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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 10:42:58 GMT
Regarding tone, how about the same tone as DA:I? Perfect little moments of grim-dark with slightly more moments of light-heart and with long stretches of neutral? It helps that 80% of the critical characters and squadmates are middle aged adults who know when to stop and get serious. I’m fine with a light tone. I just want the tone the characters put forth to fit the story. I don’t think MEA did that. The story is almost as grim as ME3 but it’s constant quips and dumb auto dialogue like I shot him in the face. Even if you pick the more serious dialogue options auto dialogue and the other characters created a conflict between the story and the characters tone. I disagree with the notion that the story is "almost as grim as ME3." In ME3, the galaxy is under massive attack. Cities are being utterly reduced to rubble in minutes and people are dying in the hundreds of thousands with singular laser blasts from the reapers. Since the MW species are basically powerless to stop or even significantly slow the Reaper advance, every minute Shepard delays in acquiring what the Alliance needs to finish the Crucible immediately costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
In ME:A, there is no such threat. Supplies are running low on Nexus but not yet reduced to nothing. The moment Hyperion arrives, the supplies available to Nexus are extended (and there would be supplies on Hyperion since the original plan was to establish the colony on Habitat 7 before joining with Nexus). Sure, they extend the life of those supplies by leaving people in cryo, but those people in cryo are not in immediate danger of being killed. Once a colony is established on Eos, that pressure comes off even more since that colony becomes a "defensible producer" regardless of whether Ryder installs a military base or a scientific one. The Kett/Angara war has been going on for a few decades with the Angara holding their own against the kett. The scale of the threat is not near as great as that in ME3.
I think the lighter tone does fit the story that is there. It doesn't fit the story that the fans wanted to be there... something as epic as ME3. If anything, the issue with ME:A's story is that the sense of urgency is falsely imposed. For 100,000 people, one settlement is enough. They don't need to find an entire separate planet for each species.
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Post by AnDromedary on Jan 24, 2020 17:53:18 GMT
I’m fine with a light tone. I just want the tone the characters put forth to fit the story. I don’t think MEA did that. The story is almost as grim as ME3 but it’s constant quips and dumb auto dialogue like I shot him in the face. Even if you pick the more serious dialogue options auto dialogue and the other characters created a conflict between the story and the characters tone. I disagree with the notion that the story is "almost as grim as ME3." In ME3, the galaxy is under massive attack. Cities are being utterly reduced to rubble in minutes and people are dying in the hundreds of thousands with singular laser blasts from the reapers. Since the MW species are basically powerless to stop or even significantly slow the Reaper advance, every minute Shepard delays in acquiring what the Alliance needs to finish the Crucible immediately costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
In ME:A, there is no such threat. Supplies are running low on Nexus but not yet reduced to nothing. The moment Hyperion arrives, the supplies available to Nexus are extended (and there would be supplies on Hyperion since the original plan was to establish the colony on Habitat 7 before joining with Nexus. Sure, they extend the life of those supplies by leaving people in cryo, but those people in cryo are not in immediate danger of being killing. Once a colony is established on Eos, that pressure comes off even more since that colony becomes a "defensible producer" regardless of whether Ryder installs a military base or a scientific one. The Kett/Angara war has been going on for a few decades with the Angara holding their own against the kett. The scale of the threat is not near as great as that in ME3.
I think the lighter tone does fit the story that is there. It doesn't fit the story that the fans wanted to be there... something as epic as ME3. If anything, the issue with ME:A's story is that the sense of urgency is falsely imposed. For a 100,000 people, one settlement is enough. They don't need to find an entire separate planet for each species.
I'd agree with this mostly, with the caveat that sometimes, ME:A doesn't quite seem to be sure about where it wants its own tone to be. There are instances in the game where it emphasizes the whole positive exploration attitude and then there are other dialogue lines (and often not far apart from each other) when everyone is super stressed out and they seem to think we are all going to die.
