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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 18:04:20 GMT
Credit to cozyghoul on reddit for making this, it might be most emblematic of (my, anyway) emotional state toward Veilguard marketing ever seen: DAVe is the only game that i know which marketing campaign has been such a roller coster of emotions lmao.
And i am too curious why the latest trailer was mixed. I mostly saw positive reception.
IMO it's because one of the bigger youtubers (MattyPlays something something, don't remember the nickname) that was invited to try the game (and was generally positive about the experience) said that the trailer was boring - I assume it's mostly that, because many negative comments about the trailer are so similar in their description of what they don't like, that they sounds like they're parroting him... which wouldn't be new. A lot of annoying tourists keep repeating criticism of bigger youtubers, word for word, regardless how absurd they sound.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 18:09:10 GMT
Why the last trailer had mixed reception? I assume the cinematics were cool but it also really showcased how useless the companions are in combat. A heavily edited fight we got a few clips of 'really showcased' something? And that's despite a hundred or so people who tried it first-hand hardly said anything about companions being useless?
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 26, 2024 18:13:56 GMT
When I watched the Game Riot video, it seemed like companions were doing decent damage? During the ogre fight specifically I kept an eye on the health bar whenever they had an attack animation, and they took a decent chunk even without combos. Granted I'm pretty sure he was playing on easy, but that seems like best source over curated marketing videos.
edit: I also think people need to realize that action games inherently prioritize different things from a more classic dnd style combat. You can't design an action game with a true healer/support class character in mind, at least not in the same way, that's just not really how these types of games work.
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Post by jennica on Sept 26, 2024 18:20:46 GMT
DAVe is the only game that i know which marketing campaign has been such a roller coster of emotions lmao.
And i am too curious why the latest trailer was mixed. I mostly saw positive reception.
IMO it's because one of the bigger youtubers (MattyPlays something something, don't remember the nickname) that was invited to try the game (and was generally positive about the experience) said that the trailer was boring - I assume it's mostly that, because many negative comments about the trailer are so similar in their description of what they don't like, that they sounds like they're parroting him... which wouldn't be new. A lot of annoying tourists keep repeating criticism of bigger youtubers, word for word, regardless how absurd they sound. Just to clarify, i don't have a problem with anyone not liking the trailer. I was just surprised that apparently it received mixed reception, because from what i've seen it was mostly positive.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 26, 2024 18:23:49 GMT
DAVe is the only game that i know which marketing campaign has been such a roller coster of emotions lmao.
And i am too curious why the latest trailer was mixed. I mostly saw positive reception.
IMO it's because one of the bigger youtubers (MattyPlays something something, don't remember the nickname) that was invited to try the game (and was generally positive about the experience) said that the trailer was boring - I assume it's mostly that, because many negative comments about the trailer are so similar in their description of what they don't like, that they sounds like they're parroting him... which wouldn't be new. A lot of annoying tourists keep repeating criticism of bigger youtubers, word for word, regardless how absurd they sound. Don't people have their own opinions???? Although, that would explain the current complains all reading the same lately.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 18:23:57 GMT
When I watched the Game Riot video, it seemed like companions were doing decent damage? During the ogre fight specifically I kept an eye on the health bar whenever they had an attack animation, and they took a decent chunk even without combos. Granted I'm pretty sure he was playing on easy, but that seems like best source over curated marketing videos.
edit: I also think people need to realize that action games inherently prioritize different things from a more classic dnd style combat. You can't design an action game with a true healer/support class character in mind, at least not in the same way, that's just not really how these types of games work. It really may depend on the settings, although I've heard from more than one Youtuber who tried the game is that, if you (so, Rook as well) really want to do a lot of effective damage, you can't ignore combos and synergies with companions, because that's that combat system's magic sauce. Even in that edited fight we see that the most damage comes from performing successful combos.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 18:28:31 GMT
IMO it's because one of the bigger youtubers (MattyPlays something something, don't remember the nickname) that was invited to try the game (and was generally positive about the experience) said that the trailer was boring - I assume it's mostly that, because many negative comments about the trailer are so similar in their description of what they don't like, that they sounds like they're parroting him... which wouldn't be new. A lot of annoying tourists keep repeating criticism of bigger youtubers, word for word, regardless how absurd they sound. Don't people have their own opinions???? Although, that would explain the current complains all reading the same lately. That's the thing - people are entitled to their own opinions, but there's a suspicious amount of opinions that sound basically the same, or are taken verbatim from one source (like, I can trace it back to e.g. a certain Youtuber publishing a video and making a specific observation, only for comments to fill with that exact observation/criticism repeated ad nauseam)
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Post by Grog Muffins on Sept 26, 2024 19:16:50 GMT
