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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 0:48:00 GMT
So I just saw that DAV will not be using the Keep. Those few options that Bioware mentions you can select at the beginning of the game are probably to do with the Inquisitor, the status of the Inquisition, the goal of the Inquisitor in regards to Solas and if Solas was romanced. I doubt it's going to be anything as expansive as the Keep so new players aren't overwhelmed. It will be a little spoilerish as whatever they ask will most likely be involved in the game instead of being like DA:I where we didn't know what of the huge amount of inputs into the Keep would even show up. I don't see how they can do little cameos from all the small little things we did in previous games if there is no Keep import. I have mixed feelings on the Keep. On the one hand it's lets you set up a world state and allows Bioware to pull small things for cameos or callbacks if they want. On the other hand a online portal, while convenient, isn't guaranteed to exist forever, though on PC we'd certainly get something thrown together by someone. Kind of disappointed at this a little. All those DAI choices in the Keep become pointless and won't be used. Yeah that's my concern I wan t t okeep the Kep in som efornm as it's kin do fneeded fo rcarryoin gour world states into DAI even i fVeilguard isn't using it. I hope the ygive us an offlin evresion or patc h a vresion o fit int oDAI s owe can carry ou rchoices from Origin sand DA2 into it because I don' tthink I'd want ojus tbe stuc kwit hth edefaul tworld state.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 0:48:50 GMT
The thing about Solas is that while he is deceptive in what he pretended to be (a humble apostate), he isn't that good of a liar and tells the truth more often than not. He just withholds information. So, with that, when he *does* share information, it isn't that likely to be false, IMO. Especially since the writers no doubt used him as a mouthpiece to give us lore clues. Would be kind of pointless to turn around and say "actually killing the last archdemons will be totally fine and the evanuris were wise and kind rulers." Lying by omission is still lying. Actually, part of me would genuinely love that to be a twist. But lying in and of itself isn't something that only deceptive manipulators do. Our protagoniststs can lie too, sometimes for a good cause. Plus... while there's still a lot we need to know, virtually all the information we uncovered about Evanuris that's separate from Solas so far confirms what Solas said about them. Because yes - there's a way to verify at least some of Solas' claims and so far most of them hold water.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 0:53:28 GMT
Either way this sounds like a CC I might actually spend HOURs in like the cliche this time around. Gotta really get both Oliver and Kara's looks right... Hmmm wonder if they will worry about body sliders for the Inquisitor? Yea hwi ththe stran dhair I'm curious t ose ewha tthe hairstyles look like in the gameI've got a coupl eof ideas fo rm yfirs tRook but it largely depends on the hair
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 0:56:45 GMT
Lying by omission is still lying. Actually, part of me would genuinely love that to be a twist. But lying in and of itself isn't something that only deceptive manipulators do. Our protagoniststs can lie too, sometimes for a good cause. And that’s something that separates those heroes and Solas: he’s not doing it for a good cause. His cause is selfish and his plan involves mass murder which is objectively evil. Genocide. Is. Never. The. Answer.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 0:59:42 GMT
So I just saw that DAV will not be using the Keep. Those few options that Bioware mentions you can select at the beginning of the game are probably to do with the Inquisitor, the status of the Inquisition, the goal of the Inquisitor in regards to Solas and if Solas was romanced. I doubt it's going to be anything as expansive as the Keep so new players aren't overwhelmed. It will be a little spoilerish as whatever they ask will most likely be involved in the game instead of being like DA:I where we didn't know what of the huge amount of inputs into the Keep would even show up. I don't see how they can do little cameos from all the small little things we did in previous games if there is no Keep import. I have mixed feelings on the Keep. On the one hand it's lets you set up a world state and allows Bioware to pull small things for cameos or callbacks if they want. On the other hand a online portal, while convenient, isn't guaranteed to exist forever, though on PC we'd certainly get something thrown together by someone. Kind of disappointed at this a little. All those DAI choices in the Keep become pointless and won't be used. I'll mourn the Keep, but I also understand if they don't want to overcomplicate things - unless they'll find a way to integrate the Keep directly into the game or something. However, I do know how we could get little cameos that could only show up in a specific world-state - by giving us options while playing the game. Say, there's an NPC we'll be discussing a topic with and by choosing a specific dialogue option we will trigger a cameo appearance or it will alter something to reflect our past choices. Such things have been done before, for example in TW3.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 1:05:52 GMT
