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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2022 8:24:14 GMT
I've been assuming that they would go missing (assumed dead) in the West searching for the Cure. Leaving us to imagine whether they died, or found a cure but never returned, or secretly returned still dying or not. There are two problems to this assumption. The first is that Morrigan not only knew where he was, if they are an item, but was intending on joining him after leaving the Inquisition, so that the Hero had not simply gone missing (assumed dead). The second was a Hero in a relationship with Leliana, who not only knows where they are but in the epilogue to Trespasser they have returned and are living with her, whether she is Divine or a private citizen (not sure what the case would be if they are married to Anora and she is merely their mistress). This latter example was particularly problematic in quietly forgetting about the Hero. At least it was possible in the case of Morrigan for the writers to argue they disappeared without trace as a family after she joined him. With Leliana they are back in civilisation with everyone aware of it. As a consequence, at the very least I would expect a codex confirming that all the Heroes eventually returned, their search for a cure being unsuccessful and shortly after headed for the Deep Roads or committed suicide or simply keeled over and died. On the other hand, if they did find a cure, may be there will be a codex to indicate as much, although I think this is highly unlikely. It was obvious the "search for a cure" was simply the best idea they could come up with for why the Warden wasn't mixed up in the business with Corypheus and yet Leliana maintained they had mysteriously disappeared at the end of DA2. If we ever travel outside of Thedas it could be so far forward in the games timeline that the HoF could have died of old age.See my earlier post. Wardens do not die of old age. Even if they manage to extend their life, as Avernus did, they still eventually succumb to the taint, not simply grow old gracefully. If the Hero found a cure that allowed this, why didn't they immediately return and report it? Besides, see what I say above about a Warden in a relationship with Leliana. Any future story line concerning the Hero would also have to take into account that in some world states they had sacrificed themselves. Now, there is an alternative scenario that could be part of the plot of the next game; what if they did find a cure but the leadership at Weisshaupt suppressed the information? We know that Fiona was treated as something of a pariah by the other Wardens when it was discovered she no longer had the taint, when you would think this was something they would want to investigate further, not only for the sake of their own members but because of the implications for the world generally. In fact, since Fiona was cured, we know that it is possible. So what if the Hero found a potential cure, reported it to Weisshaupt and it went no further? In this scenario, no matter who they were linked to romantically, the Hero could have subsequently returned to Weisshaupt to enquire what was going on and it was at this point that they disappeared permanently. In the case of a sacrificed Hero, this could just be a generic warden who was friends with someone who was aware of their claim. Our new hero could either become involved at the specific request of the significant other and this is the lead that takes us to Weisshaupt (that does seem likely to feature next game based off the concept art) or they come across this plot thread by accident having gone to Weisshaupt for some other reason. In either case, what they discover are the bones of the Hero, from which they can deduce foul play and the story of what happened to them and why develops from there. So we never actually see our Hero again but they do play their part in future events.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 24, 2022 8:35:55 GMT
Personally i think they should bite the bullet and have the Warden having succumbed to the blight. I would like this. The HOF is never going to appear again and it's time to let go. Let him die like a good Warden. Let him walk into the deep roads and slay Darkspawn until he drops - maybe he can bring Alistair along too.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 24, 2022 12:36:08 GMT
As the wheel turns. The hero of Ferelden who saved the day gets treated like modern day vets by their gov. It's sad I tell you... sad.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 24, 2022 12:52:34 GMT
Multiverse theory tells us that in an alternate reality, a cure is found. Wardens are estactic and our hero marries Ieliana or Morrigan and lives happily ever. after.
Bio writers can come up with any reasonable plot lines for the next game. So, if Solas gets killed before his Armaggedon scenario, what will the writers come up with in DA5? Well, that's easy. They write a DA:O prequel.... maybe a century or two in the past. Maybe a game in the future, say a century or so.. That gives them plenty of leg room to entertain us with ribald story quests.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 24, 2022 13:55:02 GMT
I would just write it “The HoF is in the south and has no reason to be involved in these happenings”
Or just not mention the Warden any further.
