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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 1:40:38 GMT
Im saying that for example that the Inquisitor and Solas have an unique protagonist/antagonist relationship that adds more potential and nuance to the story, whereas with a new PC Solas becomes Corypheus 2.0. I still think the Inquisitor should play a role. As should Cullen, Leliana, Cassandra, Harding and Cole (he went in the Fade because he thought he'd be more useful there). I just don't think it's necessary for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist.
I do see where you're coming from. Solas welcomes the idea of the Inquisitor proving him wrong. Reality is that such a confrontation wouldn't come until near the end of the game. The new protagonist could be the one to open the path allowing the Inquisitor to get to Solas. Even so, the Solas/Inquisitor relationship really only works if you're setting out to redeem him. If it's to kill him, anyone will do.
I could see that confrontation being midgame if the Evanuris escape since they’d be later game. I disagree that it only works with Redeem. I’ve only chosen Stop him and I see a lot they could do with it either way.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 29, 2018 1:42:39 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/BBCpsoiIHmyzmblpikow.png) We'll likely be waiting till release to find out for sure.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 1:43:42 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/BBCpsoiIHmyzmblpikow.png) We'll likely be waiting till release to find out for sure. Not that long. They’ll have to show some gameplay before release.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 29, 2018 1:47:26 GMT
We'll likely be waiting till release to find out for sure. Not that long. They’ll have to show some gameplay before release. Yeah but that does not have to answer anything. I mean it could answer it one hundred percent definitively if the Inquisitor is the protag but otherwise I highly doubt BioWare will give a definitive answer.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Dec 29, 2018 1:55:02 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/ibadqJuGjBCmBUNwIsLx.png) We'll likely be waiting till release to find out for sure. With previous games we've known who the protagonist is before we knew practically anything else. They were quite keen to show off the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor so I imagine they'll tell us if we're getting a new protagonist or keeping the Inquisitor sooner rather than later.
I'd be surprised if we didn't know by the end of 2019, assuming the game is out in 2020/2021. (I don't expect to know much else beyond the actual title, though. Maybe further confirmation that we're going to Tevinter.)
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Post by colfoley on Dec 29, 2018 1:57:27 GMT
We'll likely be waiting till release to find out for sure. With previous games we've known who the protagonist is before we knew practically anything else. They were quite keen to show off the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor so I imagine they'll tell us if we're getting a new protagonist or keeping the Inquisitor sooner rather than later.
I'd be surprised if we didn't know by the end of 2019, assuming the game is out in 2020/2021. (I don't expect to know much else beyond the actual title, though. Maybe further confirmation that we're going to Tevinter.)
sure but if its a dual protag route...that we might not know.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 2:06:30 GMT
With previous games we've known who the protagonist is before we knew practically anything else. They were quite keen to show off the Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor so I imagine they'll tell us if we're getting a new protagonist or keeping the Inquisitor sooner rather than later.
I'd be surprised if we didn't know by the end of 2019, assuming the game is out in 2020/2021. (I don't expect to know much else beyond the actual title, though. Maybe further confirmation that we're going to Tevinter.)
sure but if its a dual protag route...that we might not know. Oh I’m certain they’d talk about it being dual protagonist if they were doing that.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 4:06:40 GMT
sure but if its a dual protag route...that we might not know. Oh I’m certain they’d talk about it being dual protagonist if they were doing that. I'd be fine with a dual protagonist but imo the new protagonist should be the one to deal with Solas' final fate. The inquisitor, especially Solasmancers, I would think, has personal bias because of their emotional investment and a new protagonist is less likely to be emotionally invested in Solas. Or at least not nearly as invested as someone who was personally betrayed/loved by him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 4:12:14 GMT
Oh I’m certain they’d talk about it being dual protagonist if they were doing that. I'd be fine with a dual protagonist but imo the new protagonist should be the one to deal with Solas' final fate. The inquisitor, especially Solasmancers, I would think, has personal bias because of their emotional investment and a new protagonist is less likely to be emotionally invested in Solas. Or at least not nearly as invested as someone who was personally betrayed/loved by him. So why should the new protagonist be the one then? After all the player would be more in line with the Inquisitor than them when it comes to investment so having it be the Inquisitor would allow it to be more fitting for both player and character.
