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Post by samhain444 on Jun 21, 2019 22:14:03 GMT
His contacts at BioWare have no problem talking to Jason so, if nothing has changed since article, you'd likely hear about it.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2019 22:46:29 GMT
Honestly from where I sit looking at the evidence (words from BioWare, commentary, the trailer) and not the speculation I am 95% confident DA4 will NOT be:
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Or 'Anthem with Dragons'
Andrew Wilson's comments do little to move the needle one way or another. It's Corporate speak and was talking specifically about Anthem.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 21, 2019 22:48:00 GMT
Hmmm.... I think you may have missed a very important component of that excerpt: “What the BioWare teams are thinking about is that we're going to build a lot of different types of games,” Wilson explained. “We're going to have our core BioWare audience that's been with us for a really long time. There are kids today who are 12 years old who weren't around when BioWare started making games… and they have different expectations of what a BioWare game should be in the context of the world they've grown up in. As a result of that, BioWare has to evolve and has to expand and has to test the elasticity of that brand. The teams at BioWare will continue to come to work every day and listen to their players old and new and seek to deliver on the promises they've made to those players. That's what you're seeing with Anthem today.”
While it's only natural to expect for games or game studio to change - it would happen with or without EA's pressure or whatevs, what Andrew Wilson is clearly stating here is that Bioware will produce more games and their portfolio will be diversified. Given that they're still talking about Anthem and that Bioware is expanding beyond their well-known ME and DA franchises with Anthem into a new type of game, it's quite clear that he means it in a way to suggest that Anthem is a game for newer type of gamer, while older BW fans will still have Dragon Age and potentially ME. Don’t think that’s at all what he’s saying, he’s saying anthem is supposedly for both. Don’t see anything in there that suggests dragon age will be for older bw fans. I suspect what you're missing is Andrew Wilson saying - before that final paragraph and in many more words - that Anthem being for both types of fans is what has resulted with main problems for the title (at least at launch). In other words, if you put the excerpt in the context of everything that was said on that topic in that interview it makes no sense for him to say that all Bioware games from now on will be 'for both types of players' when that's exactly where he himself sees and points it out as being major issue for Anthem. The only logical conclusion is that he recognizes (in this particular interview, at least) that they can't cater to both fans in one title and thus Anthem will go its own way and focus more on 'newer players', while older fans will have other titles to enjoy, which ATM can't be anything other than DA (and possibly ME). In the end, not much new was said - BW devs, even those who anonymously spoke to Jason Schreier about DA, have dismissed the idea that older BW franchises will be thoroughly 'Anthemized'. It was always supposed to be a different kind of game - only BW may still be figuring out how different it will be from their usual fare.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2019 22:50:42 GMT
Don’t think that’s at all what he’s saying, he’s saying anthem is supposedly for both. Don’t see anything in there that suggests dragon age will be for older bw fans. I suspect what you're missing is Andrew Wilson saying - before that final paragraphs and in many more words - that Anthem being for both fans is what has resulted with main problems for the title (at least at launch). In other words, if you put the excerpt in the context of everything that was said on that topic in that interview it makes no sense for him to say that all Bioware games from now on will be 'for both players' when that's exactly where he himself sees and points out the major issue was for Anthem. The only logical conclusion is that he recognizes (in this particular interview, at least) that they can't cater for both fans in one title and thus Anthem will go its own way and focus more to 'newer player', while older fans will have other titles to enjoy, which ATM can't be anything other than DA (and possibly ME). This is a bit of a disturbing take to me but it's probably an accurate one. And it even makes sense. |
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Post by river82 on Jun 21, 2019 22:56:59 GMT
If the next Dragon Age were to be aimed at the older Bioware fans, Laidlaw's more traditional take on DA:4 wouldn't have been scrapped.
