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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 8:52:09 GMT
In other news, I agree some particularly complex spirits might be able to form romantic attachments. Maybe spirits of wisdom or old spirits of love who've seen it all. Outside of the spirit of love, the question is whether those other types are capable of that. Spirits have a singular purpose and function.
Aside from that, as I mentioned earlier, because of the inherent malleability of spirits, I think there are also ethical and moral issues to consider especially if it comes down to romance.
With Cole, even though the ultimate choice is binary, I played it as just allowing Cole to continue on the path he's on. I try not to have undue influence over my followers. Even with Leliana in DAO, I picked the most neutral option in the dialogue, which is essentially, "Do what you think is best." I agree. That's why I specified Wsidom, since wisdom is basically "experience and/or thought about a lot of things". So, I could see them being complex enough to... differentiate, I guess? and feel romantic love. Or any love. Or any other emotion. Honestly, I think no spirit still in non-corporeal form is doing any of this. They're too pure and too malleable that way. I imagine in e olden days before the veil, if the whole idea of elves as a race starting as spirits is correct, that evolution to the point of being able to feel romantic love was one of the motivators behind taking on a corporeal form.
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Post by Dirk on Feb 4, 2019 9:00:37 GMT
Alas, there is little firm visual evidence of snake people, or snoeple if you will.  Now, this snake person is admittedly not sexy, but keep in mind that it is an under-aged adolescent and not an adult snake person. Those are probably sexier. Or at least taller. lulz  I hope the adults look like this  He's pissed because someone stole his breakfast but he's a sweet boi  Not bad but I always prefer the look of Naga Myrmidon in Warcraft/WoW when it comes to snake-like people.  Examples: But even then, if there is to be one "exotic" romance option, werewolf LI is still my #1! 🐺
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 9:05:31 GMT
OK, getting back on topic ... Now for the snake people, I need more photographic evidence. Alas, there is little firm visual evidence of snake people, or snoeple if you will. Now, this snake person is admittedly not sexy, but keep in mind that it is an under-aged adolescent and not an adult snake person. Those are probably sexier. Or at least taller. ... with feet, tho?
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 4, 2019 10:12:26 GMT
huh...whenever someone talks about snake people, all I can think of is the Yuan-ti from D&D   who according to the wikia have various levels of how snake like they look, from the more humanoid appearance to the left to the more snake like to the right
not that I'd want a snake person romance...(I'm not very fond of snakes personally) but thought I'd post my two cents 
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Post by fylimar on Feb 4, 2019 11:23:50 GMT
They really should give us a dwarf romance this time
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 4, 2019 12:21:29 GMT
They really should give us a dwarf romance this time agreed, maybe then I can break away of my long trend of humans and elf romances
also another Qunari romance...I personally wasn't to fond of Iron Bull's romance (I'm not into that whole bdsm thing...sorry Bull  )
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 4, 2019 13:17:37 GMT
ME1 and ME2 had the worst LI options, DAO was barely better, ME3, DA2, and DAI were vast improvements.
Now we just need m/m Turians, Quarians, Krogan, and dwarves.
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 4, 2019 13:22:56 GMT
Outside of the spirit of love, the question is whether those other types are capable of that. Spirits have a singular purpose and function.
Aside from that, as I mentioned earlier, because of the inherent malleability of spirits, I think there are also ethical and moral issues to consider especially if it comes down to romance.
With Cole, even though the ultimate choice is binary, I played it as just allowing Cole to continue on the path he's on. I try not to have undue influence over my followers. Even with Leliana in DAO, I picked the most neutral option in the dialogue, which is essentially, "Do what you think is best." I agree. That's why I specified Wisdom, since wisdom is basically "experience and/or thought about a lot of things". So, I could see them being complex enough to... differentiate, I guess? and feel romantic love. Or any love. Or any other emotion. Honestly, I think no spirit still in non-corporeal form is doing any of this. They're too pure and too malleable that way. I imagine in the olden days before the veil, if the whole idea of elves as a race starting as spirits is correct, that evolution to the point of being able to feel romantic love was one of the motivators behind taking on a corporeal form. I wonder if we might be anthropomorphizing in the other direction by picturing romantic love as a more complex emotion than, say, anger. At its core, it boils down to “we make a good team, let’s keep hanging out together.” It’s slightly higher-intensity friendship. Where an emotion like anger requires an idea of fairness and the sense that the fairness has been subverted. That seems pretty complex. And quite a lot of spirits express anger or frustration. Now, there may be some question about whether they actually feel the anger or are just performing it for their mortal audience, and that strays into the philosophical debate about p-zombies and AI. It gets increasingly academic to ask whether something performing an emotion is actually feeling it, especially if their performance exactly matches how someone would act if they did feel that way. |
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Post by Dirk on Feb 4, 2019 14:21:21 GMT
ME1 and ME2 had the worst LI options, DAO was barely better, ME3, DA2, and DAI were vast improvements. Now we just need m/m Turians, Quarians, Krogan, and dwarves. And after bi Jaal was restored, MEA romance is great as well. Hopefully this upward trend continues. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Feb 4, 2019 16:39:00 GMT
