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Post by Guardian on Jun 10, 2024 2:08:14 GMT
I just think that there are some that just want Bioware to fail. Whether it's because they're BG3 fans or "anti-woke" people. Maybe they should've changed the tone of the trailer, but I feel that Bioware assumed that others saw the past trailers and thought they could do something different.
Given Bio's precarious state, assuming can be very deadly. Am of the opinion that the trailer had to go through the marketing dept before release approval.
Yeah....let's not kid ourselves here - we all know BioWare is in a very precarious state right now. But I don't want to pass any sort of judgment about the game until I not only see a gameplay trailer, but a couple different ones, and maybe a demo (which I doubt will happen).
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 10, 2024 2:09:17 GMT
Seems like everyone who has played or seen gameplay is painting a completely different picture of the game than what we saw today. Why does BioWare's marketing have to be this way?  I mean, they have always been like this. I don't think we've plumbed the depths of the Marilyn Manson trailer for DAO yet!
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Post by SomberXIII on Jun 10, 2024 2:10:13 GMT
Ok. I've caught up with it now. Initially whelmed by the trailer, especially Varric and Harding looked way off at first. Neve is an instant hit for me. Don't care much about Bellara and Davrin. Bellara gives off Sera but more mature. I legit thought Emmrich was Dorian lol. I didn't like Lucanis looks more beat up honestly.
BUT the locales! Minrathous! Treviso in daytime? I wonder if the game would have day/night circle. Trailer showed Minrathous at possibly dawn but the screenshot showed it's in the nighttime. Where is everyone in possibly the Grand Necropolis though. It's giving dungeon vibes.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 10, 2024 2:10:39 GMT
Seems like everyone who has played or seen gameplay is painting a completely different picture of the game than what we saw today. Why does BioWare's marketing have to be this way?  Trailers being stylistically different from the game is par for the course. Why are people suddenly treating this as some kind of fumble. WoW and D4 released trailers that look nothing like the game and nobody has said anything lmao For pretty much all the games I play, the tone of the trailer is the tone of the game. |
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 10, 2024 2:11:01 GMT
I just tuned back in to everything, realized the trailer dropped, went and saw it, and I have to say I feel very underwhelmed. I guess cus its more of a companion tease than a game trailer? I'm here for the conclusion to Tresspasser. I'd at least like a trailer that hints at the story and actual tone of the game. This thing did not give off dramatic vibes. It did give off moba vibes (or w/e you call the type of game raid shadow legends is with the "pick a champion and fight as them" gimmick). Hoping its just fumbled marketing, but I'm actually just getting more annoyed the more I think on it.
"Blah blah, the marketing for the series has always been off", but it actually hasn't. DAO's trailer wasn't a scenario that happened in the game, but it did give a good tone that was accurate. DAI same. It showed the concept of the game, fighting against the rifts. If this trailer is as tonally accurate, I don't think I'm gonna like the game. If its not tonally accurate, now the rest of the marketing has to fight upstream against it to paint an accurate picture. And a gameplay video isn't gonna help on that front. It can hurt, if the combat is bad. But if the combat is good and the story is bland or bad, I am still not gonna like the game.
I haven't read the other pages of the thread I've missed, so sorry if this is redundant or something.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 10, 2024 2:11:11 GMT
Seems like everyone who has played or seen gameplay is painting a completely different picture of the game than what we saw today. Why does BioWare's marketing have to be this way? I mean, they have always been like this. I don't think we've plumbed the depths of the Marilyn Manson trailer for DAO yet!
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Post by Guardian on Jun 10, 2024 2:15:22 GMT
Wouldn’t mind missing the Witcher demographic at all. I don’t the misery and grime with almost zero redeeming qualities. Dark shit happens in Thedas, but I don’t want the world to burn like almost all other dark fantasy worlds. Also, these Origins’ gatekeepers really confuse me… did they miss all the quippy banter and light hearted elements in Origins? Or do they just want rape and death everywhere? Cause I’m pretty sure Tevinter is going to have harsh moments. Got to admit there has been a significant tonal shift from Origins to Inquisition, imo. Like I still hold my breath during the Deep Roads venture, traveling towards the source of the Darkspawn... all while Hespith reveals what happened to the dwarves. Origins feels like a game where your character is secondary to the story being created. I'd say DA2 and Inquisition don't have that same feeling. They're living the hero's tale, with all the tragedy that can bring. FitzChivalry vs Kvothe's story. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the change, but let's not pretend that just because there's cheese and quips in Origins that means the series hasn't changed drastically.