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Post by lennybusker on Dec 29, 2018 4:26:57 GMT
As someone who is capable of distinguishing between "what I want to be true" from "what I judge to be true", this thread is hilarious. Inquisitor will not be the DA4 protagonist. I'll buy anyone their copy of DA4 if they want to bet against that. We'll say you have to delete your BSN account if you lose.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 4:32:41 GMT
I'd be fine with a dual protagonist but imo the new protagonist should be the one to deal with Solas' final fate. The inquisitor, especially Solasmancers, I would think, has personal bias because of their emotional investment and a new protagonist is less likely to be emotionally invested in Solas. Or at least not nearly as invested as someone who was personally betrayed/loved by him. So why should the new protagonist be the one then? After all the player would be more in line with the Inquisitor than them when it comes to investment so having it be the Inquisitor would allow it to be more fitting for both player and character. For the same reason a detective isn't allowed to investigate the murder of a close family member. Personal bias can cloud judgement and overcome sound reasoning. The player is more in line with the inquisitor for now, but put a new protagonist in Dragon Age means we begin to emotionally invest in them and the new followers and their personal struggles. A dual protagonist could work, but why should I invest in a new protagonist, the one doing all the leg work only for the inquisitor to come along and steal their thunder in the final confrontation. How's that gonna go? Inquisitor - - thanks for doing all the grunt work, now stand aside- I wouldn't like that at all. my vote is - - have a new protagonist or just give us the inquisitor again. Dual protagonist for this storyline could work but I think it could weaken the new protagonist, making them seem impotent with what could be the most important decision of DA4. A new protagonist is best, imo.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 4:46:18 GMT
So why should the new protagonist be the one then? After all the player would be more in line with the Inquisitor than them when it comes to investment so having it be the Inquisitor would allow it to be more fitting for both player and character. For the same reason a detective isn't allowed to investigate the murder of a close family member. Personal bias can cloud judgement and overcome sound reasoning. The player is more in line with the inquisitor for now, but put a new protagonist in Dragon Age means we begin to emotionally invest in them and the new followers and their personal struggles. A dual protagonist could work, but why should I invest in a new protagonist, the one doing all the leg work only for the inquisitor to come along and steal their thunder in the final confrontation. How's that gonna go? Inquisitor - - thanks for doing all the grunt work, now stand aside- I wouldn't like that at all. my vote is - - have a new protagonist or just give us the inquisitor again. Dual protagonist for this storyline could work but I think it could weaken the new protagonist, making them seem impotent with what could be the most important decision of DA4. A new protagonist is best, imo. Thats a false equivalence. Also if they do do dual protagonist I like most people imagine that Inquisitor handles the Solas plot while the new PC handles another plot like the Qun-Tevinter War and both help the other. That leads to both having resolutions. I do agree that it would probably be better for their to be one protagonist, my vite being the Inquisitor.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 4:55:09 GMT
For the same reason a detective isn't allowed to investigate the murder of a close family member. Personal bias can cloud judgement and overcome sound reasoning. The player is more in line with the inquisitor for now, but put a new protagonist in Dragon Age means we begin to emotionally invest in them and the new followers and their personal struggles. A dual protagonist could work, but why should I invest in a new protagonist, the one doing all the leg work only for the inquisitor to come along and steal their thunder in the final confrontation. How's that gonna go? Inquisitor - - thanks for doing all the grunt work, now stand aside- I wouldn't like that at all. my vote is - - have a new protagonist or just give us the inquisitor again. Dual protagonist for this storyline could work but I think it could weaken the new protagonist, making them seem impotent with what could be the most important decision of DA4. A new protagonist is best, imo. Thats a false equivalence. Also if they do do dual protagonist I like most people imagine that Inquisitor handles the Solas plot while the new PC handles another plot like the Qun-Tevinter War and both help the other. That leads to both having resolutions. I do agree that it would probably be better for their to be one protagonist, my vite being the Inquisitor. well imo, The inquisitor should be that last person to handle Solas because they mostly are either in love with him or hate him, but every inquisitor was betrayed by him. So just by that alone the inquisitor is less likely to make a rational decision when dealing with Solas. I mean, have you listened to Solasmancers? A new protagonist is the best way to go because it gives all of us, Solasmancers, included someone else to emotionally invest in plus the new followers. It gives some needed emotional distance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 5:01:10 GMT
