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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 15, 2019 16:57:29 GMT
I tried to find information regarding spaceports on Earth. We know there's one in Vancouver. Is there any indication that other spaceports exist in different spots around the world? I ask mainly because I'm writing a fic made in the ME Universe. I want my characters to be on the West Coast of the US/Canada during the Reaper War and at its close. They're marines and I don't want to set them around Vancouver (or London). I'm in the last chapter of a four-part series and want to fit this in. I guess they could fly in on a shuttle if there's no spaceport.
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Post by Space Cowboy on Feb 15, 2019 17:04:11 GMT
I’d say, given it’s your story, you could set them up wherever makes sense. I’d say at least one per major population centre like airports in the real world. My impression was that Vancouver was actually big enough to merge with Seattle, but could be wrong about that.
There might be a few in California. Maybe SF and LA at least?
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Post by themikefest on Feb 15, 2019 17:04:44 GMT
I would say there's one in Rio de Janeiro since that's where The Interplanetary Combatives Academy, or N-school, is located.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 15, 2019 17:20:12 GMT
I see no reason why there wouldn’t be. If even small colonies like Feros have spaceports then why wouldn’t Earth?
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 15, 2019 17:50:15 GMT
Spaceports off Earth? *starryeyes*
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Post by burningcherry on Feb 15, 2019 18:57:18 GMT
Technically not on Earth but Tamayo Point maybe? It's in Sol.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 16, 2019 3:49:05 GMT
Thanks for all the responses. Does need to be on Earth because the guys are in the ground fighting Reaper forces and far far away from their native France and Ireland. I have a song stuck in my head that makes me want it in California. I guess since it's my story I can make a spaceport in San Diego. Or just suck it up and have it around Vancouver and then travel South post-war.
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Post by sageoflife on Feb 16, 2019 3:51:42 GMT
There's also probably one in Singapore, since the transport explosion there created the first biotics. I would expect that by the time the series starts spaceports have basically replaced airports and can be found in most major cities.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 16, 2019 7:59:00 GMT
I hate to even bring this up but the Alliance ranking system seems to be a complete mess. I really don't understand it, or why he codex has the slashes with some ranks (captain/major) but others don't.
For the purposes of my story I followed (mostly) the USMC ranking system to the best of my ability. Obviously Commander doesn't fit but the best Alliance seems to have a lot of overlap with Navy and Marines so it's not too bad. I gave the guys the rank of Sergeant, which appears in no codex and only seems to be a thing in mercenary companies. I've never understood the difference between NCO, WO and O.
One of my guys attended some equivalent of JROTC before joining. I thought it made some kind of difference in real world military but I'm not sure. Similarly, one of them attended Grissom Academy as a minor and I thought that might allow him to join the Alliance at a higher rank or something.
Sorry this is so far off topic but some of this had given me headaches trying to figure it out. Also, one has gone to ICT, and is an N3 but I don't think that impacts rank.
I guess I'm doing a lot of making things up since there's so much inconsistent lore, or just unknowns. I was comfortable in deciding dog tags for biotics had blue engravings, so medics might know how to deal with a potentially dangerous patient who might lash out in pain or confusion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2019 14:02:36 GMT
I hate to even bring this up but the Alliance ranking system seems to be a complete mess. I really don't understand it, or why he codex has the slashes with some ranks (captain/major) but others don't. For the purposes of my story I followed (mostly) the USMC ranking system to the best of my ability. Obviously Commander doesn't fit but the best Alliance seems to have a lot of overlap with Navy and Marines so it's not too bad. I gave the guys the rank of Sergeant, which appears in no codex and only seems to be a thing in mercenary companies. I've never understood the difference between NCO, WO and O. One of my guys attended some equivalent of JROTC before joining. I thought it made some kind of difference in real world military but I'm not sure. Similarly, one of them attended Grissom Academy as a minor and I thought that might allow him to join the Alliance at a higher rank or something. Sorry this is so far off topic but some of this had given me headaches trying to figure it out. Also, one has gone to ICT, and is an N3 but I don't think that impacts rank. I guess I'm doing a lot of making things up since there's so much inconsistent lore, or just unknowns. I was comfortable in deciding dog tags for biotics had blue engravings, so medics might know how to deal with a potentially dangerous patient who might lash out in pain or confusion. This might help a little bit.
