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Post by smudjygirl on Jun 24, 2020 23:13:31 GMT
My assumption is that there is a cure for the Calling, but it's an incredibly difficult cure to obtain and may require considerable sacrifice. Thus, the solution works for the Hero of Ferelden but is useless for the rank and file Wardens. I agree but with an added "we find out something that renders the Wardens useless so the ones that are around now will be the last." Purely because Solas was like "these idiots are doing what!?"
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 24, 2020 23:16:00 GMT
I would say that Riordan has made his feelings pretty clear about Anderfelian Wardens, even if he's tried to be diplomatic about it. The rumors of Weisshaupt revolt/war also does seem to support the assessment that there's something off about Wardens in Anderfels or - at the very least - the leadership in Weisshaupt. Yes, he doesn't like that they're not cuddly and warm because they've been screwed over by so many empires over the years and they're basically forced to play soldier and guard by their own king. I imagine that stuff like that would make anyone cold and not really care about what's going on outside of their country because they already have enough to deal with in their own backyard. Note that he doesn't say that they don't care about the Blight. And "some seem to like it that way" means that they all want the Wardens to continue being in charge? Sorry but I don't think Riordan, as nice and honorable as he might be, is much of an expert on the Anders or should be much of a trusted and unbiased source considering he went only once, we don't know how long he stayed there, and he most certainly has biases based on his own cultural background considering how he seems to feel sad and unsatisfied that the Ander Wardens weren't friendly and trusting without question. As for the rumours of what's going on in Weisshaupt? I'm not putting any money on rumours because I've kind of learned that they don't mean as much as we might think they do in this franchise. I'll rely on what we know for certain at this point.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2020 23:16:03 GMT
The Wardens will always be invaluable for the knowledge they possess. I'm sure a few of them know a thing or too about the Elven bits of the deep roads. The Weisshaupt tease at the end of DAI always struck me as a tease for DA4 DLC lol. If the story encompasses the Anderfels as well then DA4 will be a big boi. Yeah, I don't think we're done with the Grey Wardens; especially with the HOF off to cure the calling. Prediction: with the cure the calling and the reveal of the Tranquil cure. I wonder if will have to choose between curing the Wardens or revealing the Tranquil cure. They sorta leave both in the air. While these things may be connected, I personally think that Tranquil cure/mystery has less to do with Blight and more to do with the Veil and the Fade. More precisely, the Veil's effect on the population after it pushed the magic away from the world and "blocked most people's conscious connection to the Fade", to quote Solas - and why Solas's impression of most modern Thedosians is "like walking through a world of Tranquil". His current plan likely involves either doing something to the Veil or facilitating some way for the Fade to return to the world (thus the "world of elves", when it was part of the world). We already more-or-less know what happens to Tranquil who regain their connection with magic. Both Solas and Morrigan say that control of magic (and emotions, seemingly intrinsically connected to magic/Fade) is like a muscle - it deteriorates without use. So what would happen if magic is returned to people whose 'magic muscle' has largely atrophied or is hardly present?
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 24, 2020 23:19:53 GMT
The Wardens will always be invaluable for the knowledge they possess. I'm sure a few of them know a thing or too about the Elven bits of the deep roads. The Weisshaupt tease at the end of DAI always struck me as a tease for DA4 DLC lol. If the story encompasses the Anderfels as well then DA4 will be a big boi. Yeah, I don't think we're done with the Grey Wardens; especially with the HOF off to cure the calling. Prediction: with the cure the calling and the reveal of the Tranquil cure. I wonder if will have to choose between curing the Wardens or revealing the Tranquil cure. They sorta leave both in the air. I hope note. That just seems like a pointless either/or choice that doesn't actually need to be either/or.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 24, 2020 23:44:34 GMT
I would say that Riordan has made his feelings pretty clear about Anderfelian Wardens, even if he's tried to be diplomatic about it. The rumors of Weisshaupt revolt/war also does seem to support the assessment that there's something off about Wardens in Anderfels or - at the very least - the leadership in Weisshaupt. Yes, he doesn't like that they're not cuddly and warm because they've been screwed over by so many empires over the years and they're basically forced to play soldier and guard by their own king. I imagine that stuff like that would make anyone cold and not really care about what's going on outside of their country because they already have enough to deal with in their own backyard. Note that he doesn't say that they don't care about the Blight. Caring about Blight may mean little if they don't care as much about 'the rest of the world', as Riordan said they aren't. If Wardens from Anderfels are too preoccupied with holding grudges towards the rest of the world, one can easily see scenario where they would falter in ways that matter, or be a kind of a threat to the objective Loghain or Wardens in DAI were - they obviously care, but in such a misguided manner that they eventually become an obstacle. The Wardens' role isn't to be in charge or get themselves involved with ruling or politics - that's what got Wardens banned from Ferelden. And seeing what happened to Soldier's Peak one can see why. Riordan is also the most direct source of knowledge so far (WoT books are written from biased, in-world perspective as well, btw.) and he is the only outside Warden that comes to aid the Fereldan Wardens when it actually matters in a primary role Wardens envision for themselves and are empowered by the world to fulfill. The rumors are all we have so far - I mean, aside from stuff I mentioned or the fact that Orlesian/Fereldan Wardens don't seem to count on Anderfels' help with the Fake Calling, Wardens ensnared by it seem to think that Wardens are over as a faction if they die and Inquisition is provided with no help or guidance, be it about Corypheus or Adamant.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 25, 2020 0:00:26 GMT
Also, I'm not sure what Varric means when he states that Hawke's Trespasser message conveys that Weisshaupt is a special kind of mess, but apparently there IS some kind of mess in Weisshaupt.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 25, 2020 0:59:56 GMT
Baby griffons are probably pretty messy.
