. I don't care much beyond stopping Solas. Hopefully it is there because the Inquisitor is returning as the protagonist. Bioware’s past actions made it so that I don’t trust any other option to accurately reflect them. I understand why some people want their inquisitor back. I'm pretty attached to mine and her story... But I'm hoping for all new protagonist and squad. I love my Herah but her time is done. Let someone else save the world. Again. new heroes, new squad, new lore. imo, it doesn't matter who stops Solas as long as the kill/redeem choices from Trespasser are respected by the story. Possibly the new protagonist gets a redeem option if the inquisitor chose it in Trespasser while the stop at all costs choice gets no such option.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 28, 2018 3:43:56 GMT
Oh yeah, that’ll work well. :rolleyes: Save Solas Inquisitor Advisor: No, don’t hurt him! Stop Solas Inquisitor Advisor: Kill everything to get him! Can’t wait. 😒 well I'm just trying to think why the save/kill option is there. It has to matter in DA4 in some way. Maybe a hidden point system like the Quirian/Geth conflict. Or the inquisitor's choice influences it, idk. I don't care much beyond stopping Solas. I don't think there will be any mechanical consequence from that decision per se. The only reason it exists in the first place is to set up the conversation for DA 4.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 28, 2018 3:45:43 GMT
That does beg the question: will the possession be like SAM, an aide and guide, or like Venom who can hijack the PC? Do we know SAM isn’t interfering? If you stick an AI that’s smarter than you inside your head, you’re pretty much accepting that they’re in control. They can access and filter all the information you need (including translating all your communications with other species — better hope they desire to be equally diplomatic), they can fiddle with your thoughts and emotions, they can make incredibly long-range plans, and they can back themselves up so they’ll survive your death. Sure, it may be inconvenient for the AI if you die, but that’s not likely to be their primary concern. Andromeda established its a might more then an inconvenience...but is that why my Ryder went for Cora? Dun...dun...dun!!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 3:49:23 GMT
Hopefully it is there because the Inquisitor is returning as the protagonist. Bioware’s past actions made it so that I don’t trust any other option to accurately reflect them. I understand why some people want their inquisitor back. I'm pretty attached to mine and her story... But I'm hoping for all new protagonist and squad. I love my Herah but her time is done. Let someone else save the world. Again. new heroes, new squad, new lore. imo, it doesn't matter who stops Solas as long as the kill/redeem choices from Trespasser are respected by the story. Possibly the new protagonist gets a redeem option if the inquisitor chose it in Trespasser while the stop at all costs choice gets no such option. BioWare can do all that new story stuff in DA5. First I want them to fix the mess they made with that awful Trespasser DLC. If that was the end of the Inquisitor’s story as protagonist, then congratulations BioWare you managed to make something that ruined two games and a protagonist with one DLC.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 28, 2018 3:49:59 GMT
Do we know SAM isn’t interfering? If you stick an AI that’s smarter than you inside your head, you’re pretty much accepting that they’re in control. They can access and filter all the information you need (including translating all your communications with other species — better hope they desire to be equally diplomatic), they can fiddle with your thoughts and emotions, they can make incredibly long-range plans, and they can back themselves up so they’ll survive your death. Sure, it may be inconvenient for the AI if you die, but that’s not likely to be their primary concern. Andromeda established its a might more then an inconvenience...but is that why my Ryder went for Cora? Dun...dun...dun!!! My Ryder went for Vetra bc she's thirsty for tol turians. I can't foist the blame on SAM. 👀
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 3:51:37 GMT
well I'm just trying to think why the save/kill option is there. It has to matter in DA4 in some way. Maybe a hidden point system like the Quirian/Geth conflict. Or the inquisitor's choice influences it, idk. I don't care much beyond stopping Solas. I don't think there will be any mechanical consequence from that decision per se. The only reason it exists in the first place is to set up the conversation for DA 4. Ifwe are someone new, guarantee that the stop/save choice will determine the abysmal NPCitor and the remain/disband choice will determine the Inquisition’s success in helping.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 28, 2018 4:01:06 GMT
I understand why some people want their inquisitor back. I'm pretty attached to mine and her story... But I'm hoping for all new protagonist and squad. I love my Herah but her time is done. Let someone else save the world. Again. new heroes, new squad, new lore. imo, it doesn't matter who stops Solas as long as the kill/redeem choices from Trespasser are respected by the story. Possibly the new protagonist gets a redeem option if the inquisitor chose it in Trespasser while the stop at all costs choice gets no such option. BioWare can do all that new story stuff in DA5. First I want them to fix the mess they made with that awful Trespasser DLC. If that was the end of the Inquisitor’s story as protagonist, then congratulations BioWare you managed to make something that ruined two games and a protagonist with one DLC. Maybe the inquisitor is planned to be playable in some way. Patrick Weekes tweeted this some time back when someone asked about Solas taking the inquisitor's hand. Not the hand -- plenty of amputee heroes. We took the Mark to make it clear that rift-closing was finished.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Dec 28, 2018 4:06:15 GMT