Thats a false equivalence. Also if they do do dual protagonist I like most people imagine that Inquisitor handles the Solas plot while the new PC handles another plot like the Qun-Tevinter War and both help the other. That leads to both having resolutions. I do agree that it would probably be better for their to be one protagonist, my vite being the Inquisitor. well imo, The inquisitor should be that last person to handle Solas because they mostly are either in love with him or hate him, but every inquisitor was betrayed by him. So just by that alone the inquisitor is less likely to make a rational decision when dealing with Solas. I mean, have you listened to Solasmancers? A new protagonist is the best way to go because it gives all of us, Solasmancers, included someone else to emotionally invest in plus the new followers. It gives some needed emotional distance. What, pray tell, would be these rational decisions the Inquisitor couldn’t possibly make? Also by this logic they shouldn’t have dealt with Corypheus after Haven. There shouldn’t be emotional distance. Being emotional invested is something all stories should strive to create for the hero and villain of the story.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 5:12:30 GMT
well imo, The inquisitor should be that last person to handle Solas because they mostly are either in love with him or hate him, but every inquisitor was betrayed by him. So just by that alone the inquisitor is less likely to make a rational decision when dealing with Solas. I mean, have you listened to Solasmancers? A new protagonist is the best way to go because it gives all of us, Solasmancers, included someone else to emotionally invest in plus the new followers. It gives some needed emotional distance. What, pray tell, would be these rational decisions the Inquisitor couldn’t possibly make? Also by this logic they shouldn’t have dealt with Corypheus after Haven. There shouldn’t be emotional distance. Being emotional invested is something all stories should strive to create for the hero and villain of the story. The inquisitor didn't have a personal relationship with Corypheus. In my own experience with people in general the more personal the betrayal the less likely a person is to be rational. That goes the same for love/hate. Emotional investment is key, I agree. I think our disagreement is to whom we should be emotionally invested in DA4 with regards to protagonists. I vote new protagonist because I don't want to walk in the inquisitors boots again. I want to become emotionally invested in someone new and their friends. I want to see Tevinter or whereever we go through their eyes. I have already experienced Thedas through the inquisitor's eyes. I don't have any desire to do it again.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 5:16:41 GMT
What, pray tell, would be these rational decisions the Inquisitor couldn’t possibly make? Also by this logic they shouldn’t have dealt with Corypheus after Haven. There shouldn’t be emotional distance. Being emotional invested is something all stories should strive to create for the hero and villain of the story. The inquisitor didn't have a personal relationship with Corypheus. In my own experience with people in general the more personal the betrayal the less likely a person is to be rational. That goes the same for love/hate. Emotional investment is key, I agree. I think our disagreement is to whom we should be emotionally invested in DA4 with regards to protagonists. I vote new protagonist because I don't want to walk in the inquisitors boots again. I want to become emotionally invested in someone new and their friends. I want to see Tevinter or whereever we go through their eyes. I have already experienced Thedas through the inquisitor's eyes. I don't have any desire to do it again. You didn’t answer my question. What rational decisions could be made by a new protagonist but not the Inquisitor? I disagree with you. There are many stories where the protagonist managed to make a rational choice. For example Luke in Star Wars, despite all the emotions behind what the Empire, Vader, and Palpatine did to him. He shouldn’t have just let some random Rebel do it after he learned everything. Ah, so there it is. You just don’t want to play as them. What I want is the best story possible, and that exists with the protagonist being the Inquisitor again. When DAI ended I was perfectly content with having a new protagonist, but then Trespasser happened which I did the ending by starting a new story off the bones of the old.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 5:27:29 GMT
