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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 17:22:16 GMT
If you do some simple searching on this topic, there is one person she is speaking about the most, and that person is thankfully no longer at BioWare. I know exactly who you’re talking about. And it’s soooooo terrible that person got to found his own company after leaving BioWare, right? Clearly he deserves to have his life destroyed for the great sin of offending the nerd queen Sam Maggs, who is absolutely right about everything and whose will may not be questioned.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 17:24:47 GMT
If you do some simple searching on this topic, there is one person she is speaking about the most, and that person is thankfully no longer at BioWare. I know exactly who you’re talking about. And it’s soooooo terrible that person got to found his own company after leaving BioWare, right? Clearly he deserves to have his life destroyed for the great sin of offending the great Sam Maggs, who is absolutely right about everything and whose will may not be questioned. This is what I was talking about. You have no sense of proportion, and the accusations aren't the type that ruin careers anyway. From an "investor" POV, his decisions weren't entirely without defense. But he looks like a moron, and deservedly so.
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Post by mousestalker on Jul 29, 2021 17:30:15 GMT
1. Sam Maggs hasn't worked at Bioware since 2018. Whatever you may think of her work product for Bioware, her tenure has ended and it isn't news.
2. Personal insults are not allowed. You may insult her work if you wish, but you may not insult her.
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Post by sni2 on Jul 29, 2021 17:40:19 GMT
I had no idea how misogynistic the Dragon Age fandom could be. This woman is in her right to speak about a toxic work evironment, whatever form it takes. Y'all don't work for Bioware, so chill out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 18:01:02 GMT
Social media has turned us all into platforms.
This is not without consequence.
What I see with Sam is a young woman with a good mind working out the mysteries of life. As with many smart young people, she thinks and says things based on intelligence without wisdom or experience that would have tested better her opinion on the subject.
It's exactly how I acted when I was her age. Idealistic people have a hard time adjusting to reality sometimes.
Is she perfect? Nope. Did she do stuff some people look down on, to keep the lights on and food in the fridge? Probably. It all sounds so human to me. I think she has a bright future ahead of her.
The reaction she gets though... I don't sympathize much with that. Because I am older, and wiser, and I see the desperation in the complaints against her and the same types who repeatedly echo them.
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Post by The Elder King on Jul 29, 2021 18:02:34 GMT
If you do some simple searching on this topic, there is one person she is speaking about the most, and that person is thankfully no longer at BioWare. I know exactly who you’re talking about. And it’s soooooo terrible that person got to found his own company after leaving BioWare, right? Clearly he deserves to have his life destroyed for the great sin of offending the nerd queen Sam Maggs, who is absolutely right about everything and whose will may not be questioned. If it's about the Asian characters in Anthem, I don't think it's about having his life destroyed (I guess it could be connected to her betrayed tweet, since as others said, it's connected with Bioware's seemingly renown of inclusivity, but it could very well be about something else). It's still a really idiotic, to be kind, reason to want to shift a character's appearance. And I don't think her intent was about having his life destroyed either (unless that topic continued and she made names), since she didn't actually call out anyone. People connected the dots. But again, I don't know her history or whatever she did or didn't to be considered a liar by some.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 18:09:17 GMT
I know exactly who you’re talking about. And it’s soooooo terrible that person got to found his own company after leaving BioWare, right? Clearly he deserves to have his life destroyed for the great sin of offending the nerd queen Sam Maggs, who is absolutely right about everything and whose will may not be questioned. If it's about the Asian characters in Anthem, I don't think it's about having his life destroyed (I guess it could be connected to her betrayed tweet, since as others said, it's connected with Bioware's seemingly renown of inclusivity, but it could very well be about something else). It's still a really idiotic, to be kind, reason to want to shift a character's appearance. And I don't think her intent was about having his life destroyed either (unless that topic continued and she made names), since she didn't actually call out anyone. People connected the dots. But again, I don't know her history or whatever she did or didn't to be considered a liar by some. This is the problematic part of the whole thing. His career isn't on the line, he wasn't accused of showing his pecker to anyone or groping or catcalling or the like. There will always be a job for him in game development if he wants it. I shed zero tears for a dude that will be just fine, and has to look like the idiot he was for the time he was being idiotic. It isn't like a redemption arc is out of the question for him. Life isn't over until you're buried, and then who gives a fuck? I sure won't, I'll just be glad that whatever this was is over.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 29, 2021 18:23:04 GMT
I don't understand how those big multibillion corporations haven't figured it out yet, just have separate offices per gender (tho that might be illegal) or just have cams with mics 24/7 everywhere (except toilets) and a guard in every floor.
"oR jUsT dOn'T hArRaS wOmEn" works as well as telling people to not steal or kill, preventative and defensive measures aren't optional for big corporations.
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Post by bierkrug on Jul 29, 2021 18:31:25 GMT
What is that betrayal Maggs is referring to? Sorry, kind of out of the loop with this kind of stuff.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 29, 2021 18:33:03 GMT
Could we.... change the subject and take this stuff to PMs? It's pretty obvious none of us will back down from our views and it's just going to produce more nasty insults.