Honestly I think people are a bit too hung up on the fate of the HoF.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2022 15:10:01 GMT
Honestly I think people are a bit too hung up on the fate of the HoF. I was happy to leave them as they were at the end of Awakening, which so far as I can remember just said that eventually they left the people they knew and I assumed this was due to their Calling. However, the writers were the ones who insisted on keeping them active in people's minds. Firstly, when Leliana made that cryptic remark at the end of DA2, which implied the disappearance was not only strange but linked to that of Hawke. I remember there was a lot of speculation about what that might mean at the time. I wonder why they did that in view of the fact there was no link between the two but suspected that possibly the idea originally was for Hawke's Warden contact to be the Hero, which they later abandoned as too complicated to achieve (wasn't that confirmed somewhere?). So, having eliminated that reason for seeing the Hero again, what did they do but have them off on a wild goose chase for some "cure" for the blight. Still, that did mean that they had been left safely somewhere out west and could be quietly forgotten about, only for them to wreck it again by having a Hero in a romance with Leliana return and take up residence with her. Now I would be happy for them to leave them there but for the fact that they never mentioned what happened with regard to that mysterious cure. If nothing else I would like a codex confirming they were unsuccessful and there was no cure in the west. Then, perhaps, an additional note to say that as a consequence they followed their Calling a few years later. That would tie off their story once and for all. It is the constant revival of the Warden by the writers that has been the problem rather than players being too hung up on their fate.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 24, 2022 16:39:29 GMT
I would just write it “The HoF is in the south and has no reason to be involved in these happenings” Or just not mention the Warden any further. Honestly I think people are a bit too hung up on the fate of the HoF.
The sands of time.
During DA:I development, fans were clamoring for the Warden and Hawke and Morrigan and Leliana. Fans now are either suffering from memory loss, are jaded or lost interest.
Will fans come back for DA:DW? or are we talking hard core fans only?
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 24, 2022 16:49:27 GMT
Honestly I think people are a bit too hung up on the fate of the HoF. Snip It is the constant revival of the Warden by the writers that has been the problem rather than players being too hung up on their fate.
What do you expect? It's been 20+ years since the Warden. Kindling interest is a marketing ploy. My take on this is that the "old" fans moved on. .... except for BSN members, I doubt most DA:O players are still around.
Having a warden in DA:DW as a NPC option is like throwing some candy around. Some are eager to pick it up.
Now suppose.. just suppose this warden is the Hero of Ferelden and we get to play the HoF as the protagonist. Remember the teaser? "They will never see it coming?".
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Post by Julilla on Jun 24, 2022 17:57:59 GMT
I just want them to leave my Warden Queen alone. I don't want her dead or in the Deep Roads. Just leave me to my headcanon, please.
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Jun 24, 2022 18:57:31 GMT
Meh! My warden went on a lads tour to the south. Found a cure for the blight, Indy Jones and the holy grail style. Then came back to Divine Leliana, who told the rest of the chantry to “STFU. We can all marry now. Now fetch me another holy Margarita.” Then retired to the beach with said divine and embarked on a quest to taste every cocktail in Thedas. Whatever Bio comes up with regarding the HoF. If it doesn’t copy that exact story, then I’ll consider it the same canon as the comics and throw anything that doesn’t match in the sea!
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 24, 2022 19:30:12 GMT
Honestly I think people are a bit too hung up on the fate of the HoF. I was happy to leave them as they were at the end of Awakening, which so far as I can remember just said that eventually they left the people they knew and I assumed this was due to their Calling. However, the writers were the ones who insisted on keeping them active in people's minds. Firstly, when Leliana made that cryptic remark at the end of DA2, which implied the disappearance was not only strange but linked to that of Hawke. I remember there was a lot of speculation about what that might mean at the time. I wonder why they did that in view of the fact there was no link between the two but suspected that possibly the idea originally was for Hawke's Warden contact to be the Hero, which they later abandoned as too complicated to achieve (wasn't that confirmed somewhere?). So, having eliminated that reason for seeing the Hero again, what did they do but have them off on a wild goose chase for some "cure" for the blight. This. I'd like as much as anyone to catch up with the Warden again but realistically I know it's never going to happen and probably shouldn't happen for the good of us all. It's why I find the constant teases mostly annoying at this point.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jun 24, 2022 19:49:57 GMT
I just want them to leave my Warden Queen alone. I don't want her dead or in the Deep Roads. Just leave me to my headcanon, please. ^ same ...just let my Warden be happy with Zevran traveling the world whilst stopping by Denerim alienage once a year to see the family to check on her elven militia ...I have a lot of head canon concerning my Tabris
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2022 19:53:43 GMT