It seems they sort pulled rankings from a variety of forces and combined them into their own Alliance structure.
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Post by sassafrassa on Feb 16, 2019 16:56:42 GMT
I would imagine many of the bigger cities have them. We aren't ever given a lot of detail about Earth. Just google the biggest airports in the world and those would probably be converted into spaceports. So Vancouver, Los Angeles, San Francisco (home of Starfleet in Star Trek, after all), New York, Denver, London, Paris, Berlin, Moscow (and/or wherever their primary launch facility is in real life), a few in China, at least on in Japan and Korea, ect...
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There's also probably one in Singapore, since the transport explosion there created the first biotics. I would expect that by the time the series starts spaceports have basically replaced airports and can be found in most major cities. ME1 Timeline (Codex) refers to a shipping accident at "Singapore International Spaceport" so there was definitely one there. The little farming colony on Eden Prime has one with two platforms, so I suspect small spaceports of that size probably exist all over (maybe even as common as small "commuter" airports), with "international" size ones inhabiting virtually all the major cities.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 16, 2019 22:58:03 GMT
There's also probably one in Singapore, since the transport explosion there created the first biotics. I would expect that by the time the series starts spaceports have basically replaced airports and can be found in most major cities. ME1 Timeline (Codex) refers to a shipping accident at "Singapore International Spaceport" so there was definitely one there. The little farming colony on Eden Prime has one with two platforms, so I suspect small spaceports of that size probably exist all over (maybe even as common as small "commuter" airports), with "international" size ones inhabiting virtually all the major cities. Major cities make sense. Colonies might be a different story because, based on what we've seen, they're considerably smaller. Eden Prime wasn't all that big and Feros didn't seem to be more than a few dozen people. In any case it seems to be open to adding to the background and deciding for myself.
Similarly, I'm mostly ignoring the Alliance military ranks. My guys are remaining Sergeants since that's a reasonably rank to have obtained by five years of service.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2019 3:17:07 GMT
ME1 Timeline (Codex) refers to a shipping accident at "Singapore International Spaceport" so there was definitely one there. The little farming colony on Eden Prime has one with two platforms, so I suspect small spaceports of that size probably exist all over (maybe even as common as small "commuter" airports), with "international" size ones inhabiting virtually all the major cities. Major cities make sense. Colonies might be a different story because, based on what we've seen, they're considerably smaller. Eden Prime wasn't all that big and Feros didn't seem to be more than a few dozen people. In any case it seems to be open to adding to the background and deciding for myself.
Similarly, I'm mostly ignoring the Alliance military ranks. My guys are remaining Sergeants since that's a reasonably rank to have obtained by five years of service.
One I just thought of was Ashley's early rank - Gunnery Chief. Use of the term "chief" makes me wonder if naval ranks might be more appropriate - e.g. Petty Officer, Chief Petty Officer. Just a thought.
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Post by KrrKs on Feb 17, 2019 17:13:18 GMT
ME1 Timeline (Codex) refers to a shipping accident at "Singapore International Spaceport" so there was definitely one there. The little farming colony on Eden Prime has one with two platforms, so I suspect small spaceports of that size probably exist all over (maybe even as common as small "commuter" airports), with "international" size ones inhabiting virtually all the major cities. Major cities make sense. Colonies might be a different story because, based on what we've seen, they're considerably smaller. Eden Prime wasn't all that big and Feros didn't seem to be more than a few dozen people. In any case it seems to be open to adding to the background and deciding for myself. According to the wiki, Eden prime had a population of 3.7 million in ME1. The Feros colony consisted of 300 people pre- Geth attack.
Anyway: Actual spaceports are probably in each major city. Though like UpUp said, small ports for shuttles, fighters, and even small transports or frigates and the like can be literally anywhere. I mean, In my direct vicinity there is a major airport and at least two smaller sport air fields. When shuttles and sky-taxies can land and take off from anywhere, it would make sense to have those serve fewer but slightly larger or more specialized space-crafts instead than air-crafts. Just a thought.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 0:21:43 GMT
Major cities make sense. Colonies might be a different story because, based on what we've seen, they're considerably smaller. Eden Prime wasn't all that big and Feros didn't seem to be more than a few dozen people. In any case it seems to be open to adding to the background and deciding for myself.