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 18:33:52 GMT
Yes, I'm ready to move on, so long as no one else calls me a misogynist or a right-wing nutjob or any of the other insults I've received over the past day or so.
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Post by Gileadan on Jul 29, 2021 18:35:04 GMT
I don't know Sam Maggs, but I don't think she's out to ruin someone's career. She didn't mention any names as far as I could see, and she probably didn't post it on a Friday night. Hopefully this will get investigated and the bad apples identified and treated with all due justice.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 29, 2021 18:40:34 GMT
I don't understand how those big multibillion corporations haven't figured it out yet, just have separate offices per gender (tho that might be illegal) or just have cams with mics 24/7 everywhere (except toilets) and a guard in every floor. "oR jUsT dOn'T hArRaS wOmEn" works as well as telling people to not steal or kill, preventative and defensive measures aren't optional for big corporations. Erm.... and yet somehow people don't casually steal or kill en masse in workplaces or are properly punished for this - so why is avoiding harassment apparently impossible? Even if people in groups can't always avoid social blunders or crossing the line, I does not mean that the situation can't be much, much better. Besides, I think we have learned already that such issues exist largely because abusive behavior is ignored or even encouraged, abusers are rewarded or things are brushed under the rug, or it's people who were abused that are silenced. These things don't come out of nowhere and it totally can be prevented by creating healthier workplaces. As for believing people who come out with accusations... look, we already know that Bioware ain't much better from 'industry standard' when it comes to things like crunching, so why should I believe they are spotless in this regard, when we know from insiders that treatment of women or minorities is an industry-wide, systemic problem? Even if they genuinely strive to be better it does not mean that it isn't an uphill battle, for variety of reasons. Anyway - I don't know the situation now or how it compares to other places or what are the dynamics between different teams - there are probably places and groups that fare much better in one regard or another, but the truth is that many games - many creative endeavors - that people love are created through pain and tears that were entirely unnecessary or result of downright abuse and we should always strive for the whole of entertainment industry to be better.
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 18:57:34 GMT
Again, I have no doubt that the time when Anthem and MEA were being worked on was an absolutely shitty time at BioWare.
I mean, what did that one dev say? He had a manager timing his bathroom breaks? Christ.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 29, 2021 18:59:31 GMT
I have no doubt that the time when Anthem and MEA were being worked on was an absolutely shitty time at BioWare. I mean, what did that one dev say? He had a manager timing his bathroom breaks? Christ. And people having mental breakdowns in private, just awful things and why there needs to be unionizations.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 29, 2021 19:00:24 GMT
Could we.... change the subject and take this stuff to PMs? It's pretty obvious none of us will back down from our views and it's just going to produce more nasty insults. Second this. Now what were we talking about...was it Alistair's unhealthy obsession with cheese?
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Post by Julilla on Jul 29, 2021 19:06:25 GMT
Here's Mark Darrah going over the 2013 PAX DAI presentation, describing what existed then, and why things changed:
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Post by smilesja on Jul 29, 2021 19:06:54 GMT
If I can't romance Leggy, can I at least romance a Broodmother?
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 29, 2021 19:09:02 GMT
If I can't romance Leggy, can I at least romance a Broodmother?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 19:14:30 GMT
My Hawke wanted to romance Broodmother Orsino, but had to cut his tits off instead.
Such is the life of my Hawke, poor gal. She laughed it off though.
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Post by Sundance31us on Jul 29, 2021 19:31:48 GMT
My Hawke wanted to romance Broodmother Orsino, but had to cut his tits off instead. Such is the life of my Hawke, poor gal. She laughed it off though. LOL. I'm rather partial to female desire demons...after multiple play-throughs finally noticing what they're doing with their hands and realizing that they're probably enjoying the conversation far more than I am.
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Post by bierkrug on Jul 29, 2021 22:15:27 GMT
Suppose I can call myself lucky that the broodmother's textures didn't load when I played this part
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Post by necrowaif on Jul 29, 2021 22:42:54 GMT
Well, through the magic of the Internet, that scene has been beautifully preserved for posterity
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 29, 2021 23:47:55 GMT
No. It's because sometimes these accusations aren't true and sometimes the accusers do it to ruin lives, because there are some nasty people out there. Look at the AH-JD thing. Eh, I’d say that it’s not the best comparison to be made, because from what I can find and read, their situation is more about two people that abused each others, then the accused being innocent and the accuser being a full liar. While neither is a saint, only one pressed charges at the other.
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Post by githcheater on Jul 30, 2021 0:33:24 GMT
Comedy from JW's Linked In account:
“JW's greatest quality lies in his servant leadership style, and the ability to balance the needs of his team with those of his project, at all times. JW deeply cares of his people and their needs, mentors effectively, and is a highly emotionally intelligent senior game director."
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