I just want them to leave my Warden Queen alone. I don't want her dead or in the Deep Roads. Just leave me to my headcanon, please. ^ same ...just let my Warden be happy with Zevran traveling the world whilst stopping by Denerim alienage once a year to see the family to check on her elven militia ...I have a lot of head canon concerning my Tabris weirdly enough my headcanon for Mal is pretty much what they ended up doing anyways.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 24, 2022 20:04:35 GMT
Now suppose.. just suppose this warden is the Hero of Ferelden and we get to play the HoF as the protagonist. Remember the teaser? " They will never see it coming?". Someone did a video on You Tube suggesting the same thing with regard to the Inquisitor. The idea was something along the lines that all that stuff about tying off their story and "time for a new hero" was just to throw us off. After all, it tied off their story as Lord Inquisitor of Thedas and they no longer have their "magic hand", so effectively would be back to square one (since they would have to relearn all their skills) and thus a new hero. I think this is unlikely but I would infinitely prefer it to bringing back the Warden in whatever capacity or Hawke for that matter. With the number of years that have passed since the last game, I'd rather they keep all our previous heroes down south and start afresh.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 24, 2022 20:09:01 GMT
Firstly, when Leliana made that cryptic remark at the end of DA2, which implied the disappearance was not only strange but linked to that of Hawke. I remember there was a lot of speculation about what that might mean at the time. I wonder why they did that in view of the fact there was no link between the two but suspected that possibly the idea originally was for Hawke's Warden contact to be the Hero, which they later abandoned as too complicated to achieve (wasn't that confirmed somewhere?). So, having eliminated that reason for seeing the Hero again, what did they do but have them off on a wild goose chase for some "cure" for the blight. Still, that did mean that they had been left safely somewhere out west and could be quietly forgotten about, only for them to wreck it again by having a Hero in a romance with Leliana return and take up residence with her. Now I would be happy for them to leave them there but for the fact that they never mentioned what happened with regard to that mysterious cure. If nothing else I would like a codex confirming they were unsuccessful and there was no cure in the west. Then, perhaps, an additional note to say that as a consequence they followed their Calling a few years later. That would tie off their story once and for all. It is the constant revival of the Warden by the writers that has been the problem rather than players being too hung up on their fate. The issue back then was more, “how do we justify not involving the Warden in events as momentous as Inquisition’s taking place in the same area”. I can see why they felt there needed to be some answer to that, even if they made the cause too interesting a tease. Beyond that though, I don’t want to see the HoF story “tied off”, I want them to leave it alone and let everyone have their headcanon for how their Warden’s story played out from there. Maybe they found a cure, but it wasn’t something they could use on others so it didn’t mean much to the whole order. Maybe they didn’t find it and dutifully went to their Calling. Maybe they’re traveling the countryside with their LI. Better not to be definitive about it.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 24, 2022 20:11:48 GMT
Firstly, when Leliana made that cryptic remark at the end of DA2, which implied the disappearance was not only strange but linked to that of Hawke. I remember there was a lot of speculation about what that might mean at the time. I wonder why they did that in view of the fact there was no link between the two but suspected that possibly the idea originally was for Hawke's Warden contact to be the Hero, which they later abandoned as too complicated to achieve (wasn't that confirmed somewhere?). So, having eliminated that reason for seeing the Hero again, what did they do but have them off on a wild goose chase for some "cure" for the blight. Still, that did mean that they had been left safely somewhere out west and could be quietly forgotten about, only for them to wreck it again by having a Hero in a romance with Leliana return and take up residence with her. Now I would be happy for them to leave them there but for the fact that they never mentioned what happened with regard to that mysterious cure. If nothing else I would like a codex confirming they were unsuccessful and there was no cure in the west. Then, perhaps, an additional note to say that as a consequence they followed their Calling a few years later. That would tie off their story once and for all. It is the constant revival of the Warden by the writers that has been the problem rather than players being too hung up on their fate. The issue back then was more, “how do we justify not involving the Warden in events as momentous as Inquisition’s taking place in the same area”. I can see why they felt there needed to be some answer to that, even if they made the cause too interesting a tease. Beyond that though, I don’t want to see the HoF story “tied off”, I want them to leave it alone and let everyone have their headcanon for how their Warden’s story played out from there. Maybe they found a cure, but it wasn’t something they could use on others so it didn’t mean much to the whole order. Maybe they didn’t find it and dutifully went to their Calling. Maybe they’re traveling the countryside with their LI. Better not to be definitive about it. Yeah while I was *fine* with Hawke's portryal in Inquisition you certainly risk of stepping on people's toes the more you define *their* character (I mean I don't think of the character as mine anymore but then wer're not talking about me lol) But this is also kind of the reason why I want the Inquisitor to stay far away from Dreadwolf unless they are the protagonist or co protagonist and we get to control them.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 24, 2022 20:32:17 GMT
