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Post by Blaze on Dec 14, 2018 13:42:30 GMT
so... he's going to have hair?
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Post by Sifr on Dec 14, 2018 15:13:11 GMT
so... he's going to have hair? He's always had hair... he simply doesn't choose to grow it, is all.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 15:20:53 GMT
Solas is bald, but Salos has fabulous hair. 😉
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Post by Solas on Dec 14, 2018 15:50:50 GMT
Solas is bald, but Salos has fabulous hair. 😉 and a bitchin mustache!
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Post by talyn82 on Dec 14, 2018 16:17:35 GMT
Solas looks badass with hair. I hope that's what he really looks like and hope that hairstyle is available for elven players.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 14, 2018 16:27:44 GMT
Bioware planned to have Solas with hairs during early stages, as evidenced by this concept: I guess his look there, in retrospect, might’ve given away more hints on his identity then then anonimous one they gave him a release.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Dec 14, 2018 16:31:52 GMT
I'm glad they didn't use that, it's ugly asf
BioWare, let him be bald. It's ok to be bald.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Dec 14, 2018 17:46:04 GMT
Maybe he just skinned a passing werewolf and plonked it on his head. My hopes for Solas in DA4 are that there is some recognition of his relationship with your IQ. I don't mind how long he's been gone, where he's been or what he's up to so much, but if he has a set path regardless of being in love with/hating you, then I'll be disappointed. It'll make a mockery of all the chats, smooching and or punching that went before.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 14, 2018 17:47:05 GMT
I'm glad they didn't use that, it's ugly asf BioWare, let him be bald. It's ok to be bald. I think Patrick Weekes stated at some point in Twitter that if Solas is to be back in the future, he will be bald.
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 14, 2018 18:28:46 GMT
Maybe he just skinned a passing werewolf and plonked it on his head. What else was he supposed to do? His shoulder had no more room, and we all know he couldn’t leave a perfectly good pelt behind.
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Post by Psychedelic on Dec 14, 2018 18:50:55 GMT
Maybe he just skinned a passing werewolf and plonked it on his head. Must have been a werewolf with dreadlocks... hence the name Dread Wolf. that pun hurt me more than you
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 14, 2018 19:24:20 GMT
On the subject of his name and since this thread is for speculation, how did he originally come to be known/seen as a wolf? Now I know the Evanuris named him DREAD Wolf after his rebellion but his wolf statue is everywhere, particularly a friggin' huge one overlooking the Exalted Plains. There is no way they would have allowed that after he had turned against them, so the identification with a wolf must have begun before that happened, presumably when he was serving/assisting Mythal as his wolf statue is alongside hers in the Deep Roads and also on guard outside her temple in the Arbor Wilds. Also his mosaic is always that of a wolf and he is the only one of the pantheon who is not depicted in human form. I have a few theories about this but would be interested to know what other people think.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Dec 14, 2018 21:00:54 GMT
*It's also my nickname for Solas.*
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Post by ellawyn on Dec 15, 2018 4:05:27 GMT
Maybe he just skinned a passing werewolf and plonked it on his head. What else was he supposed to do? His shoulder had no more room, and we all know he couldn’t leave a perfectly good pelt behind. Now I NEED Solas' outfit in DA4 to just have thirty different wolf pelts piled on his shoulder. 15 for both. Someone's got to one-up Cullen's poofy feather collar. On the subject of his name and since this thread is for speculation, how did he originally come to be known/seen as a wolf? Now I know the Evanuris named him DREAD Wolf after his rebellion but his wolf statue is everywhere, particularly a friggin' huge one overlooking the Exalted Plains. There is no way they would have allowed that after he had turned against them, so the identification with a wolf must have begun before that happened, presumably when he was serving/assisting Mythal as his wolf statue is alongside hers in the Deep Roads and also on guard outside her temple in the Arbor Wilds. Also his mosaic is always that of a wolf and he is the only one of the pantheon who is not depicted in human form. I have a few theories about this but would be interested to know what other people think. The association probably began after he ascended to the ranks of being an Evanauris proper, but before he rebelled. Lots of the other Evanuris have animals associated with them, too. Most notably is Mythal and the dragon, of course. But Ghilan'Nain has the halla, Falon'Din has owls, Andruil has hawks, and I think Dirthamen has crows? Or was it the bear? Something like that. It probably got plonked on Solas because wolves are known for being practical but loyal creatures, which would be especially fitting for an Evanuris that proved themselves through devoted service to Mythal. Also Solas is personally fond of them, if that one banter with Cole is anything to go off of.
As for why there's an abundance of wolves and a general lack of the other Evanuris animals - Foreshadowing! Also asset recycling! Hey game development's hard and the modelers spent a lot of time on that dumb wolf statue.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 15, 2018 9:35:56 GMT
so... he's going to have hair? He's always had hair... he simply doesn't choose to grow it, is all. how do you know? maybe he can't grow hair for some reason?