And after bi Jaal was restored, MEA romance is great as well. Hopefully this upward trend continues. I decided not to add Andromeda to the "improved" list. We had to keep "reminding" them about m/m content for 3 months, and even after that we have one full romance and 2 CC options with terrible content (or rather lack of any, in the case of Reyes). ME3, DA2, and DAI were better in that regard. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 4, 2019 16:50:46 GMT
all I can think of is the Yuan-ti from D&D Ugh of course the female version has to be "sexy" with boobs and stuff, whereas the male version is more snake-like.  |
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 4, 2019 17:46:56 GMT
all I can think of is the Yuan-ti from D&D Ugh of course the female version has to be "sexy" with boobs and stuff, whereas the male version is more snake-like. not necessarily , but it's the only picture I could find of the Yuan-ti that showed both versions according to the lore both males and females can look more normal as well as more snake like ( link to the article on Forgotten Realms wikia)
in the second expansion for Neverwinter Nights 2, titled Storms of Zehir, you had the ability to play a Yuan-ti pureblood (one of the many Yuan-ti species) the CC of that game wasn't that amazing, but here are a few examples of what the characters of that race looked like males at the top and females at the bottom  but I also see your point though (imo) it's largely due to the fact that gaming is still seen as a generally male thing to do (even if the reality is nothing like that), which in turn means making female characters more appealing and 'sexy' to make them appealing to a male audience  (to that effect I couldn't even find any good male yuan-ti images to begin with (just a few fan made characters)...which somewhat proves my point...sadly  Edit: only found two decent male Yuan-ti fan creations...just two! that's just sad  ... link link the second one is more creepy imo, no idea who made them but they did a nice job)
male draconic characters are apparently more popular then snake men though  < just a little example 
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Feb 4, 2019 18:26:58 GMT
I think it also might be largely due to the fact that snakes are by nature sleek and sinuous and that lends itself to pretty females when anthropomorphized more than masculine men. Being all slithery and bendy is usually a whole theme to their visual design b/c of the source material. Also, scale patterns on snakes have a certain shiny prettiness factor to them (for people who can tolerate snakes) that also lends itself to ideas of jewelry and adornment that are, again, typically female.
If you want to see an example where the male snake people look better than the female, though, the krait from GW2 work.
Male(w/ concept art): Even there the males look more dragon, while the females more snake. Female is just associated with smooth and sleek while male is associated with bulk. (The turians, though not snake people, are a Bioware example of this.) Its not "male gaze" so much as human sexual dimorphism.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Feb 4, 2019 19:01:28 GMT
male draconic characters are apparently more popular then snake men though < just a little example  #dead 
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 4, 2019 19:19:44 GMT
I think it's odd that one gender would have legs and the other not. At least the male and female naga in Warcraft are both serpentine.
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Post by Artemis on Feb 4, 2019 19:39:08 GMT
Okay, y'all help me out, why the hell we talking about snake people in Dragon Age  toxic masculinity my bad, did anyone get triggered |
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 4, 2019 19:45:58 GMT
male draconic characters are apparently more popular then snake men though < just a little example #dead glad to be of service
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 4, 2019 19:48:59 GMT
I think it's odd that one gender would have legs and the other not. At least the male and female naga in Warcraft are both serpentine. I think that also shows that various artists have various interpretations of certain creatures and fantasy races (though I'm still not over Warcraft calling something that is clearly a manticore a wyvern instead , if you use a certain creature at least give it the proper name also looking at Bioware's interpretation of a phoenix...I mean, seriously  )
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Post by arvaarad on Feb 4, 2019 19:51:20 GMT
Okay, y'all help me out, why the hell we talking about snake people in Dragon Age There are, theoretically, snake/dragon people somewhere in the deep roads, called Scaled Ones. Sort of unclear what they’re like, except “scary”. On a more questionable level of lore, “snake kings of the earth” appear in the conspiracy pamphlet in Jaws of Hakkon. It’s possible those are also Scaled Ones, but it’s also possible they’re complete nonsense. The same pamphlet mentions Moon Men allied with Tevinter, ley lines in the earth, and contains the phrase “none can say, but I will say Yes as it would Fit My Theories”. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 4, 2019 22:08:49 GMT
Okay, y'all help me out, why the hell we talking about snake people in Dragon Age There are, theoretically, snake/dragon people somewhere in the deep roads, called Scaled Ones. Sort of unclear what they’re like, except “scary”. On a more questionable level of lore, “snake kings of the earth” appear in the conspiracy pamphlet in Jaws of Hakkon. It’s possible those are also Scaled Ones, but it’s also possible they’re complete nonsense. The same pamphlet mentions Moon Men allied with Tevinter, ley lines in the earth, and contains the phrase “none can say, but I will say Yes as it would Fit My Theories”. Fit in my theories, lore-daddy. |
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Post by Nightscrawl on Feb 4, 2019 22:36:38 GMT
I think it's odd that one gender would have legs and the other not. At least the male and female naga in Warcraft are both serpentine. I think that also shows that various artists have various interpretations of certain creatures and fantasy races  (though I'm still not over Warcraft calling something that is clearly a manticore a wyvern instead  , if you use a certain creature at least give it the proper name also looking at Bioware's interpretation of a phoenix...I mean, seriously  ) Meh, they're all fantasy creatures/beings.