The inquisitor didn't have a personal relationship with Corypheus. In my own experience with people in general the more personal the betrayal the less likely a person is to be rational. That goes the same for love/hate. Emotional investment is key, I agree. I think our disagreement is to whom we should be emotionally invested in DA4 with regards to protagonists. I vote new protagonist because I don't want to walk in the inquisitors boots again. I want to become emotionally invested in someone new and their friends. I want to see Tevinter or whereever we go through their eyes. I have already experienced Thedas through the inquisitor's eyes. I don't have any desire to do it again. You didn’t answer my question. What rational decisions could be made by a new protagonist but not the Inquisitor? Ah, so there it is. You just don’t want to play as them. What I want is the best story possible, and that exists with the protagonist being the Inquisitor again. When DAI ended I was perfectly content with having a new protagonist, but then Trespasser happened which I did the ending by starting a new story off the bones of the old. Sorry, I thought I did answer your question. I apologize it you felt I ignored it. i'll try again. The inquisitor had a personal relationship with Solas. Due to this personal relationship they are far more likely to have tunnel vision and only care about saving or killing him. A new protagonist has no such emotional entanglement with Solas and is far more likely to be unbiased when dealing with Solas. I was emotionally invested in my warden I was emotionally invested in my Hawke I was emotionally invested in my inquisitor I will be emotionally invested in New Protagonist Dragon Age has always had a new protagonist each game, I don't see any reason for the inquisitor to return as the DA4 protagonist. there's nothing that needs doing with Solas that requires the inquisitor to be playable. of course this is all just imo.
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Post by melbella on Dec 29, 2018 5:35:36 GMT
How's that gonna go? Inquisitor - - thanks for doing all the grunt work, now stand aside- But this is exactly what you are arguing for the other way around. The Inquisitor went through everything with Solas, so they should just stand aside and let someone else finish the job? I don't think so.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 29, 2018 5:41:47 GMT
You didn’t answer my question. What rational decisions could be made by a new protagonist but not the Inquisitor? Ah, so there it is. You just don’t want to play as them. What I want is the best story possible, and that exists with the protagonist being the Inquisitor again. When DAI ended I was perfectly content with having a new protagonist, but then Trespasser happened which I did the ending by starting a new story off the bones of the old. Sorry, I thought I did answer your question. I apologize it you felt I ignored it. i'll try again. The inquisitor had a personal relationship with Solas. Due to this personal relationship they are far more likely to have tunnel vision and only care about saving or killing him. A new protagonist has no such emotional entanglement with Solas and is far more likely to be unbiased when dealing with Solas. I was emotionally invested in my warden I was emotionally invested in my Hawke I was emotionally invested in my inquisitor I will be emotionally invested in New Protagonist Dragon Age has always had a new protagonist each game, I don't see any reason for the inquisitor to return as the DA4 protagonist. there's nothing that needs doing with Solas that requires the inquisitor to be playable. of course this is all just imo. That still doesn’t really answer the question, though I appreciate you trying so thank you. You’re saying they can’t make the rational decisions a new protagonist can, but won’t elaborate on what those rational decisions would be. As for the last part, I cannot disagree more.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 5:43:57 GMT
How's that gonna go? Inquisitor - - thanks for doing all the grunt work, now stand aside- But this is exactly what you are arguing for the other way around. The Inquisitor went through everything with Solas, so they should just stand aside and let someone else finish the job? I don't think so. and there's the rub because this is a legitimate point tbh. Maybe have Solas dealt with early enough in game and the real threat, then end boss if you will be the actual end game. perhaps a redeemed Solas helps, idk. So maybe the inquisitor and New Protagonist work together to deal with Solas, exit Inquisitor stage left, then New Protagonist deals with the end goal. I'm on tenter-hooks to see what they have planned with the DA4 protagonist.
