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Post by themikefest on Jun 14, 2024 1:07:29 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted yet, but...Over on Discord, I noticed they confirmed there will be Faction-based gear in the game, if you're looking to dress the part. Nice wil be nic eto see th eoptions for mages Hopefully Bioware brings back the robes and hats from DAO.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 14, 2024 1:08:59 GMT
Well... obviously we don't know if Varric survives long enough to be in the base But I have to wonder if Charter's going to show up - she was kinda implied to be a character with an important role, similar to that of Leliana in Inquisition, but it's hard to say if they changed plans regarding her or not. Dorian likely has his own place - though it may be connected to Lighthouse with an eluvian... Well w edo know tha the doesn' tdi ein th eprologu eit's onl yhis trusty Bianca tha tgets destroyed but h ema ysta yas a nadvisor/liason t othe Inqusition o rhe ma ygo bac kt oKirkwall aftrewards andju tnot join us as we know he can't join in th efight given wit hout Bianca he can't reall yfight A. Bianca can be fixed or rebuilt; her inventor still lives. B. We don't really know how that encounter with Solas and Evanuris really ends - the last second or so indicates that Solas uses some sort of spell that may have exploded everything - and the last time there was a massive explosion the protagonist was involved with, only the protagonist survived
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Well w edo know tha the doesn' tdi ein th eprologu eit's onl yhis trusty Bianca tha tgets destroyed but h ema ysta yas a nadvisor/liason t othe Inqusition o rhe ma ygo bac kt oKirkwall aftrewards andju tnot join us as we know he can't join in th efight given wit hout Bianca he can't reall yfight A. Bianca can be fixed or rebuilt; her inventor still lives. B. We don't really know how that encounter with Solas and Evanuris really ends - the last second or so indicates that Solas uses some sort of spell that may have exploded everything - and the last time there was a massive explosion the protagonist was involved with, only the protagonist survived Maybe but aft reSolas di dtha tVarriclooked lik eh edidn' treall ywantto fight.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 14, 2024 1:19:26 GMT
I wonder if we'll have clothing options in addition to our gear a la BG3? Also, hopefully... transmog.Having looked at all the companions' adorable off-duty outfits, I want something nice and comfy for Rook as well. No more leather beige pyjamas BioWare, pls. (Sure, they eventually patched in other options, but I want something that looks cosy for hanging around the Lighthouse!)
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Post by colfoley on Jun 14, 2024 1:20:48 GMT
So this...
Which appeared in the countdown for the gameplay demo.
Also I am pretty sure was in here:
I think we've found a major theme of the game and it sounds pretty good.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 14, 2024 1:25:04 GMT
A. Bianca can be fixed or rebuilt; her inventor still lives. B. We don't really know how that encounter with Solas and Evanuris really ends - the last second or so indicates that Solas uses some sort of spell that may have exploded everything - and the last time there was a massive explosion the protagonist was involved with, only the protagonist survived Maybe but aft reSolas di dtha tVarriclooked lik eh edidn' treall ywantto fight. That was before Rook dropped a statue on Solas - we don't know what happened later. Well... we know that Harding looks worse for wear at some point... and I don't think it's a stretch to assume that it may have happened during that fateful mission. Neve survived as well (given that she's a companion), but there really is not way of telling what happened to Varric. Or Solas. Michael Gamble @gamblemike Okay one more thing. Since we’re on a Harding kick over here. Lace Harding after a not-so-great time.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 14, 2024 1:25:54 GMT
David Gaider @davidgaider Hmm. I guess the move in DATV to "all companions are romanceable by everyone" isn't a huge surprise, considering BG3, but - unsurprisingly - I have a few thoughts:
First off, the fandom is pretty split on romance design. A huge part just want whoever they want, and NOT getting to romance them is tantamount to a slap in the face. Others like characters with more agency, even (and maybe especially) if it doesn't align with their preferences.
Nothing wrong with either desire, honestly. It all depends on what you want out of your game. We're not all here for the same reasons, OK? The only unfortunate aspect, in my experience, is that these two approaches are more or less diametrically opposed, from a design standpoint.
The DA writers realized, eventually, that as soon as you make a character romanceable it limits the type of character they can be and the types of stories they can tell. They become beholden to their romance arc and their need to, ultimately, be appealing.
