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Post by Iakus on Jun 4, 2022 22:44:09 GMT
Honestly, I wish they called out the bigots more. And yes if you are complaining about something have more PoC or LGBTQ+ characters, you are a racist, homophonic, transphobic, etc bigot. And what's the difference between bigotry and genuine criticism?
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Post by Iakus on Jun 4, 2022 22:53:15 GMT
Then I'll clarify: People who complained about Sera or Dorian being lackluster examples of LGBT content weren't accused of being racist, homophobic, transphobic, etc. People who complain of Bioware becoming increasingly aggressive in promoting such content (rightly or wrongly) ARE. And sometimes by those very devs. I actually admired how Gaider would go out of his way to explain his reasoning behind decisions he made. I didn't always agree with him. But I appreciate that he'd talk about them rather than take potshots behind Twitter. Nowadays, there is no debate, heated or otherwise. RE: correlation, it's because Bioware is much more conciliatory towards one group over the other. The mocking and hot takes are better for clicks on gamer sites. I mean, which is more sensational "Bioware dev explains reasons behind Dorian's tension with his father" or "Bioware dev slams Istaphobes on Twitter"? As for current complaints, I thin Bioware has bigger problems than Twitter nerds complaining about how wokeness given what happened to their last two games. That's a complete separate issue, though, in comparison of what I was mentioning before, so I'm not sure what's the correlation with the former. The first group wouldn't be accused of being racist, transphobic or homophobic because they're arguing that Bioware did a bad job in portraying said content. I'm not one that'd accuse someone of those things without a deeper knowledge on the person that argues about Bioware promoting said content...although I'd question how exactly Bioware became more aggressive in promoting such content, expecially in case of games like DAI were the additional romances in the game, for example, were restricted to straight (women). THat is where discussion comes in. WHY do you think that way? How could Bioware do better? Sadly, there is too much tribalism and name-calling for a productive discussion to happen, it seems. Frankly, I think it should happen. Have two accounts. One for game stuff, one for personal stuff. Or at the very least, keep in mind that everything you post is seen by thousands, if not tens of thousands of other people. And be more mindful of how posting something looks. Don't post something you wouldn't be fine with shouting on a street corner.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Jun 4, 2022 23:08:05 GMT
Blair Thorburn @oiblairI think "A Woke Disaster" just became a new weapon name. Maybe it shoots rainbows. Good. I always wanted a staff which can switch elements on the fly.
What is "woke" anyway? People are so vague on the term. It date back to the 1930s and back then it meant " aware of the racial prejudices and discriminations" impacting the Afro-Americans (they invented the term). Back around 2017, with BLM, it became popular again and used in its proper context. By 2020, it started to be used as an insult/pejorative by the alt right demographic against anything they consider leftist/progressive... In everyday politcal discourse: "woke" = everything which someone who calls themself "conservative" does not like, according to my experience. Sometimes it affects self-described centrists as well. Funny that your explanation was just accused to be a strawman... as opposed to, say, outrage of someone assuming you described mainstream "conservative" politicians who use "woke" pejoratively all the time as being "alt-right". Mocking people on Twitter is always a winning move, marketing-wise... Given the number of people in the thread saying that calling the game a 'woke disaster' is more likely to get them to buy it, it probably is. BioWare have always been extremely clear that people who object to Dragon Age being 'woke' should not let the door hit them in the ass on the way out. That's not an audience they care about or want to appeal to.
There's a line for everything. Especially if it might affect the team themselves, I guess. Like, it looks as if roughly half of the U.S. might be rather inclined to morally mandate Busche out of existence, to use the old Janice Raymond wording, and if the current trends continue, it will happen sooner rather than later. --- Being "bigoted" against bigots is not the same as being bigoted against LGBTQ+ or PoC.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 4, 2022 23:20:59 GMT
Being "bigoted" against bigots is not the same as being bigoted against LGBTQ+ or PoC.
Bigots always assume their bigotry is justified.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 4, 2022 23:38:42 GMT
Bigotry tends to be wrong no matter what the circumstances. Or at least to borrow a quaint phrase bigotry and collectovism are always paths to the darkside and should be fought against tooth and nail. It is fine to be against any form of bigotry you want, I am, but when we start painting with wide brushes even the bigots then that opens up to a whole host of logical issues...not the least of which the tendency to start assuming people who aren't bigots are simply out of misunderstanding.
