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Post by eliscous on Jan 3, 2019 10:53:36 GMT
Does someone understand the meaning of the recurring nightmares in ME3?
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Post by Upggrade on Jan 3, 2019 11:23:12 GMT
I think they were going for "You can't save everyone". I think, I tuned out and punished the sprint key during each one.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 3, 2019 18:26:38 GMT
Agreed, even if people twisted it into IT.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2019 18:46:59 GMT
Shepard is bother (haunted) by the people he/she lost (or failed to save, if you prefer) over the course of the conflict. The phrases you hear during those dreams are random, but only from those people who have died during the course of your playthrough of the 3 games. It's a form of PTSD. The boy is most prominent in the dreams simply because, at the time the dreams start, he is the last person Shepard failed to save. The child is also the youngest person Shepard has failed to save.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 3, 2019 21:25:36 GMT
Depending on what background is chosen, Shepard could already be suffering from PTSD. As far as the kid goes. My Shepard didn't care. Sure it was sad the kid went boom with the others on the shuttle, but not enough he would be in my dreams. If anything, I would be dreaming about A/K who died on Virmire. I felt the kid was no more important than the others that were killed on the shuttle. I just head cannon that my Shepard is remembering the time she was at a Led Zeppelin concert
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Post by eliscous on Jan 4, 2019 8:37:57 GMT
Depending on what background is chosen, Shepard could already be suffering from PTSD. As far as the kid goes. My Shepard didn't care. Sure it was sad the kid went boom with the others on the shuttle, but not enough he would be in my dreams. If anything, I would be dreaming about A/K who died on Virmire. I felt the kid was no more important than the others that were killed on the shuttle. I just head cannon that my Shepard is remembering the time she was at a Led Zeppelin concert
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Post by eliscous on Jan 4, 2019 8:40:59 GMT
Thank you all for your explanations. What I couldn't understand was the recurrence of the child. I suppose that the appearance of a double of Shep at the very end who burned is the realization that Shep will propably die at the end. No?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 12:38:46 GMT
Thank you all for your explanations. What I couldn't understand was the recurrence of the child. I suppose that the appearance of a double of Shep at the very end who burned is the realization that Shep will propably die at the end. No? Possibly. That's something open to a bit of latitude on interpretation (as all dreams are). I tend to think of it more as Shepard thinking about the family life he/she gave up to pursue the Reapers.. Sort of like plans "going up in smoke." about. not having any children of his/her own. There are references that Shepard would have been a good parent that were cut from the final conversation with Anderson that would have tied in nicely to that notion.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 5, 2019 17:27:29 GMT
Thank you all for your explanations. What I couldn't understand was the recurrence of the child. I suppose that the appearance of a double of Shep at the very end who burned is the realization that Shep will propably die at the end. No? Possibly. That's something open to a bit of latitude on interpretation (as all dreams are). I tend to think of it more as Shepard thinking about the family life he/she gave up to pursue the Reapers.. Sort of like plans "going up in smoke." about. not having any children of his/her own. There are references that Shepard would have been a good parent that were cut from the final conversation with Anderson that would have tied in nicely to that notion. Yeah, definitely guilt over that kid he tried to rescue dying. (Or, if you're into conspiracies, it's part of IT.)
Not sure Shepard is giving up anything. Shep wants to save the galaxy. Sure, he knows he might die, but if he doesn't he can settle down with Kaidan [  ] and start a family.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 18:15:10 GMT
Possibly. That's something open to a bit of latitude on interpretation (as all dreams are). I tend to think of it more as Shepard thinking about the family life he/she gave up to pursue the Reapers.. Sort of like plans "going up in smoke." about. not having any children of his/her own. There are references that Shepard would have been a good parent that were cut from the final conversation with Anderson that would have tied in nicely to that notion. Yeah, definitely guilt over that kid he tried to rescue dying. (Or, if you're into conspiracies, it's part of IT.)
Not sure Shepard is giving up anything. Shep wants to save the galaxy. Sure, he knows he might die, but if he doesn't he can settle down with Kaidan [  ] and start a family. As I said, it ties in with the cut dialogue from the conversation with Anderson. Shepard, IMO,fully expects to die during that last battle... to sacrifice everything, give 120%, etc.
In addition - A hetero broShep is also giving up fathering children if his LI is Miranda (who has determined that she can't have children as revealed on the SB's terminal in the LotSB DLC). So this theme is introduced into ME2 as well.. It would also be impossible to father a child with Tali (given the differences in their DNA).
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Post by capn233 on Jan 5, 2019 22:40:23 GMT
I have one of the mods that shortens the dreams, which makes it better.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 6, 2019 21:32:32 GMT
As I said, it ties in with the cut dialogue from the conversation with Anderson. Shepard, IMO,fully expects to die during that last battle... to sacrifice everything, give 120%, etc.
