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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 8, 2019 18:16:42 GMT
Chanty/Qun bias "That's racist." More Chantry BS... uhm, bias. Agreed. Depnding on the PC/player it can easily be the other way around. Elf - Good. At least not another preachy andrastian human. (DAI already has a F*CK LOAD of those) Mage - Something the Chantry hates. Great! Apostate - A mage that probably won't prattle chantry BS. Excellent. Bald - Hmm... I don't understand, nor is it explained, to my recollection, how Solas was allowed to enter the Chantry, let alone become the trusted ally he is portrayed to be. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless Chantry security measures are so lax that anyone can walk in. "Elf blood mage, eh? Well, I like the cut of your jib. You'll be Cassandra's personal consultant". Is that how the Chantry works? Solas isn't as mad to use blood magic in front of some chantry fool. He later mentions that he does not use it at all, as it messes with his dreamer abilites or "fade schtick".
Never liked the guy, from the very beginning. He gave me a bad vibe or something. So, I left him alone... not companion material. Many posters here like the guy... want him back in DA4, even. Me? I'd dip him in a hydrocloric acid ( H -- CI) bath tub if I could. If he turns out to be the enemy or sides with the enemy, all the better. I'll get the chance to pulverize the little bald weasel.
I feel exactly the same way about TIM, Miranda and Cerberus in general, yet my Shepards never got to punch them in the face, instead being forced to have circular arguments and dialogue that leads nowhere as of ME3. Ugh.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 8, 2019 18:26:57 GMT
I feel exactly the same way about TIM, Miranda and Cerberus in general, yet my Shepards never got to punch them in the face, instead being forced to have circular arguments and dialogue that leads nowhere as of ME3. Ugh. While I do understand the sentiment, Miranda does turn her back on TIM. It's a calculated move, on her part. Just like everything else she does.
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Post by Iddy on Oct 8, 2019 18:44:20 GMT
Mage - untrustworthy Elf - VERY untrustworthy Apostate- Mega mega untrustworthy Bald- Super super untrustworthy It all adds up. I don't understand, nor is it explained, to my recollection, how Solas was allowed to enter the Chantry, let alone become the trusted ally he is portrayed to be. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless Chantry security measures are so lax that anyone can walk in.
"Elf blood mage, eh? Well, I like the cut of your jib. You'll be Cassandra's personal consultant".
Is that how the Chantry works?
I'm still trying to understand how did the Qunari, Dalish and dwarven Inquisitor gain access to the Conclave.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 8, 2019 18:55:24 GMT
I don't understand, nor is it explained, to my recollection, how Solas was allowed to enter the Chantry, let alone become the trusted ally he is portrayed to be. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless Chantry security measures are so lax that anyone can walk in.
"Elf blood mage, eh? Well, I like the cut of your jib. You'll be Cassandra's personal consultant".
Is that how the Chantry works?
I'm still trying to understand how did the Qunari, Dalish and dwarven Inquisitor gain access to the Conclave. Well the qunari is hired muscle, and the other two are...sneaky? I can't figure out how a blighted ancient magister and an army of wardens managed to get in. They stand out a lot more than a single elf or dwarf. As for my suspicion...I knew there was something up with the unassuming elf who knew too much about everything, but Elvhen 'God' was not on my radar.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 8, 2019 20:05:15 GMT
I’d guess the grey wardens got in in disguise or via some tool of corypheus, like a venatori planted among one of the mage delegations. As for cory himself, he could have snuck in but i think its more likely he bodyhopped into one of the wardens once they were in position. Like how he rezzed in the Temple of Mythal.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 8, 2019 20:13:39 GMT
I'm still trying to understand how did the Qunari, Dalish and dwarven Inquisitor gain access to the Conclave. Well the qunari is hired muscle, and the other two are...sneaky? I can't figure out how a blighted ancient magister and an army of wardens managed to get in. They stand out a lot more than a single elf or dwarf. As for my suspicion...I knew there was something up with the unassuming elf who knew too much about everything, but Elvhen 'God' was not on my radar. Yes, I quickly thought to myself 'Punching this guy in the snout may not have been the wisest thing to do."
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Oct 8, 2019 20:39:46 GMT
Well the qunari is hired muscle, and the other two are...sneaky? I can't figure out how a blighted ancient magister and an army of wardens managed to get in. They stand out a lot more than a single elf or dwarf. As for my suspicion...I knew there was something up with the unassuming elf who knew too much about everything, but Elvhen 'God' was not on my radar. Yes, I quickly thought to myself 'Punching this guy in the snout may not have been the wisest thing to do." You think that was bad, kissing him was worse.
