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Post by Phantom on May 12, 2019 0:17:02 GMT
for the lolz, an indoctrinated Liara would be interesting.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 12, 2019 0:18:45 GMT
for the lolz, an indoctrinated Liara would be interesting. And when we find out, we kill her right?
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2019 0:19:26 GMT
You did say what would that leave ME3, right? I get you're being ironic, but the point of the conversation was to change ME2, in order to get a better ME3. If we change ME2 to get the same ME3, then there's no point to it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2019 0:20:31 GMT
And when we find out, we kill her right? I've got two words for you Healing Dick
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 12, 2019 0:22:00 GMT
And when we find out, we kill her right? I've got two words for you Healing Dick And I have two as well: Double Tap.
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Post by themikefest on May 12, 2019 0:30:02 GMT
You did say what would that leave ME3, right? I get you're being ironic, but the point of the conversation was to change ME2, in order to get a better ME3. If we change ME2 to get the same ME3, then there's no point to it. For some, they might find ME3 better if the plans were found in the previous game.
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Post by themikefest on May 12, 2019 0:39:37 GMT
for the lolz, an indoctrinated Liara would be interesting. I'm sure you might remember a post I made about that. When she says she found plans that could wipeout the reapers even though she's never been to the archives. She was in there. When studying the plans, she saw that there was something about Thessiia. She contacts the asari councilor. The councilor tells t'soni that information should not be known to anyone else. Just lie about knowing what she saw. The councilor reminds t'soni that it's for the greater good of their species. T'soni understands. So when Shepard shows up, t'soni plays dumb.
The asari councilor contacts t'soni to have her find a way to sabotage the cure for the genophage. Again she uses the doing for the greater good of our species thing. This explains why the asari have no one show up at the summit.
Liara might not be indoctrinated, but it's close enough
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Post by themikefest on May 12, 2019 0:40:46 GMT
for the lolz, an indoctrinated Liara would be interesting. And when we find out, we kill her right? She should have be killed on Thessia instead of flying on Kai Leng Airlines.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 12, 2019 0:42:55 GMT
And when we find out, we kill her right? She should have be killed on Thessia instead of flying on Kai Leng Airlines. If only.... Stupid cyborg ninja wannabe, couldn't he have at least chopped her bloody head off!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2019 0:48:40 GMT
Mass Effect 2 should have been gathering the races together for the Reaper War. Then with ME3 they focus just on the war including building the weapon to stop the Reapers.
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Post by themikefest on May 12, 2019 1:00:19 GMT
She should have be killed on Thessia instead of flying on Kai Leng Airlines. If only.... Stupid cyborg ninja wannabe, couldn't he have at least chopped her bloody head off! The whole scene was crap.
If I was to redo it, I would have the gunship drop off a couple of phantoms just as the fighting starts. The phantoms lure Shepard and squad away from Leng so he can download the information. Just as the phantoms are defeated, the gunship flies away.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 12, 2019 1:02:10 GMT
If only.... Stupid cyborg ninja wannabe, couldn't he have at least chopped her bloody head off! The whole scene was crap.
If I was to redo it, I would have the gunship drop off a couple of phantoms just as the fighting starts. The phantoms lure Shepard and squad away from Leng so he can download the information. Just as the phantoms are defeated, the gunship flies away.
Just as long as Liara dies, I would be happy.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2019 1:09:47 GMT
Mass Effect 2 should have been gathering the races together for the Reaper War. Then with ME3 they focus just on the war including building the weapon to stop the Reapers. You can't focus on the war, because you can't fight the war, because you can't fight the Reapers.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2019 1:38:56 GMT
Mass Effect 2 should have been gathering the races together for the Reaper War. Then with ME3 they focus just on the war including building the weapon to stop the Reapers. You can't focus on the war, because you can't fight the war, because you can't fight the Reapers. Yes you can. Half of ME3 did. So with the other half freed up we would've been able to do things people wanted like see the other homeworlds (see them as fine in ME2, then see them in ruins in ME3).