Either way this sounds like a CC I might actually spend HOURs in like the cliche this time around. Gotta really get both Oliver and Kara's looks right... Hmmm wonder if they will worry about body sliders for the Inquisitor? They'lllikely use the same CC acros sthe board jus tlik ethe ydid with Hawke in DAI
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 1:07:01 GMT
But lying in and of itself isn't something that only deceptive manipulators do. Our protagoniststs can lie too, sometimes for a good cause. And that’s something that separates those heroes and Solas: he’s not doing it for a good cause. His cause is selfish and his plan involves mass murder which is objectively evil. Genocide. Is. Never. The. Answer. In Thedas it apparently was. There are situations in life where there are only two crappy choices - not always, but there are. So: what would you do if a game didn't give you any other choice, like: either destroy a civilization, or KILL EVERYONE? I mean... I guess you could just switch off the game and refuse to make a choice. But in-story characters don't have such a luxury. And just refusing to make a choice for the sake of retaining moral purity, instead of saving what could be saved and facing the consequences... well, to me that's decidedly selfish.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 12, 2024 1:12:13 GMT
I just watched the gameplay. Combat was ok. The graphics look good. Wonder what a remade DAO would look like? When fighting the baddies, there was a spot without any railing. It would be nice if there's a talent that could throw/kick/push them off the ledge. What I'm curious about is the outfit's worn by companion's. Will the main character be able to craft those outfits to wear?
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 12, 2024 1:12:55 GMT
Well, I think I've managed to narrow it down to 3 Factions for the 1st PT... 1. Lords of Fortune: Definitely my jam and feels like a good fit for a first PT. 2. Veil Jumpers: Also my jam. The Dalish are my favorite race and honestly... these guys just sound like a cool group. 3. Shadow Dragons: Minrathous. And all the drama that entails. 'Nuff said. 4. The Mourn Watch: Necromancy! Oh - it's on the list, but maybe not for the 1st PT. 5. Antivan Crows: Intrigued of going deep into the organization, but I'm content to wait for now. 6. Grey Wardens: One day. Trouble is, Davrin has Assan, so he'll always be a cooler Warden than you!
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 1:13:55 GMT
Also worth noting that Solas's plan the first time decidedly did not result in genocide. Just that the Elves sort of lost their power.
ANd his second plan also clearly wasn't going to result in genocide...at least until we mucked it up. So whatever else or whereever else the story goes with him that part of it at least has been confirmed.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 1:14:45 GMT
Well, I think I've managed to narrow it down to 3 Factions for the 1st PT... 1. Lords of Fortune: Definitely my jam and feels like a good fit for a first PT. 2. Veil Jumpers: Also my jam. The Dalish are my favorite race and honestly... these guys just sound like a cool group. 3. Shadow Dragons: Minrathous. And all the drama that entails. 'Nuff said. 4. The Mourn Watch: Necromancy! Oh - it's on the list, but maybe not for the 1st PT. 5. Antivan Crows: Intrigued of going deep into the organization, but I'm content to wait for now. 6. Grey Wardens: One day. Trouble is, Davrin has Assan, so he'll always be a cooler Warden than you! Unless you get your own griffin.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 1:16:14 GMT
And that’s something that separates those heroes and Solas: he’s not doing it for a good cause. His cause is selfish and his plan involves mass murder which is objectively evil. Genocide. Is. Never. The. Answer. In Thedas it apparently was. There are situations in life where there are only two crappy choices - not always, but there are. So: what would you do if a game didn't give you any other choice, like: either destroy a civilization, or KILL EVERYONE? I mean... I guess you could just switch off the game and refuse to make a choice. But in-story characters don't have such a luxury. And just refusing to make a choice for the sake of retaining moral purity, instead of saving what could be saved and facing the consequences... well, to me that's decidedly selfish. No, there are no situations in life where there are only two crappy options. Most Solas fans think the point of the Redeem path is going to be pounding that lesson into Solas’s head. Any game that forces a choice like that serves as a great example of shitty writing, trying to seem profound and prove a point when it’s anything but. And what exactly is Solas saving when everyone is dead? He saves nothing. But he sees himself as the one who gets to decide the fate of all. No matter how you spin that, that is selfish.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 1:18:35 GMT