And that's just a reflection of the realities of AAA gaming. Bioware's traditional audiences isn't taking them to where they (a decade ago they wanted 10 million players and never hit that mark), and probably EA, want them to be, and so they have to expand their traditional player base. Because AAA gaming is about appealing to the most number of people possible.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 21, 2019 23:06:48 GMT
ALIX WILTON REGAN @alixwiltonreganLet me tell you a story.... #acting #videogames #voiceactor #thebestisyettocome #VO 🎙💫🎈 pbs.twimg.com/media/D9nK8w5XsAATIxV.jpgMahariel @nymphedautomneAre there angry bears and sexy elves in it? ALIX WILTON REGAN @alixwiltonreganYesssssssssss 😋💁🏻♀️ Delphine Salu @delphinesaluDon't play me like this Alix, if this is DA IV work, I will lose my mind. ALIX WILTON REGAN @alixwiltonregan.... it’s DAI VIII !!!! (Evil evil evil Alix. Pure evil.) - Alix up to her usual shenanigans again, I see... 
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2019 23:12:56 GMT
If the next Dragon Age were to be aimed at the older Bioware fans, Laidlaw's more traditional take on DA:4 wouldn't have been scrapped. And that's just a reflection of the realities of AAA gaming. Bioware's traditional audiences isn't taking them to where they (a decade ago they wanted 10 million players and never hit that mark), and probably EA, want them to be, and so they have to expand their traditional player base. Because AAA gaming is about appealing to the most number of people possible. We don't know what has been scrapped and what has not been scrapped from the initial project/ vision and I find the notion to be really preposterous that they would just start over from scratch. Sure BioWare probably needs to expand and make revenue but that does not mean scrapping a SP DA 4 in favor of a MP one. |
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Post by river82 on Jun 21, 2019 23:24:16 GMT
If the next Dragon Age were to be aimed at the older Bioware fans, Laidlaw's more traditional take on DA:4 wouldn't have been scrapped. And that's just a reflection of the realities of AAA gaming. Bioware's traditional audiences isn't taking them to where they (a decade ago they wanted 10 million players and never hit that mark), and probably EA, want them to be, and so they have to expand their traditional player base. Because AAA gaming is about appealing to the most number of people possible. We don't know what has been scrapped and what has not been scrapped from the initial project/ vision and I find the notion to be really preposterous that they would just start over from scratch. Sure BioWare probably needs to expand and make revenue but that does not mean scrapping a SP DA 4 in favor of a MP one. In the design phase? Not that impossible to start over from virtually scratch. A bit time consuming but it's not like they haven't done that before *looks at Andromeda which was supposed to have hundreds of randomly generated worlds* Never said they were heading toward a MP DA:4, I said they were headed away from a traditional Bioware experience. For example, the initial project was going to be smaller in scope and more reactive, an idea which was scrapped because that sort of project won't bring in the continued revenue that EA is looking for. Morrison would be built for long term gameplay using live service, and if they go that route they've scrapped the much more reactive gameplay that is more of a traditional Bioware experience.
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Post by river82 on Jun 21, 2019 23:37:09 GMT
Disclaimer: I have almost walked away from Bioware as a fan so I really don't care what they do in their games for the future. I've found a couple of wonderful games I'm spending a lot of time with, and I'll be doing that for the foreseeable future. But don't design a game with a philosophy around generating long term revenue and pretend it was done to be enjoyed by older Bioware fans, because that is just so much BS it's offensive.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 22, 2019 0:36:42 GMT
OTOH, expecting the company which invented paid DLC to be adverse to long-term revenue isn't all that reasonable. This is a new business model, but so was that.
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Post by river82 on Jun 22, 2019 0:46:58 GMT
OTOH, expecting the company which invented paid DLC Xatrix and Interplay? 
