This is why if that slide truly showed the aims of Trespasser then it was an epic fail. Not only did it leave players unclear on the future of the Inquisitor PC but apparently the writers were trying to be ambiguous about it. The important word here though is protagonist. As John Epler explained it finished the story of the Inquisitor as the leader of a Thedas wide organisation. Even if you don't disband the Inquisition it was going to be cut down in size so that it was merely the Divine's personal army and she would be controlling it, not the PC. Not only that but the thing that made the PC unique and marked them out as special in the eyes of the population had been taken away. So they are no longer the Herald of Andraste either. Thus their importance in the world was gone and all that remained was their tie to Solas. Incidentally the epilogue makes clear that not everyone even believed them about him. Hardly surprising since people preferred to stick their heads in the sand when Hawke discovered the extent of the Qunari spy network. The Chantry had done such a thorough job with their propaganda down the years that the majority of people would probably react to the idea of an ancient elven god creating havoc in a similar way to that of Sera about the Temple of Mythal; it can't be true, he's just a demon or some deranged apostate with delusions of grandure.
So the "no longer the Inquisitor" character continues to work with a select group of believers in their story as the Shadow Inquisition. The scene at Haven confirms they are going to be looking for new people that Solas doesn't know. The fact that he turned up at one of their gatherings of interested parties shows that he is keeping track on people like Charter whom he does know. The fact that he was fishing for information would suggest that their policy of using new people was working as he felt he had to come in person. The "no longer the Inquisitor" character is not going to be driving the story forward in the next game because that is part of their strategy in dealing with Solas. So they are no longer the protagonist. However, they will still be involved at a distance and may be brought in at some stage as appropriate. So it is a case that the story of them as the Inquisitor protagonist has been tied off but not their overall story.
Of course the writers could back-track on this as Trespasser was written before the DA4 project was shelved and then rebooted. However, on the evidence provided thus far, I'd say that the old PC/Inquisitor is not going to be the protagonist in the next game, either solely or in some dual-role capacity. If they were brought back, then technically they shouldn't even be called the Inquisitor.
the fun part about this is they could get reeeaaaallly cute in the marketing for the game. No the ',Inquisitor' is not the protagonist *wink wink*
remember when they released story trailer for DAI and everyone lost their shit over the warden in it, thinking it was HoF? Ah, good times
Whilst the Inquisitor has a personal connection to Solas, they have none to the idol. Technically if we are going on a feeling of personal responsibility and involvement, then either Hawke or Varric ought to be involved (I really hope not again). If we are looking for a way to cleanse the world of the Blight, then the Warden has a personal interest in that based off the information about their activities in DA4 but we know they have no intention of bringing them back.
This is one of the things that bothers me about the previous protagonists. I know a lot of people don't want them to return because they'll behave uncharacteristically, but at the same time them not showing up can also be uncharacteristic. Sadly there's no good solution to that problem.
Its an interesting parrellel but I think that from the marketing...well the marketing seems to indicate that Solas could easily be spreading the Blight/ Red Lyrium as part of his plan to bring down the Veil...as much as he might hate it again his options seem to be fairly limited...plus he will need some sort of weapon to stop the Evanuris.
I actually think that the red lyrium might be spreading itself, at this point.
After you capture Suledin Keep (Emprise du Lion), you can hear a background dialogue from a tranquil mage, explaining to another agent that ridding the ecosystem of Red Lyrium is a fruitless effort. They point out that even if you remove the crystal itself, it's already been introduced into the food chain. First worms, moles and other underground critters, then birds and other predators, etc. In the tech teaser from EA Play we see a tree possibly corrupted by red lyrium.
In DAI the corruption is intentional, but we have no proof it's intentional in DA4.
Given that Solas sometimes gives an impression that the world is running out of time (like in one of banters with Blackwall), perhaps the red lyrium/Blight infestation would have happened anyway and this is why he wants to accomplish something before he/Thedas indeed runs out of time?
“The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff. We are a way for the universe to know itself.”
Given that Solas sometimes gives an impression that the world is running out of time (like in one of banters with Blackwall), perhaps the red lyrium/Blight infestation would have happened anyway and this is why he wants to accomplish something before he/Thedas indeed runs out of time?
That's what I personally think as well
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Given that Solas sometimes gives an impression that the world is running out of time (like in one of banters with Blackwall), perhaps the red lyrium/Blight infestation would have happened anyway and this is why he wants to accomplish something before he/Thedas indeed runs out of time?
