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Post by ClarkKent on Jul 27, 2024 12:56:07 GMT
Sounds good to me. That's at least one character that isn't a boy scout. how many characters do you see as a boyscout? I only can see Davrin and maaaayyybbbeee Harding in the role. I can't comment on the current bunch. My concern follows my dislike of the MEA cast. The DAI cast were alright.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2024 13:13:51 GMT
I did that in MEA. It was funny when fighting the kett in a bubble, the two companions barely damaged the kett in 15 minutes. After that time, I decided to fight the kett. Defeated it within a couple of minutes. Like I said previously. Squadmates in MEA were useless. Hopefully that doesn't happen in this game. I had a similar experience with the ultimate big dragon and its babies in the Emprise du Leon. I was a Knight Enchanter and was pretty much able to solo it because I couldn't be bothered reviving my companions who got knocked out, apart from Cassandra who was my lover but she was less fragile than the rest, so worth getting her back on her feet. I think Knight Enchanter was just a tad overpowered but I didn't care since I am not usually that good at combat so it made up for my deficiency. It will be interesting to see how the fight mechanics work out when not simply being showcased. They seemed to suggest that everything is tied back to Rook, so the companions are co-ordinated with Rook, Bellara heals Rook and eventually does this automatically, etc. I was a bit wary because of them saying that you can activate a "cannot die" mode. That seemed to suggest unless you opt for that mode if Rook did get knocked out before the others, perhaps it is game over as used to be the case with BG1 and BG2 rather than being able to continue fighting with the companions with Rook on the ground. After all, that would make sense if you can't directly control your companions' movements but only select options from the combat wheel. I could be wrong about that though.
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Post by theratpack55 on Jul 27, 2024 13:19:02 GMT
That's a plus in my book too, though he's probably still too fettered for my tastes, with the whole 'avenging the slaves' schtick. I'd have preferred an Illario. But, it's obvious it's going to be a heroic narrative overall, since that's how BW tends to write their stories, so properly immoral characters wouldn't fit in anyway. At least I still have Astarion to properly appreciate my unhinged boy Durge... Since when? It would be far easier to count the heroic 'boy scouts' morally upstanding characters in BioWare games then it would be to do the morally gray ones or even ones that stray a bit more into the black teritory. Afterall we have had Solas as our companion at one point. Since the story is pretty much always about saving the world in some way (barring DA2, which is my favorite story-wise for this exact reason), that's what I mean by 'heroic narrative'. As for the characters, I'm not saying they're all boy scouts, I'm saying almost all of them are doing what they're doing for some just - in their eyes at least - cause. Even Solas wants to 'unslave' the elves, or spirits, or whatever it is that he's doing. And then we of course have all the supposedly morally gray characters who nevertheless have a hidden heart of gold, like the Lucanis situation with his disgust at the treatment of the slaves, Neve also fighting for the slaves with the resistance, etc. I expect all of our companions will ultimately want to 'do the right thing'. I'm not complaining about it per se, I'm just saying we very rarely get companions in modern BW who are unapologetically selfish and amoral and only in it for their own benefit, like Astarion. I personally like these characters, and would also like to be able to play my character as not in this for some greater good. Fine, I can save the world, but only because it's where I keep all my stuff, and don't expect me to help old ladies across the street while I'm doing it. In the old BG (EE) my go to team usually included Viconia, Edwin, Xzar, Montaron and Dorn... and even then it kind of turned the game into a Benny Hill-esque run across the maps to escape the Flaming Fist, so not exactly a supported playstyle, despite having the option.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 27, 2024 14:56:47 GMT
Personally, I'm sick of amoral characters, you see them everywhere in media now and days and I'm just tired of seeing them. If the characters are so self-centered why should I care for them? I guess that's why I'm still attached to characters like Varric after all these years. Yeah, he's a bit greedy and is generally apathetic to world events, but you can see that he is caring for his friends.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 15:21:12 GMT
