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Post by eternalambiguity on Oct 12, 2020 17:40:02 GMT
You say that, but I was just going to point out how different the experience is between a female mage elf who romances Solas and a male human rogue. Well, that's a very gated, very specific scenario. Which is good. Choice and consequence, you know, but Pillars had content like that sprinkled all around. By the way, Human Male Rogue here, for my first and only DA:I playthrough, that I didn't even finish. The ability to have the choice, and to discuss its relevance to the world (arguing with Solas or Sera about oppression for example) is great. From my experience, the content is a lot less in Inquisition and very specific in use case. I'm sure Bioware did the best they could, but like I said, in comparison, the choice feels more cosmetic than meaningful content. To me. Yeah that's true. Taken separately each element (gender, race, class) definitely doesn't have the same effect. Though I'd still argue each does have effects.
I didn't get very far into Pillars so I don't really remember how it did races and such.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 12, 2020 17:50:54 GMT
No one worth listening to cares about that strawman, not sure why you're presenting it. It's not relevant to this situation. Larian's post says "demon eyes, horns, and even tails" and nothing at all about gender. I admit I didn't read the link for once and drew the wrong conclusion about its content. Nevermind then. Apologies for pissing people off.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 12, 2020 18:12:03 GMT
Yeah that's true. Taken separately each element (gender, race, class) definitely doesn't have the same effect. Though I'd still argue each does have effects. Oh, I don't disagree that it has an effect. Just that it's a "blink and you miss me" kind of case.
I didn't get very far into Pillars so I don't really remember how it did races and such. It's great, in that respect. It allows for choices regarding gender, race, religion, even regional and professional background. And those had implementations all around. Like, you could make the most basic bitch character or the most exotic one and your character could have just as much input in the game as any other. With various degrees of success, but a huge variety regardless. And Tyranny takes that to another level. With other caveats, unfortunately, but quite the interactivity, none the less.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Oct 12, 2020 21:29:13 GMT
I didn't say that Larian had a problem with people who choose human male, I was referring to the game media that always pushes for "representation" in games but then when the majority of users choose something that isn't "diverse" then it means they chose the "wrong" gender/ethnicity.
Reminds me when the media complained that the majority of users have chosen Alexios over Kassandra in AC Odyssey despite the fact that Kassandra is canon, because how dare these people play the game the way they want to play it after spending money on it?! The audacity!
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I didn't say that Larian had a problem with people who choose human male, I was referring to the game media that always pushes for "representation" in games but then when the majority of users choose something that isn't "diverse" then it means they chose the "wrong" gender/ethnicity. Who is saying that? Reminds me when the media complained that the majority of users have chosen Alexios over Kassandra in AC Odyssey Is that another one of those media outcries that never happened?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 13, 2020 1:22:05 GMT
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Sony will now allow other users to record your audio chat and send it to Sony for moderation, though Sony claims they themselves do not record, press X to Doubt. www.pushsquare.com/news/2020/10/sony_we_do_not_record_ps4_party_chatsA reminder that the PS5 controller has a built-in microphone and also Sony is releasing a camera to improve it's PSVR tracking, although almost every VR headset requires a mounted camera, and let's not forget Sony patented an AI that's gonna sell you stuff if you're stuck in some section of the game, this is Kinect all over again.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Oct 16, 2020 19:33:17 GMT
Technically he's only answering the question "can you make money off the deal without staying multi-platform?" Technically he could still put their games on PlayStation.
But yeah, in general PS for future Bethesda (or just XGS in general) games is extremely, extremely unlikely.
If anything his statement about Switch seems like more of a confirmation - "it doesn't feel sustainable."
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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer On Series X Launch, Halo Infinite & Bethesdakotaku.com/xbox-boss-phil-spencer-on-series-x-launch-halo-infinit-1845392984/amp?__twitter_impression=trueBeyond that, though, fans have wondered whether ZeniMax games would go Xbox and PC-only. In other words, they’ve wondered if PlayStation would stop getting Fallouts and miss out on the sequel to Skyrim. I wondered that, too. “Is it possible to recoup a $7.5 billion investment if you don’t sell Elder Scrolls VI on the PlayStation?” I asked. “Yes,” Spencer quickly replied. Then he paused. “I don’t want to be flip about that,” he added. “This deal was not done to take games away from another player base like that. Nowhere in the documentation that we put together was: ‘How do we keep other players from playing these games?’ We want more people to be able to play games, not fewer people to be able to go play games. But I’ll also say in the model—I’m just answering directly the question that you had—when I think about where people are going to be playing and the number of devices that we had, and we have xCloud and PC and Game Pass and our console base, I don’t have to go ship those games on any other platform other than the platforms that we support in order to kind of make the deal work for us. Whatever that means.” - No surprise, but I think this is the first confirmation we had from MS. I think that decision at the end of the day really depends on what Microsoft sees themselves as and what the goal of the company is now. Consoles themselves are loss leaders or are close enough to be one that its not the driving force. Its about the software and if Microsoft sees that Gamepass is their goal I could see it still being on other consoles because what they want is people to buy into Gamepass for the PC or Xbox since that is a steady re-occurring revenue stream and not dependent on single releases.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 16, 2020 22:05:10 GMT
Technically he's only answering the question "can you make money off the deal without staying multi-platform?" Technically he could still put their games on PlayStation. It seems to me and to a friend I read Phil's response to, that Phil isn't interested in making it an MS exclusive. Not that he couldn't, or that it wouldn't be enough to turn a profit, but ideally, he would want it on every platform out there, including PS5. But Sony might have to "play ball".
