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Post by Absafraginlootly on Dec 28, 2018 23:08:32 GMT
Sounds like the da4 protagonist should be dwarf-only - since they're the only ones immune to dream manipulation ![:whistle:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/KsWEGtwHLHUtTuiWt0OV.png) That or the ability to find a specific individual dreaming in the fade is much more difficult than that. Whether the difficulty increases or decreases depending on whether you know the person personally, or if you enter the fade close/far from their sleeping body, is unknown. We just don't we really have any details on how dreamers work exactly.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 28, 2018 23:09:53 GMT
By this definition, they should never make books or comics of any of the franchises cus they have to do a canon state to do them. They wouldn't have been able to make SWTOR without picking a canon state of the galaxy, which would assume Revan and Exile choices and who they are any way. No tears shed here about no SWTOR. I agree what they did to Revan, and later expansions were lacking in my eyes. But I enjoyed all of the first Class story arcs.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 28, 2018 23:13:05 GMT
Sounds like the da4 protagonist should be dwarf-only - since they're the only ones immune to dream manipulation ![:whistle:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/KsWEGtwHLHUtTuiWt0OV.png) That or the ability to find a specific individual dreaming in the fade is much more difficult than that. Whether the difficulty increases or decreases depending on whether you know the person personally, or if you enter the fade close/far from their sleeping body, is unknown. We just don't we really have any details on how dreamers work exactly. We do know that Solas is able to get in the dreams of a romanced Inky cus Solas appears in their dreams in the slides of Trespasser ending. And Felessan deleberately goes into the fade to encounter Solas. I get the feeling there has to be some connection between the people to enter their dreams but we do have a lot of gaps in our knowledge about dreamers.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 28, 2018 23:18:17 GMT
No tears shed here about no SWTOR. I agree what they did to Revan, and later expansions were lacking in my eyes. But I enjoyed all of the first Class story arcs. What did you think of the KOTFE and KOTET expansions? I actually really enjoyed them - thought Valkorian was really well done and actually think that if they were going to make us have a spirit with out protag in DA4, I would like it being done like that.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 28, 2018 23:22:12 GMT
I agree what they did to Revan, and later expansions were lacking in my eyes. But I enjoyed all of the first Class story arcs. What did you think of the KOTFE and KOTET expansions? I actually really enjoyed them - thought Valkorian was really well done and actually think that if they were going to make us have a spirit with out protag in DA4, I would like it being done like that. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 4.900000000000006px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_46737567" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65568058" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_14924660" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_38510693" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> I did not like how all of the class stories were merged into to Outlander. I would have preferred new tales unique to each Hero, even if it was just a few.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 28, 2018 23:26:20 GMT
What did you think of the KOTFE and KOTET expansions? I actually really enjoyed them - thought Valkorian was really well done and actually think that if they were going to make us have a spirit with out protag in DA4, I would like it being done like that. <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.960000000000036px; height: 4.900000000000006px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_46737567" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_65568058" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_14924660" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> <iframe style="position: absolute; width: 23.96px; height: 4.9px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1138px; top: 184px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_38510693" scrolling="no" width="23.960000000000036" height="4.900000000000006"></iframe> I did not like how all of the class stories were merged into to Outlander. I would have preferred new tales unique to each Hero, even if it was just a few. I don't think that was ever an option tbh. I like how there were nods to our classes and our decisions. Though they do seem to be going back to separate storyline for Empire and Republic in the next expansion.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 28, 2018 23:28:43 GMT
What did you think of the KOTFE and KOTET expansions? I actually really enjoyed them - thought Valkorian was really well done and actually think that if they were going to make us have a spirit with out protag in DA4, I would like it being done like that. < I did not like how all of the class stories were merged into to Outlander. I would have preferred new tales unique to each Hero, even if it was just a few. Going from Emperor's Wrath to the chump outlander taking orders from Lana and Theron was a let down, to say the least.