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2019 1:44:26 GMT
How many Reapers did you fight?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2019 3:05:44 GMT
How many Reapers did you fight? 3. 4 if you count the Hades Cannon one. Then of course all their forces as you do missions.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 12, 2019 8:50:53 GMT
3. 4 if you count the Hades Cannon one. Where, exactly? Then of course all their forces as you do missions. I'm talking actual Reapers. Harbinger, Sovereign, those types.
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Post by Phantom on May 12, 2019 19:36:45 GMT
for the lolz, an indoctrinated Liara would be interesting. And when we find out, we kill her right? I have a scene where Liara found out that she was being indoctrinated or at least used by Harbringer to doom Shepard and his crew to their deaths. She screams as she comes to realize all of her actions not only doom Shepard but the entire galaxy, then she falls to the ground while screaming at Harbringer Controlled Collector Assassin's feet. Many years later, She encounters a Cerberus Phantom and she begs the Cerberus Phantom to kill her and destroy Harbringer.
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Post by garrusfan1 on May 12, 2019 20:20:34 GMT
You can't focus on the war, because you can't fight the war, because you can't fight the Reapers. Yes you can. Half of ME3 did. So with the other half freed up we would've been able to do things people wanted like see the other homeworlds (see them as fine in ME2, then see them in ruins in ME3). Are you guys talking about "if" they remake the game that they should change these things?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 12, 2019 21:55:13 GMT
Yes you can. Half of ME3 did. So with the other half freed up we would've been able to do things people wanted like see the other homeworlds (see them as fine in ME2, then see them in ruins in ME3). Are you guys talking about "if" they remake the game that they should change these things? I was just joining the conversation about what ME2 should’ve been.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 13, 2019 2:48:59 GMT
before BioWare sold out to their fandom You mean the fanservice pandering of stuff like the Citadel DLC? Yes. Citadel DLC is the pinnacle, but under the circumstances (a broken IP) it was acceptable to me and due to my emotional attachment to the cast.
Trying to create new content or future hype based on how much we liked the things we were attached to in ME3 (with 2 games in the back) would be a mistake, though.
In order to earn pandering and fanservice like LotSB or Citadel DLC moments, you need to have the context in the back to make it work. It just seems to me that any time, either N7 day or sporadic tweets from people like Mike Gamble regarding Mass Effect, the only way they try to meet fans in the middle is by pandering like hell. There's amazing moments in the franchise that shouldn't have anything to do with pandering but BioWare has become too McDonalds to recognize it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2019 6:37:01 GMT
You mean the fanservice pandering of stuff like the Citadel DLC? Yes. Citadel DLC is the pinnacle, but under the circumstances (a broken IP) it was acceptable to me and due to my emotional attachment to the cast.
Trying to create new content or future hype based on how much we liked the things we were attached to in ME3 (with 2 games in the back) would be a mistake, though.
In order to earn pandering and fanservice like LotSB or Citadel DLC moments, you need to have the context in the back to make it work. It just seems to me that any time, either N7 day or sporadic tweets from people like Mike Gamble regarding Mass Effect, the only way they try to meet fans in the middle is by pandering like hell. There's amazing moments in the franchise that shouldn't have anything to do with pandering but BioWare has become too McDonalds to recognize it.
On the one hand, I agree with you. Overdoing something is bad. Citadel was overdoing it. On the other hand, you have to offer people a suitable substitute. Some people here like Andromeda, others will sell you that it's even better than any game in the OT. Turns out, it didn't perform well financially, not to EA's expectations, it was panned critically and its developer studio became defunct. Now, to me, this sounds like a failure. Others will still disagree, but I think, by definition, closing down after a game's release does generally point to that studio not making it big, just saying.