It has to be the Inquisitor. Someone else might get it wrong.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 28, 2018 4:06:46 GMT
Do we know SAM isn’t interfering? If you stick an AI that’s smarter than you inside your head, you’re pretty much accepting that they’re in control. They can access and filter all the information you need (including translating all your communications with other species — better hope they desire to be equally diplomatic), they can fiddle with your thoughts and emotions, they can make incredibly long-range plans, and they can back themselves up so they’ll survive your death. Sure, it may be inconvenient for the AI if you die, but that’s not likely to be their primary concern. Andromeda established its a might more then an inconvenience...but is that why my Ryder went for Cora? Dun...dun...dun!!! Honestly, I think most fictional AIs would have sound motivations to avoid human death. It’s... really unsubtle, for one thing, and if surviving humans are suspicious, you now have that fight to deal with. Plus, people maintain your hardware. Subtle manipulation, though? Now that’s something AIs could be really good at.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 4:15:03 GMT
BioWare can do all that new story stuff in DA5. First I want them to fix the mess they made with that awful Trespasser DLC. If that was the end of the Inquisitor’s story as protagonist, then congratulations BioWare you managed to make something that ruined two games and a protagonist with one DLC. Maybe the inquisitor is planned to be playable in some way. Patrick Weekes tweeted this some time back when someone asked about Solas taking the inquisitor's hand. Not the hand -- plenty of amputee heroes. We took the Mark to make it clear that rift-closing was finished.Hey, that’s my tweet. That’s what began my hope for the Inquisitor returning.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 4:25:35 GMT
BioWare can do all that new story stuff in DA5. First I want them to fix the mess they made with that awful Trespasser DLC. If that was the end of the Inquisitor’s story as protagonist, then congratulations BioWare you managed to make something that ruined two games and a protagonist with one DLC. Maybe the inquisitor is planned to be playable in some way. Patrick Weekes tweeted this some time back when someone asked about Solas taking the inquisitor's hand. Not the hand -- plenty of amputee heroes. We took the Mark to make it clear that rift-closing was finished.That's interesting. I read that more as "Hey remember that game mechanic that was all over DA:I? Well don't worry. Since the hero who could do that lost his/her arm, it's not happening in any future games with future heroes." But I suppose it could also be read as, "Hey remember how the hero lost his/her hand? We did it to put "rift closing" to bed, but don't worry that this will stop the hero going forward."
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 28, 2018 4:29:16 GMT
Maybe the inquisitor is planned to be playable in some way. Patrick Weekes tweeted this some time back when someone asked about Solas taking the inquisitor's hand. Not the hand -- plenty of amputee heroes. We took the Mark to make it clear that rift-closing was finished.That's interesting. I read that more as "Hey remember that game mechanic that was all over DA:I? Well don't worry. Since the hero who could do that lost his/her arm, it's not happening in any future games with future heroes." But I suppose it could also be read as, "Hey remember how the hero lost his/her hand? We did it to put "rift closing" to bed, but don't worry that this will stop the hero going forward." It could be read the first way, true. I don't want my inquisitor to be the protagonist but I know some do. Especially a lot of Solasmancers in my experience.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Dec 28, 2018 10:32:14 GMT
You can close tears in the Veil in previous games without the Mark. [ 1] But how can you close tears in the Veil when there is no Veil to close?, unless you're planning on recreating the Veil.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 10:57:48 GMT
Someone already pointed out that continueing as the inquisitor makes very little sense, not necessarily from a story perspective but because of a gameplay perspective which could eventually develope into a story not making sense.
Also, I fret to think what my Inquisitor would do with his bow and arrows with a missing arm, it can't be easy firing that off.
The story in DA:IT implied that the Inquisition would look for allies in a land where Solas might not know many, the Tevinter Imperium, a new protagonist not the Inquisitor makes perfect sense here, because it'd make more sense for the Inquisition to befriend a few in the Tevinter Imperium (Dorian and the new protagonist, or the new protagonist is a friend of Dorian, perhaps) who will then work towards building up an "Inquisition branch" within the Tevinter Imperium.
People fear that the confrontation with Solas does not go the way they'd expect their inquisitor to respond, but honestly, none of the dialogues you choose will be 100% what you'd expect. You made the choice at the end of 'Tresspasser' in determining how your Inquisitor could possibly respond in the confrontation with Solas.
You either chose a possibly far more diplomatic route where your Inquisitor would try and talk Solas out of it, or you chose a route where your Inquisitor would go as far as to kill Solas to stop him, the interraction is pretty simple.