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Post by melbella on Dec 29, 2018 5:46:34 GMT
A new protagonist has no such emotional entanglement with Solas and is far more likely to be unbiased when dealing with Solas. Except, the player is still the one in control. I don't want to know more about Solas and what's going on than my character does. Trespasser was bad enough in that regard, since I already knew he was Fen'harel but my Inquisitors didn't until the very end. I sure as hell don't want to play an entire game where I know that fact (plus a whole lot more) but my PC doesn't. Save that shite for 2d+ PTs but leave the first one alone.
Edit: wtf happened with that quote?! Ugh, that wasn't Hanako I quoted, it was nina. Sorry!
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 5:51:22 GMT
Sorry, I thought I did answer your question. I apologize it you felt I ignored it. i'll try again. The inquisitor had a personal relationship with Solas. Due to this personal relationship they are far more likely to have tunnel vision and only care about saving or killing him. A new protagonist has no such emotional entanglement with Solas and is far more likely to be unbiased when dealing with Solas. I was emotionally invested in my warden I was emotionally invested in my Hawke I was emotionally invested in my inquisitor I will be emotionally invested in New Protagonist Dragon Age has always had a new protagonist each game, I don't see any reason for the inquisitor to return as the DA4 protagonist. there's nothing that needs doing with Solas that requires the inquisitor to be playable. of course this is all just imo. That still doesn’t really answer the question, though I appreciate you trying so thank you. You’re saying they can’t make the rational decisions a new protagonist can, but won’t elaborate on what those rational decisions would be. As for the last part, I cannot disagree more. no I didn't say they cant, I said they are far less likely. Something specific tbh I can't because I don't know the story for DA4. I'm only suggesting that when person B loves or hates person A, then person B is far less likely to be objective when dealing with person A. less likely to, but not unable to. that's just my experience with people. ymmv. Of course I could be completely wrong and the inquisitor is the DA4 protagonist and it's fantastic and whatnot and that's fine. I'd like a new protagonist but I'm not one hundred percent against inquisitor returning. I wish they would tell us one way or the other before DA4 comes out.
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Post by dirtydiscolux on Dec 29, 2018 5:53:56 GMT
A new protagonist has no such emotional entanglement with Solas and is far more likely to be unbiased when dealing with Solas. Except, the player is still the one in control. I don't want to know more about Solas and what's going on than my character does. Trespasser was bad enough in that regard, since I already knew he was Fen'harel but my Inquisitors didn't until the very end. I sure as hell don't want to play an entire game where I know that fact (plus a whole lot more) but my PC doesn't. Save that shite for 2d+ PTs but leave the first one alone.
Edit: wtf happened with that quote?! Ugh, that wasn't Hanako I quoted, it was nina. Sorry!
I understand this because I was a bit peeved that my Hawke was relegated to an npc when dealing with Coryphues. the problem imo is they kind of wrote the story in a way that if the inquisitor is not directly involved in some way it would be stupid. maybe not as protagonist, but surely the inquisitor needs to be in on the Solas stuff.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 29, 2018 6:51:39 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/oLxjabvXJnsoPIJRHDFL.png) It's possible they're not rushing it out so they can avoid the criticism of MEA.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Dec 29, 2018 8:54:40 GMT
I just hope that, whatever they decide to do with the protag, they announce it quickly and get it over with. The years of waiting have only made me more anxious about the whole thing. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/oLxjabvXJnsoPIJRHDFL.png) It's possible they're not rushing it out so they can avoid the criticism of MEA. Nobody could accuse the game of being "rushed" at this point, lol.
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