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Post by copper on Dec 13, 2018 23:16:46 GMT
Her surname is spelled wrong in the title. 👀 Tilani not Telani. As someone unfamiliar with the comics, how high up politically is Maevaris? If the protagonist gets to choose to ally with either Tevinter or the Qunari, could she be the faction leader for Tevinter? At least at the level to be a very influential quest giver I mean, not as the literal leader of Tevinter. In addition to what @daveliam said, Mae was also married - not officially, but might as well have been - to Varric's cousin Thorold before his assassination uh... accidental fall off a roof... and he was a representative of Orzammar and a wealthy merchant prince to boot. So she's got connections. Connections as well as very good taste, if Thorald is anything like his cousin. Thanks to everyone who responded! I was getting bits and pieces from the discussion, but having a basic summary helped too.
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Post by Starfang on Dec 14, 2018 1:58:44 GMT
There's also the inevitable twitter explosion that will erupt when the role of Mae's VA goes to someone who isn't Carmen Carrera or TS Madison.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 2:55:56 GMT
There's also the inevitable twitter explosion that will erupt when the role of Mae's VA goes to someone who isn't Carmen Carrera or TS Madison. Well considering that Jamie Clayton is already on the BioWare payroll, that might not be a problem. Now we just need Alaska Thunderfuck to coach her on a solid Mae West impression and we’re good to go.
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Post by witchcocktor on Dec 14, 2018 3:42:52 GMT
If they want to hire a trans voice actress to do Maevaris, I'm hoping it's Casey Mongillo. She is MAD talented.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 14, 2018 3:50:22 GMT
If they want to hire a trans voice actress to do Maevaris, I'm hoping it's Casey Mongillo. She is MAD talented. I just watched an interview with her! I didn't know she could do an English accent. That's awesome.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 24, 2018 19:20:18 GMT
"Baby when you finally, get to love somebody, guess what, it's gonna be Mae..."Try to get this out of your head now... trust me, you can't.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 26, 2018 18:17:44 GMT
Speaking of voice over actors/actress for Mae if she is in DA4. Would love to have Freema Agyeman be her voice. Pefect. Freema seems popular. Vaea’s writer also named her as a preferred voice actress, specifically her in Dr. Who.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 26, 2018 18:47:50 GMT
Speaking of voice over actors/actress for Mae if she is in DA4. Would love to have Freema Agyeman be her voice. Pefect. I don´t think she is that "perfect" for this unique role.
To add authenticity and avoid controversy Bioware should really hire a real transgender actress like Jamie Clayton. Like Freema Agyeman she is also from Sense8 and she already had voiced an Bioware character before. Jien Garson form Mass Effect Andromeda. Well she would be perfect for this job.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 26, 2018 19:04:46 GMT
I disagree. The voice is out of the body. It is recorded. What matters is the inflection, tone. Whether the voice actor's voice can hit the mark and fit he character. Fenris would not have worked so well without anyone other than Gideon Emry's deep scratchy voice. To me I hear Freema's voice when reading her words. Sorry but Maevaris is an unique case. She really deserves a transgender actress. Of course Bioware can hire a person like Freema but this doesn´t make it right. David Gaider didn´t work at Bioware anymore but he had a point with his statement.
So why not cast Jamie Clayton?
Edit: And your argument with Gideon Emry isn´t fitting. Or can an actress voices a male character like Fenris? Yeah i don´t think so. Why shouldn´t a transgender actress not consider to be best option for transgender character?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 26, 2018 19:23:52 GMT
I disagree. The voice is out of the body. It is recorded. What matters is the inflection, tone. Whether the voice actor's voice can hit the mark and fit he character. Fenris would not have worked so well without anyone other than Gideon Emry's deep scratchy voice. To me I hear Freema's voice when reading her words. Sorry but Maevaris is an unique case. She really deserves an transgender actress. Of course Bioware can hire a person like Freema but this doesn´t make it right. David Gaider didn´t work at Bioware anymore but he had a point with his statement.
So why not cast Jamie Clayton?
Edit: And your argument with Gideon Emry isn´t fitting. Or can an actress voices a male character like Fenris? Yeah i don´t think so. Why shouldn´t a transgender actress not consider to be best option for transgender character?
Doesn't make it wrong either.
I'd actually rather a trans voice actor/actress get hired for some bioware characters who are not trans actually, because I'd like them to be thought of as more than just a trans character. Mae is pretty awesome but it's not her being trans that makes it so, at least imo. I feel like there is too much focus on that aspect of her already, where people are starting to overlook everything else, when she has so much to offer. And Gideon Emry is already burned in my brain but if there were a trans actor who could've done a better job, then why not?