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2019 0:50:02 GMT
Disclaimer: I have almost walked away from Bioware as a fan so I really don't care what they do in their games for the future. I've found a couple of wonderful games I'm spending a lot of time with, and I'll be doing that for the foreseeable future. But don't design a game with a philosophy around generating long term revenue and pretend it was done to be enjoyed by older Bioware fans, because that is just so much BS it's offensive. First off to your first post I do apologize for jumpingb the gun a little. To this post in particular...we don't know what form the live service will take. I know this is running into serious broken record territory...but it is the truth and also emphasizes the point I'm about to make. And I do say this as someone who considers myself an old bio fan (though not really old) and as someone whose loved their SP focused RPGs. And yes there are models of LS which would probably turn 4 into a disaster...but... When live service is done right I think there is no brighter future for the industry. Playing new, fresh, quality content after launch...perhaps for years? Having the ability to enjoy new DA 4 content years after launch? Sign me up please. |
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 22, 2019 3:35:33 GMT
GVMERS: The History of Dragon Age: Origins(Well narrated, and worth a watch just for the footage of a young David Gaider & Mike Laidlaw...  )
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 22, 2019 3:54:30 GMT
After a game ships, or after "bonus season" (or both), is typically when you see larger groups depart a studio. And that's common in the industry. Bungie back in April for example. It's not to say other factors can't play a role, but it's not a surprise that it's happening at this time (even if it is disheartening...).
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Post by colfoley on Jun 22, 2019 4:16:52 GMT
After a game ships, or after "bonus season" (or both), is typically when you see larger groups depart a studio. And that's common in the industry. Bungie back in April for example. It's not to say other factors can't play a role, but it's not a surprise that it's happening at this time (even if it is disheartening...). if in hear about any of the Big Four leaving late this year or next then I'll worry. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 22, 2019 4:47:56 GMT
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Post by biggydx on Jun 22, 2019 16:35:51 GMT
I know she is just teasing, but please be real and return as the protagonist in DA4. Who did she VO originally? |
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Post by melbella on Jun 22, 2019 16:44:21 GMT
I know she is just teasing, but please be real and return as the protagonist in DA4. Who did she VO originally? English voice fem Inquisitor
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jun 22, 2019 17:54:49 GMT
I know she is just teasing, but please be real and return as the protagonist in DA4. Who did she VO originally? "Additional voices" (DA2) Cauthrien (DAO/DAOTDC/HODA) Circle Tower Tranquil (DAO) Habren Bryland (DAO/DAOTDC) Harley (DA2) Howe Estate Cook (DAO) Howe Estate Maid (DAO) Lady's Maid (DAO) Lilley (DA2) Macha (DA2) Mage Sympathizer (DA2) Mhairi (DAOA/HODA) Petra (DAO) Ruvena (DA2) Sanga (DAO) Tamra (DAOA) The Inquisitor (DAI)
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Post by themikefest on Jun 23, 2019 0:47:53 GMT
She also voiced Samantha Traynor in ME3. excellent
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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2019 1:54:43 GMT
She also voiced Samantha Traynor in ME3. excellent and she is also your avatar |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2019 2:07:08 GMT
Her doing so many voices in Dragon Age is one reason why I never really use her (I also like Sumalee's performance better). The only Inquisitors that I used her as the voice were based off those other characters like Cauthrien and Mhairi.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 23, 2019 5:13:13 GMT
Her doing so many voices in Dragon Age is one reason why I never really use her (I also like Sumalee's performance better). The only Inquisitors that used her as the voice were based off those other characters like Cauthrien and Mhairi. That's a rather broad generalization, if I'm not misunderstanding you. It sounds like you're saying that because my Inquisitor had Alix Wilton Regan's voice, that I based her off of Cauthrien and Mhairi? 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 23, 2019 5:14:45 GMT
Her doing so many voices in Dragon Age is one reason why I never really use her (I also like Sumalee's performance better). The only Inquisitors that used her as the voice were based off those other characters like Cauthrien and Mhairi. That's a rather broad generalization, if I'm not misunderstanding you. It sounds like you're saying that because my Inquisitor had Alix Wilton Regan's voice, that I based her off of Cauthrien and Mhairi?  Oops, typo. I meant the only Inquisitors that I used her voice for. 
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 23, 2019 5:22:11 GMT
That's a rather broad generalization, if I'm not misunderstanding you. It sounds like you're saying that because my Inquisitor had Alix Wilton Regan's voice, that I based her off of Cauthrien and Mhairi? Oops, typo. I meant the only Inquisitors that I used her voice for.  Ok, I'm glad I asked. I was like "I didn't even remember/realize that Alix Wilton Regan had done the voices for those characters, so I'm not sure how there could be any sort of link there at all." I honestly just liked Alix's voice set better than Sumalee's, myself. To each their own. 
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