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Post by githcheater on Nov 23, 2024 2:17:20 GMT
Dragon Age the Veilguard is the 6th top selling game in the US for the month of October. It also accounts only for first 3 days of sales for Veilguard. In those 3 days we can feel confident it sold more than 1.5 million copies, because Sonic X sold that amount on Day 1 and yet Veilguard outsold it overall. Thanks for this info. How reliable is it? Would this data also include presales in October, but exclude presales be fore October?
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 23, 2024 2:17:53 GMT
I want to click on that spoiler so hard but I am also afraid of it like the last time I assumed that I was safe to click on something and turned out I wasn't. We use spoiler blocks for a reason. Stay away! 😄
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 2:37:02 GMT
Dragon Age the Veilguard is the 6th top selling game in the US for the month of October. It also accounts only for first 3 days of sales for Veilguard. In those 3 days we can feel confident it sold more than 1.5 million copies, because Sonic X sold that amount on Day 1 and yet Veilguard outsold it overall. Thanks for this info. How reliable is it? Would this data also include presales in October, but exclude presales be fore October? It's relliable, top marketing company. It includes presales and a few days of sales up until November 2nd. It is, though, not as rosy as a lot of people make out. This is a US chart remember Metaphor, for example, gets a lot of its sales from Japan which Veilguard will not get. So Metaphor selling lets say 2 million copies (generous). At least half of that is in Japan which Veilguard won't get, so 1 million copies. Let's say Metaphor sold 1 million copies excluding Japan in October. Veilguard sold less during by far the period it sells the most. It's also reportedly doing very badly in Europe. So yeah. You're probably looking at what, less than a couple of million? It's not great. I'm looking at reddit though and someone's like "Woooo 12 million by May" *rolls eyes*. People really need to learn how to read charts EDIT: Jesus even Croatsky up above says Veilguard sold more than 1.5 million because it sold more than Sonic which sold 1.5 million. No. It outsold Sonic in the US but Sonic has Japan numbers to boost the numbers up. Like for real people ...
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Post by smilesja on Nov 23, 2024 2:43:51 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing.
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Post by SomberXIII on Nov 23, 2024 2:56:25 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. I also love that suddenly Japanese markets are very relevant to Veilguard's success. Most western games never perform well in that region so why does it become that important for Veilguard. Goalpost logic is weird. I understood what they were trying to say but still..
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Post by themikefest on Nov 23, 2024 3:01:08 GMT
Congratulations BioWare! Looks like people still care about Dragon Age after all! I would be curious how many people purchased the game played the previous DA games vs the people that didn't with DAV being their first DA game.
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Post by azarhal on Nov 23, 2024 3:09:29 GMT
I want to click on that spoiler so hard but I am also afraid of it like the last time I assumed that I was safe to click on something and turned out I wasn't. If you are talking about mine. There is a bit of act 1 stuff and DAI/Trespasser. The rest is 100% speculation.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 23, 2024 3:18:16 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. I also love that suddenly Japanese markets are very relevant to Veilguard's success. Most western games never perform well in that region so why does it become that important for Veilguard. Goalpost logic is weird. I understood what they were trying to say but still.. It's starting to become moving the goalposts at this point. Western games tend not to do well in Japan, and I don't expect Veilguard to perform well in that region.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 23, 2024 4:01:25 GMT
Dragon Age the Veilguard is the 6th top selling game in the US for the month of October. It also accounts only for first 3 days of sales for Veilguard. In those 3 days we can feel confident it sold more than 1.5 million copies, because Sonic X sold that amount on Day 1 and yet Veilguard outsold it overall. I don't want to be that guy, but because I often have to look at stats and figures, I need to ensure there's clarity with these types of things. It was only until yesterday that Sega announced that Sonic X had reached 1.5M in sales, and this was worldwide sales (not U.S.). This was not for the month of October alone. Again, I do this strictly for clarities sake. That being said, Metaphor: ReFantazio sold 1M units on the first day of the games release, which was Oct 11. Very likely, the game has likely reached 2M units sold by now, if not more. What's interesting here in the data you presented is that, on Playstation & Xbox, Veilguard actually OUTSOLD Metaphor in the October sales market. So, I think there's pretty good chance that the game [Veilguard] did indeed reach 1.5M units sold in it's first 5 days of launch (this graph includes up to Nov 2)
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Post by colfoley on Nov 23, 2024 4:10:48 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. I also love that suddenly Japanese markets are very relevant to Veilguard's success. Most western games never perform well in that region so why does it become that important for Veilguard. Goalpost logic is weird. I understood what they were trying to say but still.. keep in mind to, I'd the rest of the argument holds up,if we're talking 1.5 million copies just in the US at least then no we don't have firm numbers but I can't see that as anything other then encouraging.