A new protagonist is the only sensible choice... from a RPG gameplay perspective, you can't start as the character who already have EVERYTHING in the beginning.
I personally had no problem with how Hawke, as an example, were as a character in DA:I, but I also did not consider him to specialize in blood magic, but Hawke did see the "full extend" of blood magic during the ending of DA2, so his/her views on it are very much justified.
A Hawke who specialized in blood magic and their views on it in DA:I is not necessarily a problem with Hawke being in DA:I, blood magic as a specialization has always been a problem to have in game due to the obvious consequences it should have considering the lore of the games, which the games obviously can not enforce onto you because that'd mean the game is pretty much over for you.
We could possibly see a return of Blood Magic in DA:TDWR if Tevinter Imperium... possibly, but I would rather Bioware stick to NOT having blood magic as an option because there are so many implied consequences to Blood Magic in general.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 28, 2018 21:08:33 GMT
I was thinking about this some more. It's no secret I prefer a new protagonist. The end of Trespasser agreed. First, the Inquisitor outright says his/her days of adventuring are over. Second, Leliana mentions that Solas knows everything about how they operate. The Inquisitor says that they need to find someone new that Solas doesn't know. That means we'd get a new protagonist who works for the Inquisition, which is exactly the choice I made in this poll.
EDIT: I would not remove the Inquisitor from the game. If you chose to try to redeem Solas, it could change things. Solas even says he would love to be proven wrong. This is where the Inquisitor might play a vital role. Similarly, an Inquisitor who wants Solas dead could serve to make him see how he managed to turn a trusted friend against him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 21:28:03 GMT
First, the Inquisitor outright says his/her days of adventuring are over. Not all Inquisitors say that. Some at that moment instead say they are off to save the world...again.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 21:39:09 GMT
First, the Inquisitor outright says his/her days of adventuring are over. Not all Inquisitors say that. Some at that moment instead say they are off to save the world...again. The general ending remains the same though, when it is explained that Solas knows how the Inquisiton operates, who, what etc etc and the Inquisitor then says that they just find someone else then and stabs the map.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 21:51:33 GMT
Not all Inquisitors say that. Some at that moment instead say they are off to save the world...again. The general ending remains the same though, when it is explained that Solas knows how the Inquisiton operates, who, what etc etc and the Inquisitor then says that they just find someone else then and stabs the map. For many people that just means a new roster of companions.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 21:54:56 GMT
The general ending remains the same though, when it is explained that Solas knows how the Inquisiton operates, who, what etc etc and the Inquisitor then says that they just find someone else then and stabs the map. For many people that just means a new roster of companions. That could very well be too. But yet again, that leads us to Solas still knowing how the Inquisition would operate, Solas would know what people to keep track off. The Inquisition finding an unknown variable is by far the best strategy.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 21:58:47 GMT
For many people that just means a new roster of companions. That could very well be too. But yet again, that leads us to Solas still knowing how the Inquisition would operate, Solas would know what people to keep track off. The Inquisition finding an unknown variable is by far the best strategy. Solas is a Dreamer. He’ll know everyone that well. If we play a new PC we interfere with his plans once he’ll look into us and we’ll be no better off. Meanwhile the Inquisitor knows more about him than anyone else so is the best choice to oppose him.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 28, 2018 22:04:17 GMT
That could very well be too. But yet again, that leads us to Solas still knowing how the Inquisition would operate, Solas would know what people to keep track off. The Inquisition finding an unknown variable is by far the best strategy. Solas is a Dreamer. He’ll know everyone that well. If we play a new PC we interfere with his plans once he’ll look into us and we’ll be no better off. Meanwhile the Inquisitor knows more about him than anyone else so is the best choice to oppose him. It seems the Inquisitor who knows so much about Solas implies that Solas would know very little of what is going on in Tevinter. I don't see why Solas being a Dreamer is relevant though, any information Solas could possibly get out of spirits is not exactly 100% accurate all the time if at all.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 28, 2018 22:05:13 GMT
*looks at NPC Revan, NPC Exile, and NPC Hawke* Uh huh, sure we don’t. only played one of those and my Hawke was more or less...my Hawke (though we've had this conversation) BioWare never attempted to make Revan or Exile as anyone's Revan or Exile, there was no imported options that went into SWTOR, they just chose a canon world state and went with that as they were making an MMO. So I don't know why it would be applicable to DA4 as it's not like they were attempting to do anyone's Revan or Exile, they picked the world/story, there were no imported options like what influenced Hawke. Revan and the Exile are the opposite of BioWare trying to reflect peopl'es choices of their protag onto an NPC, they never attempted that and it was pretty clear they weren't doing that as well.
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