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Post by arvaarad on Jan 12, 2019 16:13:37 GMT
It doesn't "slander men". It's literally a term that exists to explain how expectations of gender role performance hurts men. There's no implications in the concept that men are naturally inclined towards anything negative, but that gender roles hurt men, especially through men bullying each other into specific roles. Toxic femininity can be applied similarly, when women pressure other women into performance of gender roles. Hm. Women tend to select mates who exhibit certain traits and reject ones who don't, thus "bullying" men into specific roles too (i.e. make them act as if they have those desirable traits). I wonder if someone came up with a term for this discriminatory behaviour? If not, then too bad toxic femininity is already reserved  That’s still referred to as toxic masculinity. The whole reason it’s called “toxic masculinity” rather than just “men” is because it’s not about individual people. It’s about a whole context of social pressures, choices based on those pressures, and the self-fulfilling cycles that result. For example, if masculine people are expected to be workaholics, they might be judged more harshly by employers if they’re constantly leaving early to do stuff with their kids, or if they have a gap in their resume from being a stay at home parent. So within that context, they make the rational choice to have their (often more feminine) spouse do most of the childcare, because the spouse will be judged less harshly — even if they’d both rather reverse the roles. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that masculine folks are workaholics, and it looks like they’re freely choosing to spend less time with their kids. But they’re “freely choosing” within a system that will penalize the other choice. |
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Post by aglomeracja on Jan 12, 2019 16:52:40 GMT
Hm. Women tend to select mates who exhibit certain traits and reject ones who don't, thus "bullying" men into specific roles too (i.e. make them act as if they have those desirable traits). I wonder if someone came up with a term for this discriminatory behaviour? If not, then too bad toxic femininity is already reserved That’s still referred to as toxic masculinity. The whole reason it’s called “toxic masculinity” rather than just “men” is because it’s not about individual people. It’s about a whole context of social pressures, choices based on those pressures, and the self-fulfilling cycles that result. For example, if masculine people are expected to be workaholics, they might be judged more harshly by employers if they’re constantly leaving early to do stuff with their kids, or if they have a gap in their resume from being a stay at home parent. So within that context, they make the rational choice to have their (often more feminine) spouse do most of the childcare, because the spouse will be judged less harshly — even if they’d both rather reverse the roles. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that masculine folks are workaholics, and it looks like they’re freely choosing to spend less time with their kids. But they’re “freely choosing” within a system that will penalize the other choice. I'm not sure I got it, are you saying that women's sexual selectivity (which forces men to act according to their preferences if they wish to ever have sex/be in a relationship in their lives) is referred to as toxic masculinity? I'm pretty sure it's not the masculine part of women that makes them sexually selective. As for the example you provided, employers may judge more harshly all employees who are constantly leaving early (whatever the reason is) and have gaps in their resumes (whatever the reason is). It has nothing to do with gender, but it has a lot to do with employees efficiency over time. |
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Post by copper on Jan 12, 2019 16:55:01 GMT
I honestly would have expected Solas and Cullen to go in this category as well.  they're two of the most wildly popular characters... Yeah, but that surprises me. Cullen's very pretty, but his whole "mages aren't like you or me" statement and supporting Meredith almost until the very end seems like he'd get more criticism. And Solas has some bigoted views that remind me of those old conservative relatives that I prefer to ignore at holiday gatherings. I'm very meh on both characters personally. |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 12, 2019 17:22:42 GMT
That’s still referred to as toxic masculinity. The whole reason it’s called “toxic masculinity” rather than just “men” is because it’s not about individual people. It’s about a whole context of social pressures, choices based on those pressures, and the self-fulfilling cycles that result. For example, if masculine people are expected to be workaholics, they might be judged more harshly by employers if they’re constantly leaving early to do stuff with their kids, or if they have a gap in their resume from being a stay at home parent. So within that context, they make the rational choice to have their (often more feminine) spouse do most of the childcare, because the spouse will be judged less harshly — even if they’d both rather reverse the roles. Then it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that masculine folks are workaholics, and it looks like they’re freely choosing to spend less time with their kids. But they’re “freely choosing” within a system that will penalize the other choice. I'm not sure I got it, are you saying that women's sexual selectivity (which forces men to act according to their preferences if they wish to ever have sex/be in a relationship in their lives) is referred to as toxic masculinity? I'm pretty sure it's not the masculine part of women that makes them sexually selective. It’s referred to as “toxic masculinity” not because the source of the pressure is masculine, but because the pressure manifests as obnoxious restrictions on masculinity. Toxic food happens when some toxin (usually unintentionally) gets into the food and poisons it. Toxic masculinity happens when some toxin (usually unintentionally) gets into the masculinity and poisons it. |
