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Post by SirSourpuss on May 15, 2019 17:53:35 GMT
Yeah he is on the table and he would be a major player within the Black Talon organization. Black Talon organization is a mercenary faction that is known for their extensive cybernetic upgrades and have ties to the Collectors. Personally My Cerberus Phantom Player Character is the type of person would troll the hell out of Dutch for being a Shepard wannabe and would make fun of Dutch because Cerberus Phantom PC will either stale Dutch despite being outgunned and outmanned or chasing Dutch and his crew off in each mission. Also My intention with the Cerberus Phantom PC is to become a major leader that rebuilds and reforms Cerberus after T.I.M. Death and personally lead a Mission into Dark Space to fight the Reapers and make sure they never return. I'd be curious to see how all that plays out. Especially the plan to go out and confront Reapers in Dark Space, part. Also a rebuilt Cerberus. Would they still have a penchant for Jack? Will they want to make an example of Miranda and Jacob for defecting?
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2019 17:56:34 GMT
Yeah he is on the table and he would be a major player within the Black Talon organization. Black Talon organization is a mercenary faction that is known for their extensive cybernetic upgrades and have ties to the Collectors. Personally My Cerberus Phantom Player Character is the type of person would troll the hell out of Dutch for being a Shepard wannabe and would make fun of Dutch because Cerberus Phantom PC will either stale Dutch despite being outgunned and outmanned or chasing Dutch and his crew off in each mission. Also My intention with the Cerberus Phantom PC is to become a major leader that rebuilds and reforms Cerberus after T.I.M. Death and personally lead a Mission into Dark Space to fight the Reapers and make sure they never return. I'd be curious to see how all that plays out. Especially the plan to go out and confront Reapers in Dark Space, part. Also a rebuilt Cerberus. Would they still have a penchant for Jack? Will they want to make an example of Miranda and Jacob for defecting? All I can think of is a daring escape moments before the destruction of the dark space relay. Of course, Arrival would have to be removed from this whole thing so it doesn't feel like a rehash of that, but with all my problems with that DLC, that particular moment was actually kinda cool. I think a meaningful limitation of relays that should've been maintained in the game is the number of ships that can pass through a relay simultaneously, namely just one. The Citadel and its hidden partner relay would be an exception, which permits the reapers to flood through en mass. Maybe Keeper 20 would be the final boss there.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 15, 2019 18:00:43 GMT
All I can think of is a daring escape moments before the destruction of the dark space relay. Oh, that's actually a pretty cool idea. Since the relay exploding would take every single Reaper out. The thought had never even crossed my mind.
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Post by Iakus on May 15, 2019 18:11:02 GMT
I'd be curious to see how all that plays out. Especially the plan to go out and confront Reapers in Dark Space, part. Also a rebuilt Cerberus. Would they still have a penchant for Jack? Will they want to make an example of Miranda and Jacob for defecting? All I can think of is a daring escape moments before the destruction of the dark space relay. Of course, Arrival would have to be removed from this whole thing so it doesn't feel like a rehash of that, but with all my problems with that DLC, that particular moment was actually kinda cool. I think a meaningful limitation of relays that should've been maintained in the game is the number of ships that can pass through a relay simultaneously, namely just one. The Citadel and its hidden partner relay would be an exception, which permits the reapers to flood through en mass. Maybe Keeper 20 would be the final boss there. Or if you want to go galaxy-changing ending, destroy the Citadel and perhaps by extension, the relay network. There the Reapers are no longer a threat, but the galaxy is fundamentally changed and has to adapt to its new circumstances WITHOUT the Reaper tech they've been using as a crutch.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2019 18:28:32 GMT
All I can think of is a daring escape moments before the destruction of the dark space relay. Of course, Arrival would have to be removed from this whole thing so it doesn't feel like a rehash of that, but with all my problems with that DLC, that particular moment was actually kinda cool. I think a meaningful limitation of relays that should've been maintained in the game is the number of ships that can pass through a relay simultaneously, namely just one. The Citadel and its hidden partner relay would be an exception, which permits the reapers to flood through en mass. Maybe Keeper 20 would be the final boss there. Or if you want to go galaxy-changing ending, destroy the Citadel and perhaps by extension, the relay network. There the Reapers are no longer a threat, but the galaxy is fundamentally changed and has to adapt to its new circumstances WITHOUT the Reaper tech they've been using as a crutch. There is also that. I guess I'm just really fond of the idea of actually venturing into dark space to deal with the reaper threat directly. Like, the "Dark Citadel" is essentially a device purpose-built simply as a massive gateway, maintained by their own kind of keeper units, perhaps those that can serve as sentries, since they don't have to put on a benign facade for sake of galactic civilization like their Citadel counterparts. Perhaps this could venture too far into Collector Base 2.0 territory, but I'll take it over Holoboy any day of the millennia.
