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Post by smilesja on Jun 4, 2022 7:33:08 GMT
Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebusche@nicoledealart I'd like to call your attention to @eplerjc's current team Slack portrait. 💀 I haven’t been online all day and just like that…it’s time to log off. You're just jealous that you don't look half as good as DAD!
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2022 8:00:12 GMT
And don´t forget the trailer line: "We´ve got your back. I´ve got your back" Except, as I've already pointed out, either on this thread or the DAD one, that curiously they refer back to the 2018 trailer for the "hint" that Solas was going to be a major part of the next game, when they outright flagged him as an enemy in the 2020 trailer. This seemed so odd to me that I wondered if they were trying to quietly play down the relevance of that 2020 trailer, may be because much of what was shown there related to the multi-player elements of the game that have since been dropped. In which case, "we've got your back" related to the Crow, the dagger assassin and the arcane archer showcased there and "I've got your back" to the fact that Varric was going to return in one of the multi-player modules, just as Isabella did in the DAI multi-player. I must admit I really don't see why there has to be any carry over companion from one game to another if they are going to be part of your party rather than simply a contact or advisor. Anders was not a companion from DAO and if people hadn't bought the expansion they wouldn't even know what Anders and Justice had been like as separate individuals, so it was hardly a precedent. As you have pointed out, if they had gone with the Exalted March, Varric would have been dead. The reason they seem to have included him as a companion was to give the opportunity for interplay with Cassandra and give the impression that the interrogation in DA2 had happened immediately preceding the Conclave. To my mind, the reason he was there was never that convincing and so he didn't fit the narrative like Anders did. We already have the companion carry over for DAD and that is Dorian. I don't think he should be a companion next game but he has been set up as the main link with previous events and will probably feature as a contact on behalf of the Inquisition and an advisor on all things Tevinter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2022 9:19:58 GMT
1. The issue is with Corypheus that he didn't really get a lot of screentime or no to flesh him out and make him interesting. While it may be easier to do this with a significant amount of screentime involved this is not mandatory. Indeed the most character development that Cory got in DAI was in the Temple of Dumat...when he wasn't even present. Though sure this does, I guess, remain my biggest concern for BioWare in DA 4 whether they can pull this off. Given their track record I do have concerns in this regard, especially in regards to the Illusive Man, but that doesen't mean they can't...and that Solas's presence can loom large over the narrative whether he is really a part of it or not. I think this is an important point. Corypheus also suffered from the fact that there was some degree of further character development but only on the Templar path, so you only got to see it if you chose to play that path. Whilst this allowed for the replay factor, not everyone does this or had fundamental objections to ever siding with the Templars. I think some of those insights were important to his character, not the least because essentially they were telling a completely different story in the two branches, evidenced by the fact that we always visit the Temple of Dumat but do not always find his memories or the imprisoned Erasthenes. Now a big problem as I see it is that whilst we have all experienced Solas, new players have not. So how are they going to bring them up to speed about him? Is it all going to be in information given before the game launch? In which case people who just buy the game and play it will not see this. Or will these insights be given in-game by codices, which some people don't necessarily find or read. Or will it come from people we meet? I would favour the latter, so my PC is brought up to the same level of knowledge as me, although I feel this can never have the emotional impact that actually spending time with him can have, whether that relationship was romantic, friendly or plain antagonistic. That is what many say makes Solas a unique antagonist but is totally negated if the PC did not actually experience it, or the player in the case of people new to the game. Worse case scenario is they reveal information that is confined to different paths as it then risks Solas suffering from the same problem as Corypheus. Luckily the title at least seems to suggest that the Dreadwolf is going to play a more prominent part in our consciousness than Corypheus did.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2022 9:58:42 GMT
Would just like to point out that technically Corypheus was not trying to destroy the world in the way that Solas is. That would have been a knock on effect of him opening the hole in the Veil, as evidenced by the Dark Future, but that was not his intent. He was trying to alter the political and religious structure of the world to be more in keeping with how he thought it should be. Destroying the world had not been his intent previously when he embarked on his quest to the Black City. It was the result of ambition for greater power but he expected to be greeted by Dumat. Instead, he had visited the throne of the gods and found them absent. The Chantry maintained that they had found the Maker on his golden throne and it was their corrupting presence which caused the Maker to leave and the city to blacken, whereas Corypheus knew this was not true. It was already black when they got there.