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Post by Artemis on Jan 12, 2019 17:30:57 GMT
they're two of the most wildly popular characters... Yeah, but that surprises me. Cullen's very pretty, but his whole "mages aren't like you or me" statement and supporting Meredith almost until the very end seems like he'd get more criticism. And Solas has some bigoted views that remind me of those old conservative relatives that I prefer to ignore at holiday gatherings. I'm very meh on both characters personally. That's pretty much the reason I used to love Cullen. He was such a complicated, morally gray character. DAI washed him out and ofc also made him definitively straight so I completely lost interest. But I get why women love him, and some men do, too, and wish he'd been left as bi. He's very handsome, he's romantic, noble, has tons of cut scenes in his romance. In DAI he's the perfect white knight ready to literally sweep you off your feet. Nothing wrong with folks loving that. Solas is arguably the most important character in the franchise, and his romance is intense as fuck and leaves you feeling emotionally drained. It's just good writing, so no wonder his fans adore him. He's not really the same as our conservative relatives though b/c they're old fart idiots who watch Fox News and think the Muslims and Blacks are coming to get them. Solas is literally different from everyone else around him; he's an old school immortal so it's not a surprise he sees himself as above everyone else. Even so, throughout the narrative, he is kind to people and you win approval points by doing kind things for the most needy of folk. All that is to say, I see why they're super popular and to me they're very different from Sera, whose writing imo just isn't all that, as she's a bit one note with her constant "the little people" this and "the little people" that. She doesn't really have much to do with the narrative, either. Neither does Vivienne, another one people love to hate. Or Blackwall. I think hese poorly written peripheral characters get a lo of hate. (p.s. i don't hate any of them) |
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Post by melbella on Jan 12, 2019 17:42:10 GMT
Yes... against the Venatori. Who are shipping red lyrium. And they certainly don’t get stopped if the Inquisitor chooses the Chargers. The lyrium smuggling boat is sunk before you choose one or the other, so yes, they do get stopped. There, at least. they’re “freely choosing” within a system that will penalize the other choice. How very like the Qun |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 12, 2019 18:01:32 GMT
Yes... against the Venatori. Who are shipping red lyrium. And they certainly don’t get stopped if the Inquisitor chooses the Chargers. The lyrium smuggling boat is sunk before you choose one or the other, so yes, they do get stopped. There, at least. they’re “freely choosing” within a system that will penalize the other choice. How very like the Qun Hence why I don’t believe in sacrificing the ship’s crew, who are all essentially conscripts. At least the Chargers have chosen to be in combat roles. There’s a huge difference between the leaders of a government and the people who live under those leaders. Usually hurting the citizens who are also being oppressed by them has little effect on the folks who are truly at fault. Bringing it back to romances, this is one reason I’d really like to see a more typical Qunari as a close companion or romance. We’re currently seeing this society through the lens of its soldiers, spies, and priests, so of course it looks like a warlike, fanatically religious society. But there are people on the other side of the antaam and ben-hassrath, who could be equally frustrated with them but with little power to change the situation. |
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Post by aglomeracja on Jan 12, 2019 18:07:13 GMT
I'm not sure I got it, are you saying that women's sexual selectivity (which forces men to act according to their preferences if they wish to ever have sex/be in a relationship in their lives) is referred to as toxic masculinity? I'm pretty sure it's not the masculine part of women that makes them sexually selective. It’s referred to as “toxic masculinity” not because the source of the pressure is masculine, but because the pressure manifests as obnoxious restrictions on masculinity. Toxic food happens when some toxin (usually unintentionally) gets into the food and poisons it. Toxic masculinity happens when some toxin (usually unintentionally) gets into the masculinity and poisons it. So toxic masculinity issue originates from women's sexual selectivity? Then I suppose we can solve this issue by forbiding women to discriminate sexually (i.e. they have to have sex with any men who wish to have sex with them). There, no more obnoxious restrictions on masculinity. |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 12, 2019 18:31:57 GMT