That said if jamie does the best job then I'm not against the pick either, I just want the person who does the best job. etc.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 26, 2018 19:44:08 GMT
Doesn't make it wrong either. Its the same as Whitewashing. Scarlett Johnssan is a fine actress but she was miscast as Major in Ghost in the Shell. You can almost always find a better actor / actress for a role but its important that the role fits the actor / actress.
And who can better play a fictional transgender character than a real transgender actor / actress? Also in their own interest they will play
this role with intention in mind that this figure is more than transgender.
Have faith in Bioware they´ll find the best voice for Mae.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 26, 2018 19:48:55 GMT
Sorry but Maevaris is an unique case. She really deserves a transgender actress. Of course Bioware can hire a person like Freema but this doesn´t make it right. David Gaider didn´t work at Bioware anymore but he had a point with his statement.
So why not cast Jamie Clayton?
Edit: And your argument with Gideon Emry isn´t fitting. Or can an actress voices a male character like Fenris? Yeah i don´t think so. Why shouldn´t a transgender actress not consider to be best option for transgender character?
My point was a very simple one, the voice should fit the character. It should not matter 'who' the actor/actress 'is' or 'represents' in real life. My point with Gideon Emry's voice is that if they picked Steve Valentine to do the voice over to me the character of Fenris wouldn't have worked. Vivienne, a black mage in DAI was voiced by the excellent , Indira Varma, a UK citizen of Swiss and Italian parents. The fact that Varma is white and not black suggests 'who' the actress is doesn't make a bit of difference when doing voice overs. Kimberly Brooks, a black woman did the voice over for a white woman, Ashley Williams in Mass Effect 1. Can't imagine Ashley without the Brooks, it wouldn't be Ashley. Why not Jamie? I liked her character in Sense 8 but didn't care for her voice. Simple as that. And no, the voice should fit the character. Same as and actor/actress should fit the part, shouldn't matter what color, race, religion or identity the person has in real life.
Indira Varma is half Indian, her father and half Swiss, her mother.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 26, 2018 19:56:53 GMT
My point was a very simple one, the voice should fit the character. It should not matter 'who' the actor/actress 'is' or 'represents' in real life. Why not Jamie? I liked her character in Sense 8 but didn't care for her voice. Simple as that. And no, the voice should fit the character. Same as and actor/actress should fit the part, shouldn't matter what color, race, religion or identity the person has in real life. Thats really subjective who has the most fitting voice.
My point would also the same if Indira Varma had voiced a character like Fenris. This is also wrong.
So why cast a good transgender actress for a transgender character?
Also in my subjective opinion Jame Clayton could work. Maybe she brings because of the role a lot more passion in the role than "normal" actress. Give her a chance. I think she did a good job as Jien Garson so why not as Maevaris?
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 26, 2018 20:07:30 GMT
Maybe she brings because of the role a lot more passion in the role than "normal" actress. I made my suggestion. I love Freema's voice, the fact that she is hot is irrelevant I hope they use her as a face model for a character one day because hot damn.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 26, 2018 20:27:11 GMT
What's a 'normal' actress? A role is a role. An actess is an actress. A transgender female should of course be treated like a born female but we cannot ignore that there is a difference between them. Sorry but with this unique character Bioware have to be really careful. So why risk it with a non transgender actress?
Especially if Bioware has the variety to pick from good transgender actresses for Mae? You like her but this doesn´t make her automatic the best or in your word perfect choice.
Like i said please give Jamie Clayton a chance she is a good actress.
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Post by gangrelbeckett on Dec 26, 2018 21:12:54 GMT
Did you even see her play Nomi in Sense 8? I did she played a cool role in Sense 8 and she was also fine as Jien Garson who presumably was just a normal / born female. Its a normal discussion with a disagreement.
I don´t see her as the best choice for Bioware to pick for Mae. Thats all. And i also don´t think that Maevaris is just another female.
Maevaris is unique and Bioware should treat her like this.
And don´t forget Mae will automatically create criticism so why risk it more with a non transgender actress? I would agree with you if they weren´t any good transgender actress to book. But Bioware have the option to cast someone like Jamie Clayton who previously even had worked for them. Why not use her?
