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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 16, 2019 20:41:42 GMT
UPDATE (25/08/2023): Added extra notes to highlight employment status with BioWare as of the recent layoffs, and added a section on Mary Kirby. Even those that no longer work at Bioware deserve recognition.
After Andromeda and Anthem's divisive writing style, there are some understandable concerns regarding DA4's own quality and style of writing. So in order to help clear things up (and hopefully alleviate any potential fears), I've decided to write up a little something to shed light on DA4's known writers, as well as a thorough listing of their previous work at BioWare. - Patrick Weekes (Still working at Bioware): The current Lead Writer of the franchise after David Gaider's departure, Patrick's first foray into the Dragon Age franchise was with the tie-in novel, The Masked Empire, delving into Orlesian politics and tying into Inquisition's story quest, "Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts". Within the game itself, they wrote the quest "Here Lies the Abyss", as well as Solas, Cole and Iron Bull as well as the Bull's Chargers. Their first work as Lead Writer of the franchise is the Trespasser DLC. But before Dragon Age, they also worked on the Mass Effect franchise since the first game. While I don't know what they wrote in ME1, I can say they wrote the following characters in ME2/3: Garrus (ME2, with Mac Walters), Kasumi (ME2/3), Tali (ME2/3), Mordin (ME2/3), Jack (ME2/3) and Joker (ME3). As for storylines, they wrote both the Tuchanka and Rannoch storylines, the first of which they did alongside John Dombrow. - Sylvia Feketekuty (Still working at Bioware): Sylvia started working as a writer during Mass Effect 2's Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC, where she wrote Feron, Liara (I assume) and the big man himself. In ME3, she wrote Liara & Glyph, as well as the Ardat-Yakshi monastery mission (and therefore Samara), the two Rannoch side-missions (geth consensus and Koris rescue) and a third of the Citadel's content (location, not DLC) For Dragon Age, she also started with Inquisition, where she wrote Josephine, Champions of the Just and Calpernia/Samson's quests. She also worked on Anthem. - Sheryl Chee (Still working at Bioware): Sheryl is a Dragon Age veteran, having been present since the first game. In terms of characters, she wrote Dog, Leliana (for both DA:O and DA:I), Wynne, Oghren (for Origins and Awakening), Sigrun, Velanna, Isabela (DA2) and Blackwall. In terms of story and quests, she wrote the Magi Origin and the Circle and Haven quests for DA:O, as well as All That Remains in DA2. She also worked in Mass Effect Andromeda, where she wrote Vetra and Suvi, as well as Anthem, writing Matthias.
-Mary Kirby (Laid off): Another Dragon Age veteran since Origins, who contributed much of the setting's lore (including, but not limited to, large sections of the Chant of Light, as well as a considerable amount of Qunari lore). As far as characters go, she is best known for Varric, Merril, Vivienne, Sten and Loghain, while some of her more notable contributions to the story can be seen in Origins' Landsmeet, as well as DA:I's Mage/Templar main quests (In Hushed Whispers and Champions of the Just).
- Brianne Battye (Still working at Bioware): Wrote Cullen in Dragon Age Inquisition; also worked on Anthem. (EDIT: She also worked on ME3's Citadel DLC.) - Courtney Woods (Left Bioware prior to the layoffs): She worked on both the Descent DLC for DA:I, Andromeda (Lexi, Reyes and most of Kadara, at the very least) and Anthem. - Luke Kristjanson (Laid off): Long-time veteran of BioWare in general, since the days of Baldur's Gate (where I can safely say he wrote Minsc and Jaheira). He also worked on Neverwinter Nights, KOTOR (parts of Taris, Manaan and Korriban and the entirety of Tatooine and Kashyyk) and Jade Empire. For Mass Effect, he wrote Kaidan, Grunt, Jacob and Joker (until 3, where he didn't work at all), as well as Feros and Virmire... and he wrote Liam in Andromeda. For Dragon Age, he wrote Leliana's Song and A Paragon of Her Kind (with Jen Hepler) in DAO, Aveline and Carver in DA2, and Sera, In Your Heart Shall Burn and several codex entries in DA:I.
- John Dombrow (Left Bioware prior to the layoffs): Started with Mass Effect 3 where he wrote Garrus, Javik and the Tuchanka storyline, alongside Weekes. He was also credited as one of Andromeda's lead writers, but I don't know exactly what he worked on, and he also did writing for Anthem. Sources: If I have missed anything, be sure to let me know and link me to a source if you have it. Otherwise, enjoy and discuss at will.