Well, so much for the hope Lucanis was going to be different from other Crows. Going to hate him. Just because he sees assassination as a job doesn't make him identical to other Crows. Each will have their own motivations and attitude to the organisation and their modus operadi. Zevran saw assassination as his job. He wasn't ashamed that he was a trained killer. However, he did turn against the Crows. Like Zevran, Lucanis has been trained from childhood to be a killing machine. It is hardly surprising he has the attitude he does. However, he showed in the Wigmaker Job that he actually doesn't treat it as just a job or he wouldn't have reacted as he did to the fate of the slaves. Illario was the true Crow in that respect. You find the target, kill them and get out. Nothing else matters. He was the ambitious one who wanted to be First Talon. I imagine most Crows are focused on how they make it to the next rung in the ladder of promotion within their organisation. Lucanis didn't want to be First Talon, so he is different. Remember also that the Crows started because a group of monks wanted to kill a tyrant harming their people, so they used assassination for a "good" purpose. Our characters in Dragon Age do that a lot. However, it could be argued that Lucanis was getting back to his roots in what he did for the slaves. Naturally it will depend on our interactions with him whether he sees himself as more than just a killing machine. He was under no illusions about the Crows in Tevinter Nights as he said to Illario: "We're not heroes anywhere". Sorry, but anyone who sees “Your mission today is to murder this innocent person because we got paid” and their reaction is “Okay. It’s just a job” I’m going to hate them. Yes I know about the slaves in the Wigmaker Job, but if they were part of the mission sounds like he’d kill them without a second thought.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2024 15:50:29 GMT
Yes I know about the slaves in the Wigmaker Job, but if they were part of the mission sounds like he’d kill them without a second thought. You don't know that. Illario certainly would and he objected to Lucanis in a way that suggested that is not how they had been trained to do it. That is what we can find out about him. Whether that was just a one off or if there is some sort of personal morality in there. Is that why he faked his death, so he could decide his targets and not his grandmother/the organisation? He seems to have been in Tevinter probably longer than he was meant to be. Illario had been specifically sent to bring him back and even then he didn't return immediately but insisted on doing that job first. He said about them having been trained to fulfill contracts but I got the impression that this was something he had taken on himself, not under the direction of Caterina, yet operating that far from home would I assume be something that would normally be arranged via her. There was something he wasn't telling Illario. Also, I noticed in Eight Little Talons that Viago assumed that if Caterina wanted to wipe out another House she would recall Lucanis to do it. Perhaps he was getting a little tired of being seen in that role. It is not that he minds killing but doing it indiscriminately at the whims of Caterina. I would point out in that respect that we do a lot of killing in these games. Hawke gained entrance to Kirkwall by being contracted for a year to either a mercenary band or smugglers. Whilst you can argue that the latter wouldn't automatically involve killing for money, the reality is it probably would. Then the whole of the first Act involved us raising the funds to finance the trip to the Deep Roads. Lots of killing for money there too. So, don't be too quick to judge a character simply because they were raised from a child to be a killer, without getting to know them a bit better first. After all, I really didn't like Dorian's attitude to slavery when we spoke about it in Inquisition but it turns out his contact with the Inquisition did alter his outlook and he ended up freeing all his slaves as a result when he returned home. May be his time in Tevinter had begun to make Lucanis question not his profession as an assassin but who he worked for. He thought there was nothing wrong in being paid to kill "racist blood mages who had it coming". May be you think he should have refused and left the Venatori free to do their evil. Or is it that he is being paid to do it? Well, a guy's got to eat hasn't he? What is the difference to being paid as a free agent and working for the Inquisition?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 16:15:48 GMT
Yes I know about the slaves in the Wigmaker Job, but if they were part of the mission sounds like he’d kill them without a second thought. You don't know that. Illario certainly would and he objected to Lucanis in a way that suggested that is not how they had been trained to do it. That is what we can find out about him. Whether that was just a one off or if there is some sort of personal morality in there. Is that why he faked his death, so he could decide his targets and not his grandmother/the organisation? He seems to have been in Tevinter probably longer than he was meant to be. Illario had been specifically sent to bring him back and even then he didn't return immediately but insisted on doing that job first. He said about them having been trained to fulfill contracts but I got the impression that this was something he had taken on himself, not under the direction