I guess it makes sense to have people of different personalities judging the situation differently but sometimes it's even the same person switching between these moods rather rapidly and even if not, it also often gives the impression that some of those colonists that got woken up (and who are supposed to be the most highly qualified essential personal) seem to be hooribly under-informed about what they are actually doing.
So there is that. But over all, yes, I'd agree that the lighter tone fit the game just fine.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 24, 2020 18:37:51 GMT
I’m fine with a light tone. I just want the tone the characters put forth to fit the story. I don’t think MEA did that. The story is almost as grim as ME3 but it’s constant quips and dumb auto dialogue like I shot him in the face. Even if you pick the more serious dialogue options auto dialogue and the other characters created a conflict between the story and the characters tone. I disagree with the notion that the story is "almost as grim as ME3." In ME3, the galaxy is under massive attack. Cities are being utterly reduced to rubble in minutes and people are dying in the hundreds of thousands with singular laser blasts from the reapers. Since the MW species are basically powerless to stop or even significantly slow the Reaper advance, every minute Shepard delays in acquiring what the Alliance needs to finish the Crucible immediately costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
In ME:A, there is no such threat. Supplies are running low on Nexus but not yet reduced to nothing. The moment Hyperion arrives, the supplies available to Nexus are extended (and there would be supplies on Hyperion since the original plan was to establish the colony on Habitat 7 before joining with Nexus. Sure, they extend the life of those supplies by leaving people in cryo, but those people in cryo are not in immediate danger of being killing. Once a colony is established on Eos, that pressure comes off even more since that colony becomes a "defensible producer" regardless of whether Ryder installs a military base or a scientific one. The Kett/Angara war has been going on for a few decades with the Angara holding their own against the kett. The scale of the threat is not near as great as that in ME3.
I think the lighter tone does fit the story that is there. It doesn't fit the story that the fans wanted to be there... something as epic as ME3. If anything, the issue with ME:A's story is that the sense of urgency is falsely imposed. For a 100,000 people, one settlement is enough. They don't need to find an entire separate planet for each species.
Yea hbecauise even the turian swere strugglin gto keep the Reapres under conrtol and the yhave the strongest military in the MW. It's why they asked you to help persuade the krogan because while the krogan don't have warships they make excellent ground pounders IE boots on the ground which was what the turians needed more help with. MEA's scenario is different yes there is a war going on between the Angara and Kett but it's not a galaxy wide war like the Reaper one is
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I disagree with the notion that the story is "almost as grim as ME3." In ME3, the galaxy is under massive attack. Cities are being utterly reduced to rubble in minutes and people are dying in the hundreds of thousands with singular laser blasts from the reapers. Since the MW species are basically powerless to stop or even significantly slow the Reaper advance, every minute Shepard delays in acquiring what the Alliance needs to finish the Crucible immediately costs hundreds of thousands of lives.
In ME:A, there is no such threat. Supplies are running low on Nexus but not yet reduced to nothing. The moment Hyperion arrives, the supplies available to Nexus are extended (and there would be supplies on Hyperion since the original plan was to establish the colony on Habitat 7 before joining with Nexus. Sure, they extend the life of those supplies by leaving people in cryo, but those people in cryo are not in immediate danger of being killing. Once a colony is established on Eos, that pressure comes off even more since that colony becomes a "defensible producer" regardless of whether Ryder installs a military base or a scientific one. The Kett/Angara war has been going on for a few decades with the Angara holding their own against the kett. The scale of the threat is not near as great as that in ME3.
I think the lighter tone does fit the story that is there. It doesn't fit the story that the fans wanted to be there... something as epic as ME3. If anything, the issue with ME:A's story is that the sense of urgency is falsely imposed. For a 100,000 people, one settlement is enough. They don't need to find an entire separate planet for each species.