On this whole matter though...what tends to be the number 1 rule of forum eittquette and hell even internet ettiquette? Don't feed the trolls. Now its not always easy for people to follow and indeed I think most people don't but it tends to be the one thing that mods around here and elsewhere tell us when not chatting with one another. Don't feed the trolls. Don't engage them. If they are really bothering you use your handy block feature. And while I am sure that people from BioWare are human like the rest of us and can give into temptation it still does not mean they should or that it is especially professional to do so. Sure this is always a difficult balance to hit because there is competing temptations and ideals here but it is always something to keep in mind to. Don't give press to someone who was probably just looking for it...
Because honestly both sides of this debate just drove me up the wall.
Edit: And probably dipping my toe in further cliches here but how do you make someone not a bigot? I find its better to attract bees with sugar then with vinegear. But you talk tot hem, you try and find out why they feel the way they do and maybe just being understanding will open a chip in the sales. You do not tend to do so by engaging hate with even more hate. Martin Luther King, Jackie Robinson, Ghandi, all these people gave us examples and showed us what we could do and from their example and by being peaceful and teaching tolerance even towards horrible people they managed to make the world a little less bigoted.
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Post by Iakus on Jun 4, 2022 23:48:18 GMT
Bigotry tends to be wrong no matter what the circumstances. Or at least to borrow a quaint phrase bigotry and collectovism are always paths to the darkside and should be fought against tooth and nail. It is fine to be against any form of bigotry you want, I am, but when we start painting with wide brushes even the bigots then that opens up to a whole host of logical issues...not the least of which the tendency to start assuming people who aren't bigots are simply out of misunderstanding. On this whole matter though...what tends to be the number 1 rule of forum eittquette and hell even internet ettiquette? Don't feed the trolls. Now its not always easy for people to follow and indeed I think most people don't but it tends to be the one thing that mods around here and elsewhere tell us when not chatting with one another. Don't feed the trolls. Don't engage them. If they are really bothering you use your handy block feature. And while I am sure that people from BioWare are human like the rest of us and can give into temptation it still does not mean they should or that it is especially professional to do so. Sure this is always a difficult balance to hit because there is competing temptations and ideals here but it is always something to keep in mind to. Don't give press to someone who was probably just looking for it... Because honestly both sides of this debate just drove me up the wall. Edit: And probably dipping my toe in further cliches here but how do you make someone not a bigot? I find its better to attract bees with sugar then with vinegear. But you talk tot hem, you try and find out why they feel the way they do and maybe just being understanding will open a chip in the sales. You do not tend to do so by engaging hate with even more hate. Martin Luther King, Jackie Robinson, Ghandi, all these people gave us examples and showed us what we could do and from their example and by being peaceful and teaching tolerance even towards horrible people they managed to make the world a little less bigoted. Like I have always been taught, when a customer gets to be too much, excuse yourself (politely) and hold your fuming until you're back in the office where no one but your coworkers can see.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 4, 2022 23:50:46 GMT
Bigotry tends to be wrong no matter what the circumstances. Or at least to borrow a quaint phrase bigotry and collectovism are always paths to the darkside and should be fought against tooth and nail. It is fine to be against any form of bigotry you want, I am, but when we start painting with wide brushes even the bigots then that opens up to a whole host of logical issues...not the least of which the tendency to start assuming people who aren't bigots are simply out of misunderstanding. On this whole matter though...what tends to be the number 1 rule of forum eittquette and hell even internet ettiquette? Don't feed the trolls. Now its not always easy for people to follow and indeed I think most people don't but it tends to be the one thing that mods around here and elsewhere tell us when not chatting with one another. Don't feed the trolls. Don't engage them. If they are really bothering you use your handy block feature. And while I am sure that people from BioWare are human like the rest of us and can give into temptation it still does not mean they should or that it is especially professional to do so. Sure this is always a difficult balance to hit because there is competing temptations and ideals here but it is always something to keep in mind to. Don't give press to someone who was probably just looking for it... Because honestly both sides of this debate just drove me up the wall. Edit: And probably dipping my toe in further cliches here but how do you make someone not a bigot? I find its better to attract bees with sugar then with vinegear. But you talk tot hem, you try and find