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Post by Phantom on May 15, 2019 18:57:32 GMT
Yeah he is on the table and he would be a major player within the Black Talon organization. Black Talon organization is a mercenary faction that is known for their extensive cybernetic upgrades and have ties to the Collectors. Personally My Cerberus Phantom Player Character is the type of person would troll the hell out of Dutch for being a Shepard wannabe and would make fun of Dutch because Cerberus Phantom PC will either stale Dutch despite being outgunned and outmanned or chasing Dutch and his crew off in each mission. Also My intention with the Cerberus Phantom PC is to become a major leader that rebuilds and reforms Cerberus after T.I.M. Death and personally lead a Mission into Dark Space to fight the Reapers and make sure they never return. I'd be curious to see how all that plays out. Especially the plan to go out and confront Reapers in Dark Space, part. Also a rebuilt Cerberus. Would they still have a penchant for Jack? Will they want to make an example of Miranda and Jacob for defecting? Well the Cerberus Phantom Player Character due to his position as a Major Leader within Cerberus, he would have complete sidequests in order for them to see that his intentions are good regardless if he is a Renegade or a Paragon. And because Cerberus is rebuilding, he can't afford to hold grudges those that left Cerberus and willing to work with them. Cerberus Phantom Player Character will personally lead the Cerberus Blackguard Cell on the mission and take Missions from Tessa, A brilliant Cerberus Scientist that she focus developing a means to reverse Indoctrination and save the Galaxy. Tessa worked on many Cerberus super soldier projects and personally responsible for the Project: Phoneix. Tessa befriends Shelby, a lady friend of Cerberus Phantom and joins Cerberus Phantom at the same time due to Batarian terrorist attack on Citadel.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2019 19:13:39 GMT
How to get to darkspace? Easy. Fly there. hahaha. I posted however long ago, for that to happen during the trilogy, ME1 would have to change a few things. One would be the council believes the reapers are a threat. They task a bunch of engineers and architects to scan the Citadel to find where the protheans altered the signal. Once found, they're able to decipher it to use to get to darkspace.
Going to darkspace in ME4 would happen the same way. The same as above except the council wants to make sure the reapers are no longer a threat even after they were destroyed.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2019 19:25:23 GMT
How to get to darkspace? Easy. Fly there. hahaha. I posted however long ago, for that to happen during the trilogy, ME1 would have to change a few things. One would be the council believes the reapers are a threat. They task a bunch of engineers and architects to scan the Citadel to find where the protheans altered the signal. Once found, they're able to decipher it to use to get to darkspace. Going to darkspace in ME4 would happen the same way. The same as above except the council wants to make sure the reapers are no longer a threat even after they were destroyed. I do like the idea of the reapers "officially" being dismissed by the Council as to avoid any unnecessary panic from the galaxy at large.