Similarly, I'm mostly ignoring the Alliance military ranks. My guys are remaining Sergeants since that's a reasonably rank to have obtained by five years of service.
One I just thought of was Ashley's early rank - Gunnery Chief. Use of the term "chief" makes me wonder if naval ranks might be more appropriate - e.g. Petty Officer, Chief Petty Officer. Just a thought. The lines are blurred between Navy and Marines in ME. It seems as though the Marines are a subset of the Navy. Ranking is therefore inconsistent. Besides, though "chief" applies to seamen, "gunny" applies to marines. It could go either way with her but she's stated to be a marine. Same with Shepard (who has a Naval rank...). Kaidan has a Marine rank. Toombs and Jenkins are both corporals and stated to be marines. Like I said, it might be best to ignore what's in the games and use a system that makes sense. In some cases it could be "filling in the blanks" for ranks that maybe ought to have been present.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2019 1:57:45 GMT
One I just thought of was Ashley's early rank - Gunnery Chief. Use of the term "chief" makes me wonder if naval ranks might be more appropriate - e.g. Petty Officer, Chief Petty Officer. Just a thought. The lines are blurred between Navy and Marines in ME. It seems as though the Marines are a subset of the Navy. Ranking is therefore inconsistent. Besides, though "chief" applies to seamen, "gunny" applies to marines. It could go either way with her but she's stated to be a marine. Same with Shepard (who has a Naval rank...). Kaidan has a Marine rank. Toombs and Jenkins are both corporals and stated to be marines. Like I said, it might be best to ignore what's in the games and use a system that makes sense. In some cases it could be "filling in the blanks" for ranks that maybe ought to have been present. I agree. They blurred the lines and used elements of both to make their own Alliance. All I was suggesting is that they seem to use more of the naval terminology at the lower ranks. They do use "corporal"; but then Nirali Bhatia is referred to as "serviceman" (a naval reference). They didn't use the term sergeant at all. What you use depends on whether or not you want to try to mesh in with their fictitious Alliance Navy or mirror the USMC. I don't think it's up to anyone but the devs to say whether a certain rank exists within a navy they created; that is, I don't think they were obligated to have it make "real-world" sense. Your story is, of course, your creation, so you're absolutely free to do whatever feels right to you.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 5:27:32 GMT
The lines are blurred between Navy and Marines in ME. It seems as though the Marines are a subset of the Navy. Ranking is therefore inconsistent. Besides, though "chief" applies to seamen, "gunny" applies to marines. It could go either way with her but she's stated to be a marine. Same with Shepard (who has a Naval rank...). Kaidan has a Marine rank. Toombs and Jenkins are both corporals and stated to be marines. Like I said, it might be best to ignore what's in the games and use a system that makes sense. In some cases it could be "filling in the blanks" for ranks that maybe ought to have been present. I agree. They blurred the lines and used elements of both to make their own Alliance. All I was suggesting is that they seem to use more of the naval terminology at the lower ranks. They do use "corporal"; but then Nirali Bhatia is referred to as "serviceman" (a naval reference). They didn't use the term sergeant at all. What you use depends on whether or not you want to try to mesh in with their fictitious Alliance Navy or mirror the USMC. I don't think it's up to anyone but the devs to say whether a certain rank exists within a navy they created; that is, I don't think they were obligated to have it make "real-world" sense. Your story is, of course, your creation, so you're absolutely free to do whatever feels right to you. I posted the Codex for the ranks below. Here's my major issue, and it's one I have with understanding how the military works in general. Does everyone start as Enlisted? If so, do they always become NCOs or can they skip to being Officers? Or can you start as an NCO and become an Officer? For example, did Ash move from SM 3rd Class / Pvt 2nd Class to Gunnery Chief in the span of seven years or did she instead move from Service Chief to Gunnery Chief in that time? In the former, it doesn't seem that unrealistic, though Shepard seems to think Ash was held back based on her rank. If she started as Service Chief (which makes zero sense) and only moved up one rank, then I could see something being wrong. Kaidan became a Staff Lt by nine years or less of service. I don't know if he ever served as an NCO. If so, he obviously rose much faster. If not, his progression is pretty much on point with hers. He has two more years time served and has "one rank" above her. (RL, Gunnery Sgt and Chief Petty Officer are both E7 / OR7.) Or did Kaidan join as an officer, in which case he only went from 2nd Lt to Staff Lt in nine years.