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Incidentally, if we go by the trailer and the WiP pictures, then red lyrium and the idol are likely going to be the main drivers of the plot in DA4 and the fact is they could do so even with Solas and the Inquisitor largely on the side-lines. There are enough other parties either wishing to use red lyrium/the idol for their own ends or trying to prevent others from doing so that should keep us busy. Given the connection with the Blight as well, it does seem that it is going to be red lyrium that ties us back to all the previous games and gives the idol its special significance as well. To be honest, given who the idol likely depicts and the fact that Flemeth/Mythal made an appearance in every previous game, it is she who is really the overall antagonist for the series. She has been pulling strings and nudging people in the direction she wished them to take, including Solas. No one can say they have a special connection to her, apart from perhaps Solas, and even he probably doesn't really know her.
Whilst the Inquisitor has a personal connection to Solas, they have none to the idol. Technically if we are going on a feeling of personal responsibility and involvement, then either Hawke or Varric ought to be involved (I really hope not again). If we are looking for a way to cleanse the world of the Blight, then the Warden has a personal interest in that based off the information about their activities in DA4 but we know they have no intention of bringing them back.
Really making the idol the focus does allow a line to be drawn under the Solas/Inquisitor relationship so far as driving forward the plot is concerned. The new PC is likely going to be focussed on the idol and as I say above, even leaving Solas out of the mix, there are plenty of other parties who are going to have their own agenda with respect to that. For all we know Solas doesn't actually need the idol for his ritual but to prevent others from misusing it and interfering adversely with the results of his plan. Even if Solas does need it and we were to kill him, that wouldn't prevent others from misusing it. So the main conundrum is likely to be not how to stop Solas but how to destroy the idol permanently.
this idea sounds like the idol is Thedas' answer to the One Ring. I could get on board with that
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Despite being an avid Solasmancer I'd be very disappointed if we didn't get a shot at a new protagonist - the resolution to the Solasmance could come either as a dlc or by letting us control the Inquisitor for some part of the game. I love the character creation, and I love thinking of new ways to play the game. For example, a game set in Tevinter offers a lot of interesting possibilities to play a character with different morals in a context where it would make sense. I usually try to have vary slightly between games (Mage Elf Warden, Mage Hawke, Rogue Elf), so I wonder what I'd play this time? A human blood mage? A dwarven rogue living cut off from this land filled with magic? Maybe they allow us to be a Qunari slave?
Can't wait until we know more so I can expand on my ideas!
Despite being an avid Solasmancer I'd be very disappointed if we didn't get a shot at a new protagonist - the resolution to the Solasmance could come either as a dlc or by letting us control the Inquisitor for some part of the game. I love the character creation, and I love thinking of new ways to play the game. For example, a game set in Tevinter offers a lot of interesting possibilities to play a character with different morals in a context where it would make sense. I usually try to have vary sightly between games (Mage Elf Warden, Mage Hawke, Rogue Elf), so I wonder what I'd play this time? A human blood mage? A dwarven rogue living cut off from this land filled with magic? Maybe they allow us to be a Qunari slave?
Can't wait until we know more so I can expand on my ideas!
It is one of the hardest things about waiting for the new game especially when you do get more info because a lot of my time waiting for Inquisition I headcannoned backgrounds for my characters and then new info came out and was like 'wait can't do that' so I had to change the set up I had done for it, mentally. . Same thing for Andromeda actually. I was quite put up with naming my female Ryder Samantha but then with SAM being named SAM I thought that was weird so I went back to the tried and true "Cassandra" well.
Hell the marketing isn't even in full swing and I already am planning out my male character up the wazoo at least the framework for him and I got a couple of name ideas for a female too.
Despite being an avid Solasmancer I'd be very disappointed if we didn't get a shot at a new protagonist - the resolution to the Solasmance could come either as a dlc or by letting us control the Inquisitor for some part of the game. I love the character creation, and I love thinking of new ways to play the game. For example, a game set in Tevinter offers a lot of interesting possibilities to play a character with different morals in a context where it would make sense. I usually try to have vary sightly between games (Mage Elf Warden, Mage Hawke, Rogue Elf), so I wonder what I'd play this time? A human blood mage? A dwarven rogue living cut off from this land filled with magic? Maybe they allow us to be a Qunari slave?
Can't wait until we know more so I can expand on my ideas!
It is one of the hardest things about waiting for the new game especially when you do get more info because a lot of my time waiting for Inquisition I headcannoned backgrounds for my characters and then new info came out and was like 'wait can't do that' so I had to change the set up I had done for it, mentally. . Same thing for Andromeda actually. I was quite put up with naming my female Ryder Samantha but then with SAM being named SAM I thought that was weird so I went back to the tried and true "Cassandra" well.
Hell the marketing isn't even in full swing and I already am planning out my male character up the wazoo at least the framework for him and I got a couple of name ideas for a female too.
Perfect way to set yourself up for a disappointment. Your expectations and Bio's game vision may not be the same.