I'd agree with this mostly, with the caveat that sometimes, ME:A doesn't quite seem to be sure about where it wants its own tone to be. There are instances in the game where it emphasizes the whole positive exploration attitude and then there are other dialogue lines (and often not far apart from each other) when everyone is super stressed out and they seem to think we are all going to die.
I guess it makes sense to have people of different personalities judging the situation differently but sometimes it's even the same person switching between these moods rather rapidly and even if not, it also often gives the impression that some of those colonists that got woken up (and who are supposed to be the most highly qualified essential personal) seem to be hooribly under-informed about what they are actually doing.
So there is that. But over all, yes, I'd agree that the lighter tone fit the game just fine.
I've never said the writing was Pullitzer material. In fact, I've often said that it isn't. So, there's that.
Also though, I think you've touched on something that Bioware may have wished to portray... The accounts of immigration to North America are full of cases where companies who were having difficulty attracting potential settlers lied to those settlers completely and did take in people who were not really prepared or qualified to be the "farmers" that were needed to form a successful colony. I know of one IRL case where settlers from Scotland were taken to Venezuela and did not have seeds for plants that would grow in that climate. The colony failed within two years and, were it not for the generosity of a Canadian entrepreneur, the settlers all would have died there. As it was, they were brought to Canada by an entrepreneur of the Canada Company and sustained by him (because he withheld payments he owned to the British Crown in order to be able to feed them). Some of the those settlers were well educated (as their statements on file show) and those settlers eventually helped to establish the community of Guelph, Ontario.
There is one bit of Nomad banter where Vetra alludes to many of the AI buying into the sales pitch they were given. Also, individuals like Tann were not ever expecting to be fulfilling their roles, since so many on the Nexus were killed when they hit the scourge. The game also touches on the possibility of their being side effects from being in cryo.
Again, I'm not saying this was portrayed perfectly... or even exceptionally well in the game. For one thing, I would have liked to see them more fully develop the notion of cryo having side effects on memory and cognition. Honestly, though, it doesn't bother me greatly since I fully expected many of the AI settlers to come across as "fish out of water." - not experts, but just ordinary people trying to adapt and include people who had misrepresented their qualifications to the AI as well.
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 25, 2020 15:21:49 GMT
Hey I love MEA and IMHO it is everything the MET should've been. So if they give more of the sense of fun and excitement that MEA1 has and a LOT less of the grimdark space war drama of MET because I'm sick of grimdark space war drama. I can watch shows like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Torchwood, and The Expanse for that fix. Nothing wrong with it but I've had my fill and want some HOPE instead of despair look there is FAR enough despair in the real world and frankly I want to get far away from this dying rock we're stuck on but since I can't in real life I'll have to make do with fiction so pardon me if blasting giant robot squids and their allies is old news. As Peebee said "Been there. Done that." Now I want some new, fun, excitement, and most importantly HOPEFUL like all of the various Star Trek shows (and maybe to lesser extent all of the Star Wars movies). I'm sick of seeing characters wasting time wondering how they're going to defeat the stupid looking robot squid army from dark space. That is why I want too see more of Andromeda with Ryder and company because I'm sick and tied of being fed a diet of despair in my media I need some fucking HOPE every once and a while and also I'm sick and tied of hearing characters argue about what goes with giant robotic calamari for dinner. Not everyone enjoyed Andromeda. In fact, it got even more backlash than praise from gamers because how horrible it is. |
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Post by cloud9 on Jan 25, 2020 15:22:39 GMT
If ME3 took itself too seriously, MEA didn't take itself seriously enough. It felt like the Citadel DLC from ME3 but stretched out into an entire game and written like bad fanfic. A bit of lightheartedness silliness in an overall dark story was refreshing in ME3 and provided a goodbye for characters we'd come to love over a period of time. A game full of this with a story where the crew is meant to be in a pretty desperate situation detracted from the experience. On topic: It worries me that Mike and Mac might really be at the helm of the next ME game. I can only hope they've learned from past screw ups. Hope for the best but expect the worst I guess. You're preaching to the choir. |