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Post by themikefest on May 15, 2019 19:40:50 GMT
How to get to darkspace? Easy. Fly there. hahaha. I posted however long ago, for that to happen during the trilogy, ME1 would have to change a few things. One would be the council believes the reapers are a threat. They task a bunch of engineers and architects to scan the Citadel to find where the protheans altered the signal. Once found, they're able to decipher it to use to get to darkspace. Going to darkspace in ME4 would happen the same way. The same as above except the council wants to make sure the reapers are no longer a threat even after they were destroyed. I do like the idea of the reapers "officially" being dismissed by the Council as to avoid any unnecessary panic from the galaxy at large. Who says the galaxy would have to know? Only Shepard, the council and a few others would know.
Of course if Shepard heads there in ME4, the galaxy already knows about the reapers.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 15, 2019 20:17:52 GMT
I do like the idea of the reapers "officially" being dismissed by the Council as to avoid any unnecessary panic from the galaxy at large. Who says the galaxy would have to know? Only Shepard, the council and a few others would know.
Of course if Shepard heads there in ME4, the galaxy already knows about the reapers.
This is a reference to Sovereign being referred to as a geth warship in ME2 if you interact with Avina. They don't have to outright tell the public that it *wasn't* a Reaper, but it's useful to simply push the idea that it's the geth, which are far less of an existential threat. It's just the fact that the Council seems to pretty much legitimately deny the existence of the reapers after acknowledging them in ME1 finally is really annoying.
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Post by griffith82 on May 16, 2019 2:34:57 GMT
Thats what should happen IMO too, first. "From the creators of MASS EFFECT: ANDROMEDA and ANTHEM comes MASS EFFECT: ANDROMEDA 2: MY FACE IS TIREDER: MEMED HARDER: SUBTITLE" Now, of course this is a parody exaggeration, but people will think something along those lines. This will be people's perception of it. They will expect memes. Maybe Pewdiepie will make another video about it in the end, who knows? This is not a battle Bioware wants to fight, nor one they should. And if they do, I hope, sincerely, that I won't be back here saying I told you so, the day after, followed by yet another Schreier article. Because on that day, Bioware Edmonton will sure look a lot like Bioware Montreal. You may think this is mean, not giving the devs the benefit of the doubt, predisposed even. But it sure is a hell of a lot better to be served a hard truth today, than a termination of contract tomorrow. Think of the likelihood of all this being a reality.
Only some people not all. Plenty would be fine with it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 11:37:15 GMT
Only some people not all. Plenty would be fine with it. I would argue the opposite. More people will be critical of an Andromeda 2, than would be on board with it, exactly because they were so disappointed by the first one that the mere mention of a repeat of it, will put people off. If the same people that rated it down to a 72% Metacritic average PC review score are just as vocal as they were about Andromeda, it will get buried. I am so fearful of the backlash, I don't know whether EA will actually go along and publish the game, or cancel it mid-development and dissolve the studio.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 13:26:34 GMT
Only some people not all. Plenty would be fine with it. I would argue the opposite. More people will be critical of an Andromeda 2, than would be on board with it, exactly because they were so disappointed by the first one that the mere mention of a repeat of it, will put people off. If the same people that rated it down to a 72% Metacritic average PC review score are just as vocal as they were about Andromeda, it will get buried. I am so fearful of the backlash, I don't know whether EA will actually go along and publish the game, or cancel it mid-development and dissolve the studio. You have no proof of that... you're just speaking out of your own arse because that's the way you feel. The majority of people are silent on the matter. 72% on Metacritic is an average game, not a hated one. You're fearmongering to convince them to do the Trilogy instead of Andromeda. It's a very old political tactic.
You ignore the posts from people who have come and gone who have said they liked ME:A and would like to see the story completed. You arbitrarily place yourself in as part of a majority you have no proof exists. My predicition that the 'backlash' of doing an Andromeda sequel would not be very strong and would vaporize quickly as long as the game is well done is more likely than your 'the sky would fall" claims. There would be, IMO, a far stornger backlash against a Trilogy sequel that did not live up 100% to the expectations of those demanding it for all these years... and their expectations are generally so high and so diverse that it would be an utter miracle if modern-day Bioware produced such a "perfect" game. Instead, Shepard lovers would complain that the sequel Shepard doesn't live up to the old one. Others would complain about the choices not being as meaningful as ME1 or ME2 or ME3 (whichever one they personally feel has the best choices), etc.