of Caterina, yet operating that far from home would I assume be something that would normally be arranged via her. There was something he wasn't telling Illario. Also, I noticed in Eight Little Talons that Viago assumed that if Caterina wanted to wipe out another House she would recall Lucanis to do it. Perhaps he was getting a little tired of being seen in that role. It is not that he minds killing but doing it indiscriminately at the whims of Caterina. I would point out in that respect that we do a lot of killing in these games. Hawke gained entrance to Kirkwall by being contracted for a year to either a mercenary band or smugglers. Whilst you can argue that the latter wouldn't automatically involve killing for money, the reality is it probably would. Then the whole of the first Act involved us raising the funds to finance the trip to the Deep Roads. Lots of killing for money there too. So, don't be too quick to judge a character simply because they were raised from a child to be a killer, without getting to know them a bit better first. After all, I really didn't like Dorian's attitude to slavery when we spoke about it in Inquisition but it turns out his contact with the Inquisition did alter his outlook and he ended up freeing all his slaves as a result when he returned home. May be his time in Tevinter had begun to make Lucanis question not his profession as an assassin but who he worked for. He thought there was nothing wrong in being paid to kill "racist blood mages who had it coming". May be you think he should have refused and left the Venatori free to do their evil. Or is it that he is being paid to do it? Well, a guy's got to eat hasn't he? What is the difference to being paid as a free agent and working for the Inquisition? But we do know that. They just said that he sees assassination as just a job. That sounds exactly like Zevran’s mindset, where if he’s hired to kill someone he doesn’t care if it’s an innocent person or not he’s going to murder them because it’s what he was hired to do. That line from Viago suggests he’s done stuff like completely extermination families, including children and innocent members, before as well. Hawke is never forced to take on a job that involves killing people for a paycheck. Big difference between killing people trying to kill you and murdering people. Neat, hope his time in the Veilguard makes him not a piece of shit that would murder even a child for coin just because it’s his 9 to 5.
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John Epler is at SDCC @eplerjc.bsky.social absolutely one of the coolest 2 days of my life
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but if you see me around please feel free to say hello!
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 27, 2024 17:04:39 GMT
how many characters do you see as a boyscout? I only can see Davrin and maaaayyybbbeee Harding in the role. I can't comment on the current bunch. My concern follows my dislike of the MEA cast. The DAI cast were alright.
Hm... looking at the companions, none are scouts, boy or girl, in my book. All have an easy time at killing.
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Post by Sartoz on Jul 27, 2024 17:26:50 GMT
Since when? It would be far easier to count the heroic 'boy scouts' morally upstanding characters in BioWare games then it would be to do the morally gray ones or even ones that stray a bit more into the black teritory. Afterall we have had Solas as our companion at one point. Since the story is pretty much always about saving the world in some way (barring DA2, which is my favorite story-wise for this exact reason), that's what I mean by 'heroic narrative'. As for the characters, I'm not saying they're all boy scouts, I'm saying almost all of them are doing what they're doing for some just - in their eyes at least - cause. Even Solas wants to 'unslave' the elves, or spirits, or whatever it is that he's doing. And then we of course have all the supposedly morally gray characters who nevertheless have a hidden heart of gold, like the Lucanis situation with his disgust at the treatment of the slaves, Neve also fighting for the slaves with the resistance, etc. I expect all of our companions will ultimately want to 'do the right thing'. I'm not complaining about it per se, I'm just saying we very rarely get companions in modern BW who are unapologetically selfish and amoral and only in it for their own benefit, like Astarion. I personally like these characters, and would also like to be able to play my character as not in this for some greater good. Fine, I can save the world, but only because it's where I keep all my stuff, and don't expect me to help old ladies across the street while I'm doing it. In the old BG (EE) my go to team usually included Viconia, Edwin, Xzar, Montaron and Dorn... and even then it kind of turned the game into a Benny Hill-esque run across the maps to escape the Flaming Fist, so not exactly a supported playstyle, despite having the option.
Lucanis fits the mold of a psychopath. He lacks remorse. He is a successful contract killer ( another Jimmy Moody ) who can compartmentalize and detach himself from the victim's humanity.