edit: I also think people need to realize that action games inherently prioritize different things from a more classic dnd style combat. You can't design an action game with a true healer/support class character in mind, at least not in the same way, that's just not really how these types of games work. It's not about realizing this or not. I think people have realized pretty well this is going to be an action game with RPG elements. Realization doesn't mean you have to like it, though. I don't like the combat. I've not liked it since it was first shown off. I tried giving it a shot, I left the videos alone, came back to them after weeks of not watching anything or reading anything to have a fresh mind and perspective and I just don't like it. I also can't say the State of Play video with the dragon outright ignoring the companions and only attacking Rook as if the companions weren't people on the same battlefield made it any more appealing to me. I appreciated the decluttering of the screen and UI but the way the companions were involved did nothing for me.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2024 19:18:59 GMT
edit: I also think people need to realize that action games inherently prioritize different things from a more classic dnd style combat. You can't design an action game with a true healer/support class character in mind, at least not in the same way, that's just not really how these types of games work. It's not about realizing this or not. I think people have realized pretty well this is going to be an action game with RPG elements. Realization doesn't mean you have to like it, though. I don't like the combat. I've not liked it since it was first shown off. I tried giving it a shot, I left the videos alone, came back to them after weeks of not watching anything or reading anything to have a fresh mind and perspective and I just don't like it. I also can't say the State of Play video with the dragon outright ignoring the companions and only attacking Rook as if the companions weren't people on the same battlefield made it any more appealing to me. I appreciated the decluttering of the screen and UI but the way the companions were involved did nothing for me. ah yes that...pretty heavy RPG elements.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 26, 2024 19:23:00 GMT
edit: I also think people need to realize that action games inherently prioritize different things from a more classic dnd style combat. You can't design an action game with a true healer/support class character in mind, at least not in the same way, that's just not really how these types of games work. It's not about realizing this or not. I think people have realized pretty well this is going to be an action game with RPG elements. Realization doesn't mean you have to like it, though. I don't like the combat. I've not liked it since it was first shown off. I tried giving it a shot, I left the videos alone, came back to them after weeks of not watching anything or reading anything to have a fresh mind and perspective and I just don't like it. I also can't say the State of Play video with the dragon outright ignoring the companions and only attacking Rook as if the companions weren't people on the same battlefield made it any more appealing to me. I appreciated the decluttering of the screen and UI but the way the companions were involved did nothing for me. That's fine. I've disliked to outright hated the combat in every single Dragon Age game before now, so I understand the frustrations. But I also think there's a delineation to be made between 'I dislike this because it doesn't appeal to me' and 'I dislike this because it's a bad action game.' And since it's upfront about being an action game, that's generally the merit I'm going to judge it by. Edit: And I still think it’s fruitless to look for these nitty gritty details in promotional material. Marketing team is primarily thinking about making the game look cool and fun to play, and are going to focus on footage of dynamic shots of dragon lunging at the camera (I. E. Rook), not the full range of interaction between enemies and companions. At the very least, we know there’s a taunt ability and means to draw aggro.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 26, 2024 19:46:25 GMT
Don't people have their own opinions???? Although, that would explain the current complains all reading the same lately. That's the thing - people are entitled to their own opinions, but there's a suspicious amount of opinions that sound basically the same, or are taken verbatim from one source (like, I can trace it back to e.g. a certain Youtuber publishing a video and making a specific observation, only for comments to fill with that exact observation/criticism repeated ad nauseam) They keep mentioning Concord for some reason lol.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2024 20:00:34 GMT
That's the thing - people are entitled to their own opinions, but there's a suspicious amount of opinions that sound basically the same, or are taken verbatim from one source (like, I can trace it back to e.g. a certain Youtuber publishing a video and making a specific observation, only for comments to fill with that exact observation/criticism repeated ad nauseam) They keep mentioning Concord for some reason lol. yeah this thing bad we relate to other thing bad because both things bad.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 26, 2024 20:05:52 GMT
Grasping at straws. They search the sewers for the emporium and accost poor urchin.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2024 20:07:54 GMT
Grasping at straws. They search the sewers for the emporium and accost poor urchin. leave Urchin alone.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Sept 26, 2024 20:08:03 GMT
Edit: And I still think it’s fruitless to look for these nitty gritty details in promotional material. Marketing team is primarily thinking about making the game look cool and fun to play, and are going to focus on footage of dynamic shots of dragon lunging at the camera (I. E. Rook), not the full range of interaction between enemies and companions. At the very least, we know there’s a taunt ability and means to draw aggro. Maybe. That's a reason why I'm still trying to find a way to give the game a chance and not writing it off completely. I'm discouraged from buying at launch but will check out what it actually is like from streamers and let's players. I won't be able to really play it before New Year's even if I was frothing at the mouth for it, anyway, so no skin off my nose either way.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 20:08:30 GMT
That's the thing - people are entitled to their own opinions, but there's a suspicious amount of opinions that sound basically the same, or are taken verbatim from one source (like, I can trace it back to e.g. a certain Youtuber publishing a video and making a specific observation, only for comments to fill with that exact observation/criticism repeated ad nauseam) They keep mentioning Concord for some reason lol. Concord was a spectacular flop, but it's also a different game entirely. I have to wonder what will happen if it turns out that DAVe is a success, or at least that it sells in decent numbers - I already saw them questioning (more like: screaming about) EA revealing in shareholder memo that DAVe is holding within expectations as far as preorders go, going as far as accusing EA for creating fake preorders