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It is one of the hardest things about waiting for the new game especially when you do get more info because a lot of my time waiting for Inquisition I headcannoned backgrounds for my characters and then new info came out and was like 'wait can't do that' so I had to change the set up I had done for it, mentally. . Same thing for Andromeda actually. I was quite put up with naming my female Ryder Samantha but then with SAM being named SAM I thought that was weird so I went back to the tried and true "Cassandra" well.
Hell the marketing isn't even in full swing and I already am planning out my male character up the wazoo at least the framework for him and I got a couple of name ideas for a female too.
Perfect way to set yourself up for a disappointment. Your expectations and Bio's game vision may not be the same.
...disappointment is a bit of a weird word choice. Then again seems I can manage my expectations and even if I put a lot into fan theories or desires for gameplay...and I do...I'm open enough to recognize I am not always right, the devs know far more about their craft then I do...and I usually like what they offer no matter my thoughts with rare spikes of 'disappointment'.
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I disagree that Solas is the one spreading red lyrium. He was viscerally horrified by the Blight in DAI. He believes anyone who tries to do anything with Blight magic is mad to use it.
Red Templars and Venatori were spreading red lyrium throughout DAI. Once it took hold it could continue to grow on anything organic as well as on stone. So by the time DA4 begins, who knows how much of Thedas will be infected with red lyrium? I believe it is not improbable that Corypheus' forces' actions in DAI were responsible for the red lyrium we saw in the EA Play video.
I've seen some people speculate that the red lyrium idol might be the weapon that Fen'Harel used as a lure to trap the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones. What if it is, and that's why he wants it again? Maybe he means to use it to lure the Evanuris and the Forgotten Ones to him once they are freed so that they can be dealt with in some other way. Maybe he means to use it on them.
That plan still has him using Red Lyrium...despite being horrified by it...twice.
Holding it as bait is a bit different than using its power, though.
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"Solas is another starting companion in Dragon Age: Inquisition, suitably fulfilling the healer role for your party. He is an elven apostate mage who is an expert on the Fade and who is a romance option for a female elven Inquisitor"
Healer? Since when are there healing spells in DAI? Yes, he knows a lot about the Fade, but I def wouldn't call him a Healer in gaming terms. If anything, he's Support/Crowd Control.
Yes, I know he treats your hand in the beginning and amputates your hand in Trespasser, that still doesn't make him "suitably fulfilling the healer role of your party", because that involves having actual healing spells.
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"Solas is another starting companion in Dragon Age: Inquisition, suitably fulfilling the healer role for your party. He is an elven apostate mage who is an expert on the Fade and who is a romance option for a female elven Inquisitor"
Healer? Since when are there healing spells in DAI? Yes, he knows a lot about the Fade, but I def wouldn't call him a Healer in gaming terms. If anything, he's Support/Crowd Control.
Yes, I know he treats your hand in the beginning and amputates your hand in Trespasser, that still doesn't make him "suitably fulfilling the healer role of your party", because that involves having actual healing spells.
It's what the game implies at the start. He's been the one who's healed us (regardless how he did it) and stabilized the Anchor and he has his skill points invested in Spirit ability tree, which is generally where defensive/healing spells are. We effectively start with him in a position of party healer that way and thus - he's fulfilling the healer role for the party, at least at the beginning. Also, he has a few banters suggesting he's really good at creating barriers, while Vivienne is making fun of his occasional damage spell flubs.
(also I swear, not that rarely it seemed that his barrier and revival spell are stronger than when these abilities are used by others)
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"Solas is another starting companion in Dragon Age: Inquisition, suitably fulfilling the healer role for your party. He is an elven apostate mage who is an expert on the Fade and who is a romance option for a female elven Inquisitor"
Healer? Since when are there healing spells in DAI? Yes, he knows a lot about the Fade, but I def wouldn't call him a Healer in gaming terms. If anything, he's Support/Crowd Control.
Yes, I know he treats your hand in the beginning and amputates your hand in Trespasser, that still doesn't make him "suitably fulfilling the healer role of your party", because that involves having actual healing spells.
Any Mage can be a healer in the gameplay at least.
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 30, 2020 16:41:30 GMT
The discrepancy between Solas’ description and the actual spells he knows and can learn is another example of why I want the returns to the DAO depth in regards of magic schools/spells. The focus gradually got mostly on elemental spells (and even in this regards the earth one suffered compared to other three).
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I find it wonderful and teasing (a reach, I know) with them choosing DA:I music for the background and ending the video with the DA series
does this chain mail have a forward link?
LOST DOG responds to Solas/Fen'harel/you bastard if found,return to Inquisitor Levellan immediately
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes Does anyone know of a decent videos showing overheard conversations as you walk by in Dragon Age: Inquisition? Stuff like in Haven, the healers talking, or Charter smacking down the young idiot guy?
Unexpectedly, the world seems to have not recorded them all.