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 25, 2020 1:22:27 GMT
Baby griffons are probably pretty messy. I don't think that what Varric means when he says that it's the kind of mess that appears only when Hawke shows up
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Post by phoray on Jun 25, 2020 1:39:09 GMT
I am disappointed that nobody has done this one for Inquisition: (The meme isn't old, it's classic!) They missed a chance of making happy Alistair dancing change to frown Alistair dancing when he was paired with Loghain.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Jun 25, 2020 3:11:15 GMT
Only if they also allow us to hug him.
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Post by Frost on Jun 25, 2020 3:41:53 GMT
Also, it might not be the best idea to try and punch the Dread Wolf. It would be really funny if Solas turned a pc who tried to punch him into stone, and it was game over.
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Post by necrowaif on Jun 25, 2020 4:00:02 GMT
Maybe we should petition Netherrealm Studios to put Solas in the next Kombat Pack for Mortal Kombat 11 as a video game crossover. Then you can perform Fatalities on him.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 25, 2020 4:07:24 GMT
Also, it might not be the best idea to try and punch the Dread Wolf. It would be really funny if Solas turned a pc who tried to punch him into stone, and it was game over. On this subject I've never tried...and obviously never bothered to look up...but what the hell happens if you try and attack Solas in Tresspasser?
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Post by Frost on Jun 25, 2020 4:20:18 GMT
Also, it might not be the best idea to try and punch the Dread Wolf. It would be really funny if Solas turned a pc who tried to punch him into stone, and it was game over. On this subject I've never tried...and obviously never bothered to look up...but what the hell happens if you try and attack Solas in Tresspasser? I never did this, either. However, I just checked it out on YouTube, and Solas stops the Inquisitor from hitting him. Who would really just stand there and let himself be punched, especially if he already was punched once before by the Inquisitor. Maybe an extreme pacifist would, but that is not the way I would describe Solas.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Jun 25, 2020 5:21:12 GMT
He is also noticeably rougher when he takes the mark away from an Inquisitor with whom he doesn't get along. You don't have to hit him in Trespasser to get that, though. But yeah, I really love all the variations they gave his animations in Trespasser, depending on whether you hated each other, were friends, or were lovers.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jun 25, 2020 6:40:33 GMT
Caring about Blight may mean little if they don't care as much about 'the rest of the world', as Riordan said they aren't. If Wardens from Anderfels are too preoccupied with holding grudges towards the rest of the world, one can easily see scenario where they would falter in ways that matter, or be a kind of a threat to the objective Loghain or Wardens in DAI were - they obviously care, but in such a misguided manner that they eventually become an obstacle. What exactly should they do? Their job is to worry about the Blight, not about the civil unrest in other places, especially on the other side of the continent. Should they get involved in the affairs of other countries that have nothing to do with their jurisdiction just so the rest of the world will like them more? It would take months to get word to them from Ferelden (Alistair already says this), it would take weeks before word within the country got around to all Wardens spread out across all corners of the Anderfels to gather and get ready to march + preparing enough equipment for everyone to fight a Blight + getting enough supplies for the march, and then it would take months yet again until they got to Ferelden (even more than it took for the initial message to get to them because an army travels slower than one single messenger/bird). Freleden would have waited either close to or over a year for the Ander Wardens to arrive. And you think that Loghain would have let them inside just because they're Anders and not Orlesians? Of course not, they'd've been turned away, too. We also don't know what life is like in the Anderfels. We know it's hard and we know they're a country that sort of gets screwed over even today (the artists we know for certain) but the country is said to have a pretty large population that lives in poverty. Darkspawn are also a lot more frequent here than in any other place on the surface so it's normal for the people to look to the Wardens, especially if the king doesn't seem to care. Also, we've seen the Wardens get involved in politics in Ferelden during the Fifth Blight (whether reluctantly or not) and