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Post by eternalambiguity on Oct 16, 2020 22:25:00 GMT
Technically he's only answering the question "can you make money off the deal without staying multi-platform?" Technically he could still put their games on PlayStation. It seems to me and to a friend I read Phil's response to, that Phil isn't interested in making it an MS exclusive. Not that he couldn't, or that it wouldn't be enough to turn a profit, but ideally, he would want it on every platform out there, including PS5. But Sony might have to "play ball". I think he's interested in pushing GamePass+xCloud, and honestly they probably have a stronger position if they withhold games until Sony/Nintendo cave to letting it on their platforms. Apart from that though I think you're right, and maybe keeping such historic franchises as TES and Fallout multi-platform would strengthen public opinion of the company. Thing is Phil's beholden to a lot more than himself: Nadella, the board, the shareholders, and ultimately the profitability of Microsoft. If he can convince them it's a good long-term move for the company, maybe Starfield will be on the PS5.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 17, 2020 2:24:19 GMT
It seems to me and to a friend I read Phil's response to, that Phil isn't interested in making it an MS exclusive. Not that he couldn't, or that it wouldn't be enough to turn a profit, but ideally, he would want it on every platform out there, including PS5. But Sony might have to "play ball". I think he's interested in pushing GamePass+xCloud, and honestly they probably have a stronger position if they withhold games until Sony/Nintendo cave to letting it on their platforms. Apart from that though I think you're right, and maybe keeping such historic franchises as TES and Fallout multi-platform would strengthen public opinion of the company. Thing is Phil's beholden to a lot more than himself: Nadella, the board, the shareholders, and ultimately the profitability of Microsoft. If he can convince them it's a good long-term move for the company, maybe Starfield will be on the PS5. Even if they are going to hold some of the new IPs back, I doubt there will be any change until the two games they have under exclusive contract with Sony are released before evaluating what they are going to do. I don't think it would make that much of a difference to their bottom line if people are playing a Elder Scrolls game on an Xbox or a Playstation for the profit on consoles are at times a negative amount. Now I could see them doing what Sony just did with The Avengers game where there is something in those games exclusive to the Xbox.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Oct 17, 2020 4:30:46 GMT
I think he's interested in pushing GamePass+xCloud, and honestly they probably have a stronger position if they withhold games until Sony/Nintendo cave to letting it on their platforms. Apart from that though I think you're right, and maybe keeping such historic franchises as TES and Fallout multi-platform would strengthen public opinion of the company. Thing is Phil's beholden to a lot more than himself: Nadella, the board, the shareholders, and ultimately the profitability of Microsoft. If he can convince them it's a good long-term move for the company, maybe Starfield will be on the PS5. Even if they are going to hold some of the new IPs back, I doubt there will be any change until the two games they have under exclusive contract with Sony are released before evaluating what they are going to do. I don't think it would make that much of a difference to their bottom line if people are playing a Elder Scrolls game on an Xbox or a Playstation for the profit on consoles are at times a negative amount. Now I could see them doing what Sony just did with The Avengers game where there is something in those games exclusive to the Xbox. Definitely agree with your first paragraph.
Is "the profit on consoles are at times a negative amount" a slight rewording of "they sell the console at a loss"? If not I don't understand what you're saying there. Related to that, 2 things.
First, getting people to buy Xboxes (unquestionably made easier with powerful IPs like TES) gets them in the ecosystem, where Xbox is now making money on every game that person purchases, Xbox Live, maybe Gamepass until that gets on the other platforms.
Second, we can look at how things are going for post-agreement games by other newly acquired XGS studios. Bleeding Edge and Grounded (and Wasteland Remastered by inXile) are not on non MS platforms. Avowed and HellBlade 2 have only been announced for MS platforms. At this point the precedent for exclusivity is becoming stronger--though I do agree that it's ultimately still up in the air.
For the first point...PC is weird. MS has committed to it completely. Sony's dipping their toes in or wading around in ankle deep water, Nintendo is staying as far away as possible. Looking at MS all I can really think of is A: they're doing it to pull PC users into Xbox, B: they don't see PC as a real competitor, or C: since they have GP on the platform they're willing to make other games available. Sony's obviously moving forward here with Horizon--A and B seem possible here, and they implied A at one point.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 17, 2020 5:13:47 GMT
Even if they are going to hold some of the new IPs back, I doubt there will be any change until the two games they have under exclusive contract with Sony are released before evaluating what they are going to do. I don't think it would make that much of a difference to their bottom line if people are playing a Elder Scrolls game on an Xbox or a Playstation for the profit on consoles are at times a negative amount. Now I could see them doing what Sony just did with The Avengers game where there is something in those games exclusive to the Xbox. Definitely agree with your first paragraph.