Yesirreee, we "hire" a hitman to be part of our "family". Anyone who wants to romance this guy is in serious need of a wake up call,... imo. Plus, by "hiring" this killer we become amoral as well. .... just saying.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2024 17:58:06 GMT
Lucanis fits the mold of a psychopath. People are making a lot of assumptions here. It's true he is a professional assassin but he was groomed into that role from a child by being beaten and starved into his mindset. That doesn't necessarily mean he can't be altered out of it. He is a successful contract killer ( another Jimmy Moody ) who can compartmentalize and detach himself from the victim's humanity. Strange he didn't detach himself from the humanity of the victims of Forfex. If anything it was empathising with their suffering that made him want to exact revenge on Forfex as a result. That isn't how the Crows normally do it. Illario was emphatic about that. I have to admit I found it very hard to sympathise with Forfex, anyone who supported him or protected him because they knew what he was doing for the sake of fashion and it was horrific. Yesirreee, we "hire" a hitman to be part of our "family". Anyone who wants to romance this guy is in serious need of a wake up call,... imo. Plus, by "hiring" this killer we become amoral as well. .... just saying. I find it hilarious you are taking this attitude bearing in mind the world in which the game is set. It is actually extremely hard to maintain an outlook in keeping with our real world morality. I try to play the hero but somehow the writers always like to trip me up somewhere along the way. I would point out that we don't yet know under what circumstances Lucanis joins the team, so may be we aren't hiring him. I shall start by befriending him as will be the case with all the companions and see how it goes from there. After my experience with Solas, I'm not taking anyone at face value this time round and to be honest at least with Lucanis I know what I'm taking on. Taash is a fortune hunter who doesn't mind taking risks; Emmrich is obsessed with corpses and strange burial practices and Bellara is part of a group that has been hanging around Arlathan Forest for the past 7-8 years at the same time as Solas was conducting his ritual, plus she has an obsession with triangles. Sheesh! Davrin seems okay and he has a fluffy griffon but he's a Grey Warden and look what they were prepared to do last game. Neve seems okay but her contact group the Shadow Dragons probably didn't get their name for nothing and their leader is called The Viper. To be honest, if I'm going to be picky, I'll just be left with Harding. Mind you, since I'm apparently going to have the Egg in my head perhaps I'm the one they are going to have to worry about.
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Post by theratpack55 on Jul 27, 2024 18:00:41 GMT
Lucanis fits the mold of a psychopath. He lacks remorse. He is a successful contract killer ( another Jimmy Moody ) who can compartmentalize and detach himself from the victim's humanity.
Yesirreee, we "hire" a hitman to be part of our "family". Anyone who wants to romance this guy is in serious need of a wake up call,... imo. Plus, by "hiring" this killer we become amoral as well. .... just saying.
And yet he has feels for the abused slaves. The game will make him a righteous vigilante with some issues you can talk him out of.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 18:04:40 GMT
I love how the defense for Lucanis is just comparing him to a cartoon villain. An evil person hating what an even more evil person did does not make them less evil.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 18:10:47 GMT
Lucanis fits the mold of a psychopath. He lacks remorse. He is a successful contract killer ( another Jimmy Moody ) who can compartmentalize and detach himself from the victim's humanity.
Yesirreee, we "hire" a hitman to be part of our "family". Anyone who wants to romance this guy is in serious need of a wake up call,... imo. Plus, by "hiring" this killer we become amoral as well. .... just saying.
And yet he has feels for the abused slaves. The game will make him a righteous vigilante with some issues you can talk him out of. Oh they are absolutely going to whitewash the Crows despite every non-Crow thinking they are evil.
