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Post by smilesja on Aug 13, 2024 21:09:38 GMT
I was trying to avoi dasying that dreaded word.
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Post by jennica on Aug 13, 2024 21:16:38 GMT
Tbh, the interviews, Discord Q&A etc. aren't the same things as actually showing the game. I have a lot of questions about the combat and i want to see gameplay from mid game. Still counts as marketing/ reveals though and still gives us an idea of what we can expect. And one way or another we will get a lot, if not all, of this will be shown. I understand that eventually they will show more. I just don't get why they can't simply say when exactely they'll show more. "Somewhere in August" just doesn't cut it. And i'm not even on the fence about bying the game, but a lot of people are.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 13, 2024 21:17:16 GMT
I have to admit, I'm getting a bit antsy. We're about halfway through August without a peep from Bioware. #soon SOoN
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Post by colfoley on Aug 13, 2024 21:19:23 GMT
Still counts as marketing/ reveals though and still gives us an idea of what we can expect. And one way or another we will get a lot, if not all, of this will be shown. I understand that eventually they will show more. I just don't get why they can't simply say when exactely they'll show more. "Somewhere in August" just doesn't cut it. And i'm not even on the fence about bying the game, but a lot of people are. that is fair. When they announced the road map I assumed it was going to be for the entire month roughly and when they didn't was a bit disappointing. Understandable since they didn't say, but still.
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 13, 2024 21:19:43 GMT
Pepperidge farm remembers when they said there would be reveals all summer. and have there not been? We've gotten a trailer, gameplay reveal, two major magazine covers, several smaller interviews, a comic con panel, and constant answered questions on Discord in the last two months. Things have been A LITTLE slow for the last week but they can't reveal it all at once, we will get a lot more before release, and they probably need time to put a few finishing touches on things and finalize plans because everyone knows how much gamers hate inaccurate information. No. Most of the info was splurged in June. Articles since have been largely regurtating info we already know.
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Post by river82 on Aug 13, 2024 21:40:57 GMT
Got question for everyone, given some comments made by a BioWare developer in a recent article. When you all hear a developer say, "Modern Audiences," what's your initial perception and what do you believe the term means? I have honestly no idea. I don't remember ever talking to a gaming person who considered themselves part of those "modern audiences". Also, why the plural? Is there more than one and if so, what's the difference between them? It's probably just marketing speak though.I just hope it's not a nice sounding way of saying "we're ditching our old fan base and are going for a new one". This is my opinion also. It's an industry buzzword that is so vague it means very little, but it sounds good, and audiences (as a plural) means addressing many different groups, so a modern triple A game that will appeal to many different groups. Which is nothing new, because AAA is all about reaching as many people as possible.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 13, 2024 22:09:00 GMT
and have there not been? We've gotten a trailer, gameplay reveal, two major magazine covers, several smaller interviews, a comic con panel, and constant answered questions on Discord in the last two months. Things have been A LITTLE slow for the last week but they can't reveal it all at once, we will get a lot more before release, and they probably need time to put a few finishing touches on things and finalize plans because everyone knows how much gamers hate inaccurate information. No. Most of the info was splurged in June. Articles since have been largely regurtating info we already know. which is how marketing basically works. A lot of information regardless of genre is basically regurgitated in interviews/ articles and a lot of movie teasers keep showing off the same scenes over and over. Slowly you'll get expansion and a drip feed of new info but until major tent poles get released nothing will really change. And honestly prefer that, gotta leave some mystery for the game.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 13, 2024 22:15:45 GMT
they already dropped a roadmap and used that exact terminology for their initial marketing blitz in June. It's unusual but there is precedent for it now and it's not BioWare's fault tech radar doesn't pay attention.
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Post by river82 on Aug 13, 2024 22:20:32 GMT
they already dropped a roadmap and used that exact terminology for their initial marketing blitz in June. It's unusual but there is precedent for it now and it's not BioWare's fault tech radar doesn't pay attention. Really? Woooooow Bioware. Why is it every time I come back to Bioware I feel like I've taken a step outside of the gaming community into a weird kind of isolated bubble?
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Post by ClarkKent on Aug 13, 2024 22:30:59 GMT
No. Most of the info was splurged in June. Articles since have been largely regurtating info we already know. which is how marketing basically works. A lot of information regardless of genre is basically regurgitated in interviews/ articles and a lot of movie teasers keep showing off the same scenes over and over. Slowly you'll get expansion and a drip feed of new info but until major tent poles get released nothing will really change. And honestly prefer that, gotta leave some mystery for the game. They are, by definition, not reveals then.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 13, 2024 22:36:18 GMT
Speaking of things and right on schedule.