out why they feel the way they do and maybe just being understanding will open a chip in the sales. You do not tend to do so by engaging hate with even more hate. Martin Luther King, Jackie Robinson, Ghandi, all these people gave us examples and showed us what we could do and from their example and by being peaceful and teaching tolerance even towards horrible people they managed to make the world a little less bigoted. Like I have always been taught, when a customer gets to be too much, excuse yourself (politely) and hold your fuming until you're back in the office where no one but your coworkers can see. Even though the context is entirely different for my job and usually I don't deal with people being out and out bigoted to me I also try and maintain that level in my job to. Bitch and moan when you are safely in the back room where no one can hear you.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 4, 2022 23:55:00 GMT
It date back to the 1930s and back then it meant " aware of the racial prejudices and discriminations" impacting the Afro-Americans (they invented the term). Back around 2017, with BLM, it became popular again and used in its proper context. By 2020, it started to be used as an insult/pejorative by the alt right demographic against anything they consider leftist/progressive... In everyday politcal discourse: "woke" = everything which someone who calls themself "conservative" does not like, according to my experience. Sometimes it affects self-described centrists as well. Funny that your explanation was just accused to be a strawman... as opposed to, say, outrage of someone assuming you described mainstream "conservative" politicians who use "woke" pejoratively all the time as being "alt-right". Where I live, the self proclaimed "centrist" politician who used woke as an insult (in parliament against the leader of the most social party) a year ago is now embracing very ethno-centric ideas and politics that are creeping into fascisms territory... Also, the local media had no idea what it meant (I don't live in the US). And, I had the impression alt-right meant people who saw "political correctness" and "social justice" has something that was threatening them (or their opinions), but looks like it's a bit more specific so yeah, I probably should have went with a more generic "right inclined people".
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Post by biggydx on Jun 5, 2022 0:16:07 GMT
a drag queen balrog that has a flaming gay whip in her off hand, right? I don't know why this got a chuckle out of me lol. All I can picture is some Balrog in brimstone high-heels walking towards that narrow bridge saying "Honey, you aint stopping me from crossing over this bridge" (savagely cracks rainbow whip)
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 5, 2022 0:18:08 GMT
Re: who i'd like to see return in DAD
I rather hope we don't have a dai companion return as a companion (as opposed to an npc or adviser). While I've enjoyed when npcs have been upgraded to companions (Isabella, Merrill, Cassandra) and I've enjoyed when companions have returned as npcs (Leliana, morrigan, warden Alistair). I haven't been so fond of companions returning as companions.
I didn't enjoy oghren, justice, and varric as much in their second showing as in their debut. (I was fairly neutral on awakenings Anders so my like followed by sense of betrayal and dislike for Anders in da2 was a step up). And i feel like the only return that was truly necessary was Anders/Justice. To get the full effect of that plot line they needed to be people I already knew, else I'd have just assumed the spirit was a demon and the mage was either lying or being lied too. As opposed to seeing someone i knew and liked being corrupted, establishing the idea that spirits can become demons and mortals can affect spirits, which would later be confirmed by Solas in dai.
So while I'd happily see Dorian as an adviser or npc. And see Velanna, Shale, Isabela, and Fenris show up as npcs. I'd like new and promoted characters for our companions. Calpernia or Scout Harding for a promoted character as an example.
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Post by biggydx on Jun 5, 2022 1:06:48 GMT
Personally, I want a wholly unique companion line-up. Cameo's become a bit too prominent in all too many BioWare games. Funny enough, the completely new squad of companions in Andromeda was something I actually liked (various flaws with said characters withstanding). If the theme of the game is to have someone take the fight against Solas, who he's oblivious to, why shouldn't this also apply to the MC's companions?
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Jun 5, 2022 4:35:44 GMT
So. I had a long day today and I dozed off only to wake up to a Jessie Cox video declaring the title has officially been confirmed this morning. So I have no idea how this bigots conversation started cus I just skipped straight to this page. And I also don’t really care. So I’m just gonna say :
Actual News?! YAY!
Also, this has probably been discussed and I’m late to the party, but it seems like the main conflict they’re pushing in the promotional stuff I saw is Solas’ duality? Which tracks with the teaser painting. I wonder if that’ll be the gimmick of the game somehow? Instead of paragon/renegade, it’ll be our actions all game influencing his character and choices or final choice?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2022 4:37:09 GMT
Criticism is fine. Shoehorned inclusion is bad.