Because you can´t see her in the role. I am very confident that Bioware at least consider her for the role or cast her for test recordings. It may be just a small advantage but Bioware really likes to reuse reliable and cost-efficient voice actors and actresses for their games.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Dec 26, 2018 21:28:37 GMT
I made my suggestion. I love Freema's voice, the fact that she is hot is irrelevant I hope they use her as a face model for a character one day because hot damn. And I hope they use the stunning and brave hero Caitlyn Jenner as a face model for Mae.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2018 0:28:33 GMT
I definitely want Mae to have an awesome voice actress. She's such a cool character. And, given that she's partially based on Mae West, I think she needs someone really sultry and flirty sounding. So, while I love Jamie Clayton and also love the idea of a trans actress getting this really cool role, I don't think she's the right fit.
I'm sure that Bioware will cast the right actress. I can't think of many of the main characters that I think the VA isn't right. Freddie Prinze Jr as Bull is cringey at times. And Bethany's voice actress is dull as dishwater. But other than that, I think the VA's have been spot on. I have faith in them to do Mae right.
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Post by Ieldra on Dec 27, 2018 8:29:59 GMT
Regarding the discussion in the previous posts: the idea that an actor who plays a character with an invisible trait X must have that trait in RL is...very odd. I mean, it's pretty much the point of being an actor that this is not required. And we're not even talking about visual performances, but about voice actors where even physical traits are invisible to the players. So, I say look for someone from whom you can expect the best performance. Aren't we always saying what you are otherwise shouldn't matter? Well, I say don't make it matter then. Note that I have no preference in this specifically since I don't know any of the candidates. What I do know is that I watched an interview with Mark Meer once. I'd never have guessed from that interview the impressive range of voices he can do. RL behaviour really isn't an indication of acting performance. This sometimes gets overlooked because so many actors are often cast as similar types in different productions.
As for Maevaris, I expect her to be in DA4 in some capacity, especially if we're going to Tevinter. I'd like to see her in an interesting role, because I found her intriguing in a comic whose name I can't recall atm., but beyond that I have no preferences.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 27, 2018 18:38:02 GMT
Jennifer Hale could do Mae's voice. She's good at changing her voice. I din't know for the longest time that she did Krem's voice in DAI.
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Post by Mresa on Dec 27, 2018 22:01:02 GMT
Jennifer Hale could do Mae's voice. She's good at changing her voice. I din't know for the longest time that she did Krem's voice in DAI. Way too recognizable. She's not bad but I wouldn't want her to voice such a major character, after being femshep would rather want someone newer.
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Post by phoray on Dec 27, 2018 22:17:37 GMT
Not that Adelle is a voice actress or that I even like Adelle's style of music... But it'd be nice if a TG character, man to female, would still have a deep voice. A TG voice actress linked above by someone had a teenager goign through puberty voice, and that's just not suitable fo rMae at all.
unrelated, but I hate Maryden's speaking voice and it doesn't go with her singing voice at all.
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Post by Walter Black on Dec 27, 2018 22:45:55 GMT
One of my biggest concerns for Maevaris is that whether she is an NPC, Advisor, or full Companion, is whether or not her character will have a consistent tone from the comics. David Gaider's Mae was feisty, intelligent, brave, and compassionate, but could also be decadent and self involved, ruthless, unconsciously patronizing to non-mages, and of course owned slaves. For all his over reliance on snark and forced drama at times, Gaider knew good Companions need deep and complex flaws if they are to have any interesting character arcs. Patrick Weekes being the head writer concerns me since he has shown a history of whitewashing characters (Cole, Moridin) or trying to find ways of punishing players who don't necessarily agree with is interpretations (Solas, Iron Bull). Obviously, there will be several other writers, but this history has me worried whether or not Weekes will help honor David's vision of Mae as a complex, three dimensional person, or see her softened to fit what thinks Magister Tilani should be.
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Post by vertigomez on Dec 27, 2018 22:58:27 GMT
^ I'm not worried about that, personally. Bull and Solas are two incredibly nuanced, three-dimensional characters with a lot of flaws as well as virtues. They have their dark and their light sides. And even still, individual writers do most of their own writing for specific characters... Sheryl Chee, Lukas Kristjanson, Mary Kirby...
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Post by phoray on Dec 27, 2018 23:02:42 GMT
Yep. It's not even a sure thing that Weekes will write Mae. For better or worse. I like what he's done with the characters. Video Game Cole is less interesting philosophically than Book Cole but that didn't stop me from adopting video game Cole in my heart as his mum. So less interesting but I like him.more?
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