regardless of the Landsmeet choice, in Awakening they hold titles and rule an arling. What happened at Soldier's Peak is a matter of opinion if the Wardens should have done what they did or not. It was only one moment in history that went poorly but ruling Amaranthine seems to be going well for a time (RP options notwithstanding). As for the "when it actually matters" bit, see above what I said about the time frame. Ah yes, the fake Calling, aka the character assassination of the Wardens or hitting them with the idiot stick repeatedly because only one guy has enough brain cells to think that everything is just too convenient and has the conviction to say that maybe the Tevinter mustache twirling weasel is the obvious bad guy and shouldn't be trusted. Just one guy, no one else. And because I was made to believe this is perfectly reasonable (the non-possessed Wardens chose to follow Clarel of their free will), I should now believe there's a Warden civil war? That requires multiple people with strong, differing opinions banding together and supporting each other, not only one. So, which is it? Do Warden's blindly follow their leadership or do hey also have personal principles? Wardens do whatever needs to be done to end Blights, sure, but the Warden storyline in DAI was just nonsensical and everyone was turned into reactionary morons. Save the world from Blights but leave it to deal with a demon army, that's totally smart. Maybe they did contact Weisshaupt to make sure that the fake Calling was heard everywhere, or maybe they didn't, because the plot needed them to do something so absolutely pants on head stupid that the choice to exile them actually made sense from a design perspective.
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Post by sandwichtern on Jun 25, 2020 7:39:07 GMT
Just a heads-up: Is there anyone here who has always wished to participate in one of those reddit Dragon Age or Mass Effect demographics surveys the reddit has once in a blue moon, but has always found out about them only after they're over? There's one ongoing for Dragon Age games now, and here's the link for those interested.
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Post by Serza on Jun 25, 2020 8:01:02 GMT
Why the fuck do they always insist on knowing what parts I have, who I prefer in bed and which politician I like...
This shit's about games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 25, 2020 8:05:06 GMT
Just a heads-up: Is there anyone here who has always wished to participate in one of those reddit Dragon Age or Mass Effect demographics surveys the reddit has once in a blue moon, but has always found out about them only after they're over? There's one ongoing for Dragon Age games now, and here's the link for those interested. Thank you for sharing the link. I just submitted my response.
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 25, 2020 8:14:41 GMT
Just a heads-up: Is there anyone here who has always wished to participate in one of those reddit Dragon Age or Mass Effect demographics surveys the reddit has once in a blue moon, but has always found out about them only after they're over? There's one ongoing for Dragon Age games now, and here's the link for those interested. Thanks for the link. I'm surprised how much I struggled with questions about class/specialization
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Post by colfoley on Jun 25, 2020 8:20:56 GMT
That was a fun way to kill 20 minutes after work. Mind you it was difficult dusting off the cobwebs on some of the choices and of course the who rules Ferelden choice in DAO is always a fun one for me to think about. Also also some of the questions were a bit...inconsistent.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 25, 2020 9:43:37 GMT
In VR. I'd buy a PSVR for it
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jun 25, 2020 9:56:10 GMT
Maybe we should petition Netherrealm Studios to put Solas in the next Kombat Pack for Mortal Kombat 11 as a video game crossover. Then you can perform Fatalities on him.
Well, with Warner Bros putting the studio up for sale & EA being one of the ones sniffing around, it may actually be on the cards...so, which fatality to do on him? hmmm
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Post by coldsteelblue on Jun 25, 2020 10:06:55 GMT
Just a heads-up: Is there anyone here who has always wished to participate in one of those reddit Dragon Age or Mass Effect demographics surveys the reddit has once in a blue moon, but has always found out about them only after they're over? There's one ongoing for Dragon Age games now, and here's the link for those interested.
Awesome thanks! Mildly pissed off that the only choice for unemployed is not looking for work, atm for me, looking for work is a full-time job
Also find funny the line in one of the choices "retcons notwithstanding"
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