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Post by theratpack55 on Jul 27, 2024 18:21:09 GMT
And yet he has feels for the abused slaves. The game will make him a righteous vigilante with some issues you can talk him out of. Oh they are absolutely going to whitewash the Crows despite every non-Crow thinking they are evil. Ah, common ground. I think we both would like BW to actually show how horrid some of those characters are, though for different reasons.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 18:26:03 GMT
Oh they are absolutely going to whitewash the Crows despite every non-Crow thinking they are evil. Ah, common ground. I think we both would like BW to actually show how horrid some of those characters are, though for different reasons. What are your reasons out of curiosity?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2024 18:30:31 GMT
I love how the defense for Lucanis is just comparing him to a cartoon villain. An evil person hating what an even more evil person did does not make them less evil. It might be possible to change his mindset though and make him less evil. That's what I am getting at. The fact that he recognised the inhumanity of what Forfex was doing and it bothered him gives me hope in that respect. That's why I keep pointing out that Illario was not bothered, objected to what Lucanis was proposing to do and said it was not how they had been trained. He certainly wasn't under any illusions that the Crows are heroes, even in their own country. I hope I'm not going to be forced into working with them but if the writers do this to us, then perhaps it will be helpful to have Lucanis along for the ride. Also, why is he working with us? The Inquisition was disbanded/reduced in side some 8 years ago so I doubt we have much left in the way of resources, so he can't be doing it for the money. Also bearing in mind we are going up against elven god mages, including Solas likely at some point, I think having Lucanis on side might be helpful. After all he is described as the Mage Killer. Would you rather you didn't save the world by rejecting him?
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Post by Reznore on Jul 27, 2024 18:33:53 GMT
It's a game. You can all romance those digital folks you shouldn't touch with a ten foot pole IRL.
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Post by theratpack55 on Jul 27, 2024 18:38:35 GMT
Ah, common ground. I think we both would like BW to actually show how horrid some of those characters are, though for different reasons. What are your reasons out of curiosity? Just that I viscerally like being evil in games, and if I can't, I like supporting the characters that are, in any way I can. It's very cathartic for me. Even better if they're not 'muahaha' evil, just everyday, self-serving evil. I'm a decent person irl, I believe, but there's just something about not giving a f..udge about all the bleeding souls in a game that satisfies me.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 27, 2024 18:40:27 GMT
Lucanis fits the mold of a psychopath. People are making a lot of assumptions here. It's true he is a professional assassin but he was groomed into that role from a child by being beaten and starved into his mindset. That doesn't necessarily mean he can't be altered out of it. He is a successful contract killer ( another Jimmy Moody ) who can compartmentalize and detach himself from the victim's humanity. Strange he didn't detach himself from the humanity of the victims of Forfex. If anything it was empathising with their suffering that made him want to exact revenge on Forfex as a result. That isn't how the Crows normally do it. Illario was emphatic about that. I have to admit I found it very hard to sympathise with Forfex, anyone who supported him or protected him because they knew what he was doing for the sake of fashion and it was horrific. Yesirreee, we "hire" a hitman to be part of our "family". Anyone who wants to romance this guy is in serious need of a wake up call,... imo. Plus, by "hiring" this killer we become amoral as well. .... just saying. I find it hilarious you are taking this attitude bearing in mind the world in which the game is set. It is actually extremely hard to maintain an outlook in keeping with our real world morality. I try to play the hero but somehow the writers always like to trip me up somewhere along the way. I would point out that we don't yet know under what circumstances Lucanis joins the team, so may be we aren't hiring him. I shall start by befriending him as will be the case with all the companions and see how it goes from there. After my experience with Solas, I'm not taking anyone at face value this time round and to be honest at least with Lucanis I know what I'm taking on. Taash is a fortune hunter who doesn't mind taking risks; Emmrich is obsessed with corpses and strange burial practices and Bellara is part of a group that has been hanging around Arlathan Forest for the past 7-8 years at the same time as Solas was conducting his ritual, plus she has an obsession with triangles. Sheesh! Davrin seems okay and he has a fluffy griffon but he's a Grey Warden and look what they were prepared to do last game. Neve seems okay but her contact group the Shadow Dragons probably didn't get their name for nothing and their leader is called The Viper. To be honest, if I'm going to be picky, I'll just be left with Harding. Mind you, since I'm apparently going to have the Egg in my head perhaps I'm the one they are going to have to worry about. Yeah whils tI'm used t ohavin gsomeone in m yhead so i tdoesn' t bother me that much we ma ybe the ones to worry about given we are the ones filled with scarambled egg.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 27, 2024 18:43:22 GMT
It's a game. You can all romance those digital folks you shouldn't touch with a ten foot pole IRL. Indeed end of the day it's jus ta stor yset in a fantas yworld.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 27, 2024 18:48:27 GMT
Anyone who wants to romance this guy is in serious need of a wake up call,... imo.