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Post by rras1994 on Dec 28, 2018 23:33:39 GMT
< I did not like how all of the class stories were merged into to Outlander. I would have preferred new tales unique to each Hero, even if it was just a few. Going from Emperor's Wrath to the chump outlander taking orders from Lana and Theron was a let down, to say the least. I mean, I played the same class and thought it was fine. I went from being used by Baras, to being used by the Emperor, to being used by the Emperor/Valkorian, and didn't feel overly ordered by Lana/Theron (I felt more orderd by them in the SOR expansion but feel like they could do with a rest as being used soon). My Warrior just wants to settle down with Quinn far away from anyone at this moment. But will continue fighting "For the Empire" of course.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 28, 2018 23:36:40 GMT
What mess of the HoF’s did Hawke have to clean up? Anders, duh. Eh, I don’t think that counts. Anders only becomes an issue after the events of the game. Plus not all Wardens are alive so those ones left no ess that Hawke cleans up.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 28, 2018 23:57:02 GMT
Going from Emperor's Wrath to the chump outlander taking orders from Lana and Theron was a let down, to say the least. I mean, I played the same class and thought it was fine. I went from being used by Baras, to being used by the Emperor, to being used by the Emperor/Valkorian, and didn't feel overly ordered by Lana/Theron (I felt more orderd by them in the SOR expansion but feel like they could do with a rest as being used soon). My Warrior just wants to settle down with Quinn far away from anyone at this moment. But will continue fighting "For the Empire" of course. My experience was totally different. I wasn't used by Baras, I defied his orders at every turn. the class story allowed me to screw Baras over repeatedly, and then: "I was never, nor shall I ever be, your slave" But KOTFE/KOTET, Lana and Theron made the decisions and the commander was along for the ride. And it wasn't just them. I felt my Wrath lost her agency. even if I made a decision, or clear choice on my Dark Side Wrath it was immediately disregarded. Not even the illusion of choice. my Dark Side jugg, commander of the alliance - - we are going to B. I think B is best, let's do that. Lana - - nope, it's going to be C. Theron and I decided C is our best option. My chump commander - - does whatever she's told. no argument or debate. my jugg ::Dark Side Choice:: - - let's escape while they are focused on the civilians. Aric Jorgan - - no. we are saving them. my jugg - - follows along doing whatever Aric says. I still enjoyed KOTFE and KOTET but I'm glad the Lana and Theron show is over even though I like them both. and also Malavai Quinn But I don't want to derail this thread. suffice it to say I enjoyed the expansions but i'm so glad to be back in emp vs pub.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 0:36:17 GMT
That could very well be too. But yet again, that leads us to Solas still knowing how the Inquisition would operate, Solas would know what people to keep track off. The Inquisition finding an unknown variable is by far the best strategy. Solas is a Dreamer. He’ll know everyone that well. If we play a new PC we interfere with his plans once he’ll look into us and we’ll be no better off. Meanwhile the Inquisitor knows more about him than anyone else so is the best choice to oppose him. Yet, the Inquisitor remains with only one arm. You'd have to write off pretty much anything but mage and even that's iffy. The Inquisitor is useless as a rogue (archer or not) and warrior. This is, of course, the main flaw in reusing the Inquisitor as the protagonist. The need for the continuation of the Inquisitor as the protagonist is very similar to those who can't let go of Shepard in ME.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 29, 2018 0:43:39 GMT
Solas is a Dreamer. He’ll know everyone that well. If we play a new PC we interfere with his plans once he’ll look into us and we’ll be no better off. Meanwhile the Inquisitor knows more about him than anyone else so is the best choice to oppose him. Yet, the Inquisitor remains with only one arm. You'd have to write off pretty much anything but mage and even that's iffy. The Inquisitor is useless as a rogue (archer or not) and warrior. This is, of course, the main flaw in reusing the Inquisitor as the protagonist. The need for the continuation of the Inquisitor as the protagonist is very similar to those who can't let go of Shepard in ME. Surprisingly. Letting go of any protagonist in Dragon Age should be easy enough because in every single title we have had someone different. I would very much assume this would be a constant in future titles too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 0:45:17 GMT