I didn't particularly like how Hawke was handled in the game itself. What i found absolutely appalling was their treatment in the epilogues.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Jun 24, 2022 21:09:34 GMT
^ same ...just let my Warden be happy with Zevran traveling the world whilst stopping by Denerim alienage once a year to see the family to check on her elven militia ...I have a lot of head canon concerning my Tabris weirdly enough my headcanon for Mal is pretty much what they ended up doing anyways. Which is good too ^^
My Tabris Raelyn became Bann of the Denerim Alienage...and in my head canon she sets up a militia and even starts up trade (with Alarith as head trader of course) between several alienages. In doing so she of course gains a lot of (unwanted) attention, but she figures things can't get any worse. Until of course they do...as always
Still haven't figured out yet how she'd handle the whole "Dread Wolf" is real thing though
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Post by Rascoth on Jun 24, 2022 21:26:58 GMT
My Warden is long dead, so I have no problem here
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Post by themikefest on Jun 24, 2022 22:03:21 GMT
The only time I like to see the Hero again is when I replay DAO.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jun 25, 2022 8:46:04 GMT
I really hope they just ignore the whole cure thing and leave the warden's fate up to headcanons. If a cure is found, they significantly change the lore. If they don’t, they might as well not have written it in the first place.
I feel like the only reason they added the search for a cure is for people who want their warden to live happily ever after.
Personally I like the idea of my wardens going into the Deep Roads and helping the dwarves fight off the darkspawn. Especially if they're a dwarf themselves and/or romanced a warden Alistair.
Only two who’d actively look for a cure are my prince regent Cousland and my Dalish warden. The former doesn’t deserve a cure and the latter is romancing Morrigan, so I’m sure they’d find alternative means of prolonging his life.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 25, 2022 8:49:48 GMT
What i found absolutely appalling was their treatment in the epilogues. That is true but in terms of loose ends I feel the worst one is with a Hero in a romance with Alistair with them both still in the Wardens. I was looking back through the conversation when you meet with Alistair in DAI as Hawke's Warden contact. When explaining why the Hero headed off west leaving him to investigate Corypheus, which you will note the Hero was aware of before she left, he says that they had unearthed a lead about a cure for the Calling that was too important not to follow up immediately. Now he does say that once the business with Corypheus is dealt with, he intends on joining them, so I assume that is what he would have done on reporting to HQ at Weisshaupt, even though the justification for letting him live was that he was going to rebuild the Wardens in the south. So which did he do in the end? Also, what was the lead that was too important to ignore regarding a cure for the Calling? I feel like the only reason they added the search for a cure is for people who want their warden to live happily ever after. I'm not so sure about this. It is interesting that Alistair knows about Fiona having been cured, mentions about Avernus' research in his conversation and says that they both saw the importance in investigating any further clues about finding a cure and not just for their own sakes, which makes me wonder if finding a cure for the taint is going to feature as part of the plot for DAD, particularly if Solas thinks the only way to cleanse the world is to reset it. If a cure is found, they significantly change the lore. This was done when Fiona was cured. This shows it is possible. The Blight is a constant threat to the world so it is understandable that if you know a cure is possible you would want to investigate further. Now red lyrium is on the surface and can grow on anything, this is even more urgent.
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Post by Sartoz on Jun 25, 2022 13:41:39 GMT
Snip Now red lyrium is on the surface and can grow on anything, this is even more urgent.
Ying and Yang tells us there is a BALANCE. If Red Lyrium is so terrible I'm sure the writers will come up with Black Lyrium to counter the Red. Never underestimate the power of the pen. With one sweep of the hand the page gets blanked out.
So, we may yet see the dwarf mage Valta or even Sandal pop up when our hero needs critical help. Who knows, they may be able to neutralise the Red Lyrium.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 25, 2022 13:53:57 GMT
So, we may yet see the dwarf mage Valta or even Sandal pop up when our hero needs critical help. Who knows, they may be able to neutralise the Red Lyrium. Well Sandal was able to make a rune out of the stuff without it affecting him, so anything is possible. I'm inclined towards Valta if that is the case, though, as I think they were playing down the use of Sandal with him only appearing as a codex in Trespasser, despite the fact that in DA2 we were told both Bohdahn and Sandal had been invited to Orlais. I'm pretty sure the revelations of the Descent are going to have a significance going forward and Valta will provide the link between that DLC and DAD.
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