In the Dragon Age, the Tevinter he returned to was a shadow of its former glory, whilst in the south mages had been locked up and persecuted, all in the name of the Maker, whom so far as he was concerned did not exist. So he decided to overthrow all the institutions that were grounded on faith in this false god and set up a new world order under his leadership as a true deity. We might know that his actions would ultimately lead to the wholesale destruction of the world but, I repeat, that was not his intent and once we had closed the rift in Act 1, it was not a simple "save the world" scenario but a "thwarting the plans of a potential tyrant" scenario. Only once we had done this did he decide "screw you" and rip open the Veil again in what did seem more a case of "if I can't have what I want then I'll take everyone down with me."
DAO was a save country scenario but the Arch-demon was just a passive participant in this. It didn't influence any of those people who were preventing us from mounting a suitable defense against it. The game was about the political machinations required to get everyone on side and working together. This built to a final showdown with the Arch-demon. If we had failed, Ferelden would likely have been destroyed but eventually someone would have stopped the Arch-demon, probably all the Chevaliers and Grey Wardens massed on the border.
DA2 wasn't about saving the world at all. It was focused on the personal story of Hawke and their rise from penniless refugee to the Champion of Kirkwall. I enjoyed this approach and it was a refreshing change from the save the world scenario but in many ways it did repeat all the political intrigue of DAO.
DAI was about saving the world but, as I explain above, that was not the motivation of the antagonist. If anything, once again, it was about the political structures, both secular and religious, that underpinned the current world order, at least in the south of Thedas. It was about preserving the status quo as much as anything since there were hints at the end of Trespasser that nothing we had done had really altered that, whatever we hoped to achieve.
So in some ways DAD will be different as it is a true save the world scenario because the antagonist had admitted that his intent is to alter the fabric of reality. The writers have now confirmed this. So it will be different because no matter how we influence the political structures in northern Thedas, it won't make an iota of difference to the outcome if we cannot find Solas. He is not building an army in order to conquer. Whatever use he has for the elves flocking to him, it is not for political power. He does not want to rule this world but one of his own making. He thinks this will save his people. That is somewhat different to our previous games and previous antagonists.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 4, 2022 10:41:06 GMT
I'm hoping the Qunari-Tevinter war isn't going to be some underwhelming side plot that we quickly 'fix' on the way to beating the caped big bad. I sort of hope it's the overarching thing that's happening around us. I want to be able to kill some Qunari and maybe sway things in a small way against that side but not sure we should be actively fixing it at all.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2022 11:43:57 GMT
I sort of hope it's the overarching thing that's happening around us. I want to be able to kill some Qunari and maybe sway things in a small way against that side but not sure we should be actively fixing it at all. As I point out above, if we don't locate Solas then it won't matter who is in charge when his plan comes to fruition. In DAO navigating the politics was important in mounting a defense against the Arch-demon and its minions; in DAI restoring some stability to the various institutions was also important in the fight back against Corypheus. Solas is an ancient elven mage with god-like powers, the ability to neutralise his enemies with a thought and a fast travel network. So the mundane conflicts taking place are really only distractions and obstacles that may get in the way of what we are trying to achieve; namely stopping him from bringing his plan to fruition. The only reason that I think negotiating a cease fire might be important in some way is that in Tevinter Nights, his follower was deliberately trying to escalate the conflict. To what end? No doubt all will be made clear in due course, either before the game ships or once our hero gets underway in their adventure.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 4, 2022 12:00:42 GMT