In addition - A hetero broShep is also giving up fathering children if his LI is Miranda (who has determined that she can't have children as revealed on the SB's terminal in the LotSB DLC). So this theme is introduced into ME2 as well.. It would also be impossible to father a child with Tali (given the differences in their DNA). I use the Anderson extended cut. If anything, Anderson says Shepard would make a great parent. Not sure how that's supposed to suggest Shepard's dream is dead. As for specifics of LI's, there are many, many ways around things you mentioned, and if you think BroShep and Kaidan are having children naturally then you're missing something. Imagine post-war, mega destruction around the galaxy and a lot of orphans out there. Especially given the dreams, I don't see why Shepard wouldn't adopt. I would be more surprised if it didn't happen since Shepard now has the opportunity to save kids in a way that wasn't possible with the one seen dying on Earth.
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Post by Obadiah on Jan 6, 2019 23:56:52 GMT
I think the dreams are part PTSD (which people have no control over, so it could definitely happen to Shep the way it does), but I have an old theory that the dream is also related to Shepard's indoctrination.
From the derelict Reaper mission in ME2, I got a sense that indoctrination is what happens when organic minds are pulled into the Reaper collective. When there is no active Reaper we saw what happened - the survey team ended up sharing and confusing their thoughts and memories before going insane. With an active Reaper, the organic mind usually succumbs and aligns with the Reapers' thoughts and ideas over time (hence the term "indoctrination" and not just "mind control"), before it eventually goes insane, or becomes incapable of independent thought and the indoctrinated individual just goes dormant and dies.
I think the dreams are part of Shepard being pulled into the Reaper collective, but Reapers or the Catalyst (the kid represented) are scared because Shepard's mind isn't succumbing the way other organics, like Saren and Tim, usually do. It is why Leviathan calls Shepard an "anomaly".
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 8, 2019 0:37:10 GMT
Spec Ops: The Line PTSD is better than Shepard's dream.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 14:48:28 GMT
As I said, it ties in with the cut dialogue from the conversation with Anderson. Shepard, IMO,fully expects to die during that last battle... to sacrifice everything, give 120%, etc.
In addition - A hetero broShep is also giving up fathering children if his LI is Miranda (who has determined that she can't have children as revealed on the SB's terminal in the LotSB DLC). So this theme is introduced into ME2 as well.. It would also be impossible to father a child with Tali (given the differences in their DNA). I use the Anderson extended cut. If anything, Anderson says Shepard would make a great parent. Not sure how that's supposed to suggest Shepard's dream is dead. As for specifics of LI's, there are many, many ways around things you mentioned, and if you think BroShep and Kaidan are having children naturally then you're missing something. Imagine post-war, mega destruction around the galaxy and a lot of orphans out there. Especially given the dreams, I don't see why Shepard wouldn't adopt. I would be more surprised if it didn't happen since Shepard now has the opportunity to save kids in a way that wasn't possible with the one seen dying on Earth. I believe he says Shepard "would have" made a great "mom/dad." Would have is the past tense and that, to me, suggests the dream is dead. As for my mention of natural parenting, that is why I specifically mentioned a hetero maleShep in my post. The OP does open up the suggestion of involving LI specifics in the dream interpretation, so that's what I'm going with here. As I've said many times, it's a RPG so there isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to interpret things... only a variety of different ways to interpret things. If the game is preaching a "right" or "wrong" morality, then it's overstepping it's bounds as a RPG, IMO.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 15:55:15 GMT
You're wrong Wrong WRONG!!! 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 18:08:33 GMT
You're wrong Wrong WRONG!!!  You're joking, right?
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Post by dmc1001 on Jan 8, 2019 19:16:32 GMT
You're wrong Wrong WRONG!!!  You're joking, right? Yes. Smiley face.
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Post by Angry Marine on Jan 8, 2019 19:21:46 GMT
Weren't those dreams happening to Shep because he/she ate some bad sushi?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 19:24:41 GMT
Weren't those dreams happening to Shep because he/she ate some bad sushi? As I recall, didn't Shepard essentially destroy the restaurant before being served?
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Post by Angry Marine on Jan 8, 2019 19:27:01 GMT
Weren't those dreams happening to Shep because he/she ate some bad sushi? As I recall, didn't Shepard essentially destroy the restaurant before being served? He/she really must hate having sushi from them. (ooh, does that Shep a hater?)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 20:28:29 GMT
As I recall, didn't Shepard essentially destroy the restaurant before being served? He/she really must hate having sushi from them. (ooh, does that Shep a hater?) Since he/she was never served sushi and, therefore, never tasted the sushi from that restaurant, it says nothing about whether Shepard would have hated or liked it.
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Post by Angry Marine on Jan 8, 2019 21:40:02 GMT
He/she really must hate having sushi from them. (ooh, does that Shep a hater?) Since he/she was never served sushi and, therefore, never tasted the sushi from that restaurant, it says nothing about whether Shepard would have hated or liked it. 😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒😒 .... You BioWare/Mass Effect fanboys are the biggest buzz kills so I give you this: pics.me.me/winner-of-the-buzz-killington-award-randball-16278880.png
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2019 23:35:36 GMT
Sorry, the sushi just isn't biting today.
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Post by Angry Marine on Jan 8, 2019 23:38:24 GMT
Sorry, the sushi just isn't biting today. Sushi tastes like old fish anyways. Oooh, burgers, chips and beer. Lovely!
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