If you're too adverse to the change, though, just keep playing Origins as an insular game. Or be the most mad at DA2 (I love it, not bashing) because it brought the big change, not Inquisition and probably not Veilguard. Yeah....as it's already been said, Origins was always meant to be "Dark Fantasy". But like NeverlandHunter says - just because it's dark, doesn't mean it can't have some lightheartedness.
To be fair, though, I was also told that all the choices presented to you in Origins would be "difficult" ones. That I disagree with; the only choice that I really had a hard time with is the Paragon of her Kind quest. And even after doing another playthrough as a Dwarf Noble, I still found it hard to decide, knowing what both outcomes would lead to. Redcliffe? Get the lyrium. Mages tower? Use the book to protect the mages from becoming corrupted. Elves? Yeah, Zathiel's gotta go; Loghain? Yup....he can be executed for what he did. Dark Fantasy doesn't always mean grimdark, but I think they were trying to go with a more "bleak" tone in Origins.
As for the tone shifting, the first game has you dealing with a Blight. Which you end; so yeah....the tone is going to shift a bit to a bit lighter because of that. Maybe I'm just way off base with that observation. And as much as people complain about Inquisition being "lighthearted" and "quippy", Inquisition has problems, but that's not one of them.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 10, 2024 2:16:40 GMT
Seems like everyone who has played or seen gameplay is painting a completely different picture of the game than what we saw today. Why does BioWare's marketing have to be this way? I mean, they have always been like this. I don't think we've plumbed the depths of the Marilyn Manson trailer for DAO yet!
Yeah, actually I do remember seeing DAO trailers back in the day and I was not impressed. But then reviews of the game were stellar and I bought it and it became my favorite game of all time. I figured they would be better at matching the tone by now...but then again I guess they might just be trying to draw in particular demographics (i.e. not me).
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 2:18:02 GMT
Trailers being stylistically different from the game is par for the course. Why are people suddenly treating this as some kind of fumble. WoW and D4 released trailers that look nothing like the game and nobody has said anything lmao For pretty much all the games I play, the tone of the trailer is the tone of the game. Dont remember DAO featuring heavy metal action packed sequences. |
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jun 10, 2024 2:19:59 GMT
Honestly these posts reminding me why I quit DA social media. Imagine waiting a decade only to complain about a trailer's tone.
Not gonna let sad people affect my perspective of the game. Learned the lesson from MEA.
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Post by river82 on Jun 10, 2024 2:21:43 GMT
Seems like everyone who has played or seen gameplay is painting a completely different picture of the game than what we saw today. Why does BioWare's marketing have to be this way? Trailers being stylistically different from the game is par for the course. Why are people suddenly treating this as some kind of fumble. WoW and D4 released trailers that look nothing like the game and nobody has said anything lmao WoW and D4 trailers are tonally accurate. Trailers looking a little different is the norm, but they give a decent impression of the game.
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Post by river82 on Jun 10, 2024 2:22:27 GMT
Honestly these posts reminding me why I quit DA social media. Imagine waiting a decade only to complain about a trailer's tone. Not gonna let sad people affect my perspective of the game. Learned the lesson from MEA. What's important to some isn't for others
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Post by Guardian on Jun 10, 2024 2:24:06 GMT
I'd guess it seems like straight men care more because a-- probably small-- but loud portion of them not only complain about not having the options they want but they need to spew their misogynistic hatred at the options they deem less worthy. For all the rest of us; lovers of men, women, and more, we are less likely to have such a hateful portion of our community. I'm sure a lot of us played video games when 99% of games catered to young straight men, and so I think we're used to not having and while we want more, we don't lash out the same way as the man children. I've been pointing out for years that if I tried to claim that Bioware is homophobic because I don't like Dorian's mustache everyone would rightly call out my self-centeredness, yet we're apparently supposed to take straight players completely seriously when they claim that Bioware hates straight men because they don't like Cora's haircut. Also, a lot of lesbian women complained about that, too, because her hair cut and that she trained exclusively with the Asari Huntresses "coded" her as gay. There was a larger firestorm from them than the "dudebros". They had to lock the thread for a couple days just to let everything calm down. Oh, sure, the dudebros still complained about her haircut, but after the game came out, they pretty much forgot all about it, save for a few usual suspects. There are still some that gripe about how Cora isn't gay to this day, though.
Lmaoooo, honestly at this point it seems gay men have much more restrictive standards than straight men when it comes to video game pixels  I've seen this with my own circle of gay friends as well! I'm more concerned whether any of the male romances feel like they were written with men in mind, since we are going back to all bi route. And yes, I can generally tell who the target demographic is.I’m not sure about the straight man comment. I’ve already seen some men complaining about Taash looking to masculine. It’s looks like the same group that didn’t find Casandra feminine enough is about to complain about Taash. Eh, let them and ignore them. Those people aren't worth responding to, really. Let's just hope it doesn't go as bad as the following quote did....