Why is that a limitation? Because not all character story arcs are defined by being appealing to the player. Even if the appeal of an arc is for a relatively limited audience, the requirement of having appeal inherently restricts the potential stories to a fairly limited band.
It's why the DA team, after a discussion during DAI's development, eventually decided to keep Varric as non-romanceable. Already I hear some fans groaning in disappointment, even though we did it so as not to *destroy Varric's character*. You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid.
I find the article's slant of DATV's approach being new curious. The only difference between this and DA2, after all, is that not every DA2 follower was romanceable. The ones you could were pansexual. In fact, we made the *same* argument that they were not "playersexual" (ugh).
The call to back away from that approach in DAI was mine, made with Mike's and the team's support. I didn't like what taking away the followers' agencies did, that it turned them into sex dolls whose only purpose is to have the player mash them together and go "now kiss!"
But, I'll admit, that's a personal (and uncharitable) preference. I also didn't like what it did to BG3. Several characters would have had a stronger arc without romance, and the feeling I got from having this entire huge crew all ready to drop trou if I blinked wrong... meh.
So while I'm not personally keen on the change to DATV's approach, if they unapologetically lean into it as BG3 did it should be fine. It's a legit approach, like I said, and many many fans will be gleeful and happy for it.
Which, at the end of the day, is not a bad thing. 😊
And I think, with that, I should shut up about Dragon Age for a while. I have other things to do than to provide fodder for news articles that like to talk about what "former Dragon Age lead writer" tweets, after all. 😅
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Post by biggydx on Jun 14, 2024 1:33:24 GMT
Not to derail any conversations. Just me musing here. But looking back at some of the gameplay demos that have been shown across the various conferences these past few weeks, I really wish more developers would take up the task of getting experienced people to play these games. I know that comes off as nit-picky, but having someone very competent at the game showcasing the depth of systems the player will have at their disposal really matters. It also gives players something aspirational to look forward to when they finally do get their hands on the game.
I think back to when Arkane Lyon released a gameplay trailer for their Dishonored 2 expansion, Death of the Outsider, and they brought StealthGamerBR to be the one playing the game.
It looked very professional, while still showcasing just how deadly the player could be. As a side note, StealthGamer is a YouTuber best known for doing highly stylized gameplay runs of various titles that include stealth elements. Most notably, the Dishonored series, which has his most well-known gameplay footage.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 14, 2024 1:35:30 GMT
I would unironically love it if this was one of the options.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 14, 2024 1:37:21 GMT
I'm glad for Gaider finally getting his way in DA:I. Considering his desire to write a gay character started all the way from the beginning but then not being allowed to do so, Dorian Pavus was worth the wait (even if I hated his romance haha). I'm not opposed to the current system, but I'm definitely disappointed and my desire to know any of these characters took a huge hit, as they do now come across as personal wankbanks for the player. But that is a me issue rather than anything else.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 14, 2024 1:44:17 GMT
I'm glad for Gaider finally getting his way in DA:I. Considering his desire to write a gay character started all the way from the beginning but then not being allowed to do so, Dorian Pavus was worth the wait (even if I hated his romance haha). I'm not opposed to the current system, but I'm definitely disappointed and my desire to know any of these characters took a huge hit, as they do now come across as personal wankbanks for the player. But that is a me issue rather than anything else. I tend to agree that it objectifies the companions into trophies for the power fantasy. And that's fine, if that's what you're buying the game for. It just feels to me like a decision made for the tactical reasons of selling copies rather than telling a compelling story.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 14, 2024 1:48:42 GMT
I'm glad for Gaider finally getting his way in DA:I. Considering his desire to write a gay character started all the way from the beginning but then not being allowed to do so, Dorian Pavus was worth the wait (even if I hated his romance haha). I'm not opposed to the current system, but I'm definitely disappointed and my desire to know any of these characters took a huge hit, as they do now come across as personal wankbanks for the player. But that is a me issue rather than anything else. I tend to agree that it objectifies the companions into trophies for the power fantasy. And that's fine, if that's what you're buying the game for. It just feels to me like a decision made for the tactical reasons of selling copies rather than telling a compelling story. Ultimately, that is what it is. Convenience over anything else, and that's fine. But for RPGs, I prefer immersion over convenience, even if I don't get what I want haha.