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Post by Iakus on Jan 25, 2020 17:12:57 GMT
Hey I love MEA and IMHO it is everything the MET should've been. So if they give more of the sense of fun and excitement that MEA1 has and a LOT less of the grimdark space war drama of MET because I'm sick of grimdark space war drama. I can watch shows like Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica, Caprica, Torchwood, and The Expanse for that fix. Nothing wrong with it but I've had my fill and want some HOPE instead of despair look there is FAR enough despair in the real world and frankly I want to get far away from this dying rock we're stuck on but since I can't in real life I'll have to make do with fiction so pardon me if blasting giant robot squids and their allies is old news. As Peebee said "Been there. Done that." Now I want some new, fun, excitement, and most importantly HOPEFUL like all of the various Star Trek shows (and maybe to lesser extent all of the Star Wars movies). I'm sick of seeing characters wasting time wondering how they're going to defeat the stupid looking robot squid army from dark space. That is why I want too see more of Andromeda with Ryder and company because I'm sick and tied of being fed a diet of despair in my media I need some fucking HOPE every once and a while and also I'm sick and tied of hearing characters argue about what goes with giant robotic calamari for dinner. Not everyone enjoyed Andromeda. In fact, it got even more backlash than praise from gamers because how horrible it is. For myself, I didn't think it was horrible. It wasn't aesthetically offensive, like ME3 was. I just found it nonsensical. And worse, BORING.
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Post by traks on Jan 25, 2020 18:05:38 GMT
If ME3 took itself too seriously, MEA didn't take itself seriously enough. It felt like the Citadel DLC from ME3 but stretched out into an entire game and written like bad fanfic. A bit of lightheartedness silliness in an overall dark story was refreshing in ME3 and provided a goodbye for characters we'd come to love over a period of time. A game full of this with a story where the crew is meant to be in a pretty desperate situation detracted from the experience. On topic: It worries me that Mike and Mac might really be at the helm of the next ME game. I can only hope they've learned from past screw ups. Hope for the best but expect the worst I guess. Agreed with your first paragraph. Not worried about your second: it's good that many of the main guys that made Mass Effect 1 - Hudson, Walters, Watamaniak, Watts, Falkner etc. - are still at BioWare. It's their story/IP after all.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 30, 2020 12:42:44 GMT
For the record, I think the Hitler lover comment and other comparisons were stupid and uncalled for. It was only his point about Andromeda being a failure I agree with. The thing is there is absolutely no proof it was a failure everything is pure speculation on part of the internet and in some cases it feels like people are looking for evidence to support their claims instead of making claims based on evidence they see. There are a couple of things we know for sure about Andromeda, BioWare projected only five million in sales and a department at EA projected six million and there could have been others as well that weren't disclosed. It was said publicly that it cost approximately $100 million in Canadian funds to make the game and that there was a movement of $50 million dollars (my understanding is that this is in US funds since EA is an American company) in premium copy sales to another quarter to comply with how they declare income. We also know that BioWare Montreal closed a few months after release, but beyond that there is no evidence of anything unless you can point me to it. I can still find groups in multiplayer Andromeda on the PC then any of the looter shooter games out there, now the reason why I say that evidence is about as strong as people pointing and claiming Andromeda sales alone are why BioWare Montreal closed. I think it also depensd on what people consider a failuer because for m eI don't as it delivered on everything I expected from it. Th ecombat was fun I liked the lighter tone of story and the graphics in general outside of the dodgy facial animations felt like a good upgrade as well. The cutscenes for me felt very cinematic for the most part. Sales wise it may or may not have hit the mark that's debateble but only EA and Bioware know how much they actually sold. Either way I know I've enjoyed my experiences with the game and that's what matters most to me with regards MEA now. I've clocked up nearly 20 playthroughs and I can see myself doing many more yet as I do have a couple of Ryders I want to play in mind for when I next pick the game up. I'm just busy playing other games atm.