Solas is a Dreamer. He’ll know everyone that well. If we play a new PC we interfere with his plans once he’ll look into us and we’ll be no better off. Meanwhile the Inquisitor knows more about him than anyone else so is the best choice to oppose him. Yet, the Inquisitor remains with only one arm. You'd have to write off pretty much anything but mage and even that's iffy. The Inquisitor is useless as a rogue (archer or not) and warrior. This is, of course, the main flaw in reusing the Inquisitor as the protagonist. The need for the continuation of the Inquisitor as the protagonist is very similar to those who can't let go of Shepard in ME. Prosthetic arm. Bioware’s already considered it, It wouldn’t be out of place all things considered, and explains why were level 1 again. No, it’s not the same as Shepard. Shepard’s story was finished in ME3, while Trespasser left the Inquisitor’s story unresolved since it started a new one.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 29, 2018 0:47:01 GMT
Yet, the Inquisitor remains with only one arm. You'd have to write off pretty much anything but mage and even that's iffy. The Inquisitor is useless as a rogue (archer or not) and warrior. This is, of course, the main flaw in reusing the Inquisitor as the protagonist. The need for the continuation of the Inquisitor as the protagonist is very similar to those who can't let go of Shepard in ME. Prosthetic arm. Bioware’s already considered it, It wouldn’t be out of place all things considered, and explains why were level 1 again. No, it’s not the same as Shepard. Shepard’s story was finished in ME3, while Trespasser left the Inquisitor’s story unresolved since it started a new one. There is still the thing with resources. And imagine if the Inquisition isn't even disbanded, it now has chantry support! The Inquisiton is now more powerful than ever. And the inqusiitor has some piss poor weaponry. Great. With how the story went in DA:I From a RPG game perspective, it makes very little sense to continue with the Inquisitor.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 0:55:30 GMT
Prosthetic arm. Bioware’s already considered it, It wouldn’t be out of place all things considered, and explains why were level 1 again. No, it’s not the same as Shepard. Shepard’s story was finished in ME3, while Trespasser left the Inquisitor’s story unresolved since it started a new one. There is still the thing with resources. And imagine if the Inquisition isn't even disbanded, it now has chantry support! The Inquisiton is now more powerful than ever. And the inqusiitor has some piss poor weaponry. Great. With how the story went in DA:I From a RPG game perspective, it makes very little sense to continue with the Inquisitor. If the Inquisition isn’t disbanded, then the public one acts as a front and can support the true secret Inquisition putting it similar to a disbanded Inquisition. From a RPG game perspective it makes no sense whatsoever to go with anybody but the Inquisitor.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 0:58:30 GMT
Yet, the Inquisitor remains with only one arm. You'd have to write off pretty much anything but mage and even that's iffy. The Inquisitor is useless as a rogue (archer or not) and warrior. This is, of course, the main flaw in reusing the Inquisitor as the protagonist. The need for the continuation of the Inquisitor as the protagonist is very similar to those who can't let go of Shepard in ME. Prosthetic arm. Bioware’s already considered it, It wouldn’t be out of place all things considered, and explains why were level 1 again. No, it’s not the same as Shepard. Shepard’s story was finished in ME3, while Trespasser left the Inquisitor’s story unresolved since it started a new one. You say Shepard's story is finished. Others disagree.
True, the Inquisitor is going to factor into DA4 but there's no reason he/she needs to be central. Leliana was a DAO companion. She appeared in DAI but not as a playable character. Hawke was the PC in DA2. He/she reappeared in DAI but not as a playable character. Other than the need to hang on to a protagonist that's liked, there's no reason not to move on to the next one.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 1:00:42 GMT
Prosthetic arm. Bioware’s already considered it, It wouldn’t be out of place all things considered, and explains why were level 1 again. No, it’s not the same as Shepard. Shepard’s story was finished in ME3, while Trespasser left the Inquisitor’s story unresolved since it started a new one. You say Shepard's story is finished. Others disagree.
True, the Inquisitor is going to factor into DA4 but there's no reason he/she needs to be central. Leliana was a DAO companion. She appeared in DAI but not as a playable character. Hawke was the PC in DA2. He/she reappeared in DAI but not as a playable character. Other than the need to hang on to a protagonist that's liked, there's no reason not to move on to the next one.
There are plenty of reasons. For starters it creates a different story than with a new character where it would be another “ ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own”.