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Post by melbella on Oct 9, 2019 1:07:52 GMT
I can't figure out how a blighted ancient magister and an army of wardens managed to get in. They stand out a lot more than a single elf or dwarf. My theory is Deep Roads tunnels under the temple. Although, considering how lax security was with both Cass and Leliana on their way back from Kirkwall instead of providing security for the Divine, I guess they could have just waltzed in like everyone else.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2019 19:13:29 GMT
I'm still trying to understand how did the Qunari, Dalish and dwarven Inquisitor gain access to the Conclave. Well the qunari is hired muscle, and the other two are...sneaky? The dwarf was a member of the carta, which the Chantry has dealings with so they can get lyrium for their Templars. Presumably, some favors were called in so they could observe the Conclave (since how it goes could affect the carta's profits)
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2019 19:14:19 GMT
Solas was clearly hiding stuff. But had no clue about his true nature.
Blackwall set off more alarm bells than Solas did.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 9, 2019 19:18:34 GMT
Mage - untrustworthy Elf - VERY untrustworthy Apostate- Mega mega untrustworthy Bald- Super super untrustworthy It all adds up. I don't understand, nor is it explained, to my recollection, how Solas was allowed to enter the Chantry, let alone become the trusted ally he is portrayed to be. It doesn't make sense to me. Unless Chantry security measures are so lax that anyone can walk in.
"Elf blood mage, eh? Well, I like the cut of your jib. You'll be Cassandra's personal consultant".
Is that how the Chantry works?
My understanding is he didn't reveal himself until after the earth-shaking KABOOM. He showed up as just some apostate hobo, surrendered peacefully, and when the Inquisitor popped out of the Fade, he "just happened" to provide some information on the mark that proved useful. Including that it could be used to close rifts. Basically, he played at being harmless, and made himself indispensable with his knowledge.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 10, 2019 11:44:10 GMT
My understanding is he didn't reveal himself until after the earth-shaking KABOOM. He showed up as just some apostate hobo, surrendered peacefully, and when the Inquisitor popped out of the Fade, he "just happened" to provide some information on the mark that proved useful. Including that it could be used to close rifts. Basically, he played at being harmless, and made himself indispensable with his knowledge. Well, that sounds even more suspicious. This one guy shows up, presents himself as a nobody, then the kaboom happens and somehow, without giving any prior indication, he is VERY knowledgeable to what happened. Sounds even more so like a trap.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Oct 10, 2019 14:50:36 GMT
I find Solas inserting himself at the start with an “i was in the area cus Conclave and now id like to help oh by the way I've studied the fade my whole life” to actually be plausible. I mean I'm sure Cass held him at sword point for a bit. But if he introduced himself right, like saving lives in a battle or something, coupled with his calm even demeanor (and the fact they need everything they can get in terms of aide at the moment), its very believable to me that they postponed his background check for expediency’s sake.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 10, 2019 14:55:58 GMT
My understanding is he didn't reveal himself until after the earth-shaking KABOOM. He showed up as just some apostate hobo, surrendered peacefully, and when the Inquisitor popped out of the Fade, he "just happened" to provide some information on the mark that proved useful. Including that it could be used to close rifts. Basically, he played at being harmless, and made himself indispensable with his knowledge. Well, that sounds even more suspicious. This one guy shows up, presents himself as a nobody, then the kaboom happens and somehow, without giving any prior indication, he is VERY knowledgeable to what happened. Sounds even more so like a trap. Like I said, he showed up AFTER the kaboom. And yeah, his knowledge is suspicious, but then he actively helps fight the demons, seals, rifts, etc. Once the Elder One makes his presence known, everyone's more than happy to focus on teh blighted abomination as the "bad guy"
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Post by Iakus on Oct 10, 2019 15:11:00 GMT
I find Solas inserting himself at the start with an “i was in the area cus Conclave and now id like to help oh by the way I've studied the fade my whole life” to actually be plausible. I mean I'm sure cass held him at sword point for a bit. But if he introduced himself right, like saving lives in a battle or something, coupled with his calm even demeanor and the fact they need everything they can get in terms of aide at the moment, its very believable to me that they postponed his background check for expediency’s sake. Cassandra: I've wondered: How did you know to approach us, Solas? Cassandra: The Breach opened, we were scrambling and barely had time to think... and there you were. Solas: I went to see the Breach for myself. I did not know you would be there. Cassandra: You must not have been far away. Solas: I was not. I'd come to hear of the Conclave, but did not want to get close. Cassandra: Hmm. Lucky for us, then.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 10, 2019 16:14:57 GMT
I find Solas inserting himself at the start with an “i was in the area cus Conclave and now id like to help oh by the way I've studied the fade my whole life” to actually be plausible. I mean I'm sure cass held him at sword point for a bit. But if he introduced himself right, like saving lives in a battle or something, coupled with his calm even demeanor and the fact they need everything they can get in terms of aide at the moment, its very believable to me that they postponed his background check for expediency’s sake. Cassandra: I've wondered: How did you know to approach us, Solas? Cassandra: The Breach opened, we were scrambling and barely had time to think... and there you were. Solas: I went to see the Breach for myself. I did not know you would be there. Cassandra: You must not have been far away. Solas: I was not. I'd come to hear of the Conclave, but did not want to get close. Cassandra: Hmm. Lucky for us, then. Yeah, no. That elf is a plant, off with his head.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 10, 2019 16:18:39 GMT
dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_SolasCassandra,
I understand our first order of business must be to investigate this bizarre breach in the sky and protect people from the demons descending. While my search continues, I wish to draw your attention to a new arrival at our camp: an elven apostate calling himself Solas.