I’m not sure about the straight man comment. I’ve already seen some men complaining about Taash looking to masculine. It’s sound like same group that didn’t find Casandra feminine enough is about to complain about Taash. That's nothing compared to what Cassandra went through. In BSN Prime, there was an entire thread where a user used Anthropology to conclude that Cassandra was a man. Yup, I remember that. It was quite embarrassing, really. Like, I understand to a degree his point, but at the end of the day, it's a freaking video game! I mean, who really cares? If you're that hung up about it, don't keep making threads about trying to prove your point with anthropology, just say, "I don't get the appeal," and move on! Sorry about that mini rant. And while I wish Cassandra was at least Bi, I thought she was quite attractive and lovely. I found her personality drew me in more than anything, really. I'm not sure if anyone here agrees with me, but looking across the board on Reddit, 4chan, ResetEra and Tumblr, it seems like an overwhelmingly incredibly negative reaction. I'm surprised myself there's so much positivity around the game here - maybe we're a bit more obsessive compared to the others? Reddit I find to be more levelheaded out of those groups you mention. But 4chan, Tumblr and especially ResetEra, I wouldn't take what they say to heart. And for there being positivity around the game here? I'd say it's more "cautious optimism". We've had so long to speculate and once we were made aware it wasn't going to be a live service game anymore, that brought back some hope. But, there's still a lot of unknowns, which is why I say it's more "cautious optimism" than just being positive about it. Just my opinion; I only speak for myself and a few outside of this forum that I know.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 10, 2024 2:34:59 GMT
I'm not sure if anyone here agrees with me, but looking across the board on Reddit, 4chan, ResetEra and Tumblr, it seems like an overwhelmingly incredibly negative reaction. I'm surprised myself there's so much positivity around the game here - maybe we're a bit more obsessive compared to the others? Bioware is dead and EA needs to sell off Dragon Age to someone else. 
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 10, 2024 2:36:37 GMT
Dragon Age @dragonageEven a broken world can be beautiful - welcome to Minrathous. Enjoy this sneak peek at an in-game environment you'll see much more of in the #DragonAge: The Veilguard Gameplay Reveal on June 11! Join the YouTube Premiere chat tomorrow where we'll be sharing a few special surprises ahead of the trailer!  See that looks impressive and matches more what I was expecting. Maybe I'll feel much better after the gameplay reveal...Tuesday can't come soon enough
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 10, 2024 2:36:39 GMT
gallegos @galleg0s1Thank you! Straight to the point and based in a good way. I don't know what's the story between you and Bioware, but I wish you'd written several characters for this game... I also hope they kept Dorian somewhere around, because this man is too good to present in one game only. David Gaider @davidgaiderI have a distinct feeling you might run into Dorian as an NPC. Maybe a quest giver? Depending on how/whether they deal with variables, he might just be very tight-lipped about his past. Razer @razerathaneDavid, I really hope you enjoy that 'blind' experience with this coming DA. I hope you have all the same thrills and emotions as what you gifted us with the previous ones. Excited to see you play  David Gaider @davidgaiderEveryone here keeps telling me I should stream my playthrough, but... man, I have NO poker face. I don't know it that's a good idea. 😅 concentricArc @concentricarcPerhaps I'm just an idiot, but I felt this wasn't pushing us as the hero as much as introducing us to our companions. In DAI marketing, there was a specific trailer for the Inquisitor. Perhaps our "hero" trailer is still incoming. David Gaider @davidgaiderYou can literally hear the chorus singing "we could be heroes" in the background, leading up to the reveal of the gender-vague protagonist. 🤔 KB @klb725if that was the goal for any of the games, id argue they all categorocally failed outside of maybe inquisition. And even then, the sponginess of those enemies basically prevented that from ever happening (i also dont think them not being a pwr fantasy is a bad thing) David Gaider @davidgaiderJust because the attempt failed, as you say, didn't mean I never sat through multiple meetings having "where's the power fantasy?" repeated at me over and over. 😆
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 10, 2024 2:37:36 GMT
Ok, question I didn't mention in my previous post, but... why on earth is Varric brunette now? lol Like, even the chest hair, which theoretically he wouldn't dye, is black. Varric *is* a ginger or a blond, right? I'm not crazy? This is not the Mandella effect at work???