Is "the profit on consoles are at times a negative amount" a slight rewording of "they sell the console at a loss"? If not I don't understand what you're saying there. Related to that, 2 things.
First, getting people to buy Xboxes (unquestionably made easier with powerful IPs like TES) gets them in the ecosystem, where Xbox is now making money on every game that person purchases, Xbox Live, maybe Gamepass until that gets on the other platforms.
Second, we can look at how things are going for post-agreement games by other newly acquired XGS studios. Bleeding Edge and Grounded (and Wasteland Remastered by inXile) are not on non MS platforms. Avowed and HellBlade 2 have only been announced for MS platforms. At this point the precedent for exclusivity is becoming stronger--though I do agree that it's ultimately still up in the air.
For the first point...PC is weird. MS has committed to it completely. Sony's dipping their toes in or wading around in ankle deep water, Nintendo is staying as far away as possible. Looking at MS all I can really think of is A: they're doing it to pull PC users into Xbox, B: they don't see PC as a real competitor, or C: since they have GP on the platform they're willing to make other games available. Sony's obviously moving forward here with Horizon--A and B seem possible here, and they implied A at one point.
Yeah, I meant that they can be sold at a loss at times. I think this Bethesda/Zenimax is a lot different then the other studios they have purchased because of the number of units they sell per game. It will be about financial math and projections on the part of Microsoft in the end and probably why the answer was a little bit of everything for they haven't decided yet. If they make it exclusive they might get more people in the Xbox ecosystem, but at what kind of cost if there are people that won't buy a Xbox? It could easily cost them hundreds of thousands of game sales if not more due to the volume of sales for an Elder Scrolls game. That kind of math might not be as much of a concern with the other studios they bought, but massive IPs might calculate differently. I think Microsoft just sees the PC as another market and selling more copies of their games is always good. It doesn't benefit them as much as if people were playing on a console, but at the same time it opens up a market where people might not have bought their games because they don't want a console.
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Post by eternalambiguity on Oct 17, 2020 7:59:56 GMT
Definitely agree with your first paragraph.
Is "the profit on consoles are at times a negative amount" a slight rewording of "they sell the console at a loss"? If not I don't understand what you're saying there. Related to that, 2 things.
First, getting people to buy Xboxes (unquestionably made easier with powerful IPs like TES) gets them in the ecosystem, where Xbox is now making money on every game that person purchases, Xbox Live, maybe Gamepass until that gets on the other platforms.
Second, we can look at how things are going for post-agreement games by other newly acquired XGS studios. Bleeding Edge and Grounded (and Wasteland Remastered by inXile) are not on non MS platforms. Avowed and HellBlade 2 have only been announced for MS platforms. At this point the precedent for exclusivity is becoming stronger--though I do agree that it's ultimately still up in the air.
For the first point...PC is weird. MS has committed to it completely. Sony's dipping their toes in or wading around in ankle deep water, Nintendo is staying as far away as possible. Looking at MS all I can really think of is A: they're doing it to pull PC users into Xbox, B: they don't see PC as a real competitor, or C: since they have GP on the platform they're willing to make other games available. Sony's obviously moving forward here with Horizon--A and B seem possible here, and they implied A at one point.
Yeah, I meant that they can be sold at a loss at times. I think this Bethesda/Zenimax is a lot different then the other studios they have purchased because of the number of units they sell per game. It will be about financial math and projections on the part of Microsoft in the end and probably why the answer was a little bit of everything for they haven't decided yet. If they make it exclusive they might get more people in the Xbox ecosystem, but at what kind of cost if there are people that won't buy a Xbox? It could easily cost them hundreds of thousands of game sales if not more due to the volume of sales for an Elder Scrolls game. That kind of math might not be as much of a concern with the other studios they bought, but massive IPs might calculate differently. I think Microsoft just sees the PC as another market and selling more copies of their games is always good. It doesn't benefit them as much as if people were playing on a console, but at the same time it opens up a market where people might not have bought their games because they don't want a console. I hope Sony eventually sees it the same way.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 19, 2020 22:29:27 GMT
Historically, Microsoft didn't mind supporting platforms besides the ones they own. Microsoft Office on Macs, for instance. OTOH, that one might have been because they needed the Mac to sty viable to defuse antitrust complaints.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 20, 2020 14:12:21 GMT
That sounds like they were trying to "one up" EA with the fixed loading screen time. I think this does demonstrate at least with sports games the people that buy them don't care what the publishers are doing for the mtx program of the prior NBA games must have been successful enough that they decided to add this.
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