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 26, 2024 20:12:45 GMT
A heavily edited fight we got a few clips of 'really showcased' something? And that's despite a hundred or so people who tried it first-hand hardly said anything about companions being useless? Well, yeah it does. You see how little damage the companions do and how the dragon completely ignores them and goes for the player instead. It's like they are just there for decoration and occasional quips.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2024 20:13:42 GMT
They keep mentioning Concord for some reason lol. Concord was a spectacular flop, but it's also a different game entirely. I have to wonder what will happen if it turns out that DAVe is a success, or at least that it sells in decent numbers - I already saw them questioning (more like: screaming about) EA revealing in shareholder memo that DAVe is holding within expectations as far as preorders go, going as far as accusing EA for creating fake preorders saw another post today where VGs PO numbers are low so flop in the making. Of course generally speaking gamers are typically very anti pre order...I am a bit to...but then they go around saying pre order numbers are some massive indication.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 26, 2024 20:13:43 GMT
IDK if people noticed but the companions in the videos had very weak weapons equipped. I imagine the whole point is to emphasize Rook's gameplay. Enemies dying too fast would ruin the showcase. It's the same reason the player often does questionable actions. They aren't being efficient. They want to show the kit which means doing weird stuff to show you the different parts of the gameplay. Another comparable example is the first combat showcase. They were adding additional context every time they entered a new area, like first encounter was showing light and ranged attacks. Second showed dodging. Third showed abilities etc. but people were going out of their way to criticize how shallow it was.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 26, 2024 20:14:35 GMT
A heavily edited fight we got a few clips of 'really showcased' something? And that's despite a hundred or so people who tried it first-hand hardly said anything about companions being useless? Well, yeah it does. You see how little damage the companions do and how the dragon completely ignores them and goes for the player instead. It's like they are just there for decoration and occasional quips. more gameplay I see the more it seems that companions are as useful as Rook.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 20:23:43 GMT
A heavily edited fight we got a few clips of 'really showcased' something? And that's despite a hundred or so people who tried it first-hand hardly said anything about companions being useless? Well, yeah it does. You see how little damage the companions do and how the dragon completely ignores them and goes for the player instead. It's like they are just there for decoration and occasional quips. We see the most damage inflicted with successful combos between Rook and companions. As already mentioned, people who actually played the game, mentioned not that companions are useless, but that the whole team is most effective and does the most damage through combos and synergies. If anything, the few clips we got appear to confirm just that.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 26, 2024 20:24:54 GMT
Concord was a spectacular flop, but it's also a different game entirely. I have to wonder what will happen if it turns out that DAVe is a success, or at least that it sells in decent numbers - I already saw them questioning (more like: screaming about) EA revealing in shareholder memo that DAVe is holding within expectations as far as preorders go, going as far as accusing EA for creating fake preorders saw another post today where VGs PO numbers are low so flop in the making. Of course generally speaking gamers are typically very anti pre order...I am a bit to...but then they go around saying pre order numbers are some massive indication. The very definition of 'damn if you do, damn if you don't'
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Post by themikefest on Sept 26, 2024 20:29:07 GMT
A heavily edited fight we got a few clips of 'really showcased' something? And that's despite a hundred or so people who tried it first-hand hardly said anything about companions being useless? Well, yeah it does. You see how little damage the companions do and how the dragon completely ignores them and goes for the player instead. It's like they are just there for decoration and occasional quips. I said in another thread it appears the purpose of having companions and the ability wheel is to have combo's. I want to see what the companions can do on their own without having rook hold their hand.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 26, 2024 20:30:04 GMT
They keep mentioning Concord for some reason lol. Concord was a spectacular flop, but it's also a different game entirely. I have to wonder what will happen if it turns out that DAVe is a success, or at least that it sells in decent numbers - I already saw them questioning (more like: screaming about) EA revealing in shareholder memo that DAVe is holding within expectations as far as preorders go, going as far as accusing EA for creating fake preorders EA being called liars for what they say in their shareholder meeting seems to happen a lot online.
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Post by jennica on Sept 26, 2024 20:30:37 GMT
Well, yeah it does. You see how little damage the companions do and how the dragon completely ignores them and goes for the player instead. It's like they are just there for decoration and occasional quips. more gameplay I see the more it seems that companions are as useful as Rook. I'd say Rook definitely deals more damage than companions, but i don't get why people say that companions are useless. You can use them for combos, for their support abilities/gear passives, to draw aggro from you (i saw enemies attack Neve and Lucanis, and i'm not sure they have any abilities that draw aggro like Davrin, for example) and yeah, aslo deal damage with their normal attacks, even if they will never be good at it as Rook.
They're pretty much like Mass Effect companions.
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