More inclusion, done well and not for tokenism, is the goal. That's pretty simple, straightforward.
Is it unobjectionable?
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Post by biggydx on Jun 5, 2022 7:00:04 GMT
Criticism is fine. Shoehorned inclusion is bad. More inclusion, done well and not for tokenism, is the goal. That's pretty simple, straightforward. Is it unobjectionable? I didn't really want to jump into this particular discussion, because I feel that it often ends up leading to people being entrenched more into their own beliefs (and the conversations get messy). When working on games that are meant to be story-driven, as a majority of BioWare games tend to be, I would want the characters built in this genre to have strong narrative design BECAUSE the game is story-driven. Not simply because they belong to a minority group, and therefore have to clear this artificial bar or standard that's been imposed upon them. I want to be charitable here and assume you feel the same. However, there are those out there that have this weird form of gatekeeping as to which character type should/shouldn't be allowed in a game. If the idea is to see these characters featured more often, then I don't know why people have this notion that they can only be 8+/10 characters with few - or any - flaws. And I say that for those who are also in favor of more inclusivity of character types, as I see those sentiments echoed in parts of those groups as well. The more saturation you have with these types of characters, the higher the likelihood that you'll have some from this group that are written poorly, or just aren't personable enough. It's the same way when you think about the multitude of male (often White or Asian) characters we've seen in videogaming. There are going to be characters from these under-represented groups who end up failing, even in the story-driven genre, but I think people need to be willing to accept that. Especially if exposure is the name of the game for you. To give some food for thought, the practice of making a character modeled off of the largest gaming demographic (i.e. White/Asian males) can be just as much of an "agenda" as any other decision made by a developer/publisher. In this respect, it's to appeal to the largest demographic(s) so your game has a larger degree of appeal; potentially increasing revenue. It's not a bad thing in and of itself (from a business sense). You want to make money as a company. But to believe that this also doesn't get in the way of narrative or creative design is also silly. Just look at this article from years back regarding a game called, Remember Me, and how the publishers for the game declined to publish it and tried to persuade Dontnod Entertainment (the studio that made the game) to make the character male; to boost profits. Here's a quote from the article: This was what they [the developer] dealt with, even though they structured the game around the main character being female (i.e. not shoehorned). All I'm trying to get at is that the shoehorning of a particular character type isn't just limited to minority groups. Sometimes it's also done to appeal to the majority. Since this conversation started (from what I'm getting) due to someone's outcry about there potentially being a transgendered character in DA4, let me end on this. Some players just don't want to see these types of characters in their videogames. Others might be fine with them appearing in-game, but may harbor skepticism about the quality of their narrative design. The only way to engage with these players (as a developer) is by having them play the game (and interact with said character), giving them affirmations about how "we promise they wont suck", or by that player looking into the game through other media sources. If those don't work, there's not much else you can do that doesn't involve a deep-dive into their personal beliefs. I also wouldn't want to see BioWare compromise their own creative process because a vocal minority either, even if I may not like what comes out of it (talking about other game-related factors). Maevaris looks to be a pretty prominent character in the Dragon Age lore, especially in Tevinter. I believe this is also supported with books/novels. Removing this character from the game, as some kind of compromise/bridge-builder, would probably do more harm than good honestly.
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Post by Fredward on Jun 5, 2022 7:05:48 GMT
I can't believe we've been having this same discussion for like ten years. One thing that I've never really received an answer to is this: to those objecting to "wokeness" or w/e there's often a supposed distinction between 'genuine' inclusion and 'tokenism', this raises the question of where exactly is this line? Cuz, after being privy to this conversation for a decade I can comfortably tell you there doesn't seem to be an actual line. Once upon a time it was about different skin colours in a proto medieval England setting. Then it was about masculine female warriors. Then it was about characters whose "only" facet was their sexuality. In DAD it's probably going to be about Maevaris and transgenderism. You cannot include any novel representation without being accused of wokeism. There is no line because the line always moves to the new thing and then to represent themselves as being reasonable they go the revisionist route "Oh well everything before this specific point was acceptable to some degree but now THIS THIS is going to far I say!" Not even getting into the facile assumption that for some inexplicable reason that this particular political (and before someone says politics is exactly the problem, spare me. Making a game ala the golden era of the 1990s or whenever was also a political decision the only difference is the lack of the recognition of such) slant is somehow foundationally tied with a decline in overall quality.