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Post by gervaise21 on Dec 15, 2018 12:06:30 GMT
how do you know? maybe he can't grow hair for some reason? I think Patrick Weakes clarified this point. Since every ancient elf we meet in game is bald, there was conjecture that perhaps all ancient elves didn't have hair or it was something to do with the magic keeping them alive for so long. He said that showing them as bald was really just a design choice and that was the same for Solas but he could grow hair if he wished and, I think, it was magic that was preventing its growth. Actually, if you think about it, if the hair kept growing, spending millennia in uthenera would have him sporting something that would do Rapunzel justice, so keeping himself magically bald was a practical choice that he then just continued after he awoke.
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Post by Blaze on Dec 15, 2018 12:22:26 GMT
how do you know? maybe he can't grow hair for some reason? I think Patrick Weakes clarified this point. Since every ancient elf we meet in game is bald, there was conjecture that perhaps all ancient elves didn't have hair or it was something to do with the magic keeping them alive for so long. He said that showing them as bald was really just a design choice and that was the same for Solas but he could grow hair if he wished and, I think, it was magic that was preventing its growth. Actually, if you think about it, if the hair kept growing, spending millennia in uthenera would have him sporting something that would do Rapunzel justice, so keeping himself magically bald was a practical choice that he then just continued after he awoke. hmm... good point.
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Dec 15, 2018 20:19:44 GMT
how do you know? maybe he can't grow hair for some reason? I think Patrick Weakes clarified this point. Since every ancient elf we meet in game is bald, there was conjecture that perhaps all ancient elves didn't have hair or it was something to do with the magic keeping them alive for so long. He said that showing them as bald was really just a design choice and that was the same for Solas but he could grow hair if he wished and, I think, it was magic that was preventing its growth. Actually, if you think about it, if the hair kept growing, spending millennia in uthenera would have him sporting something that would do Rapunzel justice, so keeping himself magically bald was a practical choice that he then just continued after he awoke. If he could stop his hair from growing with magic, couldn't he just stop it from growing at any length he wanted? No Rapunzel necessary..... Now shoulder length is probably a point I'd settle at. I think Bioware made it a design choice because they don't like dealing with hair, which is why we got 100 different buzz cuts in the CC. That's just my theory though.
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Post by midnight tea on Dec 15, 2018 20:56:49 GMT
I think Patrick Weakes clarified this point. Since every ancient elf we meet in game is bald, there was conjecture that perhaps all ancient elves didn't have hair or it was something to do with the magic keeping them alive for so long. He said that showing them as bald was really just a design choice and that was the same for Solas but he could grow hair if he wished and, I think, it was magic that was preventing its growth. Actually, if you think about it, if the hair kept growing, spending millennia in uthenera would have him sporting something that would do Rapunzel justice, so keeping himself magically bald was a practical choice that he then just continued after he awoke. If he could stop his hair from growing with magic, couldn't he just stop it from growing at any length he wanted? No Rapunzel necessary..... Now shoulder length is probably a point I'd settle at. I think Bioware made it a design choice because they don't like dealing with hair, which is why we got 100 different buzz cuts in the CC. That's just my theory though.
My personal theory is this (so is the wolf fur thrown over one shoulder):
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Post by arvaarad on Dec 16, 2018 16:16:23 GMT
If he could stop his hair from growing with magic, couldn't he just stop it from growing at any length he wanted? No Rapunzel necessary..... Now shoulder length is probably a point I'd settle at. I think Bioware made it a design choice because they don't like dealing with hair, which is why we got 100 different buzz cuts in the CC. That's just my theory though.