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 4:37:02 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. I also love that suddenly Japanese markets are very relevant to Veilguard's success. Most western games never perform well in that region so why does it become that important for Veilguard. Goalpost logic is weird. I understood what they were trying to say but still.. What are you talking about? Did I say this? I said that worldwide numbers are not comparable when taking one region specifically because one game sells in different portions of the world at a much higher rate. It's not a hard concept
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Post by githcheater on Nov 23, 2024 4:37:07 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. Saying VG is "not as rosy" does not mean sales are "bad thing". JEEZ About one million in sales in the first three days after release is respectable (imho) even if not up to EA expectations. Given that the first six years of development are a sunken cost, hopefully the last four years of development costs will be offset by reasonable sales ... not bad given the middling response of most BSNers to VG in the following thread (just over 50% give a 4 or 5 rating) : bsn.boards.net/thread/20410/da-fans-far-gamePerhaps some BSNers probably should replace their glasses with glasses having more realistic, less rosier hue.
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 4:41:52 GMT
Dragon Age the Veilguard is the 6th top selling game in the US for the month of October. It also accounts only for first 3 days of sales for Veilguard. In those 3 days we can feel confident it sold more than 1.5 million copies, because Sonic X sold that amount on Day 1 and yet Veilguard outsold it overall. I don't want to be that guy, but because I often have to look at stats and figures, I need to ensure there's clarity with these types of things. It was only until yesterday that Sega announced that Sonic X had reached 1.5M in sales, and this was worldwide sales (not U.S.). This was not for the month of October alone. Again, I do this strictly for clarities sake. That being said, Metaphor: ReFantazio sold 1M units on the first day of the games release, which was Oct 11. Very likely, the game has likely reached 2M units sold by now, if not more. What's interesting here in the data you presented is that, on Playstation & Xbox, Veilguard actually OUTSOLD Metaphor in the October sales market. So, I think there's pretty good chance that the game [Veilguard] did indeed reach 1.5M units sold in it's first 5 days of launch (this graph includes up to Nov 2) 2 million is my estimate for Metaphor. Persona 5 sold what, 8 milion in 7 years. So probably comparable numbers because while Metaphor has hype and is newer, Persona has brand loyalty. It also sells much higher in Japan. Take a look at steamcharts for Metaphor, it's not as strong a title in the West as it is in Japan but that's okay. So when you take into consideration this is a US chart it stands to reason. I think 2 million for Veilguard up until present day is a nice, generous estimate EDIT: Okay Metaphor topped the Japanese charts in its first week with 100k physical copies sold, which doesn't include digital copies. That's not as high as I thought but most likely 20 or 25+% still from Japan depending on how many people buy digital copies
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 5:02:41 GMT
www.ign.com/articles/silent-hill-2-remake-sells-1-million-copies-in-less-than-a-weekSilent Hill 2 is 3rd on the charts with a million copies in a week. And imo again a significant portion comes from Japan. Undisputed sold 1 million copies in 2 weeks (Press release around the 24th so nearing the end of chart calculations) and they were 4th. So I'm feeling good about a 2 million worldwide as a generous estimate for Veilguard now.
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Post by biggydx on Nov 23, 2024 5:11:23 GMT
Probably not a bad bet. Then again, nothing speaks more clearly than getting those estimates straight from EA/BioWare themselves.