If you can explain to me if everyone move from Enlisted to NCO to Officer or if it works differently, it would make things a lot easier for me. It seems to me like Enlisted can be promoted to NCOs but not likely to become full Officers. Therefore, Ash would have moved from SM 3rd Class / Pvt 2nd Class to Gunnery Chief - the Enlisted path. Kaidan, as an Officer, must have come in as as 2nd Lt. Might not be unrealistic since he had BAaT training which might count as pre-service training. Shepard is a mystery since he almost certainly enlisted. Maybe his entrance into ICT allowed him to make the jump from NCO to Officer. Now, if you pepper in more ranks, Ash actually has a chance to continue to move up in the ranks beyond Operations Chief. Or the Alliance just works really weirdly and allows a person to jump from NCO to Officer for some reason. In which case, the whole NCO idea is pointless since a person could be promoted out of it, as happened with Ash.
Basically, it's this. I want a reasonable rank to have been obtained for these characters in the span of 5-6 years. I made a fictional reason as to why they might have come in as Officers. One is a biotic who joined the Ascension Project as a teen and got on a military track (which could be possible given the wiki says one of the potential goals is "to work with biotics to maximise their potential in the field". The other joined something like the JROTC, but with a little more "oomph" than the RL version so he doesn't have to first go through college and ROTC. So would these guys join as 2nd Lts or as Pvt 2nd Class? I don't know. If I knew the answer I could better decide how to rank them in the story. Maybe they could both be Staff Lts but that seems off to me. Also, because I need someone special, one is an N3 in 2184 where the story begins. (No, he doesn't become anything close to an N7 at any point, but he's an Infiltrator and damn good at it.) I'm less concerned about the naming as I am the condensed ranks that people move through quickly. Example: Kaidan become a Major (equivalent of Captain) in 12 years of service. It took Anderson roughly 20 years to gain that rank. No rhyme or reason but then he moves up two major ranks in the span of three years.
Then we have things like "Flight Lt", "Navigator" (what was Pressly's rank after he became XO?), "Engineer", and "Chief Engineer". What kind of ranks are they and where do they fit into the command structure below? Lots of stuff that doesn't quite fit.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 18, 2019 12:45:18 GMT
The Alliance ranking is lame. As an example look at Samantha. Her title is Specialist yet that title doesn't exist in the ranks. Her title would be the equivalent of a E-4 rank with a title of Specialist/Corporal. Everyone else on the ship is an officer. Even she refers herself as an officer as well as Shepard in ME3. Whatever. It's Bioware's military. Let them do whatever even if it doesn't make sense. In another thread, I said I would hire a military consultant to help with ranking, missions and weapons.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 18, 2019 17:59:48 GMT
As I've researched more, it seems like NCOs are the promotion line from Enlisted. In that case, Ashley was near the top of the line for an NCO. With only one more rank to go, she was hardly being held back.
Kaidan and Shepard would have come in as Officers and so as 2nd Lieutenants. They would also have served longer and not moved as far up the ranks as Ash. Of course, there are inexplicably three extra ranks for Officers than Enlisted/NCOs. Scanning the USMC and USN, there are 9 ranks for Enlisted/NCO, 5 for Warrant Officers (which might be where Traynor fits in because she's a specialist, which is what WOs are) and 10 for Officers.
Actually, in looking at that, I wonder if Traynor, Joker, Adams, Daniels and Donnelly all count as something like Warrant Officers. Pressly might also have fit there until becoming an XO, in which case he would have had to be an Officer. Then again, though Adams was called "Engineer Adams" in ME1 he's a Lieutenant by ME3. That might support the idea that the unlisted "Warrant Officers" can leap to Officers, if we use Adams and Pressly as examples. Might be interesting to throw in the Warrant Officers, though I don't think it will be relevant in my story. Never know when I might write more ME fic that could use it.