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Post by SomberXIII on Jun 14, 2024 1:51:14 GMT
If so, I'd be amazed, since Zimmer is a veritable POWERHOUSE, and I love a lot of soundtrack work he did (maybe that's why the heartbeat thing reminded me of a piece for Interstellar?) Hans Zimmer and Lorne Balfe were credited on a hidden track "Dread Koda" on the Dragon Age vinyl set. And Trevor Morris tweeted a while back (and then deleted) that they passed on him for Hans Zimmer and co. Hans Zimmer is very overrated. When he's at his most unique, he delivered massive sprawling scores for movies like Angels and Demons. Same with his protege, Lorne Balfe. He excels in emotional scores such as one for Beyond: Two Souls but gets to be just so-so in many others. I don't get the massive adoration towards Zimmer. His movie scores are often front-loaded by just a single signature track like "Time" in Inception, "No Time for Caution" in Interstellar, to name a few. Funny things I noticed is these scores almost always get placed at the final arc of the movies. The rest are a bit of a mixed bag. I'm not thrilled about this but we'll see. If most of the soundtrack would sound like this track from Dune 2, I'd love it. I'm afraid we might not hear Solas theme in Veilguard. His tone in the deleted tweet didn't give the impression he was okay with the decision.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 14, 2024 2:01:53 GMT
I just watched the gameplay again. At the end, Varric could have pushed the elf over the edge. As he starts walking down the steps, the evanuris rise up.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 14, 2024 2:03:33 GMT
I personally prefer everyone having their own sexuality, but I am cheered by the thought that there will be no sad lesbians pining over unavailable Veilguard characters. I know multiple people who got all the way to the battlements scene with Cassandra where she turns you down before they found out she wasn't an option. Not to mention everyone who would have preferred romancing Alistair, Sebastian, Blackwall, Cullen or Solas with a male character instead of Zevran/Bull/Dorian.
The other advantage to this approach is that it renders the question of which characters are interested in non-binary PCs a complete non-issue. I can imagine that getting fraught in multiple ways if they'd put straight and gay characters in the game.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 14, 2024 2:13:41 GMT
I personally prefer everyone having their own sexuality, but I am cheered by the thought that there will be no sad lesbians pining over unavailable Veilguard characters. I know multiple people who got all the way to the battlements scene with Cassandra where she turns you down before they found out she wasn't an option. Not to mention everyone who would have preferred romancing Alistair, Sebastian, Blackwall, Cullen or Solas with a male character instead of Zevran/Bull/Dorian. The other advantage to this approach is that it renders the question of which characters are interested in non-binary PCs a complete non-issue. I can imagine that getting fraught in multiple ways if they'd put straight and gay characters in the game. You know what, I would've at least liked to be rejected by my dream guy Blackwall, but they straight up didn't give male Inquisitor even one flirt option with him! I always flirt with Cullen because it's funny, even if he turns me down and I'm not interested in him. Would've liked to have that awkward discussion with Blackwall as well, even if I'd have to have my crush.. crushed. Did they think guys wouldn't even want to flirt with Blackwall?! There are dozens of us, DOZENS!!!!
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 14, 2024 2:18:12 GMT
I personally prefer everyone having their own sexuality, but I am cheered by the thought that there will be no sad lesbians pining over unavailable Veilguard characters. I know multiple people who got all the way to the battlements scene with Cassandra where she turns you down before they found out she wasn't an option. Not to mention everyone who would have preferred romancing Alistair, Sebastian, Blackwall, Cullen or Solas with a male character instead of Zevran/Bull/Dorian. The other advantage to this approach is that it renders the question of which characters are interested in non-binary PCs a complete non-issue. I can imagine that getting fraught in multiple ways if they'd put straight and gay characters in the game. You know what, I would've at least liked to be rejected by my dream guy Blackwall, but they straight up didn't give male Inquisitor even one flirt option! I always flirt with Cullen because it's funny, even if he turns me down and I'm not interested in him. Would've liked to have that awkward discussion with Blackwall as well, even if I'd have to have my crush.. crushed. Yeah, I've always found it weird that you can flirt with some unavailable characters and not others. How the hell do all my Inquisitors magically know that Blackwall is straight and Varric is unavailable? You can flirt with Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, Sera and even Vivienne and get shot down, that's logically how it should work for everyone! I give them a pass on Leliana since she's very obviously not in a place to start a relationship when the Inquisitor meets her and it would be rude and weird to hit on her, but there's really no excuse with Blackwall and Varric. Same with Sebastian in DA2, for that matter.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 14, 2024 2:20:43 GMT
article not showing up for me, did they say anything else about veil hunters?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 14, 2024 2:24:00 GMT
I just watched the gameplay again. At the end, Varric could have pushed the elf over the edge. As he starts walking down the steps, the evanuris rise up. Do you really think Varric could push a guy who just destroyed his prized crossbow with an eyeflash and pushed away the statue the size of a skyscraper? That would be funny actually, but I don't think it's possible. But, more importantly: there's a significant edit there - when Solas grabs the statue with magic and pushes it away we see Rook is quite far from the risen platform Solas is on. And when Rook composes himself after he and Harding are showered with statue's chunks, they're still on wooden walkways that are nowhere near Solas. So we don't know how much content was cut for spoilers sake between Rook reaching the stairs, and then the tear widening up and Evanuris popping in to say hello. A lot of stuff could've happened in the meantime.