... and heaven forbid they make control or synthesis the canon ending. The sky would fall.
The truth is that although Andromeda failed to excite some people as much as ME1 did, it just isn't as hated as the ME3 endings. Most people are rather "meh" about the whole affair... and 'meh" dones not equate to "backlash."
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 14:33:03 GMT
The majority of people are silent on the matter. Have you been on youtube? Did you see the Andromeda reception reaction? The skepticism leading to Anthem's release and the downright roasting it's been receiving since then? Have you been the /r/anthemthegame? How exactly is that silent? Angry Joe, YongYea, Crowbcat, Dunkey, Pewdiepie, Jim Sterling, people with large, established bases have been following these releases and have absolutely roasted the fuck out of Bioware and have been some of their most lucrative videos as of late. Do you think that at the prospect of another Andromeda, they won't outright clickbait again? Do you think these people have no influence on people's stance on video game purchases? Even if you don't listen to any of these, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't and don't be surprised when they do. 72% on Metacritic is an average game, not a hated one. It was Bioware's worst release, worse than Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood, up until Anthem showed them what's what. And you're right, nobody's hating it, at this point. They're loving it for all the wrong reasons. But if you're content with people turning Bioware into the Tommy Wisseau of video games, excuse me if I am not. You ignore the posts from people who have come and gone who have said they liked ME:A and would like to see the story completed. I'm arguing that the people that liked it, aren't enough to sustain Bioware in EA's corporate environment and an Andromeda 2 now, would be a bad move. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't got back to Andromeda, as I've stated many times before, just that doing that NOW is a terrible, near suicidal idea. You arbitrarily place yourself in as part of a majority you have no proof exists. We know that Andromeda sold less than 900k physical copies on release, as it sold less than Anthem did. We also know that it made less than 49% of its sales in Digital, as Anthem, EA's most digitally downloaded title was the first one to reach near parity between physical and digital, so Andromeda sold less on release, compared to ME3, the previous title in the franchise, in a period where gaming has hit the mainstream massively and sales for most game franchises have seen some dramatic growth, where PS4 exclusives, i.e. sold for only a single console and thus a much smaller audience, like Uncharted 4 sold 2.7 million on release and God of War sold 3.1. So yes, There is a much bigger gaming audience than the one that buys Bioware games out there and there used to be a bigger audience that bought Bioware games, compared to the one that exists now, which only goes to show how Bioware has failed, in their more recent releases, to capitulate in the industry's near exponential growth since 2012, leaving Bioware at the bottom of EA's corporate environment. The statistics are there and plain for everyone to see, choosing not to see them, does not make them untrue. My predicition that the 'backlash' of doing an Andromeda sequel would not be very strong and would vaporize quickly as long as the game is well done is more likely than your 'the sky would fall" claims. Even if it turns out good, amidst all the nerve wrecking backlash that I can see coming, people will not be quick to buy it. That close to one million pre-orders and week one sale Bioware would likely get on release, would be relegated to week 2 and 3 purchases, because of the negative press, giving them a much smaller window to make up time for lost sales and at that point, you would be also fighting for consumers' desposable income, as a lot of people would have written that game off and not saved up for it. There would be, IMO, a far stornger backlash against a Trilogy sequel that did not live up 100% to the expectations of those demanding it for all these years... and their expectations are generally so high and so diverse that it would be an utter miracle if modern-day Bioware produced such a "perfect" game. After ME3's ending, I'd doubt people would have any expectation for high standards from Bioware, at this point. People just want something to help them get over the 7 years of pain they've had to go through this far. Instead, Shepard lovers would complain that the sequel Shepard doesn't live up to the old one. Who said anything about Shepard? I've stated many times before, Shepard is neither the problem, nor the solution to Mass Effect. Others would complain about the choices not being as meaningful as ME1 or ME2 or ME3 (whichever one they personally feel has the best choices), etc. But they're already not. ... and heaven forbid they make control or synthesis the canon ending. The sky would fall. None of the endings produced a viable conclusion. Which is a mistake. Having to go to Andromeda to fix that, is a testament to it.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2019 15:43:02 GMT