So what do you do? More movie night scenes in the next game? More snarky and smartass characters? New characters, yet again? Ones that you will drop off immediately, either way, so there's no point in trying to connect with them. At least, that's not encouraging in any way. And then there's the problem with realizing the potential of these characters and exploring the themes that you alluded to, in the first place. People want a deeper, lasting experience in their games, in their TV shows and in their movies, look at GoT, Lost and the MCU for example. And sure, they all had their goofy moments, some more than others, but there was a consistent quality and characterization, no fourth wall breaking moments, as in Citadel and while only one of them culminated in a satisfying way, unfortunately, look at the following and the love people shared for these things. People still love that about the OT and that's what they still talk about. I don't see people discussing Andromeda in anything other than ridicule.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on May 13, 2019 17:30:35 GMT
As Jason Schreier's BioWare article said "People have warmed up to Mass Effect again" and that I believe is the Andromeda fans who no longer get ridiculed. The game is infamous and has a large portion of dejected fans who say nothing but bad things about it and its bad faces, but personally I'm in the camp that enjoyed the game, overall, more than 3 and as disappointing as the glitches and bad faces were at launch I could also look past it and think of the bigger picture.
I dunno exactly what point you were trying to make in the last comment, but I agree that we want longer-lasting series, like MCU and GoT. Personally I consider MCU trash but at least its continuity and actual stakes in the recent movie seems to be worthy of respect as someone who isn't fond of overly marketed fanservice, but it's all besides the point. Mass Effect shouldn't be dead, and I hope it isn't. Whether we see an Andromeda 2 or Mass Effect "5" I just hope that BioWare can let go of their "Citadel DLC" nature of content creation, until they have created a proper backbone for it. The movie night scene in Andromeda is atrocious because of how forced it all is. Nobody had any conflicts on the tempest besides petty arguments about basic terms of friendship. There's no ideological or motivational differences that create any tension, so the whole game everybody's just bros and then they hang out with a flick in the evening and it's... well, it's deflated. I'm just asking for BioWare to have some balls and stop pandering before they have a good foundation to do it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 13, 2019 17:55:40 GMT
As Jason Schreier's BioWare article said "People have warmed up to Mass Effect again" and that I believe is the Andromeda fans who no longer get ridiculed. Let's leave that at a comfortable "you and I don't frequent the same places". You'd probably want to stay away from those places. But yeah, people should not be picked on for liking what they like. I like "The Room", for example, so who am I to judge. as disappointing as the glitches and bad faces were at launch I could also look past it and think of the bigger picture. That's good for you, but the overall reception for Andromeda was poor, to put it leniently and a lot of people won't be on board for more. Personally I consider MCU trash but at least its continuity and actual stakes in the recent movie seems to be worthy of respect as someone who isn't fond of overly marketed fanservice Regardless of what you, or I, think of the MCU, these movies reached a lot of people and the characters connected with them. They were character driven, most of all and you put two and two together and you see why these movies were successful. Any SP game should strive to achieve that level of connection between their main cast and the fanbase and frankly, outside of this place, I hardly see people talking about the Inquisition, Andromeda or Anthem cast. And usually, when they do, they don't paint a pretty picture for the ones they do talk about. Whether we see an Andromeda 2 or Mass Effect "5" I just hope that BioWare can let go of their "Citadel DLC" nature of content creation, until they have created a proper backbone for it. The movie night scene in Andromeda is atrocious because of how forced it all is Absolutely. You have to make characters that stand on their own, they can interact with each other and that will make them feel more alive, but forcing them in situations, like in the Citadel party, to interact in ways that ... oof, like Zaeed and Garrus, Grunt in the shower, Grunt with the doorbell, Grunt with Wrex and Shepard and drunk Tali talking about Quarian sweat, oof, again. I'm not 7 years old, Bioware. I don't think it's funny or cute. I'm just asking for BioWare to have some balls and stop pandering before they have a good foundation to do it. Pandering a little is okay. You should do it, but do it with a degree of constraint and self-awareness. Don't meme every three or so seconds.
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Post by warden on May 13, 2019 19:54:15 GMT
Liara final boss and tentacles.
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