Watching a BG III playthrough right now of one of my favorite YouTubeers to give him support etc and he ran into a problem which perfectly encapsulates the flaws of extreme player choice. He ran into this guy who goblins nearly tortured to death, healed him for info, and an option in the first line of dialogue? I am here to finish what they started! Attack. And like how utterly moronic. If i were shadowheart I'd be like 'dude I just wasted some healing magic on this guy screw this' and leave someone who is so stupidly evil. And like I get it, player choice. But video games don't have a limitless supply of resource. It's a small complaint but a writer had to waste their time and Larian had to waste their money and a programmer had to waste the data budget for the game all to accommodate a choice that could have been better spent on a far more sensible and nuanced.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 13, 2024 22:49:15 GMT
they already dropped a roadmap and used that exact terminology for their initial marketing blitz in June. It's unusual but there is precedent for it now and it's not BioWare's fault tech radar doesn't pay attention. Yet, dropping a roadmap with like two weeks until the month is over doesn't make a lot of sense. You might as well just reveal the thing. The only thing a roadmap would make sense is if it's from metaphorical now to release date.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 13, 2024 23:59:34 GMT
Wrex will show up at the elevator if Shepard doesn't talk to him before that. A/K and Tali are mandatory. Garrus OR Wrex are also mandatory, but you don't have to take both (and can shoot Wrex later) I knew about that. Just responding to Wrex. Best thing about doing that is it's the one time Shepard can talk smack to her by saying throwing her sorry a** back in the volcano. For those who might not know. The player can finish the game with only A/K, t'soni and Tali.
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Post by githcheater on Aug 14, 2024 0:07:37 GMT
Well a tleas t ewstill hav ehal fthe month. The ydi dpromis eu ssomething this month we just don't know when we'll get it.On August 31 PAX West starts August 30 ... so I am expecting nothing until the very end of August ...
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Post by colfoley on Aug 14, 2024 0:13:29 GMT
On August 31 PAX West starts August 30 ... so I am expecting nothing until the very end of August ... you know that makes sense. No matter what they have done its been around the same time as the conventions.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 14, 2024 2:30:04 GMT
Carly 🤐 @carlyqueue if theres no road map tmrw, i'll share a tidbit (that has been publicly announced but /i/ worked on it and thats the most important part)
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Post by colfoley on Aug 14, 2024 2:33:19 GMT
Carly 🤐 @carlyqueueif theres no road map tmrw, i'll share a tidbit (that has been publicly announced but /i/ worked on it and thats the most important part) Road map tommorow confirmed?
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 14, 2024 3:11:41 GMT
Carly 🤐 @carlyqueueif theres no road map tmrw, i'll share a tidbit (that has been publicly announced but /i/ worked on it and thats the most important part) Road map tommorow confirmed? Roadmap to the roadmap...?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 14, 2024 3:21:37 GMT
Road map tommorow confirmed? Roadmap to the roadmap...? Sadly I couldn't find the proper gif... And that will lead to another roadmap and then another roadmap!
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Post by SomberXIII on Aug 14, 2024 4:34:36 GMT
Road map tommorow confirmed? Roadmap to the roadmap...? As far as Bioware standards go, that's very likely to happen..
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 14, 2024 4:50:17 GMT
Road map tommorow confirmed? Roadmap to the roadmap...? Roadception
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Post by Grog Muffins on Aug 14, 2024 5:39:26 GMT
I followed Bioware's SWTOR roadmaps back when I played and they still managed the game and delays were pretty common. Even before Covid it wasn't rare that things would get pushed back so now, them promising a roadmap for the marketing at some point and a few weeks later we're still waiting for it, feels oddly... nostalgic. Speaking of things and right on schedule. Watching a BG III playthrough right now of one of my favorite YouTubeers to give him support etc and he ran into a problem which perfectly encapsulates the flaws of extreme player choice. He ran into this guy who goblins nearly tortured to death, healed him for info, and an option in the first line of dialogue? I am here to finish what they started! Attack. And like how utterly moronic. If i were shadowheart I'd be like 'dude I just wasted some healing magic on this guy screw this' and leave someone who is so stupidly evil. And like I get it, player choice. But video games don't have a limitless supply of resource. It's a small complaint but a writer had to waste their time and Larian had to waste their money and a programmer had to waste the data budget for the game all to accommodate a choice that could have been better spent on a far more sensible and nuanced. If you're talking about who I think you are, you must be on his Patreon because he doesn't have a video on Youtube, yet, so I can't speak as to what he himself says, but I can speak to what's in the game based on your description. 