The majority of people are silent on the matter. Have you been on youtube? Did you see the Andromeda reception reaction? The skepticism leading to Anthem's release and the downright roasting it's been receiving since then? Have you been the /r/anthemthegame? How exactly is that silent? Angry Joe, YongYea, Crowbcat, Dunkey, Pewdiepie, Jim Sterling, people with large, established bases have been following these releases and have absolutely roasted the fuck out of Bioware and have been some of their most lucrative videos as of late. Do you think that at the prospect of another Andromeda, they won't outright clickbait again? Do you think these people have no influence on people's stance on video game purchases? Even if you don't listen to any of these, doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't and don't be surprised when they do. 72% on Metacritic is an average game, not a hated one. It was Bioware's worst release, worse than Sonic and the Dark Brotherhood, up until Anthem showed them what's what. And you're right, nobody's hating it, at this point. They're loving it for all the wrong reasons. But if you're content with people turning Bioware into the Tommy Wisseau of video games, excuse me if I am not. You ignore the posts from people who have come and gone who have said they liked ME:A and would like to see the story completed. I'm arguing that the people that liked it, aren't enough to sustain Bioware in EA's corporate environment and an Andromeda 2 now, would be a bad move. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't got back to Andromeda, as I've stated many times before, just that doing that NOW is a terrible, near suicidal idea. You arbitrarily place yourself in as part of a majority you have no proof exists. We know that Andromeda sold less than 900k physical copies on release, as it sold less than Anthem did. We also know that it made less than 49% of its sales in Digital, as Anthem, EA's most digitally downloaded title was the first one to reach near parity between physical and digital, so Andromeda sold less on release, compared to ME3, the previous title in the franchise, in a period where gaming has hit the mainstream massively and sales for most game franchises have seen some dramatic growth, where PS4 exclusives, i.e. sold for only a single console and thus a much smaller audience, like Uncharted 4 sold 2.7 million on release and God of War sold 3.1. So yes, There is a much bigger gaming audience than the one that buys Bioware games out there and there used to be a bigger audience that bought Bioware games, compared to the one that exists now, which only goes to show how Bioware has failed, in their more recent releases, to capitulate in the industry's near exponential growth since 2012, leaving Bioware at the bottom of EA's corporate environment. The statistics are there and plain for everyone to see, choosing not to see them, does not make them untrue. My predicition that the 'backlash' of doing an Andromeda sequel would not be very strong and would vaporize quickly as long as the game is well done is more likely than your 'the sky would fall" claims. Even if it turns out good, amidst all the nerve wrecking backlash that I can see coming, people will not be quick to buy it. That close to one million pre-orders and week one sale Bioware would likely get on release, would be relegated to week 2 and 3 purchases, because of the negative press, giving them a much smaller window to make up time for lost sales and at that point, you would be also fighting for consumers' desposable income, as a lot of people would have written that game off and not saved up for it. There would be, IMO, a far stornger backlash against a Trilogy sequel that did not live up 100% to the expectations of those demanding it for all these years... and their expectations are generally so high and so diverse that it would be an utter miracle if modern-day Bioware produced such a "perfect" game. After ME3's ending, I'd doubt people would have any expectation for high standards from Bioware, at this point. People just want something to help them get over the 7 years of pain they've had to go through this far. Instead, Shepard lovers would complain that the sequel Shepard doesn't live up to the old one. Who said anything about Shepard? I've stated many times before, Shepard is neither the problem, nor the solution to Mass Effect. Others would complain about the choices not being as meaningful as ME1 or ME2 or ME3 (whichever one they personally feel has the best choices), etc. But they're already not. ... and heaven forbid they make control or synthesis the canon ending. The sky would fall. None of the endings produced a viable conclusion. Which is a mistake. Having to go to Andromeda to fix that, is a testament to it. I saw Youtubers trashing Andromeda long before it even released based on only on their never ending campaign to have ME3 redone to reflect their desired ending in some way. I have seven years of data showing arguments with the same vocal minority that generated all that negative hype, as I said long Andromeda before released... and that has only led me to believe that if Bioware ever does succumb to their pressure and produces a ME3 canon ending sequel that doesn't exactly meet their expectations there would be an enormous backlash. The reality is that the expectations on a continuation of Andromeda are mediocre at best... which makes it far more likely that Bioware could produce a game that would "satisfy" those expectation and far more likely that they could produce a game that would exceed those expectations.