It’s referred to as “toxic masculinity” not because the source of the pressure is masculine, but because the pressure manifests as obnoxious restrictions on masculinity. Toxic food happens when some toxin (usually unintentionally) gets into the food and poisons it. Toxic masculinity happens when some toxin (usually unintentionally) gets into the masculinity and poisons it. So toxic masculinity issue originates from women's sexual selectivity? It originates from many different places, something which I already covered in the previous post. If I’d realized that part would be so quickly forgotten, I could have repeated it in the second post. Anyway, if you’re of the impression that most straight women are only into hyper-masculine men, boy do I have news for you. And that news is right in this very forum, where elves consistently dominate romance polls. And also in many women-dominated spaces online, where Loki’s fanbase far exceeds Thor’s, where Connor from D:BH gets heart stickers put all over him and gets likened to a robot puppy, and all the drawings of men are sort of cute and androgynous. That kind of behavior tends to be viewed as childish or overly-romantic by men, so you only see it come out in women- and gnc-dominated spaces like Tumblr (RIP). Now, if your main exposure to straight women is through dating/hookup apps, then yeah, there’ll be a preference toward hyper-masculinity. That’s because, if a woman is going to those apps, that’s going to describe most of the men who’ll DM her — so only women who are into that kind of experience even join those apps. |
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Post by witchcocktor on Jan 12, 2019 18:54:04 GMT
The lyrium smuggling boat is sunk before you choose one or the other, so yes, they do get stopped. There, at least. How very like the Qun Hence why I don’t believe in sacrificing the ship’s crew, who are all essentially conscripts. At least the Chargers have chosen to be in combat roles. There’s a huge difference between the leaders of a government and the people who live under those leaders. Usually hurting the citizens who are also being oppressed by them has little effect on the folks who are truly at fault. Bringing it back to romances, this is one reason I’d really like to see a more typical Qunari as a close companion or romance. We’re currently seeing this society through the lens of its soldiers, spies, and priests, so of course it looks like a warlike, fanatically religious society. But there are people on the other side of the antaam and ben-hassrath, who could be equally frustrated with them but with little power to change the situation. I'd like something like this too BUT, what I do not want is another romance where your significant other leaves your side to do something as ridiculous as reforming an entire culture. And I could so easily see a romance like this ending very badly, like, in the game. And I'm not really looking forward to that when DA:I was enough in terms of gay romances lol. |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 12, 2019 19:18:00 GMT
Hence why I don’t believe in sacrificing the ship’s crew, who are all essentially conscripts. At least the Chargers have chosen to be in combat roles. There’s a huge difference between the leaders of a government and the people who live under those leaders. Usually hurting the citizens who are also being oppressed by them has little effect on the folks who are truly at fault. Bringing it back to romances, this is one reason I’d really like to see a more typical Qunari as a close companion or romance. We’re currently seeing this society through the lens of its soldiers, spies, and priests, so of course it looks like a warlike, fanatically religious society. But there are people on the other side of the antaam and ben-hassrath, who could be equally frustrated with them but with little power to change the situation. I'd like something like this too BUT, what I do not want is another romance where your significant other leaves your side to do something as ridiculous as reforming an entire culture. And I could so easily see a romance like this ending very badly, like, in the game. And I'm not really looking forward to that when DA:I was enough in terms of gay romances lol. Yeah we don’t necessarily need a reformer POV, more of just a normal person who’s doing their thing within the Qun. Someone who can (forgive the anthropomorphizing) humanize the typical Qunari, someone who’s not planning wars or spying on foreign governments. They’re just going about their day. Our current understanding is basically like meeting only Rainier (Sten), Gaspard (the Arishok), Leliana (Iron Bull/Tallis) and Petrice (Viddasala), and using only those people to form our opinion of what most Andrastians are like. There’s a whole lot more Andrastians like Varric, where it’s just kind of a footnote. |
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Post by copper on Jan 12, 2019 19:49:30 GMT