My personal theory is this (so is the wolf fur thrown over one shoulder):
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jan 24, 2019 16:00:21 GMT
Since i couldn't find the original Solas thread i will dump my theory here lol. ------- Solas' tarot card resembles the seven deadly sins mosaics and "The Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Things" painting. Sun (Maker?, Elgar'nan?, Dragons?) = Death. 4 dots (The Forgotten/Forbidden Ones?) = Hell. 3 waves (Fade?) = Heaven. Crescent moon = Judgment. Crescent moon is "A lunar phase waxing until 7 days after or waning since 7 days before the new moon", 7 Old Gods. Thedas has 2 moons, Mythal created the moon - singular, from the burning earth(or the sun itself?) after Elgar'nan threw the sun. Andruil calls herself "Sister of the Moon", she's the sister of Sylaise, there's of course the Grand Sonallium that Sylaise created from the Fade for June, the second moon? Zazikel had a holiday(Satinalia) dedicated to him but now it's associated with the moon(Satina), a cult called The Last Moon worships Lusacan. This of course reminds me of the 2 spheres in the codex entries about the Titans. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Old_Elven_Writing"For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades." dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Veilfire_Runes_in_the_Deep_Roads"For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire." ""What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."" There is a connection between the Void and a Titan's death, which brings me to dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Emergent_Compendium"-Two shadowed spheres among stars subtitled "aboofqp iboxE'kbC px bpmfizb kX"" The subtitle translates to "An eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred", this could mean Fen'Harel helped create the Void as it would be another cause for the Elves to rise against the Evanuris.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 24, 2019 16:32:13 GMT
Since i couldn't find the original Solas thread i will dump my theory here lol. ------- Solas' tarot card resembles the seven deadly sins mosaics and "The Seven Deadly Sins and the Four Last Things" painting. Sun (Maker?, Elgar'nan?, Dragons?) = Death. 4 dots (The Forgotten/Forbidden Ones?) = Hell. 3 waves (Fade?) = Heaven. Crescent moon = Judgment. Crescent moon is "A lunar phase waxing until 7 days after or waning since 7 days before the new moon", 7 Old Gods. Thedas has 2 moons, Mythal created the moon - singular, from the burning earth(or the sun itself?) after Elgar'nan threw the sun. Andruil calls herself "Sister of the Moon", she's the sister of Sylaise, there's of course the Grand Sonallium that Sylaise created from the Fade for June, the second moon? Zazikel had a holiday(Satinalia) dedicated to him but now it's associated with the moon(Satina), a cult called The Last Moon worships Lusacan. This of course reminds me of the 2 spheres in the codex entries about the Titans. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Old_Elven_Writing"For one moment there is a vivid image of two overlapping spheres; unknown flowers bloom inside their centers. Then it fades." dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Veilfire_Runes_in_the_Deep_Roads"For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire." ""What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."" There is a connection between the Void and a Titan's death, which brings me to dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_The_Emergent_Compendium"-Two shadowed spheres among stars subtitled "aboofqp iboxE'kbC px bpmfizb kX"" The subtitle translates to "An eclipse as Fen'Harel stirred", this could mean Fen'Harel helped create the Void as it would be another cause for the Elves to rise against the Evanuris. I don't see any similarities.
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Post by xerrai on Feb 6, 2019 3:51:35 GMT
[...] [...] I didn't put that much thought into moon phases or circle numbers. Mostly because I have trouble keeping up with all of the particulars in lore. But...I always thought the black wolf, "The Dread Wolf" if you will, in his card and recent DA4 concept art was more representative of his relationship with his past persona rather than anything having to do with the organization of the cosmos or references to other gods. In his DAI end tarot card, the shadow wolf, in addition to simply referring to his identity of the Fen'Harel of legend, could also potentially allude to how his past is coming back to haunt him. This is mostly based on how the wolf is approaching the elf from behind as opposed to the front, and seems to be forming from his shadow. Additionally, notice how the base of the shadow has a color and texture vaguely reminiscent of the murals in the Temple of Mythal. It could be reference to Solas's place in old elvhen history, and how that history eventually faded away and degraded over time. An alternative interpretation for the tarot card could refer to the elvhen people in general. A faceless figure (potentially representing elves of any variety or even mortals in general in general) and how even though they may have hope for guiding themselves to a better future (as represented by the bright staff/walking stick) they will invariably be followed by the degraded shadow of thier muddled past which was largely shaped by Fen'Harel. Could also be referring to how something Fen'Harel 'put behind them' could potentially rear its head again (*cough* like the blight? *cough*). But personally I find the recent concept art more interesting: Given how old lore and spirits tend to act, it is entirely possible the dread wolf is referring to real monstrous figure. But I think the elvhen figure is fighting this creature rather than beckoning it. I mostly say this to counter the interpretation that the elf is 'inviting' either the shadow wolf or the red lyrium idol. To me, that arm position looks less like an invitation and more like he is warding off or deterring something. Which sort of makes sense since Solas is more than averagely cautious of anything pertaining to the blight/red lyrium ("Those who believe themselves capable of using it [blight] safely are mad").
But assuming the Solas vs. Dread Wolf fight is entirely metaphoric (as in, not representing an actual spirit/figure): It could mean Solas is battling against what he 'should' be (the Fen'Harel who made terrible but necessary choices), the 'monster' modern peoples tend to paint him as (The Dread Wolf hailed a malicious trickster in Dalish legend) or...he is simply an elf by the name of Solas, who has to deal with the mantle bestowed on him by his followers due to forces either outside of his control or potential calamities that only he decided to deal with (represented by all the stuff in the middle of the image). It would be Solas's version of Leliana's softening/hardening.
If true, it could point to Solas going through a spiritual change in the next game. Which isn't too different from what we have in DAI to be honest....if Trespasser and the main game was any indication, Solas can either have his initial disdain/despair of the world reinforced (negative approval) or eventually see value in the world (high approval/romanced). And seeing as how DAI original story line was massively reduced, it makes sense that Solas's personal character progression was left as inconclusive as his story.
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