People have been writing their own explicit desires for what they want out of a Trilogy sequel for so long that it is highly unlikely that any game Bioware would write would (ETA correction: s/b wouldn't), in some way, disappoint those people... and they've proven that they are the vocal ones who are most likely to complain bitterly and ad nauseum about it... since they are the ones who have been doing so already for all these years since ME3 released.
They discarded Andromeda long before it released for not being in the Milky Way, for not being a Shepard sequel... not because it was such a terrible game. Bioware released an imperfect game, so then they grabbed onto that and kept trying and retrying to declare Andromeda's release a total disaster... even though it wasn't really. The pros gave it average reviews and, despite being metabombed early on on Metacritic, it sits at 72% approval - within an average rating. There are Youtube videos that have been coming out that are saying the game is worth another look, isn't as bad as we were first led to believe, etc.... but you're ignoring those. There were also people dumping on Anthem before it release... expressing a desire to see it fail because it might cause Bioware to move away from the SP RPG.
You're paying attention to the "side" of Youtube you want to, but ignoring the other side of the coin that is also there... and ignoring the fact that the vast majority of players are silent on the issue entirely.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 16, 2019 15:48:37 GMT
I saw Youtubers trashing Andromeda long before it even released based on only on their never ending campaign to have ME3 redone to reflect their desired ending in some way. I have seven years of data showing arguments with the same vocal minority that generated all that negative hype, as I said long before release... and that has only led me to believe that if Bioware ever does succumb to their pressure and produces a ME3 canon ending sequel that doesn't exactly meet their expectations there would be an enormous backlash. The reality is that the expectations on a continuation of Andromeda are mediocre at best... which makes it far more likely that Bioware could produce a game that would "satisfy" those expectation and far more likely that they could produce a game that would exceed those expectations.
People have been writing their own explicit desires for what they want out of a Trilogy sequel for so long that it is highly unlikely that any game Bioware would write would, in some way, disappoint those people... and they've proven that they are the vocal ones who are most likely to complain bitterly and ad nauseum about it... since they are the ones who have been doing so already for all these years since ME3 released.
Oh my, this is one of the best stuff written about the subject. Also we have these people here too of course ..
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 16:09:24 GMT
I saw Youtubers trashing Andromeda long before it even released based on only on their never ending campaign to have ME3 redone to reflect their desired ending in some way. I have seven years of data showing arguments with the same vocal minority that generated all that negative hype, as I said long before release... and that has only led me to believe that if Bioware ever does succumb to their pressure and produces a ME3 canon ending sequel that doesn't exactly meet their expectations there would be an enormous backlash. The reality is that the expectations on a continuation of Andromeda are mediocre at best... which makes it far more likely that Bioware could produce a game that would "satisfy" those expectation and far more likely that they could produce a game that would exceed those expectations.
