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Post by dagless on May 1, 2019 6:59:17 GMT
Holy shit! A fellow headphone snob! I love Focal, I use the closed Spirit Pro for gaming and on the train. I have one of the cheaper STAX sets for music but they are way too open for my noise PC fans. I did a brief sampling of the Utopia and, oh yes, it sounds great. But the price is ridiculous. And they didn't really sound better than the STAX I have for way less money. So absolutely not worth it just as a protable alternative. But I am a bit jealous of somebody who can just spend 5 grand on a headphone. PS: I HATE Sennheiser. Or rather how they do bass. Sounds so ugly to my ears. Even the revered HD800 is kind of meh.
Wow, you have a STAX? I'm jealous too. One of my friends actually bought a Sennheiser HD800S, a Focal Clear, and then a Focal Utopia, so I was lucky enough to have to opportunity to audition those. That's kind of how I figured out that the Utopia were the right headphones for me. The HD800S just sounded too analytical and transparent to me. Maybe it's because I'm used to the warmth of my LCD-2 or maybe it's because of my Burson Soloist amp, but the Utopia worked perfectly with my current setup. I definitely won't pay $4000 or $5000 for them. I'll wait for a good deal and try to buy one from an authorized seller for $3000-ish. By the way, my "fun" headphones is a pair for Fostex TH900. They are very V-shaped, so they are only good for a certain type of music with strong bass and female vocals (like EDM) and nothing else. I don't think I'll ever get rid of them because they are just a big guilty pleasure for me. Every time I put them on, they just blow my mind. Of course “analytical and transparent” is exactly what the HD800s are designed to be. They are primarily studio reference headphones, and just like reference monitors (what everyone else calls speakers) they’re not really supposed to sound “good”. They are supposed to sound flat and detailed, so when you’re mixing music you can hear any little flaws that could be masked or amplified by equipment that colors the sound more. That means if you make music on good quality reference headphones or monitors, you shouldn’t get any nasty surprises when playing back on other equipment. I believe Focal Clears are intended for the same purpose, but don’t think the Utopias are. Although I’ve never been in the market for headphones in this price range, so not entirely sure. Some audiophiles like the clarity and detail in this kind of thing for general playback, and even between supposed flat headphones/monitors there’s a huge variety and personal preference is important. However, when judging them, it’s good to know why they are the like this. Definitely with you on Focal as a brand though. I have CMS65 monitors (now discontinued) for both music and gaming. Super clear, and never seem harsh or fatiguing. Can’t see myself changing or upgrading, well ever really. Not sure I’d recommend them as a gaming peripheral exactly. They take up a pretty big chunk of desk space. As for other stuff, I’m pretty boring. Computer is pretty much a featureless black slab. Logitech MX anywhere mouse 2 is also fairly standard, but I use it for my laptop as well and the tracking is ridiculously good. I’ve used it perfectly normally on a fabric sofa and even my own leg (had so much stuff around me, it was the only surface left). Never really felt any need for a gaming keyboard or mouse. Nice to see some more subtle designs around now though. No way I’d buy something that looks likes it belongs in a Transformers film. But that’s just me.