Also worth noting that Solas's plan the first time decidedly did not result in genocide. Just that the Elves sort of lost their power. ANd his second plan also clearly wasn't going to result in genocide...at least until we mucked it up. So whatever else or whereever else the story goes with him that part of it at least has been confirmed. Oh? Last I checked we learn countless elves died or suffered fates worth than death due to Solas’s first actions. As for this time, we already see countless people getting murdered by his actions and he barely even started. You don’t have to completely wipe out a race for it to be genocide. We have countless examples of that in our history.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 1:19:21 GMT
Well, I think I've managed to narrow it down to 3 Factions for the 1st PT... 1. Lords of Fortune: Definitely my jam and feels like a good fit for a first PT. 2. Veil Jumpers: Also my jam. The Dalish are my favorite race and honestly... these guys just sound like a cool group. 3. Shadow Dragons: Minrathous. And all the drama that entails. 'Nuff said. 4. The Mourn Watch: Necromancy! Oh - it's on the list, but maybe not for the 1st PT. 5. Antivan Crows: Intrigued of going deep into the organization, but I'm content to wait for now. 6. Grey Wardens: One day. Trouble is, Davrin has Assan, so he'll always be a cooler Warden than you! Unless you get your own griffin. I'm thinking Grey Warden Mage that romances Davrin fo rm yfirs tplaythrough as i tkind o fmake ssens epairing 2 grey wardens together like a female warden wit hAlistai rin DAO
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Post by colfoley on Jun 12, 2024 1:20:12 GMT
I really hope that they release the CC before the game now. Its going to take a WHILE to get it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 1:22:18 GMT
I really hope that they release the CC before the game now. Its going to take a WHILE to get it. Hope they do Early Access like they did with MEA.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 12, 2024 1:23:57 GMT
Also worth noting that Solas's plan the first time decidedly did not result in genocide. Just that the Elves sort of lost their power. ANd his second plan also clearly wasn't going to result in genocide...at least until we mucked it up. So whatever else or whereever else the story goes with him that part of it at least has been confirmed. Evil Hindu Goddess and Mortal Combat beetle villain just want to be our nice new blighted gods.
I wonder if they are going to aim for the Black/White Divines first or the Wardens. They don't look like the type who likes competition.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 1:24:01 GMT
In Thedas it apparently was. There are situations in life where there are only two crappy choices - not always, but there are. So: what would you do if a game didn't give you any other choice, like: either destroy a civilization, or KILL EVERYONE? I mean... I guess you could just switch off the game and refuse to make a choice. But in-story characters don't have such a luxury. And just refusing to make a choice for the sake of retaining moral purity, instead of saving what could be saved and facing the consequences... well, to me that's decidedly selfish. No, there are no situations in life where there are only two crappy options. Most Solas fans think the point of the Redeem path is going to be pounding that lesson into Solas’s head. Any game that forces a choice like that serves as a great example of shitty writing, trying to seem profound and prove a point when it’s anything but. And what exactly is Solas saving when everyone is dead? He saves nothing. But he sees himself as the one who gets to decide the fate of all. No matter how you spin that, that is selfish. There are totally situations in life where there are only two crappy options... and I have to say that it amuses me imagining anyone pointing at real life examples and just declaring them as shitty writing That's one way of coping with life being utter crap at times, I guess. Also - that's the thing - not everyone is dead. Solas decided to act, at great cost to himself and others, but thanks to that not everyone is dead (or hopelessly corrupted or whatever it is Evanuris tried to do). And since it's not like everyone died when Solas first destroyed the world, I have doubts everyone will just die when he'd do it the second time.