2. Even in world ending plots there can be plenty of nuance and grey areas. See RDMs Battlestar Galactica reboot for a good example...also the Witcher. But even with this title reveal being what it is...which sure could indicate Solas has more of a presence then previous antagonists...I'd still bet dollars to doughnuts that we will still see other side plots throughout the game that have been teased at. Tevinter vs Qunari, Qunari vs Antiva, Grey Wardens, Mortaltassi, Dwarves, the whole thing happening in the Deep Roads with those monstrous creations, etc. Unless this title suggests that the shift to SP came with a significant reduction in scope as well, I would think many of these plots in some part or another. Plus, *puts on tin foil*, this is a bit crazy theory center territory but given the Dwarven nature of reveal...the logo looking more rock like...the fact that it looks like a vault...suggests the Dwarves could maybe play a big part in events and given their relation to the Elves this should not be a surprise. Eh, genocide's pretty much as black and white as you can get. As for things being cut, I actually honestly hope so. That seems far too much to handle in a single game, so some will draw the short sticks and not get the amount of time and effort they deserve. Far better to save some of those things and places for another game. To your second point...granted. But while I did mention a whole bunch of stuff up there this does not imply all these plot points will get equal attention or time. I suspect that the 'Tevinter Nights crazy monster experiements thing' sounds like pretty flimsy lore excuse to justify the next round of 'world bosses' we will be fighting. Likewise there is side quests, DLC, and future games that can all be used to expand on these so their involvement in DA 4 could just be used for teasing and expansions...ugh one day I will get used to calling it DAD...I swear. Also keep in mind that the story space in Inquisition has been fairly criticized...even by me. Most of its side quests really didn't do that much of anything other then be random collection quests...though there were exceptions. Perhaps coincedentally in my night was playing ME 1 and ran into the colony on Trebin where the Salarian scientists were converted into Husks. While this was a fairly bog standard side quest and didn't reveal much it still did tease and do that much more subtle expansion of the lore. And yes it is always a risk to rely too heavily on your side quests...but on the other hand they already exist and are there so you might as well make some use of them. And if they can be used to help flesh out some of the above things I mentioned without taking away from the main plot? So much the better. hell in this example to some of the largest references to the ME dark energy plot came from side quests. 1. The issue is with Corypheus that he didn't really get a lot of screentime or no to flesh him out and make him interesting. While it may be easier to do this with a significant amount of screentime involved this is not mandatory. Indeed the most character development that Cory got in DAI was in the Temple of Dumat...when he wasn't even present. Though sure this does, I guess, remain my biggest concern for BioWare in DA 4 whether they can pull this off. Given their track record I do have concerns in this regard, especially in regards to the Illusive Man, but that doesen't mean they can't...and that Solas's presence can loom large over the narrative whether he is really a part of it or not. I think this is an important point. Corypheus also suffered from the fact that there was some degree of further character development but only on the Templar path, so you only got to see it if you chose to play that path. Whilst this allowed for the replay factor, not everyone does this or had fundamental objections to ever siding with the Templars. I think some of those insights were important to his character, not the least because essentially they were telling a completely different story in the two branches, evidenced by the fact that we always visit the Temple of Dumat but do not always find his memories or the imprisoned Erasthenes. Now a big problem as I see it is that whilst we have all experienced Solas, new players have not. So how are they going to bring them up to speed about him? Is it all going to be in information given before the game launch? In which case people who just buy the game and play it will not see this. Or will these insights be given in-game by codices, which some people don't necessarily find or read. Or will it come from people we meet? I would favour the latter, so my PC is brought up to the same level of knowledge as me, although I feel this can never have the emotional impact that actually spending time with him can have, whether that relationship was romantic, friendly or plain antagonistic. That