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 30, 2020 13:19:57 GMT
The thing is there is absolutely no proof it was a failure everything is pure speculation on part of the internet and in some cases it feels like people are looking for evidence to support their claims instead of making claims based on evidence they see. There are a couple of things we know for sure about Andromeda, BioWare projected only five million in sales and a department at EA projected six million and there could have been others as well that weren't disclosed. It was said publicly that it cost approximately $100 million in Canadian funds to make the game and that there was a movement of $50 million dollars (my understanding is that this is in US funds since EA is an American company) in premium copy sales to another quarter to comply with how they declare income. We also know that BioWare Montreal closed a few months after release, but beyond that there is no evidence of anything unless you can point me to it. I can still find groups in multiplayer Andromeda on the PC then any of the looter shooter games out there, now the reason why I say that evidence is about as strong as people pointing and claiming Andromeda sales alone are why BioWare Montreal closed. I think it also depensd on what p[eople consider a failuer because for m eI don't as i tdelivered on everything I expected from it. Th ecombat was fun I liked th elight rtone of story and th egraphics in general outside o fthe dodgy facial animations felt like a good upgrade as well. Th ecutscenes for me felt very cinematic for the most part. Sales wise i tmay or may not have hit the mark that's debateble but only EA and Bioware know how much the yactually sold. Either way I know I've enjoyed my experiences with the game and that's what matters most to me with regards MEA now. I've clocked up nearl y20 playthroughs and I can see myself doing many moer yte as I d ohave a couple of Ryders I wantto pla yin mind for when I next pick the game up. I'm just busy playing other games atm. I have no problem if a person doesn't like a game for whatever reason and it was a failure for them. What I arguing against is when a person wants to try and make it as a failure either for EA/BioWare or everyone that played the game. If someone doesn't like the game there is nothing wrong with that, but don't make it sound like that I didn't like the game or that EA didn't see its goals for the game met based on evidence that could be interpreted other ways.
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I think it also depensd on what p[eople consider a failuer because for m eI don't as i tdelivered on everything I expected from it. Th ecombat was fun I liked th elight rtone of story and th egraphics in general outside o fthe dodgy facial animations felt like a good upgrade as well. Th ecutscenes for me felt very cinematic for the most part. Sales wise i tmay or may not have hit the mark that's debateble but only EA and Bioware know how much the yactually sold. Either way I know I've enjoyed my experiences with the game and that's what matters most to me with regards MEA now. I've clocked up nearl y20 playthroughs and I can see myself doing many moer yte as I d ohave a couple of Ryders I wantto pla yin mind for when I next pick the game up. I'm just busy playing other games atm. I have no problem if a person doesn't like a game for whatever reason and it was a failure for them. What I arguing against is when a person wants to try and make it as a failure either for EA/BioWare or everyone that played the game. If someone doesn't like the game there is nothing wrong with that, but don't make it sound like that I didn't like the game or that EA didn't see its goals for the game met based on evidence that could be interpreted other ways. Indeed I know a few people even on other forums that liked MEA not just on here so I know I'm not the only person who enjoyed it. TBH the only box it didn't tick was the DLC one as I was kind of dissapointed it didn' tget any but other than that it delivered on what I wanted. I definitely felt though it could have used a DLC or 2 to tie up one or 2 of the story threads. But I've always considered DLC's as extra's anyway not mandatory.. But I'm not and I never would let that detract me from enjoying what I did get from MEA because for me the positives still outweighed the negatives.