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Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheIf “woke” means representation? Confirmed. Happy #PrideMonth y’all! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesLaughs in Zevran, Leliana, Isabela, Fenris, Anders, Merrill, Josephine, The Iron Bull, Sera, and Dorian, and that's only if we're strictly defining wokeness as "possible non-straight romance option." John Epler @eplerjcDamn we lost the weird creepy Twitter dude demographic. Got a dial on my desk labeled 'Dragon Age Wokeness' and every time I read a tweet about DA being too woke I crank it one notch to the right. Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawWas it… ever?… not ”woke” by their standards? Maybe we should have tried harder. Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesIf you STAY woke You don't gotta GET woke Jon Renish @jonrenishIs it too late to change our name to Dragon Age: Dreadwoke? Mike Laidlaw @mike_LaidlawLook, the bad news is that someone's going to have to give this bad news to @davidgaider. I might recommend walking into his office, clapping your hands together and going "Welllll....." A classic move and well-loved, I'm told, by all. John Epler @eplerjcI liked to tell Patrick 'heeey buuddy' with a kind of sheepish look on my face, back when we were in the office. David Gaider @davidgaiderNo please the trauma And, holy hannah, if Dragon Age wasn’t already “woke” by their standards, what would be? Exploding rainbow cannons, all queer cast, mandatory sodomy, what? 🤷♂️ Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesDave, they're making us make it woke now. I'm sorry. I never wanted to disappoint you like this. John Epler @eplerjcForcing Patrick to pull a double shift in the woke mines. Ignoring their warnings that the seam of wokeness is right on a fault line and will lead to complete collapse if not handled carefully. David Gaider @davidgaiderJust be careful you don’t dig too deep and suddenly unleash a drag queen balrog (complete with flaming gay whip) upon the earth. All joking aside, I’m very disappointed in you both. I hear that such wokeness requires a laser-like focus that precludes *anything* else. Like quality! Jesus jumping Christ, Patrick, do I need to remind you to “make it good” again? Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesI never got that note! I have a bunch of words of wisdom from you I keep by my monitor for inspiration, and the closest I've got are "No dwarf romances" and "I apologize, you're right, Dean is the hot one," whatever that means. David Gaider @davidgaiderPaul Jason Meyer @mulwin444Just pulled from the woke mines...the purest "Purple" David Gaider @davidgaiderOh, you found Patrick’s prose! Patrick Weekes @patrickweekesOkay I have to break character because that was an AMAZING BURN that made me laugh for a full thirty seconds. John Epler @eplerjcGod DAMN. Jos Hendriks @sjoszHow do they keep finding out about all the woke disaster quests I work on??? Corinne Busche 🏳️⚧️ @corinnebuscheThey’ve found out what you’ve been up to Jos! Jos Hendriks @sjoszI'm adding more disaster on Monday, Corinne. Writing myself a note for it. Blair Thorburn @oiblairI think "A Woke Disaster" just became a new weapon name. Maybe it shoots rainbows. Karin Weekes @karinweekesYES PLEASE I WILL SHAMELESSLY BRIBE WHOEVER TO MAKE HAPPEN 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ Blair Thorburn @oiblairKarin Weekes @karinweekesHey, @oiblair - we can have the Woke Disaster rainbow weapon be dual-wielded by a drag queen balrog that has a flaming gay whip in her off hand, right? Blair Thorburn @oiblairIf we all chip in, we can pay for the character art. Karin Weekes @karinweekesJen Cheverie Cott @jencheverieWe'll make it fit! David Gaider @davidgaiderIf not, well, there's always the brood mommy. Anyone else feel like Dragon Age: Dreadwoke is a more interesting title than what we have now? Just me? As someone posted early Dreadwolf is just too on the nose and straightforward to be interesting at all. Looking forward to seeing how the game turns out
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 5, 2022 8:36:16 GMT
Also, this has probably been discussed and I’m late to the party, but it seems like the main conflict they’re pushing in the promotional stuff I saw is Solas’ duality? Which tracks with the teaser painting. I wonder if that’ll be the gimmick of the game somehow? Instead of paragon/renegade, it’ll be our actions all game influencing his character and choices or final choice? I've been discussing this on the actual Dreadwolf thread. I think that our actions affecting which aspect of Solas is dominant by the end could well be part of the mix. I also think that ultimately we will have to confront the Dreadwolf in the Fade. I would love a finale where if I have done the right research and collected relevant information, that I can talk down the Dreadwolf with logic (as was an option in the original Planescape: Torment) rather than simply fight him. People who just want to slaughter the Dreadwolf can dispense with that option, or not even both doing the research in the first place, and fight him instead.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 5, 2022 8:47:49 GMT