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Post by cankiie on Dec 29, 2018 1:00:50 GMT
There is still the thing with resources. And imagine if the Inquisition isn't even disbanded, it now has chantry support! The Inquisiton is now more powerful than ever. And the inqusiitor has some piss poor weaponry. Great. With how the story went in DA:I From a RPG game perspective, it makes very little sense to continue with the Inquisitor. If the Inquisition isn’t disbanded, then the public one acts as a front and can support the true secret Inquisition putting it similar to a disbanded Inquisition. From a RPG game perspective it makes no sense whatsoever to go with anybody but the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor in both cases would still have access to high quality gear at the beginning of the game. It just does not work for a RPG. Unless the Inquisitor goes to Tevinter all alone on a ship, the ship is blown up and the Inquisitor loses everything... wait, I remember that story, isn't that mass effect 2? Kinda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 1:02:53 GMT
If the Inquisition isn’t disbanded, then the public one acts as a front and can support the true secret Inquisition putting it similar to a disbanded Inquisition. From a RPG game perspective it makes no sense whatsoever to go with anybody but the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor in both cases would still have access to high quality gear at the beginning of the game. It just does not work for a RPG. Unless the Inquisitor goes to Tevinter all alone on a ship, the ship is blown up and the Inquisitor loses everything... wait, I remember that story, isn't that mass effect 2? Kinda. Not if they are trying to keep a low profile. Plus gameplay-lore segregation. I assume Mass Effect didn’t work as a RPG either since in 2 and 3 despite being sequels you started with lower quality weapons?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 1:11:58 GMT
You say Shepard's story is finished. Others disagree.
True, the Inquisitor is going to factor into DA4 but there's no reason he/she needs to be central. Leliana was a DAO companion. She appeared in DAI but not as a playable character. Hawke was the PC in DA2. He/she reappeared in DAI but not as a playable character. Other than the need to hang on to a protagonist that's liked, there's no reason not to move on to the next one.
There are plenty of reasons. For starters it creates a different story than with a new character where it would be another “ ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own”. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. The DA4 story is "ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own". The major threat is Solas and the location is Tevinter. In fact, using a different protagonist does give a different story than the one we already know. A new protagonist has a different background, a different series of events in life that shape his/her life. The Inquisitor is fully known and there's nothing new to discover about him/her.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 1:15:19 GMT
There are plenty of reasons. For starters it creates a different story than with a new character where it would be another “ ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own”. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. The DA4 story is "ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own". The major threat is Solas and the location is Tevinter. In fact, using a different protagonist does give a different story than the one we already know. A new protagonist has a different background, a different series of events in life that shape his/her life. The Inquisitor is fully known and there's nothing new to discover about him/her. Im saying that for example that the Inquisitor and Solas have an unique protagonist/antagonist relationship that adds more potential and nuance to the story, whereas with a new PC Solas becomes Corypheus 2.0.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 29, 2018 1:16:53 GMT
There are plenty of reasons. For starters it creates a different story than with a new character where it would be another “ ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own”. I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. The DA4 story is "ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own". The major threat is Solas and the location is Tevinter. In fact, using a different protagonist does give a different story than the one we already know. A new protagonist has a different background, a different series of events in life that shape his/her life. The Inquisitor is fully known and there's nothing new to discover about him/her. Not to mention the Inquisitor mirrors Solas because they are both 'revolutionaries who gave so much to their cause that they are now known by a title, instead of their name. IE the Inquisitor and Fen'Harel.' With a new protgonist that protagonist could mirror Solas by say their...need for redemption. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png)
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 1:23:52 GMT
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. The DA4 story is "ancient mage tries to destroy the world to recreate their own". The major threat is Solas and the location is Tevinter. In fact, using a different protagonist does give a different story than the one we already know. A new protagonist has a different background, a different series of events in life that shape his/her life. The Inquisitor is fully known and there's nothing new to discover about him/her. Im saying that for example that the Inquisitor and Solas have an unique protagonist/antagonist relationship that adds more potential and nuance to the story, whereas with a new PC Solas becomes Corypheus 2.0. I still think the Inquisitor should play a role. As should Cullen, Leliana, Cassandra, Harding and Cole (he went in the Fade because he thought he'd be more useful there). I just don't think it's necessary for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist.
I do see where you're coming from. Solas welcomes the idea of the Inquisitor proving him wrong. Reality is that such a confrontation wouldn't come until near the end of the game. The new protagonist could be the one to open the path allowing the Inquisitor to get to Solas. Even so, the Solas/Inquisitor relationship really only works if you're setting out to redeem him. If it's to kill him, anyone will do.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Dec 29, 2018 1:29:38 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/BBCpsoiIHmyzmblpikow.png)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 1:35:49 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/BBCpsoiIHmyzmblpikow.png) Yeah, I’d like to know if I’m wasting my time waiting for this game or not.
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