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Post by smilesja on Nov 23, 2024 5:27:51 GMT
It didn't take long for one person to say that Veilguard on the top ten is actually a bad thing. Saying VG is "not as rosy" does not mean sales are "bad thing". JEEZ About one million in sales in the first three days after release is respectable (imho) even if not up to EA expectations. Given that the first six years of development are a sunken cost, hopefully the last four years of development costs will be offset by reasonable sales ... not bad given the middling response of most BSNers to VG in the following thread (just over 50% give a 4 or 5 rating) : bsn.boards.net/thread/20410/da-fans-far-gamePerhaps some BSNers probably should replace their glasses with glasses having more realistic, less rosier hue. Given how people here have been told by BSNers who claim to wear those “realistic” glasses Veilguard has been doing poorly in sales and that it’ll definitely be the end of BioWare (tm) for the past few weeks, it’s actually good to see it do well in sales. Besides as shown by Gaider, BSNers make up a minority of the fanbase.
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 5:46:23 GMT
Saying VG is "not as rosy" does not mean sales are "bad thing". JEEZ About one million in sales in the first three days after release is respectable (imho) even if not up to EA expectations. Given that the first six years of development are a sunken cost, hopefully the last four years of development costs will be offset by reasonable sales ... not bad given the middling response of most BSNers to VG in the following thread (just over 50% give a 4 or 5 rating) : bsn.boards.net/thread/20410/da-fans-far-gamePerhaps some BSNers probably should replace their glasses with glasses having more realistic, less rosier hue. Given how people here have been told by BSNers who claim to wear those “realistic” glasses Veilguard has been doing poorly in sales and that it’ll definitely be the end of BioWare (tm) for the past few weeks, it’s actually good to see it do well in sales. Besides as shown by Gaider, BSNers make up a minority of the fanbase. My calculation was steamchart numbers times 7, then double it because consoles (90*7*2), and then multiply by 2 again because everyone said it sold much more on consoles. So 1-2 million first couple of weeks has always been my guess.
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Post by githcheater on Nov 23, 2024 6:21:37 GMT
Saying VG is "not as rosy" does not mean sales are "bad thing". JEEZ About one million in sales in the first three days after release is respectable (imho) even if not up to EA expectations. Given that the first six years of development are a sunken cost, hopefully the last four years of development costs will be offset by reasonable sales ... not bad given the middling response of most BSNers to VG in the following thread (just over 50% give a 4 or 5 rating) : bsn.boards.net/thread/20410/da-fans-far-gamePerhaps some BSNers probably should replace their glasses with glasses having more realistic, less rosier hue. Given how people here have been told by BSNers who claim to wear those “realistic” glasses Veilguard has been doing poorly in sales and that it’ll definitely be the end of BioWare (tm) for the past few weeks, it’s actually good to see it do well in sales. Besides as shown by Gaider, BSNers make up a minority of the fanbase. Did I claim it would be the end of Bioware? ... Please don't lump me in with the rage baiters. NO. I recall that I implied that Veilguard at launch was a top seller of new games or just behind COD . I have been concerned that VG not being RPG of the year might adversely affect sales, but I changed my vote from Maybe to NO in my Black Friday poll: bsn.boards.net/thread/20471/black-friday-sale-needed
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 23, 2024 9:12:28 GMT
Congratulations BioWare! Looks like people still care about Dragon Age after all! I would be curious how many people purchased the game played the previous DA games vs the people that didn't with DAV being their first DA game. Considering how few people finished DAI. I think it's more the later then the former.
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Post by Croatsky on Nov 23, 2024 10:17:50 GMT
Dragon Age the Veilguard is the 6th top selling game in the US for the month of October. It also accounts only for first 3 days of sales for Veilguard. In those 3 days we can feel confident it sold more than 1.5 million copies, because Sonic X sold that amount on Day 1 and yet Veilguard outsold it overall. I don't want to be that guy, but because I often have to look at stats and figures, I need to ensure there's clarity with these types of things. It was only until yesterday that Sega announced that Sonic X had reached 1.5M in sales, and this was worldwide sales (not U.S.). This was not for the month of October alone. Again, I do this strictly for clarities sake. That being said, Metaphor: ReFantazio sold 1M units on the first day of the games release, which was Oct 11. Very likely, the game has likely reached 2M units sold by now, if not more. What's interesting here in the data you presented is that, on Playstation & Xbox, Veilguard actually OUTSOLD Metaphor in the October sales market. *snipped images* So, I think there's pretty good chance that the game [Veilguard] did indeed reach 1.5M units sold in it's first 5 days of launch (this graph includes up to Nov 2) Also IGN has pointed out Veilguard's Steam sales figures are not included in this chart, this is why Veilguard get's ahead of Metaphor in ranking when PC sales are excluded.