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Post by Frost on Mar 16, 2019 22:19:09 GMT
I am looking forward to the story. The writing team looks great.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 16, 2019 22:34:35 GMT
Other points I think may be relevant:
Mary Kirby (the writer for Sten, Varric, Merrill and Vivienne) is currently working on Anthem, as stated on her Twitter bio. She's open to the possibilit of working on DA4, though:
As has been pointed out on this very forum before, Andromeda and Anthem both featured stories with a generally lighter tone, quippy MCU-style dialogue and lackluster villains, which may have been due to Cathleen Rootsaert being Lead Writer for both. Last I heard, she's not working on DA4, so if you're worried in that regard, that's one thing the game's got going for it.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 16, 2019 23:43:21 GMT
Why am i not surprised that the person who wrote Oghren also wrote Isabella?
Other than that though this group looks fairly solid. I mean Courtney Woods did write one of the better parts in a well written game so...
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 16, 2019 23:53:23 GMT
I believe the people that can fuck things up are:
Sheryl Chee: Leliana is cool, although it's a copy of Liara. From the rest, she didn't write one single interesting character, or at least one that isn't a stereotype. Also wrote crappy Andromeda characters. Watch out for her.
Brianne Battye: Wrote the most overrated character in DA, and also worked on Anthem.
Courtney Woods: Worked on DA:I's worst DLC and the shitty characters of Andromeda.
Luke Kristjanson: Long-time veteran, but wrote the worst character ever on a Bioware game (Liam). Also, Jacob and Kaidan, ugh.
The others look really solid.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Mar 16, 2019 23:54:06 GMT
I wasn't worried about the writing in da4, but it's still interesting to see whose doing it and what they've done before.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2019 0:03:29 GMT
I believe the people that can fuck things up are: Sheryl Chee: Leliana is cool, although it's a copy of Liara. From the rest, she didn't write one single interesting character, or at least one that isn't a stereotype. Also wrote crappy Andromeda characters. Watch out for her. Brianne Battye: Wrote the most overrated character in DA, and also worked on Anthem. Courtney Woods: Worked on DA:I's worst DLC and the shitty characters of Andromeda. Luke Kristjanson: Long-time veteran, but wrote the worst character ever on a Bioware game (Liam). Also, Jacob and Kaidan, ugh. The others look really solid.
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Post by wright1978 on Mar 17, 2019 0:07:38 GMT
Sheryl Chee wrote 2 of my favorite dragon age characters in both leliana and isabela so i’m Happy she’s involved.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 17, 2019 0:13:18 GMT
I believe the people that can fuck things up are: Sheryl Chee: Leliana is cool, although it's a copy of Liara. From the rest, she didn't write one single interesting character, or at least one that isn't a stereotype. Also wrote crappy Andromeda characters. Watch out for her. Brianne Battye: Wrote the most overrated character in DA, and also worked on Anthem. Courtney Woods: Worked on DA:I's worst DLC and the shitty characters of Andromeda. Luke Kristjanson: Long-time veteran, but wrote the worst character ever on a Bioware game (Liam). Also, Jacob and Kaidan, ugh. The others look really solid.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 17, 2019 0:18:58 GMT
Sheryl Chee: Leliana is cool, although it's a copy of Liara. From the rest, she didn't write one single interesting character, or at least one that isn't a stereotype. Also wrote crappy Andromeda characters. Watch out for her. She has more than proven herself, IMO. At least as far as Dragon Age is concerned. I agree that Cullen got overrated to the point of ending up in a prominent role in DA:I. As for his writing, I have no opinion, and regarding Anthem, I don't know who or what she wrote in that game, so I don't have a reason to rage. However, if she wrote Rythe ("Sexy Danger") or Dax, then I'll start to have doubts. Although I liked it, I agree that it was the lesser of the 3 DLC, true. She's the one I'm most iffy on. I'd present the argument that he's a better quest writer than a character writer, although I dig Aveline and Carver, and find Jacob and ME1!Kaidan to be average. Not bad, just... average. Overall, we'll agree to disagree on most accounts.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2019 0:20:17 GMT
I see quite a few of my favorite characters among those listed so character-wise at least I’m confident.