I suggest you take your own advice since you seem to have a tendency to believe the way people consume fiction has any true bearing on who they are in real life. Chill, it's fiction, it's not that serious.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 19:15:57 GMT
What are your reasons out of curiosity? Just that I viscerally like being evil in games, and if I can't, I like supporting the characters that are, in any way I can. It's very cathartic for me. Even better if they're not 'muahaha' evil, just everyday, self-serving evil. I'm a decent person irl, I believe, but there's just something about not giving a f..udge about all the bleeding souls in a game that satisfies me. Ah. Yeah, we want the same thing but for different reasons.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 27, 2024 19:23:07 GMT
I love how the defense for Lucanis is just comparing him to a cartoon villain. An evil person hating what an even more evil person did does not make them less evil. It might be possible to change his mindset though and make him less evil. That's what I am getting at. The fact that he recognised the inhumanity of what Forfex was doing and it bothered him gives me hope in that respect. That's why I keep pointing out that Illario was not bothered, objected to what Lucanis was proposing to do and said it was not how they had been trained. He certainly wasn't under any illusions that the Crows are heroes, even in their own country. I hope I'm not going to be forced into working with them but if the writers do this to us, then perhaps it will be helpful to have Lucanis along for the ride. Also, why is he working with us? The Inquisition was disbanded/reduced in side some 8 years ago so I doubt we have much left in the way of resources, so he can't be doing it for the money. Also bearing in mind we are going up against elven god mages, including Solas likely at some point, I think having Lucanis on side might be helpful. After all he is described as the Mage Killer. Would you rather you didn't save the world by rejecting him? He's not the only Mage Killer. There’s another that’s already working with us via Marius. And he’s not scum of the earth like Lucanis. And ignoring titles there’s plenty of people better than him. As I said, good I hope his time with the Veilguard makes him not as much a piece of shit. Still doesn’t make me forgive him for his despicable crimes or want him because of it. Yeah, really hope we’re not forced to work with and support the Crows. If the writers do do this, no it’ll absolutely suck whether he’s with us or not. Probably more since he’ll be defending even parts of it. Maybe he has a lung disease so joins us to put a little light in the world before he dies.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 27, 2024 19:26:50 GMT
Since when? It would be far easier to count the heroic 'boy scouts' morally upstanding characters in BioWare games then it would be to do the morally gray ones or even ones that stray a bit more into the black teritory. Afterall we have had Solas as our companion at one point. Since the story is pretty much always about saving the world in some way (barring DA2, which is my favorite story-wise for this exact reason), that's what I mean by 'heroic narrative'. As for the characters, I'm not saying they're all boy scouts, I'm saying almost all of them are doing what they're doing for some just - in their eyes at least - cause. Even Solas wants to 'unslave' the elves, or spirits, or whatever it is that he's doing. And then we of course have all the supposedly morally gray characters who nevertheless have a hidden heart of gold, like the Lucanis situation with his disgust at the treatment of the slaves, Neve also fighting for the slaves with the resistance, etc. I expect all of our companions will ultimately want to 'do the right thing'. I'm not complaining about it per se, I'm just saying we very rarely get companions in modern BW who are unapologetically selfish and amoral and only in it for their own benefit, like Astarion. I personally like these characters, and would also like to be able to play my character as not in this for some greater good. Fine, I can save the world, but only because it's where I keep all my stuff, and don't expect me to help old ladies across the street while I'm doing it. In the old BG (EE) my go to team usually included Viconia, Edwin, Xzar, Montaron and Dorn... and even then it kind of turned the game into a Benny Hill-esque run across the maps to escape the Flaming Fist, so not exactly a supported playstyle, despite having the option. Sera, Vivienne, and Peebee say hello. Two of these characters remain stuck in their selfish ways. And shouldn't most people want to save the world or solve the crisis of the setting? Didn't even Astarion, at least initially, want the worm out of his head? Heck, correct me if I'm wrong, but can't the player moderate Astarions excesses? Wanting to save the world so someone can exist in it is pretty mandatory. But with such a broad objective there can be loads of reasons for doing so and personality types that are attracted to the cause.
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