Solas entered the camp voluntarily, surrendering his staff to Chantry forces without protest. He is not Dalish and says that he has never been part of the Circle, claiming instead to have studied magic peacefully on his own... particularly magic tied to the Fade.
While I suspect you will be reluctant to accept the help of an apostate, Solas did come to us freely. Witnesses saw him in a nearby village at the time of the blast, so he was likely not responsible for what happened at the Conclave. However, he has described the effects of the Breach in enough detail to convince me that he knows more about the Fade than anyone else present.
Solas has requested permission to study the lone survivor and one of the smaller rifts, in hopes of finding a way to seal the Breach. He has correctly guessed that it is growing, and believes it will destroy the entire world unless we find a way to stop it. Unless you object, I will allow him his studies—under proper observation, of course.
LelianaPost-game addendum: Inquisitor,
Despite my efforts, I have been unable to locate Solas. From the site of your battle with Corypheus, he was last seen headed west, still distraught over the destruction of the orb Corypheus carried. From there he disappeared, evading my people so easily and so completely that I am forced to wonder how much he knew about them.
When Solas initially approached the Inquisition and offered aid, I questioned him extensively about his background and history. He was evasive, but he did give the name of the village where he grew up, noting that it was small, unlikely to appear on any map.
I hate loose ends, so I kept a few of my agents searching, to verify his story. They recently located the village... or what remains of it. It is a ruin, as it has been for centuries, its name preserved only in degraded form in Ancient Tevinter mysteries. Whoever Solas truly is, wherever he came from, he has deceived us from the very start.
I apologize for not investigating this more thoroughly while Solas was here. He was clearly helping us, and other matters were of greater urgency, but it was an oversight nevertheless, given how little he shared with us. It is not clear what his plans are, if any, but I will continue to search.
Leliana
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Post by Iddy on Oct 10, 2019 17:02:29 GMT
dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_SolasCassandra,
I understand our first order of business must be to investigate this bizarre breach in the sky and protect people from the demons descending. While my search continues, I wish to draw your attention to a new arrival at our camp: an elven apostate calling himself Solas.
Solas entered the camp voluntarily, surrendering his staff to Chantry forces without protest. He is not Dalish and says that he has never been part of the Circle, claiming instead to have studied magic peacefully on his own... particularly magic tied to the Fade.
While I suspect you will be reluctant to accept the help of an apostate, Solas did come to us freely. Witnesses saw him in a nearby village at the time of the blast, so he was likely not responsible for what happened at the Conclave. However, he has described the effects of the Breach in enough detail to convince me that he knows more about the Fade than anyone else present.
Solas has requested permission to study the lone survivor and one of the smaller rifts, in hopes of finding a way to seal the Breach. He has correctly guessed that it is growing, and believes it will destroy the entire world unless we find a way to stop it. Unless you object, I will allow him his studies—under proper observation, of course.
LelianaPost-game addendum: Inquisitor,
Despite my efforts, I have been unable to locate Solas. From the site of your battle with Corypheus, he was last seen headed west, still distraught over the destruction of the orb Corypheus carried. From there he disappeared, evading my people so easily and so completely that I am forced to wonder how much he knew about them.
When Solas initially approached the Inquisition and offered aid, I questioned him extensively about his background and history. He was evasive, but he did give the name of the village where he grew up, noting that it was small, unlikely to appear on any map.
I hate loose ends, so I kept a few of my agents searching, to verify his story. They recently located the village... or what remains of it. It is a ruin, as it has been for centuries, its name preserved only in degraded form in Ancient Tevinter mysteries. Whoever Solas truly is, wherever he came from, he has deceived us from the very start.
I apologize for not investigating this more thoroughly while Solas was here. He was clearly helping us, and other matters were of greater urgency, but it was an oversight nevertheless, given how little he shared with us. It is not clear what his plans are, if any, but I will continue to search.
Leliana I think he told them the truth about the village. It is a ruin because, well, you know. It's been a while.
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