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I have no problem if a person doesn't like a game for whatever reason and it was a failure for them. What I arguing against is when a person wants to try and make it as a failure either for EA/BioWare or everyone that played the game. If someone doesn't like the game there is nothing wrong with that, but don't make it sound like that I didn't like the game or that EA didn't see its goals for the game met based on evidence that could be interpreted other ways. Indeed I know a few people even on other forums that liked MEA not just on here so I know I'm not the only person who enjoyed it. TBH the only box it didn't tick was the DLC one as I was kind of dissapointed it didn' tget any but other than that it delivered on what I wanted. I definitely felt though it could have used a DLC or 2 to tie up one or 2 of the story threads. But I've always considered DLC's as extra's anyway not mandatory.. But I'm not and I never would let that detract me from enjoying what I did get from MEA because for me the positives still outweighed the negatives. Its a recurring thing @ old.reddit.com/r/MassEffectAndromeda/ - "Why was this game hated, its awesome!" and so on threads pop up all the time.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 30, 2020 14:01:51 GMT
Indeed I know a few people even on other forums that liked MEA not just on here so I know I'm not the only person who enjoyed it. TBH the only box it didn't tick was the DLC one as I was kind of dissapointed it didn' tget any but other than that it delivered on what I wanted. I definitely felt though it could have used a DLC or 2 to tie up one or 2 of the story threads. But I've always considered DLC's as extra's anyway not mandatory.. But I'm not and I never would let that detract me from enjoying what I did get from MEA because for me the positives still outweighed the negatives. Its a recurring thing @ old.reddit.com/r/MassEffectAndromeda/ - "Why was this game hated, its awesome!" and so on threads pop up all the time. Yeah I've noticed that too even on various youtube vids of the game as well.
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Post by tatann on Jan 30, 2020 15:08:05 GMT
Are these people discovering MEA old school MET fans ?
Of course they could say this game is good if they like open world action games (Assassin's Creed, etc) with not so much emphasis on story/characters (at least not as much as old Bioware games) and be pleasantly surprised.
They even might prefer it to the MET (better graphics and combat gameplay), it's not the exact same audience.
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I think it also depensd on what people consider a failuer because for m eI don't as it delivered on everything I expected from it. I can't say the same. The trilogy offered the player the choice to recruit/not recruit squadmates. That was removed in MEA. The trilogy had the power wheel. That was removed in MEA. It seems like MEA took a step backwards by not having those in the game. Hopefully both return in the next ME game
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Post by Polka Dot on Jan 30, 2020 15:28:17 GMT
Yeah, the hate train started before the game was even in early release. There were some really ugly youtubes released, and widely promoted as if there was a concerted effort to wreck the game's image before it even got off the ground.
I remember one individual in particular who was on the forums here all day, every day, promoting the ugliest of the vids and carping endlessly about everything. Dude was obviously not only trying to keep anyone else from buying the game, he was also being the turd in the punchbowl for those of us who were enjoying it and wanted to discuss it with other players. It took quite awhile for him to finally get over it and leave.
I'm never quite sure whether people who behave that way are just looking to profit from clicks, supremely entitled basement dwellers who simply lack the adult coping skills to deal with content providers delivering anything incongruent with their fantasies, or some concerted effort to harm EA/BioWare - possibly some combination of all of those things. In any case they were apparently semi-successful, as there are undoubtedly a lot more people who could have enjoyed the game but will likely never buy/play it because of the hate campaign.
That's not to say it didn't/doesn't have issues. Some of the most egregious were actually software management problems with some shaders being omitted from an early release. Other issues were patched pretty quickly. Like most entertainment products, it has some flaws, but I've yet to encounter a game that doesn't.