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Post by anarchy65 on Mar 17, 2019 0:30:41 GMT
Sheryl Chee: Leliana is cool, although it's a copy of Liara. From the rest, she didn't write one single interesting character, or at least one that isn't a stereotype. Also wrote crappy Andromeda characters. Watch out for her. She has more than proven herself, IMO. At least as far as Dragon Age is concerned. I agree that Cullen got overrated to the point of ending up in a prominent role in DA:I. As for his writing, I have no opinion, and regarding Anthem, I don't know who or what she wrote in that game, so I don't have a reason to rage. However, if she wrote Rythe ("Sexy Danger") or Dax, then I'll start to have doubts. I'd present the argument that he's a better quest writer than a character writer, although I dig Aveline and Carver, and find Jacob and ME1!Kaidan to be average. Not bad, just... average. Don't get me wrong, I actually like some of the characters Sheryl Chee wrote, but most of them are walking stereotypes: Wynne is the old teacher, Isabela is the sexy pirate, Oghren is the drunken dwarf... Sometimes they work, we'll see. Brianne I don't know much about her work either, but I really dislike Cullen, so I may be a little biased against her, but it's only one character, so I give her a pass. Oh yeah, forgot about Aveline and Carver, other painful characters. Also Sera, worst companion in DA:I, ugh. Then I really hope he only write quests. Those parts in KOTOR are actually very good, and A Paragon of Her Kind may be the best of the main quests in DA:O (at least on the recruiting part). And I really hope Mary can join the boat, I love Sten, Varric and Merill
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 17, 2019 0:35:47 GMT
Nice info I really don't know jackshit about Dragon Age writers... who the writers currently are/were, who should I be wary of, who should I welcome, etc; so I'm glad you added explanations as of who's who and who wrote what for previous games. I'd like everyone who worked on Trespasser personally. I rate it as one of the best if not the best DLC they ever done.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 17, 2019 0:42:22 GMT
I'd like everyone who worked on Trespasser personally. I rate it as one of the best if not the best DLC they ever done. Depends on how DA4 goes for me. It could either be an alright DLC or the worst one they ever created.
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Post by yogsothoth on Mar 17, 2019 1:45:23 GMT
All I ask is please don't let Lukas Kristjanson do another "Average Joe" character. His last two attempts were annoying and swung far too wildly between insultingly stupid and weirdly esoteric.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 17, 2019 3:21:28 GMT
Which DLc is the "worst one"? The main game sucks more than its add-ons did.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 17, 2019 5:09:49 GMT
Lol.
"I believe that the people who can fuck things up are all the women and one man."
Hahahahahahaha.
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Post by Blaze on Mar 17, 2019 7:53:07 GMT
kirby also wrote merrill, loghain (i really like him, sue me) and generally most of the lore about the qunari. it will be a shame if she won't be in dragon age 4, but i don't worry, they will do great story regardless. oh also, she's a really funny person in general =D Which DLc is the "worst one"? The main game sucks more than its add-ons did. *blinks* i can't tell if you are serious or not.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 17, 2019 9:07:40 GMT
I think we shouldn't forget the element of peer review. People don't write in a vacuum, particularly as they have to interact with other characters. So the general character concept needs to be run by the rest of the team to make sure they aren't out of place in the lore or will be difficult to integrate into the storyline. (See the interview that DG gave about pitching Dorian's character to the rest of the team).
Everyone has their favourite characters and others they either hate or simply don't find interesting but that is not to say they are not well written, it is just a matter of taste. If you feel that Cullen was overrated, blame that on his fans rather than the writer. He was originally not meant to be more than an advisor but was made a romance as a late addition, presumably responding to fan pressure. I note that his writer for DAI had not worked on him in the previous two games.
I am less worried about their ability to deliver on interesting new characters as I am the plotlines that underpin the whole process. The writers listed have worked on some very interesting storylines in both previous DA games and MET. However, so far as DA is concerned, I was bothered by how previously established lore was changed in DAI and recent novels/comics, without a valid explanation for this. Introducing something as big as the Titans in a DLC and then asking me to believe that no one remembers their existence or has encountered them at all since the time of the Evanuris was rather hard for me to accept. I also found the Grey Warden plot hard to swallow, starting with their whole relationship with the kingdom of Ferelden (that contradicted events in DAA) through to their collective idiocy in trusting Erimond (who apparently had no previous connection with the Wardens) and his master plan, to the fact that given the timescale involved, they could and should have contacted HQ (Leliana was contacting people across the length and breadth of Thedas by raven in the same time period). No matter how well written a story might be, this is something that spoils it for me.