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Post by Guardian on Jun 10, 2024 2:38:13 GMT
I'm not sure if anyone here agrees with me, but looking across the board on Reddit, 4chan, ResetEra and Tumblr, it seems like an overwhelmingly incredibly negative reaction. I'm surprised myself there's so much positivity around the game here - maybe we're a bit more obsessive compared to the others? Bioware is dead and EA needs to sell off Dragon Age to someone else.  See? "Cautious Optimism"!
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 10, 2024 2:39:31 GMT
Honestly these posts reminding me why I quit DA social media. Imagine waiting a decade only to complain about a trailer's tone. Not gonna let sad people affect my perspective of the game. Learned the lesson from MEA. I'm not out to get the game, and for the record, I liked MEA overall. I'm not some hater saying I'm underwhelmed to get my hate on. I'm saying it cus its true. Sorry if you feel like its peeing on your parade.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 10, 2024 2:40:14 GMT
Ok, question I didn't mention in my previous post, but... why on earth is Varric brunette now? lol Like, even the chest hair, which theoretically he wouldn't dye, is black. Varric *is* a ginger or a blond, right? I'm not crazy? This is not the Mandella effect at work???
No, he is...that confused me as well. I thought maybe it went grey because he's gotten older or maybe because of all the stress he's suffered through it went grey prematurely? But yes, he is a blonde/ginger. That part is correct.
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Post by Guardian on Jun 10, 2024 2:46:06 GMT
Honestly these posts reminding me why I quit DA social media. Imagine waiting a decade only to complain about a trailer's tone. Not gonna let sad people affect my perspective of the game. Learned the lesson from MEA. I'm not out to get the game, and for the record, I liked MEA overall. I'm not some hater saying I'm underwhelmed to get my hate on. I'm saying it cus its true. Sorry if you feel like its peeing on your parade.
This is a perfectly valid response. A lot of us felt burned after seeing ME: Andromeda's trailer, and to us, that was a very hard lesson learned. If the trailer did something for someone, great! If not, that's also fine! Just not everyone is coming at it from a position of, "BioWare is dead and needs to sell off the IPs!"
To me, Inquisition was very "meh". It was decent, but I couldn't tell you for the life of me anything about most the cast. The writing was okay; nothing spectacular, really. The trailer really didn't do them any favors; especially that art style. However, I won't pass any sort of judgment on it until I see a couple of game play trailers. And I don't mean the same one different ways - different areas, different companions, different things being shown. As I said before, I'd also like an actual demo for us to play, but I know that'll never happen.
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Post by river82 on Jun 10, 2024 2:47:33 GMT
I was thinking the devs were trying to reflect that thing that happens where red hair turns brown as you age, but his hair definitely looks really really dark brown now
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Post by azarhal on Jun 10, 2024 2:48:13 GMT
Ok, question I didn't mention in my previous post, but... why on earth is Varric brunette now? lol Like, even the chest hair, which theoretically he wouldn't dye, is black. Varric *is* a ginger or a blond, right? I'm not crazy? This is not the Mandella effect at work??? You're not crazy. It's supposed to be "grey hair" considering his age (and something that happens in The Missing which was mostly reverted). Note that Harding haircolor is also darker then in DAI.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 10, 2024 3:05:06 GMT
Ok, question I didn't mention in my previous post, but... why on earth is Varric brunette now? lol Like, even the chest hair, which theoretically he wouldn't dye, is black. Varric *is* a ginger or a blond, right? I'm not crazy? This is not the Mandella effect at work??? You're not crazy. It's supposed to be "grey hair" considering his age (and something that happens in The Missing which was mostly reverted). Note that Harding haircolor is also darker then in DAI.
Oh, they got magically altered in the comics? Ok, makes some sense. I've rewatched the trailer, looking for tidbits that actually pertain to the Tresspasser stuff, and I did notice there were both halla and crows on that eluvian connected bridge, so... dirthamen might be involved? That could be cool. I mean, the tagline does say "together defy the gods", so to be expected, I guess? Does seem to support the idea that the release of the evanuris is gonna happen relatively early in the game. Doesn't necessarily mean the veil is coming down, but that their prison gets fractured enough to let them either escape or exert influence. Or maybe they'll be revealed to have already had agents at play this whole time, like I and others have speculated from the information DAI gave us. And we'll just be fighting them cus they're coming out of the woodwork to race against Solas or something. Basically a 5th group is entering the fray. Random thought, but: Over/under on a "time travel to ancient arlathan to see the evanuris in person" mission in this game? I think its likely.
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I've seen this with my own circle of gay friends as well! I'm more concerned whether any of the male romances feel like they were written with men in mind, since we are going back to all bi route. 