is what many say makes Solas a unique antagonist but is totally negated if the PC did not actually experience it, or the player in the case of people new to the game. Worse case scenario is they reveal information that is confined to different paths as it then risks Solas suffering from the same problem as Corypheus. Luckily the title at least seems to suggest that the Dreadwolf is going to play a more prominent part in our consciousness than Corypheus did. I think beyond any of the usual conversations over the existance of a new protagonist this still remains the most precient and on the top reason. New Player Character will allow New Player to get used to Solas and experience him for the first time. Sure "We" may have more connection with Solas but then as has been pointed out fairly frequently not everyone cares for him. Beyond that though this is a bit weird position to be in but...for games and stuff it has been staated, by BioWare none the less, something along the lines of you want your games to stand on your own. Yes even in a long standing series with plot points carrying on from game to game like ME or DA you still have to keep an ear towards that 'new player' experience and assume that there will be people who this will be daddy's first DA game. Now you can do this in different ways of course but the kicker here is that in another way the new title drop is a bit of brilliant marketing...not for the fourth Dragon Age game...but for Inquisition. And sure on some level this again applies to all games with overarching plot lines but this is a fairly direct tie in between games...even more of a tie in then say ME 1 or ME 2 when you didn't have to really play ME 1 to get ME 2, in a lot of ways, since TIM had barely any connection to ME 1 and Cerberus and the Reapers got easy explanations in game bringing the new players up to speed.
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Post by Gilli on Jun 4, 2022 14:00:39 GMT
Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebusche@nicoledealart I'd like to call your attention to @eplerjc's current team Slack portrait. 💀
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 4, 2022 14:57:51 GMT
Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheIf “woke” means representation? Confirmed. Happy #PrideMonth y’all! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesLaughs in Zevran, Leliana, Isabela, Fenris, Anders, Merrill, Josephine, The Iron Bull, Sera, and Dorian, and that's only if we're strictly defining wokeness as "possible non-straight romance option." John Epler @eplerjcDamn we lost the weird creepy Twitter dude demographic. Got a dial on my desk labeled 'Dragon Age Wokeness' and every time I read a tweet about DA being too woke I crank it one notch to the right. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawWas it… ever?… not ”woke” by their standards? Maybe we should have tried harder. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIf you STAY woke You don't gotta GET woke Jon Renish @jonrenishIs it too late to change our name to Dragon Age: Dreadwoke? Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawLook, the bad news is that someone's going to have to give this bad news to @davidgaider. I might recommend walking into his office, clapping your hands together and going "Welllll....." A classic move and well-loved, I'm told, by all. John Epler @eplerjcI liked to tell Patrick 'heeey buuddy' with a kind of sheepish look on my face, back when we were in the office. David Gaider @davidgaiderNo please the trauma And, holy hannah, if Dragon Age wasn’t already “woke” by their standards, what would be? Exploding rainbow cannons, all queer cast, mandatory sodomy, what? 🤷♂️ Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesDave, they're making us make it woke now. I'm sorry. I never wanted to disappoint you like this. John Epler @eplerjcForcing Patrick to pull a double shift in the woke mines. Ignoring their warnings that the seam of wokeness is right on a fault line and will lead to complete collapse if not handled carefully. David Gaider @davidgaiderJust be careful you don’t dig too deep and suddenly unleash a drag queen balrog (complete with flaming gay whip) upon the earth. All joking aside, I’m very disappointed in you both. I hear that such wokeness requires a laser-like focus that precludes *anything* else. Like quality! Jesus jumping Christ, Patrick, do I need to remind you to “make it good” again? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI never got that note! I have a bunch of words of wisdom from you I keep by my monitor for inspiration, and the closest I've got are "No dwarf romances" and "I apologize, you're right, Dean is the hot one," whatever that means. David Gaider @davidgaiderPaul Jason Meyer @mulwin444Just pulled from the woke mines...the purest "Purple" David Gaider @davidgaiderOh, you found Patrick’s prose! