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Post by Hrungr on Sept 28, 2020 17:41:55 GMT
Interesting. Where do you find these numbers? I'd be curious to see The Witcher 3, Skyrim, and FO4 among others. Also if there is a relationship between game length and completion percentage (probably). I'm somewhat surprised at DA2 being the highest for DA games, but I think it is the shortest and with more focus on the main story than the others. Yeah, no doubt being short and linear helped those DA2 numbers. Some of those numbers came from a Dualshockers article, some I've had before. There are a number of sites that track PS and XB achievements and completion rates. The Witcher 3 is about 28%, Skyrim 34%, Fallout 4 32%.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 28, 2020 19:12:01 GMT
I didn't know it was possible to complete Skyrim .
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 28, 2020 19:24:59 GMT
I didn't know it was possible to complete Skyrim . Hell, I have about 1,000 hours in Skyrim, and I think I've finished it... twice. TBF, if you do go straight at it with the intent to finish it, it's not that long.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 28, 2020 19:50:04 GMT
BF, if you do go straight at it with the intent to finish it, it's not that long. There's so much to do in that game... no need to bother with genocidial cult bitch Delphine.
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Post by Beerfish on Sept 28, 2020 21:58:52 GMT
I didn't know it was possible to complete Skyrim . Why do you hurt me so? I played that game every quest, hours and hours and hours and then at that point I asked, what is the main quest in this game? And I totally forgot what I was supposed to do. I never did finish.
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Post by legbamel on Sept 28, 2020 22:28:38 GMT
Silly me thought for a couple hundred hours of blacksmithing that the civil war was the main quest. Imagine my surprise...
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Post by shechinah on Sept 28, 2020 23:08:56 GMT
I just remembered that I still haven't finished Skyrim. Too busy running around with my mates Marcurio and Meeko, chopping wood to sell and stealing things to, well, stealing's really it's own reward.
Funny enough, I think Marcurio's done the whole Dragonborn thing better than me. Pretty sure he's killed more dragons, at least.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 29, 2020 5:59:00 GMT
I didn't know it was possible to complete Skyrim . Why do you hurt me so? I played that game every quest, hours and hours and hours and then at that point I asked, what is the main quest in this game? And I totally forgot what I was supposed to do. I never did finish. I also did a ‘complete’ run last year. I did everything except the civil war, because I am indecisive as to what side to choose (I also skipped various smaller ‘chop wood etc quests). Otherwise, I did everything, and I mean everything. On top of that I did a lot of the bigger MOD quests. Suffice to say, in the end I was kinda fatigued. My character is still in the middle of some LotDB quest somewhere.
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Post by Gilli on Sept 29, 2020 10:46:58 GMT
I didn't know it was possible to complete Skyrim . Hell, I have about 1,000 hours in Skyrim, and I think I've finished it... twice. TBF, if you do go straight at it with the intent to finish it, it's not that long. I finished the main story (Civil War & Alduin) 2-3 times I think. I finished "the game" once so far and with that I mean, that my Dragonborn had no quests left, except the repeatable quests. Even installed a quest mod (The Forgotten City) and switched to 2H weapon, so I had a way to gain more exp without making my most used skills legendary. Only got 2 achievements left. - Slay a Legendary Dragon (reason why I needed another way to gain Exp ) and - Tame & Ride 5 Dragons
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Post by azarhal on Sept 29, 2020 16:17:05 GMT
EDIT: Kingdom Come: Deliverance - 7%. Hmnmnm... I wonder what stops people from completing it... I had 55 hours in my PT when something stupid that was my fault happened that made me stop playing. I was a few hours from ending the main quest too. The story is kinda flat toward the ends and the gameplay is quite "involved" which means it's not easy to get into.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Sept 29, 2020 18:09:49 GMT
Only got 2 achievements left. - Slay a Legendary Dragon (reason why I needed another way to gain Exp ) and - Tame & Ride 5 Dragons Ooooh, you even go the Mass Murderer Master Criminal thing. Tried this once with the approach of deliberately murdering select town guards, but then I had several instances of "last witness dead, bounty canceled", so I got annoyed and noped out.