Yeah, but that surprises me. Cullen's very pretty, but his whole "mages aren't like you or me" statement and supporting Meredith almost until the very end seems like he'd get more criticism. And Solas has some bigoted views that remind me of those old conservative relatives that I prefer to ignore at holiday gatherings. I'm very meh on both characters personally. That's pretty much the reason I used to love Cullen. He was such a complicated, morally gray character. DAI washed him out and ofc also made him definitively straight so I completely lost interest. But I get why women love him, and some men do, too, and wish he'd been left as bi. He's very handsome, he's romantic, noble, has tons of cut scenes in his romance. In DAI he's the perfect white knight ready to literally sweep you off your feet. Nothing wrong with folks loving that. Solas is arguably the most important character in the franchise, and his romance is intense as fuck and leaves you feeling emotionally drained. It's just good writing, so no wonder his fans adore him. He's not really the same as our conservative relatives though b/c they're old fart idiots who watch Fox News and think the Muslims and Blacks are coming to get them. Solas is literally different from everyone else around him; he's an old school immortal so it's not a surprise he sees himself as above everyone else. Even so, throughout the narrative, he is kind to people and you win approval points by doing kind things for the most needy of folk. All that is to say, I see why they're super popular and to me they're very different from Sera, whose writing imo just isn't all that, as she's a bit one note with her constant "the little people" this and "the little people" that. She doesn't really have much to do with the narrative, either. Neither does Vivienne, another one people love to hate. Or Blackwall. I think hese poorly written peripheral characters get a lo of hate. (p.s. i don't hate any of them) Yeah KISA romances are popular, I get that. And I don't think there is a problem with folks liking that. To me it brushes over his problematic traits though, which you mention yourself. I don't hate the guy by any means, but I think the dude fits into the "problematic LI" category more than, say, Sera. Solas is a character that is very interesting to me on paper but falls flat to me in game, so if he does turn out to be the most important character in the franchise that'll be pretty dull to me. Your character impressing him just makes you the one exception in your race, it doesn't make him think that he's wrong about everyone else. So... pretty similar to my conservative relatives .  To me he definitely belongs in the problematic LI category. Which is fine. I'm not trying to tell people that they're wrong for liking him or Cullen. Their fans will also notice the positive characters of these traits more than I will. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jan 12, 2019 20:09:23 GMT
All of the above.
Fantasy games exist for a reason. To live out fantasy.
I have been the most tender lesbian the virtual world has ever seen. I have been Commander Shepard wearing his club-clothes outfit the entire game looking like he was going to Pride at DragonCon.
I did not let Anders touch my Hawke though... God damn.
Anyways, more bang for my buck!
(You do see what I did there?)
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Post by aglomeracja on Jan 12, 2019 20:26:41 GMT
So toxic masculinity issue originates from women's sexual selectivity? It originates from many different places, something which I already covered in the previous post. If I’d realized that part would be so quickly forgotten, I could have repeated it in the second post. Anyway, if you’re of the impression that most straight women are only into hyper-masculine men, boy do I have news for you. And that news is right in this very forum, where elves consistently dominate romance polls. And also in many women-dominated spaces online, where Loki’s fanbase far exceeds Thor’s, where Connor from D:BH gets heart stickers put all over him and gets likened to a robot puppy, and all the drawings of men are sort of cute and androgynous. That kind of behavior tends to be viewed as childish or overly-romantic by men, so you only see it come out in women- and gnc-dominated spaces like Tumblr (RIP). Now, if your main exposure to straight women is through dating/hookup apps, then yeah, there’ll be a preference toward hyper-masculinity. That’s because, if a woman is going to those apps, that’s going to describe most of the men who’ll DM her — so only women who are into that kind of experience even join those apps. From the very beginning I'm talking about women's sexual selectivity, the idea that toxic masculinity originates from that (as one of the sources) was yours, not mine. I don't believe that women are only into hyper-masculine men, however you'd define it, also it's a rather complex topic. I will question sources you're using though. For instance, if you were to gather data from this forums romance threads, you might come to the conclusion that at least 50% of human population is LGBT+ and that being attracted to bipedal lizards is a common fetish. Nontheless, women obviously never were selecting mainly for hypermasculine physical traits, which is rather obvious since general male population isn't hypermasculine. When you take Loki for example, he might not be as ripped as Thor, but he is intelligent, clever, cunning an charismatic. He uses that quite effectively in all dominance disputes he has with his brother, while also being a fricking god. Not exactly someone you might call undesirable. If you're looking for larger scale examples of what women fancy about men, it might interest you that (IIRC) the best selling book of all time is "50 shades of Grey", so it would be more of a BDSM Beauty and the Beast with a dominant millionaire and a young naive girl. This is all beside the point though, because you'd have to be blind not to notice that there are men who get a lot of attention from ladies, there are men who get some attention and there are those who get none. The last group is the one that women sexually discriminate against and for that reason other men get to poke fun at them. You might say that there is a problem with those dudes who are making those poor incels an object of a joke, but they wouldn't be doing that if said incels weren't constantly rejected by women. Therefore, the problem is either with those guys that can't get attention from women, or with women. Can't tell how toxic masculinity fits in here exactly. |