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Post by witchcocktor on Jun 14, 2024 2:28:47 GMT
You know what, I would've at least liked to be rejected by my dream guy Blackwall, but they straight up didn't give male Inquisitor even one flirt option! I always flirt with Cullen because it's funny, even if he turns me down and I'm not interested in him. Would've liked to have that awkward discussion with Blackwall as well, even if I'd have to have my crush.. crushed. Yeah, I've always found it weird that you can flirt with some unavailable characters and not others. How the hell do all my Inquisitors magically know that Blackwall is straight and Varric is unavailable? You can flirt with Cassandra, Cullen, Dorian, Sera and even Vivienne and get shot down, that's logically how it should work for everyone! I give them a pass on Leliana since she's very obviously not in a place to start a relationship when the Inquisitor meets her and it would be rude and weird to hit on her, but there's really no excuse with Blackwall and Varric. Same with Sebastian in DA2, for that matter. Oh my god I completely forgot about Varric! It would be such a HOOT to flirt with him! And you know he'd use that when writing tales about the Inquisitor, and would probably bring it up every chance he gets! Honestly, flirting and being rejected is pretty fun when they don't string you along. Cassandra was rather mean for that, I admit, as well as Dorian, but honestly it kind of fits both of their personalities. Though perhaps less so with Cassandra, but I can totally see her getting lost in the romance of it all.. An honorable seeker on the path of righteousness, being courted by a woman with a mysterious past and an even more mysterious glowing hand, how exhilarating! This is just the kind of stuff that you do lose with having all the companions open to you regardless of your gender
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 14, 2024 2:32:25 GMT
All romancable characters being pan/bi does not make them badly written or have less personality. Just as having all romancable characters being straight wouldn't. It does not make them any more sex dolls with no agency than the romances in previous games are.
I agree that romancable characater having a variety of different sexualities would have been good because A ) it would have provided more representation and B ) some people being not interested when you flirt with them adds to immersion. Much as them getting together with some one else when you don't romance them does.
But it doesn't make the characters themselves deeper or better written.
I sympathize with preferring romances with different sexualities, when it comes to the actual game i don't mind, but when it comes to out of game I'd have preferred they go with various sexualities too - because then i wouldn't have to see posts about how characters with my sexuality are inferior.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 14, 2024 2:48:13 GMT
The other advantage to this approach is that it renders the question of which characters are interested in non-binary PCs a complete non-issue. I can imagine that getting fraught in multiple ways if they'd put straight and gay characters in the game. A way some other games have handled that is have it triggered by either the body or the voice used by the player character.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 14, 2024 2:51:32 GMT
I just watched the gameplay again. At the end, Varric could have pushed the elf over the edge. As he starts walking down the steps, the evanuris rise up. Do you really think Varric could push a guy who just destroyed his prized crossbow with an eyeflash and pushed away the statue the size of a skyscraper? Yeah I do. Just as chuckles stops the statue from falling on him, the dwarf pushes solas over the ledge. As funny as it might be, I would give a thumb's up to the dwarf for doing that instead of standing there with his thumb up his fifth-point-of-contact doing nothing Yes there is an edit, but until it's known what was skipped, I'll go with what is shown.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 14, 2024 3:37:48 GMT
article not showing up for me, did they say anything else about veil hunters? no they're just ranged.
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