People have been writing their own explicit desires for what they want out of a Trilogy sequel for so long that it is highly unlikely that any game Bioware would write would, in some way, disappoint those people... and they've proven that they are the vocal ones who are most likely to complain bitterly and ad nauseum about it... since they are the ones who have been doing so already for all these years since ME3 released.
I understand your point of view, but continuing to ignore these people, has not helped you in any way. Have you sat down to converse with these people at all and hear what their expectations are? I've talked to them. Many, many, many of them and they don't seem so hard to please. In fact, I'd argue it's very easily doable.
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2019 16:18:19 GMT
People have been writing their own explicit desires for what they want out of a Trilogy sequel for so long that it is highly unlikely that any game Bioware would write would, in some way, disappoint those people... and they've proven that they are the vocal ones who are most likely to complain bitterly and ad nauseum about it... since they are the ones who have been doing so already for all these years since ME3 released. Why don't you look in the mirror. You have brought up things that bothered you, most notably moaning and groaning that Shepard can't aim a sniper rifle as an adept. You have mentioned what Bioware could do after the events of ME3. When someone mentions something bad about MEA, you're at the front of the line to defend the game regardless of what the poster says is bad for them. You single out people by calling them disgruntled ME3 ending haters. You even say they're being unreasonable.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 16:23:56 GMT
I saw Youtubers trashing Andromeda long before it even released based on only on their never ending campaign to have ME3 redone to reflect their desired ending in some way. I have seven years of data showing arguments with the same vocal minority that generated all that negative hype, as I said long before release... and that has only led me to believe that if Bioware ever does succumb to their pressure and produces a ME3 canon ending sequel that doesn't exactly meet their expectations there would be an enormous backlash. The reality is that the expectations on a continuation of Andromeda are mediocre at best... which makes it far more likely that Bioware could produce a game that would "satisfy" those expectation and far more likely that they could produce a game that would exceed those expectations.
People have been writing their own explicit desires for what they want out of a Trilogy sequel for so long that it is highly unlikely that any game Bioware would write would, in some way, disappoint those people... and they've proven that they are the vocal ones who are most likely to complain bitterly and ad nauseum about it... since they are the ones who have been doing so already for all these years since ME3 released.
Oh my, this is one of the best stuff written about the subject. Also we have these people here too of course .. You honestly believe that an Andromeda 2 will solve people's problems with Mass Effect, or make them forget, when seven years and the Andromeda we already got failed? I don't think you've been paying attention to people's reception of these games.
As for people that have written their own desires, well, that's just an outlet for their frustration. You are arguing that there cannot possibly be a satisfying solution to a problem that ME3 has, meaning that ME3 is fundamentally flawed and people have every right to be upset. So I don't see how these two can co-exist. Or is Mass Effect the only franchise people had any expectations of? Don't you think people had expectations of Endgame too? How did the MCU pull it off without hitch? People can and will be satisfied, if you give them something to work with.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 16, 2019 16:47:45 GMT
Oh my, this is one of the best stuff written about the subject. Also we have these people here too of course .. You honestly believe that an Andromeda 2 will solve people's problems with Mass Effect, or make them forget, when seven years and the Andromeda we already got failed? I don't think you've been paying attention to people's reception of these games.
As for people that have written their own desires, well, that's just an outlet for their frustration. You are arguing that there cannot possibly be a satisfying solution to a problem that ME3 has, meaning that ME3 is fundamentally flawed and people have every right to be upset. So I don't see how these two can co-exist. Or is Mass Effect the only franchise people had any expectations of? Don't you think people had expectations of Endgame too? How did the MCU pull it off without hitch? People can and will be satisfied, if you give them something to work with.
Of course not... wth? Another not 0 or 1. For other questions: too much data, unable to compute inside reserved data window of 7 years.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 16:50:43 GMT
Of course not... wth? Another not 0 or 1. For other questions: too much data, unable to compute inside reserved data window of 7 years. So what do you propose?