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOkay I have to break character because that was an AMAZING BURN that made me laugh for a full thirty seconds. John Epler @eplerjcGod DAMN. Jos Hendriks @sjoszHow do they keep finding out about all the woke disaster quests I work on??? Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheThey’ve found out what you’ve been up to Jos! Jos Hendriks @sjoszI'm adding more disaster on Monday, Corinne. Writing myself a note for it. Blair Thorburn @oiblairI think "A Woke Disaster" just became a new weapon name. Maybe it shoots rainbows. Karin Weekes @karinweekesYES PLEASE I WILL SHAMELESSLY BRIBE WHOEVER TO MAKE HAPPEN 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ Blair Thorburn @oiblairKarin Weekes @karinweekesHey, @oiblair - we can have the Woke Disaster rainbow weapon be dual-wielded by a drag queen balrog that has a flaming gay whip in her off hand, right? Blair Thorburn @oiblairIf we all chip in, we can pay for the character art. Karin Weekes @karinweekesJen Cheverie Cott @jencheverieWe'll make it fit! David Gaider @davidgaiderIf not, well, there's always the brood mommy.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 4, 2022 15:13:37 GMT
Now that the DADdy hype has settled down a bit, Mark's recent video on DA2 is a worth a watch...
While it got a lot of criticism at the time for its changes from DAO as well as area reuse, over time it has become the one that is fashionable to like. I think it reveals the true secret of a Dragon Age game.
This is a long one. Maybe Memories and Lessons will get meatier as we continue to approach the present day.
One thing I don't mention in the video but is worth talking about: You can't delay DA2 TOO much or it slams into Skyrim. Those 2 games came out in the same year but are definitely from 2 different generations of RPG.
There was some really toxic stuff directed at women on the Dragon Age team after DA2 came out. I don't do into it in the video for 2 reasons:
1. The toxicity directed at me did not compare (which should give you a strong idea about where it came from) so I don't feel fully equipped to get into it. Maybe that's a bit cowardly.
2. I feel like that group doesn't DESERVE to be the capstone on the video (where it would naturally fit)
I will try to untangle my thoughts there and make a video on its own.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 4, 2022 15:40:48 GMT
That entire "woke" twitter discussion thread. I really love the Was it… ever?… not ”woke” by their standards? Maybe we should have tried harder.and And, holy hannah, if Dragon Age wasn’t already “woke” by their standards, what would be? Also, I guess DADdy is going to be very woke now because the team seems very fired up to crank it up. On a serious note, I take the origin of that entire discussion is that someone learned Maevaris Tilani has a big role in the game.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 4, 2022 16:22:52 GMT
Not sure what the point of such a claim(woke disaster) if you aren't even going to say what it is that you think makes it a disaster. Their games always have had some sort of representation so can't be that. I'll wait for real info personally and like with any other aspect judge if it puts me off.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jun 4, 2022 16:41:31 GMT
Heh, I'm not sure if Jacob being black influenced that (idiotic) decision, or if it was only based on how unpopular he was compared to the rest of the cast. It was still a stupid move to do, with truly no justification. I don't think they'd do the same in any case for Solas, both because I think they learnt from Jacob's debacle (I'm quite sure they didn't expect the reaction to be as negative as it was), and because Solas is much popular, even if it's a controversial character. Well they did reinforce a stereotype with black people when Jacob cheated on Shepard. For a so called progressive company, Bioware has failed miserably in creating decent black characters. Guess we get put in the back burner in favor of other minorities. I’d also like to point out we have never had a black woman romance option (Isabella race is also debated) in any of the Dragon Age games.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 4, 2022 16:50:08 GMT