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Post by Polka Dot on Sept 29, 2020 20:40:05 GMT
Yeah, the fade sequence was fun for me on the first PT but every subsequent PT I just want to get it done and over with ASAP. I believe David Gaider said 20-25% completion rate was actually pretty high, so I wonder what the numbers are for other BioWare games or just games in general. I've heard statements thrown around casually like "90% of people won't finish games" that are obvious generalizations but maybe not that far from the truth? For DA, the completion rate varied a little by platform, but was around 25% for DA:O, 37% for DA2, and 26% for DAI. About half made it to Skyhold. Here's a list of completion rates posted recently for some other popular PS4 games. TLOU2 is the most completed game on the PS4 at 58%. The Last of Us Part II - 58.0% Final Fantasy VII Remake – 53.3% God of War – 51.8% Marvel’s Spider-Man – 50.7% Uncharted: The Lost Legacy – 50.3% Detroit: Become Human – 49% Ghost of Tsushima – 38.2% Horizon Zero Dawn – 34.5% Days Gone – 34% Death Stranding – 29.3% Red Dead Redemption II – 28.6% EDIT: Kingdom Come: Deliverance - 7%. Looking at actual completion rates for games makes me wonder if there's a big discrepancy in those rates during the first months post release versus after they become available on the subscription service. I would think that people might be fairly keen to complete games when they're new and sell at full price. Once they go free (with subscription fee), it's a lot easier to abandon them quickly and move on to the next thing if you're not delighted with the game. It also tells us why DLC is as expensive as it is. By the time it's released, the engaged player base has shrunk a lot. ETA: I also think this is the reason why we see so many changes from one game in a franchise to the next. Devs are constantly trying to draw in new people - they have to replace those that drop out between titles.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 29, 2020 21:04:46 GMT
It also tells us why DLC is as expensive as it is. By the time it's released, the engaged player base has shrunk a lot. And also why many of them are built as economically as possible, often reusing existing assets or whole locations. We often hear how meaty DLC is "not profitable" or as profitable as they'd like. That's also one of the reasons given for the shift towards smaller "Live Service" updates now (or combination of the two). Enchantment! Engagement! Meatier DLC still gets made though, so it still must be profitable enough for some studios. AC:OD for example keeps their players on the hook with their LS dailies/weeklies/mini-DLC, then drop the bigger DLC. It'd be interesting to know how many stuck around to play the Atlantis DLC. IIRC, their engagement rates were quite high. Hell, they kept me on the hook for ages...
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 29, 2020 21:10:37 GMT
Enchantment! Engagement! You just had to remind me of our missing lord and savior Sandal
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 29, 2020 21:22:42 GMT
Enchantment! Engagement! You just had to remind me of our missing lord and savior Sandal
Sandal,
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Post by colfoley on Sept 29, 2020 21:35:12 GMT
It also tells us why DLC is as expensive as it is. By the time it's released, the engaged player base has shrunk a lot. And also why many of them are built as economically as possible, often reusing existing assets or whole locations. We often hear how meaty DLC is "not profitable" or as profitable as they'd like. That's also one of the reasons given for the shift towards smaller "Live Service" updates now (or combination of the two). Enchantment! Engagement! Meatier DLC still gets made though, so it still must be profitable enough for some studios. AC:OD for example keeps their players on the hook with their LS dailies/weeklies/mini-DLC, then drop the bigger DLC. It'd be interesting to know how many stuck around to play the Atlantis DLC. IIRC, their engagement rates were quite high. Hell, they kept me on the hook for ages... yeah one of the big objectives imo behind live service...keep people playing until you are ready to release the bigger expansions.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 29, 2020 21:48:39 GMT
Enchantment! Engagement! You just had to remind me of our missing lord and savior Sandal *stares off into the middle distance* It's my belief he's out there still, scratching his butt, and hawking Bodahn's exorbitantly marked-up wares in the middle of some forgotten dungeon. *wistful tear*
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 29, 2020 21:58:55 GMT
You just had to remind me of our missing lord and savior Sandal *stares off into the middle distance* It's my belief he's out there still, scratching his butt, and hawking Bodahn's exorbitantly marked-up wares in the middle of some forgotten dungeon. *wistful tear* Don't forget sticking his finger in other people's soup
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 29, 2020 22:30:43 GMT
Yeah, it's just speculation. They gotta remember that it's still 2 years away (or more). Gameplay trailer? No way. They might have another Dev Diary though. Maybe they'll have a ME remaster trailer there (if they don't show it on N7 Day).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 29, 2020 22:32:15 GMT
New head canon accepted. Will blame Solas if it turns out to be false.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 29, 2020 23:07:19 GMT
Yeah, it's just speculation. They gotta remember that it's still 2 years away (or more). Gameplay trailer? No way. They might have another Dev Diary though. Maybe they'll have a ME remaster trailer there (if they don't show it on N7 Day). I still hope for something a little more substantial then another dev diary (not that I would fully mind one mind you) but I'm hoping for at least an official announce trailer which will give us our title.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 29, 2020 23:27:49 GMT
Yeah, it's just speculation. They gotta remember that it's still 2 years away (or more). Gameplay trailer? No way. They might have another Dev Diary though. Maybe they'll have a ME remaster trailer there (if they don't show it on N7 Day). I still hope for something a little more substantial then another dev diary (not that I would fully mind one mind you) but I'm hoping for at least an official announce trailer which will give us our title. *Deeeep inhale* This early with so much still up in the air? It's a big risk given how much can change or get cut even late in development. And sure, it'd be great to even get a smokey fade-in/fade-out teaser for the title (whoooosh ), but who knows if DA4 even has one locked down yet? That can happen late, late in the process too (eg. Anthem).
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Post by Gilli on Sept 30, 2020 12:03:54 GMT
Only got 2 achievements left. - Slay a Legendary Dragon (reason why I needed another way to gain Exp ) and - Tame & Ride 5 Dragons Ooooh, you even go the Mass Murderer Master Criminal thing. Tried this once with the approach of deliberately murdering select town guards, but then I had several instances of "last witness dead, bounty canceled", so I got annoyed and noped out. Yes I made a chara just for the bounty achievement too Leveled him a bit and then went and stole horse, attacked random people etc while traveling from Hold to Hold until the achievement popped up. I think I let him get arrested in the end. He's still sitting in his prison cell.
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