I guess I'll have to suck it up and make my guys Staff Lieutenants, the rank Kaidan held in ME1, despite the 4-5 year difference in time served. Story roughly spans 2184-2186. Seems like by ME2, Kaidan had jumped up Staff Commander but must have been on the verge of being promoted since he's Major in ME3. I have to assume Ashley was Staff Lt in ME2 and then Lt Commander in ME3.
As to Shepard's rank, people have pointed out that he was listed as "CMDR" during character creation. Also, XO's are one rank below CO and so would have to be Staff Commander. This makes sense because if something happens to the Captain, the XO can step into the role.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 18, 2019 18:33:29 GMT
(which might be where Traynor fits in because she's a specialist, which is what WOs are) and 10 for Officers. Warrant Officers are addressed as Mr., Sir or Chief depending if they're a CW2 or higher. Chief would not apply to a W1. Traynor could be classified as one, though I would have her as a 2LT. or 1Lt. Adams is a Chief Engineer while Ken and Gabby are both engineers under Adams. They could be classified as Warrant Officers, with Adams being a CW, but I would say K/G are 2LT while Adams is a 1LT. Joker is an officer. His title is Flight Lt . I would guess one would have to be an officer to fly a ship.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 21, 2019 5:41:43 GMT
So, back to my Alliance ranks. During ME3, there are two marines discussing deployment. It's the one where the one woman has a brother than joined Cerberus so she wants to fight Reapers instead. Her CO? "Human Sergeant". Tells me we've got another rank in the mix and maybe I can keep my guys as sergeants.
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 11, 2019 17:29:14 GMT
As far as spaceports go, there might be two more factors to keep in mind: 1. Large ships are not capable of landing on a planet like earth. They are constructed and maintained in space only. The Normandy SR1 is about as big as a passenger airplane today and even the Normandy was already special in its ability to land on a planet because of its unusually powerful ME drive core. 2. Atmospheric entry and exit largely depends on mass alteration through the ship's drive core, rather than huge thrusters or rockets. Therefore practically all shuttle should be VTOL capable and not require a whole lot of space to land or take off (no landing strip or tarmac required.
So I'm not sure how comparable ME universe space ports really are to, say, today's airports. They are probably much more akin to helipads, where small shuttles come and go very frequently to transport passengers and cargo to bigger ships, parked in orbit. (see e.g. the landing pads at all the outposts in Andromeda). Space ports would still be a thing, probably mainly for customs and border security reasons (if that cannot be handled remotely as well) but I could see a much more decentralized infrastructure with landing pads on roofs of many buildings and such working as well.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 12, 2019 3:00:19 GMT
I'm not entirely clear on where the SR-2 was at the beginning of ME3. We know it was a place to which Vega and A/K could run to. Maybe they took a shuttle into the atmosphere but that seems unlikely while the Reapers were invading. It had to be on the ground, or close to it. We also saw the SR-2 land on Earth during the beam run. From the wiki, it seems like the SR-1 could also land. There has to be some kind of spaceport.
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Post by SGT NOOBSTER on Mar 12, 2019 3:22:56 GMT
I'm not entirely clear on where the SR-2 was at the beginning of ME3. We know it was a place to which Vega and A/K could run to. Maybe they took a shuttle into the atmosphere but that seems unlikely while the Reapers were invading. It had to be on the ground, or close to it. We also saw the SR-2 land on Earth during the beam run. From the wiki, it seems like the SR-1 could also land. There has to be some kind of spaceport. We've seen the SR1 land on planets already, Virmire. The SR2 is almost twice the size of the SR1, so that would put it between a frigate and a cruiser, probably. If Vancouver was the HQ for the Defense Council (or whatever they're called) it would make sense that a sizable port would be there as well that could handle transports, smaller frigates, etc. I've just always assumed that the SR2 was at the same base and probably no further than 1/2 a mile or so. Makes the most sense to me give the amount of time between "We're on our way to the Normandy" and the Normandy's arrival/ rescue.
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