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Post by arvaarad on Jan 12, 2019 21:09:05 GMT
It originates from many different places, something which I already covered in the previous post. If I’d realized that part would be so quickly forgotten, I could have repeated it in the second post. Anyway, if you’re of the impression that most straight women are only into hyper-masculine men, boy do I have news for you. And that news is right in this very forum, where elves consistently dominate romance polls. And also in many women-dominated spaces online, where Loki’s fanbase far exceeds Thor’s, where Connor from D:BH gets heart stickers put all over him and gets likened to a robot puppy, and all the drawings of men are sort of cute and androgynous. That kind of behavior tends to be viewed as childish or overly-romantic by men, so you only see it come out in women- and gnc-dominated spaces like Tumblr (RIP). Now, if your main exposure to straight women is through dating/hookup apps, then yeah, there’ll be a preference toward hyper-masculinity. That’s because, if a woman is going to those apps, that’s going to describe most of the men who’ll DM her — so only women who are into that kind of experience even join those apps. From the very beginning I'm talking about women's sexual selectivity, the idea that toxic masculinity originates from that (as one of the sources) was yours, not mine. I don't believe that women are only into hyper-masculine men, however you'd define it, also it's a rather complex topic. I will question sources you're using though. For instance, if you were to gather data from this forums romance threads, you might come to the conclusion that at least 50% of human population is LGBT+ and that being attracted to bipedal lizards is a common fetish. Nontheless, women obviously never were selecting mainly for hypermasculine physical traits, which is rather obvious since general male population isn't hypermasculine. When you take Loki for example, he might not be as ripped as Thor, but he is intelligent, clever, cunning an charismatic. He uses that quite effectively in all dominance disputes he has with his brother, while also being a fricking god. Not exactly someone you might call undesirable. If you're looking for larger scale examples of what women fancy about men, it might interest you that (IIRC) the best selling book of all time is "50 shades of Grey", so it would be more of a BDSM Beauty and the Beast with a dominant millionaire and a young naive girl. This is all beside the point though, because you'd have to be blind not to notice that there are men who get a lot of attention from ladies, there are men who get some attention and there are those who get none. The last group is the one that women sexually discriminate against and for that reason other men get to poke fun at them. You might say that there is a problem with those dudes who are making those poor incels an object of a joke, but they wouldn't be doing that if said incels weren't constantly rejected by women. Therefore, the problem is either with those guys that can't get attention from women, or with women. Can't tell how toxic masculinity fits in here exactly. Because it dictates a certain way that masculine people are allowed to be, creating a norm that everyone, masculine or feminine, expects masculine people to strictly adhere to. Desirability isn’t all about individual attraction. If a certain mode of feminine or masculine expression is shunned by society at large, people who would otherwise be into those people feel pressure not to act on their attraction. Realistically speaking, if you’re with someone who other people would judge as inferior, it also makes your own life harder. In fiction, we like to pretend true love conquers all, but sometimes people do get talked out of a relationship that was otherwise good due to pressure from family or friends. Or even finances, if their nontraditional roles make it harder to earn as much money as couples in traditional roles. It’s not fair to either party in that situation, but that’s part of why toxic masculinity sucks so much. Masculinity does tend to be more limiting and restrictive than femininity in a lot of ways, so there’s a very narrow range of “acceptable” manhood. People who oppose toxic masculinity want to widen that range.  |
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Post by Dirk on Jan 12, 2019 23:35:51 GMT
In my previous post, I did some statistical calculation to see which demographic cares more about race in romance options. The previous result was that, from caring about race the most to the least, Now with twice the data points, it looks like there has been a big change in the ranking. Doing the same calculation as in my previous post, I get this new result (again from caring about race the most to the least). Raw values under the spoiler Higher coefficient of variation (CV) means race matters more. | PC/LI pair | Previous CV | Current CV | | m/m | 0.20 | 0.23 | | m/f | 0.28 | 0.15 | | f/f | 0.10 | 0.06 | | f/m | 0.22 | 0.25 |