Not sure what the point of such a claim(woke disaster) if you aren't even going to say what it is that you think makes it a disaster. Their games always have had some sort of representation so can't be that. I'll wait for real info personally and like with any other aspect judge if it's puts me off. I didn't bother investigating, but I wouldn't be surprised if the person who made the claim also complained about DAI and MEA being "too woke" as well. BioWare has been attracting the anti-representation mob squads post 2010, despite BioWare having bisexual romance options since Jade Empire in 2006 and we could add Juhanni in 2003 (KoTOR) for gay representation who fall short of a full romance, but that went over the head of many players back then... Well they did reinforce a stereotype with black people when Jacob cheated on Shepard. For a so called progressive company, Bioware has failed miserably in creating decent black characters. Guess we get put in the back burner in favor of other minorities. I’d also like to point out we have never had a black woman romance option (Isabella race is also debated) in any of the Dragon Age games. That's true. I think part of it might be because before DAI, the engine was just terrible with the dark shade of skin colors. I think it turned greenish, SWTOR had a similar issue early on.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 4, 2022 16:52:08 GMT
Are you working for Bioware or something that you know his final fate and announce it so confidently ? Bioware isn´t really creative about their overall main story. Or do you really believe that Solas can win at the end? Again i have to agree with Hanako. Does Solas goals really matter at the end? We are talking about genocide so yeah Solas is another madman. The Trespasser DLC was not named: "See Solas again" its about trespassing a fitting name for whats happened in the DLC. So yeah for Dreadwolf Solas must be similiar important like the Origins in DAO or the Inquisition in DAI.
So are telling that Leliana and the Inquisitor want to rule and therefore destroy Thedas like a godlike creature like Corypheus? I am sorry but why should this matter for the people who living right now in Thedas? Solas wants to kill them all and restore the glory days of his people. Also who said that Evanuris are really that bad? I think that´s mostly true but maybe not.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 4, 2022 17:03:05 GMT
Except, as I've already pointed out, either on this thread or the DAD one, that curiously they refer back to the 2018 trailer for the "hint" that Solas was going to be a major part of the next game, when they outright flagged him as an enemy in the 2020 trailer. This seemed so odd to me that I wondered if they were trying to quietly play down the relevance of that 2020 trailer, may be because much of what was shown there related to the multi-player elements of the game that have since been dropped. In which case, "we've got your back" related to the Crow, the dagger assassin and the arcane archer showcased there and "I've got your back" to the fact that Varric was going to return in one of the multi-player modules, just as Isabella did in the DAI multi-player. We don´t know that and i would argue that this trailer has been only for Singleplayer. In my opinion your theory has one major weakness if you really believe that Dreadwolf is no representative like the legendary Crestwood Demo don´t you think that we wouldn´t have confirmed it already or remove it entirely? They already used Oghren and Dog before so there no other options left. Except maybe Sten. We already have the companion carry over for DAD and that is Dorian. I don't think he should be a companion next game but he has been set up as the main link with previous events and will probably feature as a contact on behalf of the Inquisition and an advisor on all things Tevinter.
Well you forget one important detail that Dorian is optional and you kick him out anytime if you had enough disapproval after his recruitment. I really don´t think that this Dorian form this world states wants to work for Inquisition or for Inquisitor.
And that´s way Harding is the much better option than Dorian. She has one fate and is always loyal to the Inquisitor. Yes the punched Dorian shows up in Trespasser but he isn´t really that happy to be there. So again this Dorian isn´t that friendly towards the Inquisition.
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Post by smilesja on Jun 4, 2022 17:14:08 GMT
That entire "woke" twitter discussion thread. I really love the Was it… ever?… not ”woke” by their standards? Maybe we should have tried harder.and And, holy hannah, if Dragon Age wasn’t already “woke” by their standards, what would be? Also, I guess DADdy is going to be very woke now because the team seems very fired up to crank it up. On a serious note, I take the origin of that entire discussion is that someone learned Maevaris Tilani has a big role in the game. What is "woke" anyway? People are so vague on the term.