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Post by sni2 on Jun 12, 2024 1:24:19 GMT
"Lineage dictates things like your race - the usual Dragon Age quartet of elf, qunari, human, and dwarf - as well as your backstory, a long standing fan request. Backstories include things like factions - some returning, some new - which offer three distinct buffs each, like being able to hold an extra potion or do extra damage against certain enemies, and the odd reference in dialogue".
So, pretty much "lineage" is just race + faction, or is there more to the backstories?
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 12, 2024 1:24:21 GMT
I really hope that they release the CC before the game now. Its going to take a WHILE to get it. I'm anxious to see if it is as promising as has been teased. I love a good CC.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 12, 2024 1:27:16 GMT
I really hope that they release the CC before the game now. Its going to take a WHILE to get it. The yare planning onrevealing it a tsom epoin t we jus tdon't know when. But I d ohav ea rough idea o fhow I want my first Rook to look like as I'm thinkin gefmale with either shouldre length hair o rhair in a ponytail and I'm planning t omake her a cute blonde. But she's also going t obe a powerful and vrey skilled grey warden mage. O ra tleast that's my plan.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 12, 2024 1:28:38 GMT
And what exactly is Solas saving when everyone is dead? He saves nothing. But he sees himself as the one who gets to decide the fate of all. No matter how you spin that, that is selfish. Who care's about chuckles the clown? The elf is a total nutjob. He can save himself by accepting his death.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 1:29:44 GMT
Also - that's the thing - not everyone is dead. Solas decided to act, at great cost to himself and others, but thanks to that not everyone is dead (or hopelessly corrupted or whatever it is Evanuris tried to do). And since it's not like everyone died when Solas first destroyed the world, I have doubts everyone will just die when he'd do it the second time. Oh, so since he will only kill say 90% of the population it’s fine? Also-this is the thing-wiping out cultures even without wiping out every person in it is still genocide. And that’s exactly what his actions will do. And he still made that choice by himself, without their consent. We know this. Just like now. He’s just as totalitarian as the Evanuris he says as pure evil, so why should he be considered any better? Guarantee they were thinking they were doing what’s best too.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 12, 2024 1:31:07 GMT
And what exactly is Solas saving when everyone is dead? He saves nothing. But he sees himself as the one who gets to decide the fate of all. No matter how you spin that, that is selfish. Who care's about chuckles the clown? The elf is a total nutjob. He can save himself by accepting his death. Just baffled at the people who think BioWare is going to be pro-genocide with his story.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 12, 2024 1:37:36 GMT
Also - that's the thing - not everyone is dead. Solas decided to act, at great cost to himself and others, but thanks to that not everyone is dead (or hopelessly corrupted or whatever it is Evanuris tried to do). And since it's not like everyone died when Solas first destroyed the world, I have doubts everyone will just die when he'd do it the second time. Oh, so since he will only kill say 90% of the population it’s fine? Also-this is the thing-wiping out cultures even without wiping out every person in it is still genocide. And that’s exactly what his actions will do. And he still made that choice by himself, without their consent. We know this. Just like now. He’s just as totalitarian as the Evanuris he says as pure evil, so why should he be considered any better? Guarantee they were thinking they were doing what’s best too. How do you know he killed or will kill 90% of population? Also - no. Please don't use this serious term so frivolously: genocide is when one destroys and kills with intent of wiping certain people or their culture. Specifically. Solas has never done that, neither at the time of Evanuris or now. Destroying people is not his motivation. And if acting to do something about crappy situation and making choices that will ultimately affect others, with or without their consent, then every DA protagonist is as totalitarian and evil as Evanuris.
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