So what changes over the span for a week? - In m/m, dwarf LI is getting less popular compared to other races, leading to a jump in the ranking. - More m/f people seem to come around liking the idea of dwarf LI and qunari LI. - f/f crowd continues not giving shit about race. It almost looks like there is no preference at all! - In f/m crowd, there is a surge in preference in elf LI and human LI which helps f/m to reach the top of the ranking. |
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Post by vertigomez on Jan 12, 2019 23:41:34 GMT
In my previous post, I did some statistical calculation to see which demographic cares more about race in romance options. The previous result was that, from caring about race the most to the least, Now with twice the data points, it looks like there has been a big change in the ranking. Doing the same calculation as in my previous post, I get this new result (again from caring about race the most to the least). Raw values under the spoiler Higher coefficient of variation (CV) means race matters more. | PC/LI pair | Previous CV | Current CV | | m/m | 0.20 | 0.23 | | m/f | 0.28 | 0.15 | | f/f | 0.10 | 0.06 | | f/m | 0.22 | 0.25 |
So what changes over the span for a week? - In m/m, dwarf LI is getting less popular compared to other races, leading to a jump in the ranking. - More m/f people seem to come around liking the idea of dwarf LI and qunari LI. - f/f crowd continues not giving shit about race. It almost looks like there is no preference at all! - In f/m crowd, there is a surge in preference in elf LI and human LI which helps f/m to reach the top of the ranking. bless u for breaking it down like this. It's all so interesting! eta: I'm honestly surprised by how many people have voted. |
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 12, 2019 23:59:22 GMT
Then I suppose we can solve this issue by forbiding women to discriminate sexually (i.e. they have to have sex with any men who wish to have sex with them). There, no more obnoxious restrictions on masculinity. I'll give it this - letting any man rape any woman whenever he wants would certainly be a novel solution to toxic masculinity. I have some doubts about its effectiveness, however. |
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jan 13, 2019 0:25:46 GMT
What the actual fuck
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 13, 2019 0:32:28 GMT
ditto, I'm lost here  |
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Post by Artemis on Jan 13, 2019 0:53:32 GMT
Did the guy I blocked say something questionable? |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jan 13, 2019 1:06:12 GMT
my cringe levels are over 9000, women don't owe anything to men, what the fuck is that about sexual discrimination  anyway, another day, another blocked In my previous post, I did some statistical calculation to see which demographic cares more about race in romance options. The previous result was that, from caring about race the most to the least, Now with twice the data points, it looks like there has been a big change in the ranking. Doing the same calculation as in my previous post, I get this new result (again from caring about race the most to the least). Raw values under the spoiler Higher coefficient of variation (CV) means race matters more. | PC/LI pair | Previous CV | Current CV | | m/m | 0.20 | 0.23 | | m/f | 0.28 | 0.15 | | f/f | 0.10 | 0.06 | | f/m | 0.22 | 0.25 |
So what changes over the span for a week? - In m/m, dwarf LI is getting less popular compared to other races, leading to a jump in the ranking. - More m/f people seem to come around liking the idea of dwarf LI and qunari LI. - f/f crowd continues not giving shit about race. It almost looks like there is no preference at all! - In f/m crowd, there is a surge in preference in elf LI and human LI which helps f/m to reach the top of the ranking.  I dont know if dwarves are not that popular because of their height, as gay man I know how height can be a big deal for some stupid men, same with straight women, at least what I have seen. But height differences are cuteeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 😭 |
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Post by NotN7 on Jan 13, 2019 1:06:46 GMT
Did the guy I blocked say something questionable? Depends on who you blocked? and I'm guessing I will ignore them as well sorry but the conversation turned to (shrug?) can't put a finger on it  |
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Post by slimgrin727 on Jan 13, 2019 1:07:00 GMT
Looks like we need yet another romance thread in this board. You know, just to cover all the possible permutations.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jan 13, 2019 1:11:45 GMT
Looks like we need yet another romance thread in this board. You know, just to cover all the possible permutations. Two of the romance threads (including this one) were started because you can't put a new poll in an existing thread. |
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To me he definitely belongs in the problematic LI category. Which is fine. I'm not trying to tell people that they're wrong for liking him or Cullen. Their fans will also notice the positive characters of these traits more than I will.