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 4, 2022 17:20:39 GMT
Sounds like click-bait to me, especially since they won't reveal anything of why it would be particularly "woke". Besides, like others have said the game was decently "woke" from the start (being allowed to choose gender? females in positions of authority? gay characters? gay romance options with sex scenes?).
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Jun 4, 2022 17:21:56 GMT
After doing some digging it’s seems the person crying about Dragon Age being woke never played beyond the first game. I doubt he has any real sources he just want something to cry about.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 4, 2022 17:26:47 GMT
Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheIf “woke” means representation? Confirmed. Happy #PrideMonth y’all! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesLaughs in Zevran, Leliana, Isabela, Fenris, Anders, Merrill, Josephine, The Iron Bull, Sera, and Dorian, and that's only if we're strictly defining wokeness as "possible non-straight romance option." John Epler @eplerjcDamn we lost the weird creepy Twitter dude demographic. Got a dial on my desk labeled 'Dragon Age Wokeness' and every time I read a tweet about DA being too woke I crank it one notch to the right. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawWas it… ever?… not ”woke” by their standards? Maybe we should have tried harder. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIf you STAY woke You don't gotta GET woke Jon Renish @jonrenishIs it too late to change our name to Dragon Age: Dreadwoke? Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawLook, the bad news is that someone's going to have to give this bad news to @davidgaider. I might recommend walking into his office, clapping your hands together and going "Welllll....." A classic move and well-loved, I'm told, by all. John Epler @eplerjcI liked to tell Patrick 'heeey buuddy' with a kind of sheepish look on my face, back when we were in the office. David Gaider @davidgaiderNo please the trauma And, holy hannah, if Dragon Age wasn’t already “woke” by their standards, what would be? Exploding rainbow cannons, all queer cast, mandatory sodomy, what? 🤷♂️ Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesDave, they're making us make it woke now. I'm sorry. I never wanted to disappoint you like this. John Epler @eplerjcForcing Patrick to pull a double shift in the woke mines. Ignoring their warnings that the seam of wokeness is right on a fault line and will lead to complete collapse if not handled carefully. David Gaider @davidgaiderJust be careful you don’t dig too deep and suddenly unleash a drag queen balrog (complete with flaming gay whip) upon the earth. All joking aside, I’m very disappointed in you both. I hear that such wokeness requires a laser-like focus that precludes *anything* else. Like quality! Jesus jumping Christ, Patrick, do I need to remind you to “make it good” again? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI never got that note! I have a bunch of words of wisdom from you I keep by my monitor for inspiration, and the closest I've got are "No dwarf romances" and "I apologize, you're right, Dean is the hot one," whatever that means. David Gaider @davidgaiderPaul Jason Meyer @mulwin444Just pulled from the woke mines...the purest "Purple" David Gaider @davidgaiderOh, you found Patrick’s prose! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOkay I have to break character because that was an AMAZING BURN that made me laugh for a full thirty seconds. John Epler @eplerjcGod DAMN. Jos Hendriks @sjoszHow do they keep finding out about all the woke disaster quests I work on??? Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheThey’ve found out what you’ve been up to Jos! Jos Hendriks @sjoszI'm adding more disaster on Monday, Corinne. Writing myself a note for it. Blair Thorburn @oiblairI think "A Woke Disaster" just became a new weapon name. Maybe it shoots rainbows. Karin Weekes @karinweekesYES PLEASE I WILL SHAMELESSLY BRIBE WHOEVER TO MAKE HAPPEN 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ Blair Thorburn @oiblairKarin Weekes @karinweekesHey, @oiblair - we can have the Woke Disaster rainbow weapon be dual-wielded by a drag queen balrog that has a flaming gay whip in her off hand, right? Blair Thorburn @oiblairIf we all chip in, we can pay for the character art. Karin Weekes @karinweekesJen Cheverie Cott @jencheverieWe'll make it fit! David Gaider @davidgaiderIf not, well, there's always the brood mommy. Mocking people on Twitter is always a winning move, marketing-wise...
