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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 25, 2019 2:42:05 GMT
Yes but that kind of immature and petty behavior without actually having a stance on the actualy issue is exactly what makes the turian councilor seem incompetent as a leader and high ranking politician. Can't take the heat get a different job.
That's not really the issue at hand.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 25, 2019 4:19:15 GMT
Can't take the heat get a different job.
That's not really the issue at hand. No, the "issue" is to win the discussion. Politicians make shitty decisions? Deal with it. Don't complain. He's also equated intelligence agencies with terrorists.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 25, 2019 9:15:43 GMT
No, they're not stupid. They've just gotten over the initial shock of the attack and had the time to think things out. They also by this point now have other pressures on them which encourage them to sweep the matter under the rug. Once again, Shepard never had proof of a Reaper armada. I think the Council makes a mistake in not investigating the matter further, but that's laziness, not stupidity. These people are politicians. If they realize that Sovereign couldn't be a geth construct, they go full denial.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 25, 2019 15:14:23 GMT
No, they're not stupid. They've just gotten over the initial shock of the attack and had the time to think things out. They also by this point now have other pressures on them which encourage them to sweep the matter under the rug. Once again, Shepard never had proof of a Reaper armada. I think the Council makes a mistake in not investigating the matter further, but that's laziness, not stupidity. These people are politicians. If they realize that Sovereign couldn't be a geth construct, they go full denial. Also, even pieces of Sovereign are known to cause indoctrination. Or at least that piece from the Leviathan DLC did.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 25, 2019 17:37:57 GMT
If they realize that Sovereign couldn't be a geth construct, they go full denial. Also, even pieces of Sovereign are known to cause indoctrination. Or at least that piece from the Leviathan DLC did. I don't believe it did. If it did, there would have been many people who were doing things out of the ordinary after the reaper was destroyed. Why I say that? Simple. Look at the reaper with the IFF and the reaper the batarians found. Both had their drive cores still intact. The Cerberus team were slowly being indoctrinated and eventually turned into husks. Sovereign was destroyed with pieces falling everywhere.
If the shield Bryson put up to protect from indoctrination, why wouldn't he inform Hackett he found a way to protect people from being indoctrinated?
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Post by AnDromedary on Mar 25, 2019 17:47:33 GMT
I cannot believe that either. That "shielding" in Leviathan is pretty stupid to be honest. If we really had indoctrination shielding, than we'd have a whole slew of problems suddenly solved. However, I was always wondering (or at least it's sort of a bit of a headcanon of mine): Might the Citadel itself - being a reaper construct and all - have a very subtle indoctrination effect on it's inhabitants? I am using this to explain why on over 2500 years really no one investigated this station properly. There are frigging laws, put in place by the council that actually prevent people from researching the Citadel's systems (or the keepers that maintain them). That never made sense to me at all, especially if you settle a couple of million people on a space station, that - if it breaks or has technical failures - doesn't really have a feasible evacuation plan in place (we know from the Terra Nova asteroid incident that evacuating this number of people anywhere is basically impossible unless you call the quarian flotilla or something). Some extremely subtle form of reaper influence would also explain why the council is so determined to dismiss Shepard's claims like they do in ME2 after some time has passed or why they are so hesitant to help out with the crucible project at first (although that is a little more sensible than the rest of these decisions IMO). So that's what I usually go with when the council bothers me too much.  |
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 28, 2019 1:49:24 GMT
That's not really the issue at hand. No, the "issue" is to win the discussion. Politicians make shitty decisions? Deal with it. Don't complain. He's also equated intelligence agencies with terrorists. There is nothing shitty, in terms of the political implications, in the Council being unhappy no matter what you do with the rachni queen. No matter what choice you make her very existence or her slaying, is a problem.
...and yes, intelligence agencies and terrorists are not really substantially different. Welcome to adulthood.
No, they're not stupid. They've just gotten over the initial shock of the attack and had the time to think things out. They also by this point now have other pressures on them which encourage them to sweep the matter under the rug. Once again, Shepard never had proof of a Reaper armada. I think the Council makes a mistake in not investigating the matter further, but that's laziness, not stupidity. These people are politicians. If they realize that Sovereign couldn't be a geth construct, they go full denial. Proving that it is not a geth ship is an important step but it doesn't prove that other Reapers exist and are still dangerous. There are ways to go about getting evidence for that but sadly the plot isn't written that way.
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