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Post by bmwcrazy on May 2, 2019 1:32:38 GMT
Of course “analytical and transparent” is exactly what the HD800s are designed to be. They are primarily studio reference headphones, and just like reference monitors (what everyone else calls speakers) they’re not really supposed to sound “good”. They are supposed to sound flat and detailed, so when you’re mixing music you can hear any little flaws that could be masked or amplified by equipment that colors the sound more. That means if you make music on good quality reference headphones or monitors, you shouldn’t get any nasty surprises when playing back on other equipment. I believe Focal Clears are intended for the same purpose, but don’t think the Utopias are. Although I’ve never been in the market for headphones in this price range, so not entirely sure. Some audiophiles like the clarity and detail in this kind of thing for general playback, and even between supposed flat headphones/monitors there’s a huge variety and personal preference is important. However, when judging them, it’s good to know why they are the like this. Definitely with you on Focal as a brand though. I have CMS65 monitors (now discontinued) for both music and gaming. Super clear, and never seem harsh or fatiguing. Can’t see myself changing or upgrading, well ever really. Not sure I’d recommend them as a gaming peripheral exactly. They take up a pretty big chunk of desk space. As for other stuff, I’m pretty boring. Computer is pretty much a featureless black slab. Logitech MX anywhere mouse 2 is also fairly standard, but I use it for my laptop as well and the tracking is ridiculously good. I’ve used it perfectly normally on a fabric sofa and even my own leg (had so much stuff around me, it was the only surface left). Never really felt any need for a gaming keyboard or mouse. Nice to see some more subtle designs around now though. No way I’d buy something that looks likes it belongs in a Transformers film. But that’s just me. I can tell you that I definitely prefer the Clear over the HD800S. The HD800S is also a little bit sharp in the treble. It's not as bad as my TH900 but it's probably not something I would use without an equalizer. The best all-rounder in my opinion is probably the Focal Clear. It is not overly expensive and it delivers pretty much 90% of what Utopia offers (it also has more bass than the Utopia if that's your thing). On the gaming keyboards and gaming mice though, when it comes to competitive shooters like Counter Strike: Global Offensive and Apex Legends, some of them definitely give you an edge over the average devices. Like the Cherry MX Speed switches have very short actuation point, so you can quickly and accurately move side to side in situations where you need to get a quick peek and snipe someone. This stuff is mostly a personal preference. Personally, I don't care about the over the top RGB aesthetic on hardware marketed for PC gamers and PC enthusiasts. However, once you're used to these fast keyboard switches, accurate mouse sensors, and high refresh rate monitors with very short response time, you really can't go back to the normal stuff.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 20, 2019 16:47:13 GMT
Great thread! I'm a console gamer at present, so the best tech is largely inaccessible for me. Still, I love to hear what's out there and what others are discovering and enjoying.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Sept 24, 2019 10:12:10 GMT
Learnt my lesson with Razor merchandise after buying a bluetooth headset for the xbox 360. It was heavy, uncomfortable and broke very quickly.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 3, 2019 17:33:59 GMT
So yeah, the mouse I bought, the Rival 110 from Steel Series... don't bother guys. Thing is double clicking already and I bought it in february. 30 million clicks worth my penis. Even if I managed to get 1000 clicks a day that still wouldn't be even a fraction of that number. Good thing I got one of the cheapest mouses from them.
I'll try luck with Logitech maybe next year, once we pass elections here, prices might drop a little bit temporarily (yes, you actually have to worry about that here too) because I'm sick wasting thousands of ARS every fucking year on junk.
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Post by saandrig on Oct 4, 2019 11:53:56 GMT
So yeah, the mouse I bought, the Rival 110 from Steel Series... don't bother guys. Thing is double clicking already and I bought it in february. 30 million clicks worth my penis. Even if I managed to get 1000 clicks a day that still wouldn't be even a fraction of that number. Good thing I got one of the cheapest mouses from them. I'll try luck with Logitech maybe next year, once we pass elections here, prices might drop a little bit temporarily (yes, you actually have to worry about that here too) because I'm sick wasting thousands of ARS every fucking year on junk. I am pretty happy thus far with my first Logitech mouse - G600. I've been with Razer for a decade, but their latest Naga Trinity was nothing but problems. First Trinity broke down completely in 2 weeks after purchase, while the second one developed BOTH right and left mouse double clicks within 3-4 months of light usage. The G600 is going strong for 5 months now with zero issues. Razer products are great...when they work. But it seems their build quality gets worse each year.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 4, 2019 14:21:41 GMT
I am pretty happy thus far with my first Logitech mouse - G600. I've been with Razer for a decade, but their latest Naga Trinity was nothing but problems. First Trinity broke down completely in 2 weeks after purchase, while the second one developed BOTH right and left mouse double clicks within 3-4 months of light usage. The G600 is going strong for 5 months now with zero issues. Razer products are great...when they work. But it seems their build quality gets worse each year. I was looking the 502, it's not astronomically expensive here, but at the same time it's not the cheapest from them (which might be both good, and bad if the thing brakes in half a year). It doesn't look very comfortable though, it reminds me of the RAT7, heavy and weird in the hand. Your's is the one with the gazillion buttons on the side if I got my picture right. Seems like it's a pretty "tall" mouse, also costs double of what the 502 price is, at least around here. I remember hearing Zowie are pretty good, problem is that those are like Audio Technica peripherals: all cost a fortune, and don't look super comfy to begin with.