In any case, I hope they'll have a chance to build on the foundation laid out for MEA.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 30, 2020 15:34:55 GMT
I think it also depensd on what people consider a failuer because for m eI don't as it delivered on everything I expected from it. I can't say the same. The trilogy offered the player the choice to recruit/not recruit squadmates. That was removed in MEA. The trilogy had the power wheel. That was removed in MEA. It seems like MEA took a step backwards by not having those in the game. Hopefully both return in the next ME game Depends on the type of style you want some people prefer a more actoin style some perfer a more tactical one. Personally I liked both approaches MEA decided to go with a more action focus style.I Whilst I agree I preferred the moer tactical approach the ME trilogy took to combat the fact they didn't overcomplicate it at least for me meant I cfould still enjoy what they were trying to achieve. I think MEA did show one thing though in that either style can work with Mass Effect
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Post by Polka Dot on Jan 30, 2020 15:43:35 GMT
Are these people discovering MEA old school MET fans ? Of course they could say this game is good if they like open world action games (Assassin's Creed, etc) with not so much emphasis on story/characters (at least not as much as old Bioware games) and be pleasantly surprised. They even might prefer it to the MET (better graphics and combat gameplay), it's not the exact same audience. I don't know that it's accurate to suggest the emphasis on story/characters has diminished in any way. They're (MEA and DAI) not on rails to the degree that previous games were, and enforcement of pacing is minimal, but the major story and character components are still there.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 30, 2020 16:21:25 GMT
Yeah, the hate train started before the game was even in early release. There were some really ugly youtubes released, and widely promoted as if there was a concerted effort to wreck the game's image before it even got off the ground. I remember one individual in particular who was on the forums here all day, every day, promoting the ugliest of the vids and carping endlessly about everything. Dude was obviously not only trying to keep anyone else from buying the game, he was also being the turd in the punchbowl for those of us who were enjoying it and wanted to discuss it with other players. It took quite awhile for him to finally get over it and leave.
I'm never quite sure whether people who behave that way are just looking to profit from clicks, supremely entitled basement dwellers who simply lack the adult coping skills to deal with content providers delivering anything incongruent with their fantasies, or some concerted effort to harm EA/BioWare - possibly some combination of all of those things. In any case they were apparently semi-successful, as there are undoubtedly a lot more people who could have enjoyed the game but will likely never buy/play it because of the hate campaign. That's not to say it didn't/doesn't have issues. Some of the most egregious were actually software management problems with some shaders being omitted from an early release. Other issues were patched pretty quickly. Like most entertainment products, it has some flaws, but I've yet to encounter a game that doesn't. In any case, I hope they'll have a chance to build on the foundation laid out for MEA. Well, that is in keeping with how the place is run: Join the echo chamber or we'll run you out of here.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jan 30, 2020 16:52:33 GMT
Well, that is in keeping with how the place is run: Join the echo chamber or we'll run you out of here. It will quickly became mob/echo chamber/etc. if the person in question is just spewing his vitriol without actually saying anything new or just spamming because. And I think who is in question. Good riddance.
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Post by traks on Jan 30, 2020 17:54:48 GMT
Are these people discovering MEA old school MET fans ? Of course they could say this game is good if they like open world action games (Assassin's Creed, etc) with not so much emphasis on story/characters (at least not as much as old Bioware games) and be pleasantly surprised. They even might prefer it to the MET (better graphics and combat gameplay), it's not the exact same audience. Why would anyone who gets wind of the shitstorm try MEA? I think most that played MEA are indeed MET fans, because they want more ME. The divide in the fanbase is IMO not between old and new fans of the series, because there are likely only old fans left.