1. If you're talking about who I think you are, he is known to speak about pretty much everything that pops into his head, sometimes it leads to a longer idea he elaborates on, sometimes it's a short thing. From his ME playthroughs I saw that he sometimes got stuck on the fact there were Renegade options and he'd ask who would even choose some of them, as if expecting no one wanted to try playing an asshole Shepard, because he was playing mostly a Paragon Shepard, or idk, expecting the game to not show him the Renegade options? It was always a bit hard for me to understand his reasoning for why he felt some options shouldn't be present and obviously I don't know what he says exactly here, if he even says anything and this isn't simply your own interpretation of what you saw. In this situation in BG3, if he chose to heal the prisoner actively, not in dialogue, that is a choice he made because he might be going for a mainly nice run and allying with the Grove. However, a person who allies with the goblins instead and is going to attack the Grove would have no reason to keep that prisoner alive, they'd kill him or join in on the torture. That's the game offering the player different roleplay options for the route they take in who they ally with. What does it matter the order in which the options are resented to you? By the point you get to that guy you know this is a game where you need to read, if you don't read and choose an option you don't want by mistake that's on you, not on the game. 2. There are characters who react the way you're saying Shadowheart should react, because that's consistent with their personality. Wyll and Karlach are paragons of good and react badly if you do evil things, like say, doing a double genocide on the druids and tieflings, they tell you to get bent and leave. Shadowheart is not that person. Finding a prisoner on the verge of death, healing them and giving them false hope then seeing it turn to despair as you tell them you're still going to kill them, you just healed them to have more fun, is probably how she gets her rocks off. Just because she's a cleric doesn't mean she's good. She's a cleric of an evil goddess who wants to kill everyone and cover the world in darkness and she's very devout and wants to help fulfil that desire. She has very suggestive remarks if you let Abdirak flog you for Loviatar's favor, she was an "interrogator" (ie she tortured people) in her cloister, she would rather kill someone in their sleep instead of meeting them head on in combat if it raised her chances of survival, she'll manipulate who she can if she can benefit. She's an opportunist and a bit unhinged to begin with and it's a while before you can start influencing her to mellow out or outright enable her to go full degenerate. Above that she's out for her own survival, even if she'd not agree with the player's morals, the tadpoles are the biggest threat to her survival and you're following the best leads to get rid of them, so she sticks around. Saying Shadowheart should leave is ignoring who she is at this point in the story. So there is player agency met with the proper consequences from the proper characters that should react in certain ways based on their personalities, you just assumed the wrong one should act a certain way. 3. Given all the praise BG3 has had for its reactivity and given that this moment you mention is probably one of the results of player feedback from early access, I very much doubt anyone at Larian thinks this is a waste of anything. All their patches have added even more and they're releasing an official toolkit so players can go hog and do even more of what they want. There's a scene in act one where you find a gnome holding a fire above an explosive barrel and she threatens to blow you all up. You can talk her down but, if you don't trust your stats or rolls, you can also keep her occupied with a character while with another character you steal the barrel with successful stealth and sleight of hand rolls and she reacts appropriately when she notices the barrel isn't there anymore and relents. You know what all the players I saw attempt this and succeed did? Give glowing praise. They certainly didn't think it was a waste of anything. You seem to defend studios who make the games they want to make if those games align with what you want out of them but don't seem to offer the same courtesy to studios that make the games they want to make if they have features that you don't want or don't care about or misunderstand why they're there. Larian made the game they wanted for the playerbase they knew they had. You don't like that, fine, you're probably not the target, and it certainly doesn't warrant you calling it a waste of time and money or "moronic".
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Post by theratpack55 on Aug 14, 2024 6:14:11 GMT
Speaking of things and right on schedule. Watching a BG III playthrough right now of one of my favorite YouTubeers to give him support etc and he ran into a problem which perfectly encapsulates the flaws of extreme player choice. He ran into this guy who goblins nearly tortured to death, healed him for info, and an option in the first line of dialogue? I am here to finish what they started! Attack. And like how utterly moronic. If i were shadowheart I'd be like 'dude I just wasted some healing magic on this guy screw this' and leave someone who is so stupidly evil. And like I get it, player choice. But video games don't have a limitless supply of resource. It's a small complaint but a writer had to waste their time and Larian had to waste their money and a programmer had to waste the data budget for the game all to accommodate a choice that could have been better spent on a far more sensible and nuanced. How... how is that a flaw?
I can't tell you how many times a game gave me a choice between telling a n NPC "Yeah, I'll help you if you tell/give me the thing I want" or "Fuck off, I hate you!", and then after I select the help option the game automatically assumes it's because I'm a good guy and locks me out of doing anything bad to the NPC, when what I wanted was to lie to get the info!
This BG3 situation you talk of is exactly what I want from my RP perspective, as it gives me more options to RP. It's hardly "moronic" to get what you wanted from the rack guy and then off him to ingratiate yourself with the goblins, in fact I'd say it's much more logical than just going "Die, person I need something from, I'm EVIL muahaha!".
A somewhat similar thing that happens in Bloodborne – and mind you, BB isn’t exactly a game of many RP opportunities – if you go through all the effort to befriend Djura and promise him you’ll spare the beasts in his area, making him non-hostile, and then go and start killing them anyways, he’ll acknowledge it and go ballistic on you again, as it should be.
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