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Post by saandrig on Oct 4, 2019 16:05:38 GMT
I was looking the 502, it's not astronomically expensive here, but at the same time it's not the cheapest from them (which might be both good, and bad if the thing brakes in half a year). It doesn't look very comfortable though, it reminds me of the RAT7, heavy and weird in the hand. Your's is the one with the gazillion buttons on the side if I got my picture right. Seems like it's a pretty "tall" mouse, also costs double of what the 502 price is, at least around here. I remember hearing Zowie are pretty good, problem is that those are like Audio Technica peripherals: all cost a fortune, and don't look super comfy to begin with. Unfortunately after I got used to my first Razer Naga and it's 12 side buttons, macros and all, I just can't go back to another type of mouse. I am pretty comfortable with these mice and their size (but I am not with a small stature, so maybe that matters ) and actually prefer them. Since I moved to them I had no more issues with pain or fatigue in my wrist and hand even after hours of gaming. But yeah, expensive little things.
The G600 is with a bit different structure than the Nagas, but it took only a few days to feel like it fits me like a smooth glove. Just hoping it keeps working.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 4, 2019 16:26:45 GMT
Unfortunately after I got used to my first Razer Naga and it's 12 side buttons, macros and all, I just can't go back to another type of mouse. I am pretty comfortable with these mice and their size (but I am not with a small stature, so maybe that matters ) and actually prefer them. Since I moved to them I had no more issues with pain or fatigue in my wrist and hand even after hours of gaming. But yeah, expensive little things.
The G600 is with a bit different structure than the Nagas, but it took only a few days to feel like it fits me like a smooth glove. Just hoping it keeps working.
Make sure to report back if it doesn't. I swear one day I'll find a mouse that lasts for years and not months like it used to be back in the 90s and early 2000s before the "gamer" tag turned so popular.
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 5, 2019 16:39:24 GMT
I have the G502 Hero www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g502-hero-gaming-mouse.html Its got weights to give it the balance you want, not loaded down with a ton of buttons and is durable. A few times I've slammed it on the desk and its still going. I'm hard on mice like that but not like I used to be. They're too expensive to break these days. The mouse fits my hand just right, doesn't get cramps from prolong use like from other mice I used in the past.
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Post by CHRrOME on Oct 6, 2019 1:22:04 GMT
I have the G502 Hero www.logitechg.com/en-us/products/gaming-mice/g502-hero-gaming-mouse.html Its got weights to give it the balance you want, not loaded down with a ton of buttons and is durable. A few times I've slammed it on the desk and its still going. I'm hard on mice like that but not like I used to be. They're too expensive to break these days. The mouse fits my hand just right, doesn't get cramps from prolong use like from other mice I used in the past. I've never broke a mouse or a KB for that matter, not once. I'm super careful with my stuff. It's just the built quality itself that is very much questionable. Weights are eh in my opinion. I remember in the RAT they were pointless, the mouse itself was super heavy, when I switched to the Deathadder I couldn't believe how comfy and light it was. Out of curiosity, for how long have you been using it?
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Post by House Targaryen on Oct 6, 2019 4:56:50 GMT
^ Bought it this March I believe.
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Post by nanotm on Nov 2, 2019 1:25:44 GMT
I just got an early xmass pressie of the corsair void pro wireless headset (apparently the kids took issue with me snapping cords) unlike previous wireless ones ive tried this one doesnt get the bip bip noise from the phone so thats a bonus, the sound output is pretty decent and they seem to work really well, the stand they got to go with them not so much... but I guess thats just something else to figure out/
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Post by Addictress on Dec 1, 2019 12:53:16 GMT
I'm sincerely gonna read all these posts above me about headsets because I'm using earbuds right now....I have some decent whole-ear headphones in storage which I bought for my piano/keyboard and since I don't really play anymore I should just use that.
I bought an Oculus Rift S yesterday to take my No Man's Sky experience to the next level.