Also, this has probably been discussed and I’m late to the party, but it seems like the main conflict they’re pushing in the promotional stuff I saw is Solas’ duality? Which tracks with the teaser painting. I wonder if that’ll be the gimmick of the game somehow? Instead of paragon/renegade, it’ll be our actions all game influencing his character and choices or final choice? I've been discussing this on the actual Dreadwolf thread. I think that our actions affecting which aspect of Solas is dominant by the end could well be part of the mix. I also think that ultimately we will have to confront the Dreadwolf in the Fade. I would love a finale where if I have done the right research and collected relevant information, that I can talk down the Dreadwolf with logic (as was an option in the original Planescape: Torment) rather than simply fight him. People who just want to slaughter the Dreadwolf can dispense with that option, or not even both doing the research in the first place, and fight him instead. But can I do all the research to defeat him with logic, and then put him down like the mad dog he is?
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Post by TabithaTH on Jun 5, 2022 8:59:59 GMT
Seems to still be pretty relevant.
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Post by Solas on Jun 5, 2022 9:14:15 GMT
Re: Dreadwoke, well, there was an eclipse and Fen'Harel stirred
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Post by azarhal on Jun 5, 2022 11:41:59 GMT
Anyone else feel like Dragon Age: Dreadwoke is a more interesting title than what we have now? Just me? As someone posted early Dreadwolf is just too on the nose and straightforward to be interesting at all. Looking forward to seeing how the game turns out Dreadwoke sound like an horror title, as woke fits with awoken there. Something that would fit if the game was all about those "wells". You know the ones, unless you haven't read that* story in Tevinter Nights. *Horror of Hormak
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 5, 2022 12:24:17 GMT
Personally, I want a wholly unique companion line-up. Cameo's become a bit too prominent in all too many BioWare games. Funny enough, the completely new squad of companions in Andromeda was something I actually liked (various flaws with said characters withstanding). If the theme of the game is to have someone take the fight against Solas, who he's oblivious to, why shouldn't this also apply to the MC's companions? I think that a party with all new faces is a bit too much. There should be atleast one character fans recognize from the previous game who serves as a connection between the games. But i don´t think that Dreadwolf needs someone who has been already a companion. I don´t mind Varric in DAI or Dog in Witch Hunt but i prefer their route into promoting secondary characters into companions for the next game aka Isabela, Merrill and Cassandra. Those seem to work better for series like Dragon Age who change with every new main game its playercharacter.
I believe that DAI has the best party mix. 3 returning characters and 6 new ones. So why not also for Dreadwolf?
1: One recognize face (was previously a companion but like i said i don´t think that DAD needs one) My pick of course Lace Harding
2: A secondary character that wasn´t that flesh out who Bioware likes to continue Also no surprise Calpernia for me
3: Some one from other medium (comics, movies or books)
After Cole who has been a book character and no new & relevant movie i guess its character from the comics. And coming back to current discussion well why not Maevaris as the first transgender companion from Bioware?
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Post by The Elder King on Jun 5, 2022 13:16:08 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into it, but Corinne Busche liked this tweet.
I do think that the colour change for Dreadwolf is intentional and will have some in-game connection.
In regards of the quotes in that tweet, I do wonder if they'll connect Sandal's 'profecies' with Solas.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 5, 2022 13:29:08 GMT
I wouldn't read too much into it, but Corinne Busche liked this tweet. I do think that the colour change for Dreadwolf is intentional and will have some in-game connection. In regards of the quotes in that tweet, I do wonder if they'll connect Sandal's 'profecies' with Solas. Interesting cherry picked quotes. I'm taking that tweet to the speculation thread... *run off*
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