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Post by QuizzyBunny on Jun 4, 2022 17:32:11 GMT
I mean, the dude doesn't come across as very truthful or knowledgeable looking at his posts and his name/handle.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jun 4, 2022 17:33:42 GMT
Mocking people on Twitter is always a winning move, marketing-wise... Given the number of people in the thread saying that calling the game a 'woke disaster' is more likely to get them to buy it, it probably is.
BioWare have always been extremely clear that people who object to Dragon Age being 'woke' should not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. That's not an audience they care about or want to appeal to.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 4, 2022 17:43:55 GMT
And that´s way Harding is the much better option than Dorian. She has one fate and is always loyal to the Inquisitor. Yes the punched Dorian shows up in Trespasser but he isn´t really that happy to be there. So again this Dorian isn´t that friendly towards the Inquisition. This is true about Harding but I thought the discussion was about returning companions. Harding was a major NPC and there has been no shortage in bringing them back as companions since they did that with Isabella and Merrill from DAO to DA2 and with Cassandra from DA2 to DAI. So bringing back Harding would not be precluded by Dorian being the companion link with DAI. Whilst Dorian can be kicked out/not be on good terms with the Inquisitor, the fact is they do ensure he always returns to represent Tevinter at the Exalted Council in Trespasser. They also always ensure that even if in a romance, he always returns to Tevinter in the end. He also always becomes a Magister, even if you didn't reconcile him with his father, so it does seem they felt it important to establish him as a Magister in Tevinter who had had at least some contact with the Inquisition. Still, I think the important part was that he was in DAI as a companion. The carry over character doesn't necessarily need to have had a strong connection with the organisation we were involved with in the previous game or with our PC. So Dorian could simply be the contact for the Magisterium or the Lucerni, whilst Harding could be the contact for the Inquisition, although I would point out that the "canon" version found in the comics seems to have Dorian as the Inquisition contact in Ventus, so it would seem the default state is probably that he is the contact/advisor in Tevinter and they will probably have worked round the objection that in some states he hates the Inquisitor through initial dialogue. Also, if Dorian were the Inquisition contact, that would leave the way open for him to introduce Harding to you as someone he recommends as a companion. The main objection to using anyone as a companion that featured in the previous game as part of the Inquisition is that Solas knows them. In the epilogue to Trespasser we specifically state we need to find people he doesn't know. That was also the main argument against the Inquisitor returning and playing a major part in the hunt for Solas. So it is entirely possible that neither Dorian nor Harding will be a companion, although that wouldn't preclude them from being advisors and, in the case of Harding, from being a romance.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 4, 2022 17:44:10 GMT
Sounds like click-bait to me, especially since they won't reveal anything of why it would be particularly "woke". Besides, like others have said the game was decently "woke" from the start (being allowed to choose gender? females in positions of authority? gay characters? gay romance options with sex scenes?). Bioware always have been woke. What´s the best Bioware game? Many would say (i am not one of them) that its Kotor 1. And Juhani is without any doubt a gay character.
And have created many strong female characters. The only thing that Bioware hasn´t done right are transgender characters. Krem besides Mae in the comics are good steps in the right way but they also created some transgender as a joke or well Hainly Abrams.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 4, 2022 17:54:08 GMT
Mocking people on Twitter is always a winning move, marketing-wise... Given the number of people in the thread saying that calling the game a 'woke disaster' is more likely to get them to buy it, it probably is.
BioWare have always been extremely clear that people who object to Dragon Age being 'woke' should not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. That's not an audience they care about or want to appeal to.
And the proper, PROFESSIONAL response should be: "We're sorry you feel that way. We believe our game will be fun and accessible to people of all walks of life. We hope that the game when released, it will speak for itself" But deliberately alienating anyone, regardless of how you feel about them, or how they feel about you, well, I work in public service, and my bosses would NOT appreciate me talking that way to anyone, as it would reflect poorly on them.
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