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 10:38:48 GMT
I don't want to be that guy, but because I often have to look at stats and figures, I need to ensure there's clarity with these types of things. It was only until yesterday that Sega announced that Sonic X had reached 1.5M in sales, and this was worldwide sales (not U.S.). This was not for the month of October alone. Again, I do this strictly for clarities sake. That being said, Metaphor: ReFantazio sold 1M units on the first day of the games release, which was Oct 11. Very likely, the game has likely reached 2M units sold by now, if not more. What's interesting here in the data you presented is that, on Playstation & Xbox, Veilguard actually OUTSOLD Metaphor in the October sales market. *snipped images* So, I think there's pretty good chance that the game [Veilguard] did indeed reach 1.5M units sold in it's first 5 days of launch (this graph includes up to Nov 2) Also IGN has pointed out Veilguard's Steam sales figures are not included in this chart, this is why Veilguard get's ahead of Metaphor in ranking when PC sales are excluded. IGN didn't say Veilguard's steam figures were not included in their article. IGN's article puts an asterisk next to every game where digital sales were partially or wholly excluded, and those titles were Super Mario Party in 7th, The Legend of Zelda in 12th, and Minecraft in 16th www.ign.com/articles/october-2024-sales-charts-call-of-duty-black-ops-6-sparks-xbox-game-pass-subscription-surge
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Post by river82 on Nov 23, 2024 10:56:53 GMT
Oh you got it from Ducky Valentine replying about a chart on Circana's data sharing partners and which data was included. That's all well and good but if the final chart by Circana doesn't list Veilguard as one of those games where digital sales are excluded, then without a clarifying note from them you cannot assume those sales are excluded. They've specifically marked which games were missing part or all of their digital sales, anything else is assuming things on their behalf.
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Got a game update... at least that's what the EA App said... took a while to download. Having said that, I'm actively engaged in a side-quest to clear the Crossroads from corruption. Super annoying... It's a 3d chess game-like.... running back-&-forth... very tiresome.
This reminds me of a certain area in DAI.....
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Serious question. Why can Solas turn regular people to stone, but not the other two gods? It'[s likel ythey were were too poewrful fo rhim to b eabl et odo that Th eturn t ostone spell likel yonl yworks on mortals. He did say it took al the power he had t otrap the min the fade the way he did and tha twas jus tto trap them.
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Post by fairdragon on Nov 23, 2024 16:18:10 GMT
I think it was good for DAI, but it was crashed in DATV. If the old Good soul have had a meaning in DATV, it would make total sense. That in DAI the soul goes from kieran to flemeth/mythal as it was her plan. And it is the reason i hate the 3 choices in DATV. I know why they do it, but that doesn't make it good. I like DATV, but this is a big minus.
But taking OG soul from Kieran only happened in a minority of worldstates, because only a small minority of players chose to undergo the Dark Ritual in DAO. So, basically, it wasn't a canonized event; it's something that was entirely dependent on player choices and as such, it was impossible for it to play basically any significant role in any incarnation of Dragon Age 4. So no, noting "crashed" for DATV - because, as we now know from David Gaider himself, they have basically pivoted wholly away from OBG in Inquisition (and that version, like probably in many places in DAVe, existed only in earlier versions of the script and got reworked after it proved unviable) and it's Morrigan who remained relevant to the main plot, which is a thing that has been foreshadowed since DAO and reinforced in later content (DA2 and comic books), continued through DAI, only to culminate in DAV. I understand that. But they haven't even tried with DATV. Morrigan in the main role was given, but you could put some resources to make it different. 1. For the well choice. 2. For the OGB
I don't need many different things. But something like the Morrigan, Flemeth and Kieran scene would be cool.
Morrigan was set to be Mythal connection, but it could be a bit different, if she not drank from the well. Only needed a few different linies. No extra cutscene needed.
As for the OGB it could change the ending. Solas took flemeth power, we could have a diffent ending scene if solas also have the OBG. So a secret world ending. If they could make an aditional cut scene in DAI, it should have been possible for DATV.
The probleme was DATV have a big problem behind the scene with the direction it should take. And yes Gaider is right, it isn't easy to write something like that. But if you don't want to try, then don't give us choices in the first place. My opinion.
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