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Post by wright1978 on May 16, 2019 16:59:29 GMT
I would argue the opposite. More people will be critical of an Andromeda 2, than would be on board with it, exactly because they were so disappointed by the first one that the mere mention of a repeat of it, will put people off. If the same people that rated it down to a 72% Metacritic average PC review score are just as vocal as they were about Andromeda, it will get buried. I am so fearful of the backlash, I don't know whether EA will actually go along and publish the game, or cancel it mid-development and dissolve the studio. You have no proof of that... you're just speaking out of your own arse because that's the way you feel. The majority of people are silent on the matter. 72% on Metacritic is an average game, not a hated one. You're fearmongering to convince them to do the Trilogy instead of Andromeda. It's a very old political tactic.
You ignore the posts from people who have come and gone who have said they liked ME:A and would like to see the story completed. You arbitrarily place yourself in as part of a majority you have no proof exists. My predicition that the 'backlash' of doing an Andromeda sequel would not be very strong and would vaporize quickly as long as the game is well done is more likely than your 'the sky would fall" claims. There would be, IMO, a far stornger backlash against a Trilogy sequel that did not live up 100% to the expectations of those demanding it for all these years... and their expectations are generally so high and so diverse that it would be an utter miracle if modern-day Bioware produced such a "perfect" game. Instead, Shepard lovers would complain that the sequel Shepard doesn't live up to the old one. Others would complain about the choices not being as meaningful as ME1 or ME2 or ME3 (whichever one they personally feel has the best choices), etc.
... and heaven forbid they make control or synthesis the canon ending. The sky would fall.
The truth is that although Andromeda failed to excite some people as much as ME1 did, it just isn't as hated as the ME3 endings. Most people are rather "meh" about the whole affair... and 'meh" dones not equate to "backlash."
Yeah personally think the backlash from going back on their word regarding trashing player choice to do a trilogy sequel would be extreme. on the other hand a sequel would only require well delivered marketing. People wouldn’t be gnashing their teeth over the lack of Ryder etc.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 17:04:49 GMT
Yeah personally think the backlash from going back on their word regarding trashing player choice to do a trilogy sequel would be extreme. Is that why people are asking so vocally for a return to it? on the other hand a sequel would only require well delivered marketing After the fabricated E3 trailer for Anthem, I think you will find people to be far more apprehensive of Bioware promotional material. A good trailer may not be enough, anymore.
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Post by wright1978 on May 16, 2019 18:15:54 GMT
Yeah personally think the backlash from going back on their word regarding trashing player choice to do a trilogy sequel would be extreme. Is that why people are asking so vocally for a return to it? on the other hand a sequel would only require well delivered marketing After the fabricated E3 trailer for Anthem, I think you will find people to be far more apprehensive of Bioware promotional material. A good trailer may not be enough, anymore. Well people still ask for the return of the warden, that doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be blue murder about that’s not my warden if they were silly enough to listen There’s going to be apprehension for any bioware game at this stage. Only way past that is good marketing coupled with a good actual game delivering positive word of mouth.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 16, 2019 18:27:24 GMT
Well people still ask for the return of the warden, that doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be blue murder about that’s not my warden if they were silly enough to listen I can't comment on Dragon Age. I don't see Dragon Age making "top 10 worst endings" lists. And again, Shepard is neither the problem, neither the solution to Mass Effect. There’s going to be apprehension for any bioware game at this stage. Yes, but the extent varies depending on what you announce. Only way past that is good marketing Oof ... I don't believe marketing is going to sell anyone a Bioware game this time. Or, at least, not enough. A lot less people are going to fall for it, after the Anthem E3 trailer fiasco. coupled with a good actual game delivering positive word of mouth. Yes, but it's going to lose a lot of pre-orders and week 1 purchases, that drive most of a game's sales and then it will have to compete for people's disposable income allocation, which may not be reserved for a Bioware game, exactly because they will be warned against it by the youtubers. By the time sales eventually pick up, it may be too little too late.
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