I once saw a Tumblr post shitting on GRRM's dragons as not-dragons because of certain characteristics. There were comparative pictures and such from other fantasy series of supposed "real" dragons. According to those characteristics, DA dragons are also not dragons, mainly because of the sexual dimorphism of the species (males being smaller and flightless).
I think that attitude is absurd. These are fictional creatures. As far as I'm concerned, creators are free to do with them what they like. What if elves were pointy-eared snake-people? Are those not elves because they don't look like Legolas?
[edit] I'd also add that many many many cultures around the world have their own version of the "vampire," many of which are completely different from each other. Who is to say what the "true" portrayal of vampire is, or that some other depiction is wrong?
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Post by mousestalker on Feb 4, 2019 22:42:43 GMT
I think that also shows that various artists have various interpretations of certain creatures and fantasy races (though I'm still not over Warcraft calling something that is clearly a manticore a wyvern instead , if you use a certain creature at least give it the proper name also looking at Bioware's interpretation of a phoenix...I mean, seriously ) Meh, they're all fantasy creatures/beings.
I once saw a Tumblr post shitting on GRRM's dragons as not-dragons because of certain characteristics. There were comparative pictures and such from other fantasy series of supposed "real" dragons. According to those characteristics, DA dragons are also not dragons, mainly because of the sexual dimorphism of the species (males being smaller and flightless).
I think that attitude is absurd. These are fictional creatures. As far as I'm concerned, creators are free to do with them what they like. What if elves were pointy-eared snake-people? Are those not elves because they don't look like Legolas?
Quite frankly I find DA elves implausible because they never seem to bake cookies. Fenris should have a tray of warm biscuits every time he appears.
Back on track, we already know the Fex exist. and that's all we know about them. It would be a nice retro shout out to games past if they turned out to be similar to kobolds.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 4, 2019 22:56:05 GMT
I think that also shows that various artists have various interpretations of certain creatures and fantasy races (though I'm still not over Warcraft calling something that is clearly a manticore a wyvern instead , if you use a certain creature at least give it the proper name also looking at Bioware's interpretation of a phoenix...I mean, seriously ) Meh, they're all fantasy creatures/beings.
I once saw a Tumblr post shitting on GRRM's dragons as not-dragons because of certain characteristics. There were comparative pictures and such from other fantasy series of supposed "real" dragons. According to those characteristics, DA dragons are also not dragons, mainly because of the sexual dimorphism of the species (males being smaller and flightless).
I think that attitude is absurd. These are fictional creatures. As far as I'm concerned, creators are free to do with them what they like. What if elves were pointy-eared snake-people? Are those not elves because they don't look like Legolas?
hm, true enough maybe I'm a bit to much of a mythology nerd (I get called out on it every now and then )
I've personally only seen parts of Game of Thrones, but I think their dragons look very impressive (even if, you know...some people consider them wyverns)
what can I say, I see the word dragon and I get excited (there are a few exceptions)
still...imo, the best dragon in a movie ever is still Draco from Dragonheart This dragon kindled my love for dragons in general 
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Post by pessimistpanda on Feb 4, 2019 22:56:31 GMT
I think that also shows that various artists have various interpretations of certain creatures and fantasy races (though I'm still not over Warcraft calling something that is clearly a manticore a wyvern instead , if you use a certain creature at least give it the proper name also looking at Bioware's interpretation of a phoenix...I mean, seriously ) Meh, they're all fantasy creatures/beings.
I once saw a Tumblr post shitting on GRRM's dragons as not-dragons because of certain characteristics. There were comparative pictures and such from other fantasy series of supposed "real" dragons. According to those characteristics, DA dragons are also not dragons, mainly because of the sexual dimorphism of the species (males being smaller and flightless).
I think that attitude is absurd. These are fictional creatures. As far as I'm concerned, creators are free to do with them what they like. What if elves were pointy-eared snake-people? Are those not elves because they don't look like Legolas?
Well most reasonable people will allow some leeway. Sure, in a fantasy world you can slap anything with whatever label you like, but BioWare aren't just writing for themselves. When you take names from existing fantasy concepts instead of coming up with your own, people are going to bring their pre-conceived notions to the table. No sensible person would argue that DA's elves are too different from Tolkien's to deserve the name: elves are an ambiguously-described folklore creature anyway, and have been interpreted hundreds of different ways. By contrast, I think it's totally fair to be annoyed that DAI's "phoenix" is an ugly-ass lizard, instead of a beautiful firebird. I'm ticked about it. Not just because it jars with what I expect when I hear the word "phoenix", but because Thedas and it's creatures were already depressing enough without ruining phoenixes as well. |
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