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Post by tatann on Jan 30, 2020 18:39:40 GMT
Are these people discovering MEA old school MET fans ? Of course they could say this game is good if they like open world action games (Assassin's Creed, etc) with not so much emphasis on story/characters (at least not as much as old Bioware games) and be pleasantly surprised. They even might prefer it to the MET (better graphics and combat gameplay), it's not the exact same audience. Why would anyone who gets wind of the shitstorm try MEA? I think most that played MEA are indeed MET fans, because they want more ME. The divide in the fanbase is IMO not between old and new fans of the series, because there are likely only old fans left. I think old MET fans were impatient enough to buy MEA at release. Of course a few were put off by the bad reviews (deserved and undeserved), but I can't imagine the majority of MET fans going "this is my favorite franchise, I've been waiting for 5 years, let's wait for reviews before I buy" Like Anthem got a lot of backlash from Bioware fans for not being a "Bioware game" (and of course for the lies, poor state of the game, lack of communication, well the whole shitstorm) and it might have brought bad press, but now that the game is 5 bucks, new players not expecting anything from Bioware can go "damn, this is a good looking game with nice combat gameplay, oh and there's some story and dialogue too, nice" |
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Post by Sanunes on Jan 30, 2020 19:20:30 GMT
Are these people discovering MEA old school MET fans ? Of course they could say this game is good if they like open world action games (Assassin's Creed, etc) with not so much emphasis on story/characters (at least not as much as old Bioware games) and be pleasantly surprised. They even might prefer it to the MET (better graphics and combat gameplay), it's not the exact same audience. Its also for different people for out of the four Mass Effect games I still think Mass Effect 1 is the weakest for characters for the characters came across as cardboard archtypes that on Normandy had only three different interactions and most of that was exposition. There are more conversations and more depth to them in Mass Effect Andromeda. Now Mass Effect 2 and 3 built upon what people liked about those characters and expanded in that direction so they have more connection to players then Andromeda. So its about the person and not the game again. Its why I got tired of all the comments where people would proclaim how they feel the game lacked when people could see different things. If for you the characters were flatter then the prior games that is fine, but don't make the mistake of thinking everyone feels about the characters or story as you do. There will be some, but not everyone.
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Post by Polka Dot on Jan 30, 2020 19:48:52 GMT
Yeah, the hate train started before the game was even in early release. There were some really ugly youtubes released, and widely promoted as if there was a concerted effort to wreck the game's image before it even got off the ground. I remember one individual in particular who was on the forums here all day, every day, promoting the ugliest of the vids and carping endlessly about everything. Dude was obviously not only trying to keep anyone else from buying the game, he was also being the turd in the punchbowl for those of us who were enjoying it and wanted to discuss it with other players. It took quite awhile for him to finally get over it and leave.
I'm never quite sure whether people who behave that way are just looking to profit from clicks, supremely entitled basement dwellers who simply lack the adult coping skills to deal with content providers delivering anything incongruent with their fantasies, or some concerted effort to harm EA/BioWare - possibly some combination of all of those things. In any case they were apparently semi-successful, as there are undoubtedly a lot more people who could have enjoyed the game but will likely never buy/play it because of the hate campaign. That's not to say it didn't/doesn't have issues. Some of the most egregious were actually software management problems with some shaders being omitted from an early release. Other issues were patched pretty quickly. Like most entertainment products, it has some flaws, but I've yet to encounter a game that doesn't. In any case, I hope they'll have a chance to build on the foundation laid out for MEA. Well, that is in keeping with how the place is run: Join the echo chamber or we'll run you out of here. Non-sequitur much? The shit-flinger left once he was satisfied that he'd spread it as far and wide as he could. Are these people discovering MEA old school MET fans ? Of course they could say this game is good if they like open world action games (Assassin's Creed, etc) with not so much emphasis on story/characters (at least not as much as old Bioware games) and be pleasantly surprised. They even might prefer it to the MET (better graphics and combat gameplay), it's not the exact same audience. Why would anyone who gets wind of the shitstorm try MEA? Maybe because some people recognized just how manufactured said shitstorm was, especially since it started during development and reached a zenith before the game was even released. Also, some people don't bow to internet mob rule, but make their own choices about the content they'll consume.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 30, 2020 19:59:37 GMT
Well, that is in keeping with how the place is run: Join the echo chamber or we'll run you out of here. It will quickly became mob/echo chamber/etc. if the person in question is just spewing his vitriol without actually saying anything new or just spamming because. And I think who is in question. Good riddance. Right. One person ="echo chamber" Can't have "the wrong sort" stirring up the plebs. Bah, this is why I rarely post in the Bioware threads anymore.
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