Also, it cannot be denied that Corypheus was a missed opportunity for a really interesting villain but the shallowness of his characterisation becomes more understandable when you find out that DAI only told half the story, plus elements that started to hint at something more interesting were only found on one side of the story. However, apparently the chief villain in the latest two games has been equally disappointing. The motivations of Corypheus' various followers were also not explored in any depth in game.
The writers have given themselves an interesting challenge in DA4. Solas is well known to established players, although his character is still something of an enigma, but will be a total blank to anyone new to the franchise. At least his development going forward is going to be overseen by his writer in DAI but I hope that the focus isn't going to be wholly on him and that there are going to be other well developed antagonists involved. Also keeping the plot development consistent with the lore not just in DAI but right back to DAO.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 17, 2019 10:39:23 GMT
kirby also wrote merrill, loghain (i really like him, sue me) and generally most of the lore about the qunari. it will be a shame if she won't be in dragon age 4, but i don't worry, they will do great story regardless. oh also, she's a really funny person in general =D Which DLc is the "worst one"? The main game sucks more than its add-ons did. *blinks* i can't tell if you are serious or not. I'm aware of the general reputations of the DLCs, but I can't read minds, so I don't know what any given individual means when they say "the worst one". I was being perfectly serious. And as far as I can see, the problems with the DLCs had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with how they were written. At least, my own criticisms are unrelated.
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Post by Blaze on Mar 17, 2019 12:15:46 GMT
*blinks* i can't tell if you are serious or not. I'm aware of the general reputations of the DLCs, but I can't read minds, so I don't know what any given individual means when they say "the worst one". I was being perfectly serious. And as far as I can see, the problems with the DLCs had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with how they were written. At least, my own criticisms are unrelated. cool. but i was referring specifically to your comment about the main game sucking. that's what threw me off.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 17, 2019 13:29:36 GMT
Everyone has their favourite characters and others they either hate or simply don't find interesting but that is not to say they are not well written, it is just a matter of taste. If you feel that Cullen was overrated, blame that on his fans rather than the writer. He was originally not meant to be more than an advisor but was made a romance as a late addition, presumably responding to fan pressure. I note that his writer for DAI had not worked on him in the previous two games. Yeah, Cullen got... quite popular. I can buy the introduction of the Titans such as they are, especially if they are the gigantic fuck-all sentient tectonic plates I think they are. I don't buy ignoring Vigil's Keep and the Fereldan Wardens the way they did in DA:I. It's particularly egregious to me, because DAA introduced several characters (Sigrun, Velanna, the Architect) that I want to see return in some form, and it's feeling like they're getting the short end of the stick. Corypheus was 2014's blueball of the year in terms of villains. But Solas is far more well-established as a future threat than Cory, and Weekes is Lead Writer. They're gonna have to start with re-retconning Qarinus/Ventus. And now that I've mentioned that cursed city, I think that if they want to stick with the latter name so fervently, they better make it so that the name change is more recent (as in, post-Trespasser recent).
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Post by slimgrin727 on Mar 17, 2019 16:10:34 GMT
I didn't realize Weekes had written for ME1. Seems like a mostly solid line up.
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Post by Sah291 on Mar 17, 2019 16:22:07 GMT
It looks like a solid team..some of whom are responsible for writing my favorite story arcs and character arcs (and romances) so far.
I'm also glad to see Courtney Woods on the team. The Kadara arc was a highlight of MEA for me personally. The tone felt like it could have been a side quest out of ME2 or DA2, which I like a lot.
The issue with Corypheus wasn't that he was poorly written, IMO. He was a decently written villain (and his voice acting was also great). The issue was there was too much cut from his story arc, so he comes across underdeveloped. He really needed a few more key scenes, at least.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 17, 2019 16:58:41 GMT
The issue with Corypheus wasn't that he was poorly written, IMO. He was a decently written villain (and his voice acting was also great). The issue was there was too much cut from his story arc, so he comes across underdeveloped. He really needed a few more key scenes, at least. Personally I think he was fine. It wasn't super gret, but personally I don't think it was a poorly written villain. I consider poor what the Archon was in Andromeda, totally underwhelming. I think it didn't help that at the end of the day Corypheous was just another boss fight and it didn't tranlsate well in the gameplay. Inquisition had many issues, but the main arc, in my opinion wasn't a let down. My problem was mainly bad gameplay and side missions. The game could've been so much more if they spent more time on that.
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