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 2, 2019 0:22:53 GMT
I'm sincerely gonna read all these posts above me about headsets because I'm using earbuds right now....I have some decent whole-ear headphones in storage which I bought for my piano/keyboard and since I don't really play anymore I should just use that. I bought an Oculus Rift S yesterday to take my No Man's Sky experience to the next level. Depends if you like wireless or wired. I hate wired so I have a wireless headset. What I have is mentioned on the first page of this topic.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Dec 6, 2019 2:21:46 GMT
Just got my LG 27GL850-B monitor that I ordered on Black Friday. It is a 27" 1440p 144hz IPS panel that supports Freesync and partially G-Sync. It will replace my Benq XL2720Z which is a 27" 1080p 144hz TN panel. So far the picture quality is so much better than my XL2720Z due to it being an IPS panel and the higher 1440p solution. It already looks very good out of the box but I will still calibrate it.
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Post by saandrig on Dec 6, 2019 12:39:21 GMT
Just got my LG 27GL850-B monitor that I ordered on Black Friday. It is a 27" 1440p 144hz IPS panel that supports Freesync and partially G-Sync. It will replace my Benq XL2720Z which is a 27" 1080p 144hz TN panel. So far the picture quality is so much better than my XL2720Z due to it being an IPS panel and the higher 1440p solution. It already looks very good out of the box but I will still calibrate it. Congratulations on the huge upgrade!
You don't know it yet, but the Freesync/G-sync is the real treat.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Dec 6, 2019 19:33:09 GMT
Congratulations on the huge upgrade! You don't know it yet, but the Freesync/G-sync is the real treat. I have actually used G-Sync before when I borrowed my friend's XB271HU. It's alright, but I still prefer turning Vsync off completely when I play competitively.
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Post by BamBam the Destroyer on Mar 6, 2020 21:38:46 GMT
My recently deceased gaming pc used a corsair airflow case. Never again. I hate it so much. Dust, fragile connections around the filters and power supply, overkill large, just bad.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 9, 2020 10:38:47 GMT
My recently deceased gaming pc used a corsair airflow case. Never again. I hate it so much. Dust, fragile connections around the filters and power supply, overkill large, just bad. Dust will always be a problem at some point. Even the best dust shields are not 100% protection. That said, I was surprised how good the Fractal Design Define R6 kept the dust to a minimum. I was lazy and opened it after 6-7 months for a clean up, but the dust inside was almost nonexistant.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 9, 2020 16:16:31 GMT
My recently deceased gaming pc used a corsair airflow case. Never again. I hate it so much. Dust, fragile connections around the filters and power supply, overkill large, just bad. I have the Corsair Trooper Been using it for I believe 4 years now? Can't really say I have a complaint amazingly enough, it seems like these days even something as simple as a case comes with issues. Imagine building quality products in current year... But I digress. It's a full tower, that's what I wanted, has a lot of space inside. The old models had a metallic mesh on the side instead of the acrilic window, I like this one more. Also the duster panels in the front are removable for easy (kinda...) washing.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 17, 2020 2:54:13 GMT
I'm gonna sound rich, but I weighed my option between having children, having a house, and getting a GTX 2080 SLIM-FORM powerhouse PC on Amazon during quarantine....and the last option won.
It's arriving on Saturday.
It'll be future-proof, and VR-ready. I got my Oculus headset that's been dusting on my desk (I didn't have a proper computer for it ever since I got it during Christmas).
It's going to be mind-blowingly amazing. I wish it could be here faster.
Plus, I'm going to wipe it down with Clorox wipes when it arrives.
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Post by Addictress on Mar 17, 2020 2:56:48 GMT
The main reason being that my Dell gaming laptop, which I'm already super proud of, cannot hold more than like 2 AAA games at once, and I'm tired of uninstalling and re-installing games. I want a wide variety of AAA games.
This new powerhouse PC will have 2 TB's. Omg.
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Post by saandrig on Mar 17, 2020 7:23:21 GMT
The main reason being that my Dell gaming laptop, which I'm already super proud of, cannot hold more than like 2 AAA games at once, and I'm tired of uninstalling and re-installing games. I want a wide variety of AAA games. This new powerhouse PC will have 2 TB's. Omg. As someone that is using 12 TB...you will need moar space!!!
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Mar 17, 2020 8:53:18 GMT
I'm gonna sound rich, but I weighed my option between having children, having a house, and getting a GTX 2080 SLIM-FORM powerhouse PC on Amazon during quarantine....and the last option won. Slim? I hope it has good ventilation, it might be a bit soundy 2TB of SSD I presume?
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