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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 14, 2019 0:58:02 GMT
This is fact. Unsatisfied customers will simply stop doing business, they don't leave bad reviews. I've made several citations of that in the past. Unless you want to make a case for review bombing. I don't know why Russian bots would attack Andromeda, though. Oh please. You want some facts? In today’s age, being negative is far more popular than being positive. Look at all the clickbait articles always spinning things negative, or people whose careers are ripping into things even universally beloved. Meanwhile, compare that to the articles or careers made by being positive about something. The former exponentially eclipses the latter.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 14, 2019 2:39:20 GMT
This is fact. Unsatisfied customers will simply stop doing business, they don't leave bad reviews. I've made several citations of that in the past. Unless you want to make a case for review bombing. I don't know why Russian bots would attack Andromeda, though. Oh please. You want some facts? In today’s age, being negative is far more popular than being positive. Look at all the clickbait articles always spinning things negative, or people whose careers are ripping into things even universally beloved. Meanwhile, compare that to the articles or careers made by being positive about something. The former exponentially eclipses the latter. Yeah it is well known these days that thos etha tspeak neghatively about a produc tten dto shout louder than those tha tlike it no matter what the numbers are
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Post by Exile Isan on Nov 14, 2019 5:43:17 GMT
As someone who works in retail I can very much tell you that people are more likely to leave a bad review at a business than they are positive ones. And people are more likely to tell more people about a negative experience than a positive one. www.marketingcharts.com/digital-28628
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 14, 2019 7:44:52 GMT
"Overall, 34 percent of consumers say they are likely to leave a negative review after a bad experience in 2018"
Which means only 1/3 is likely to leave a negative review, after a bad experience. First result in Google search for "less likely to leave a review", thank you very much.
So you're totally ignoring the other half of the statement where it says: "A consumer is 21 percent more likely to leave a review after a negative experience than a positive one."
The statistic that you linked says a person who liked a product is 28% likely to leave a review, a person who didn't like the product is 34% likely.
LOL
You can't even cite a source that supports your point of view. This is hilarious. But do keep riding your high horse of self-importance...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2019 11:55:08 GMT
Humor me... cite the data... a credible study... not Pewdiepie.
"Overall, 34 percent of consumers say they are likely to leave a negative review after a bad experience in 2018"
Which means only 1/3 is likely to leave a negative review, after a bad experience. First result in Google search for "less likely to leave a review", thank you very much.
From the same survey: "A consumer is 21 percent more likely to leave a review after a negative experience than a positive one."
So, that boils down to 34% of consumers who have negative experiences leaving a comment and only 13% of consumers who have positive experiences leaving a comment. In the case of Andormeda, if we use those ratios that means that the 40% of the comments that were positive represent only 13% of all buyers who had positive experiences and the 50% of the negative comments represent 34% of all the buyers who had negative experiences... and we have a 10% rate of mixed comments that represents an unknown ratio of the buyers who had neutral experiences (because that is not accounted for in the "comment tendency" statistic). Basically it means that for every positive comment, there is likely 87 more people who had a similar positive experience who have said nothing and for every negative comment there is only 66 more people who likely had a similar negative experience who have said nothing. Of course, to get any sort of accurate picture would require combining the comments from all data collection points (something to which only Bioware would have access).
That doesn't mean that this is a good thing. It isn't BECAUSE 94% of those 66 fans are likely NEVER to return regardless of what Bioware does. Yet, this is the number you continually want Bioware to chase... at the expense of pissing off the 87 people who had a positive experience with Andromeda and who are more likely to return to sample another Mass Effect game. I don't see that as a sound strategy and that is and has always been where we fundamentally disagree on what Bioware should do.
Then we need to also consider the relatively small number of "mixed" user comments. While the survey you cite doesn't address this, I think it is pretty well universally accepted that the group least likely to comment are those who have an "mixed" or "average" experience. So, that small number of comments actually represents the largest number of all buyers of the game. They are the ones undecided and on the fence and where Bioware should focus their attention to what was being said by that group... What was most criticized by them should absolutely be improved upon. They aren't the ones demanding that Bioware go back to the OT or even back to the Milky Way. They are asking for a more polished game at release (better animations) and yes, some of those comments do ask for more interesting characters. (As I said, I am amenable to a continuation of Andromeda with a new PC and a different crew. My personal preference is for Ryder and his/her crew to return in at least some way, but I am not in that "mixed" group... I'm in the positive one.)
As of right now, the timeline is more than 600 years beyond the end of the Reaper War. Shepard and his/her crew are long gone. What actually happened at the end of the Reaper may be mostly forgotten or even unknown by whatever population exists in the Milky Way 600 year after the end of the Reaper War. I do want to see them eventually connect the events of the OT and as yet unknown events in Andromeda into a single story. Rather than throwing Andromeda out of the franchise, I want to see to see it all brought in with meaning to the story and the lore... and be about how civilizations adapted, changed and evolved over long periods of time AFTER discovering the usefulness of Element Zero and the Mass Effect. The lore of Mass Effect is about more than just relays, IMO. Currently, element zero is an untapped resource in the Andromeda Galaxy. The knowledge of how it is useful is being brought to that galaxy by the Andromeda Initiative. Their presence in the galaxy is going to change the very evolution of the species in that galaxy. We now have two galaxies in the franchise... one that has suffered a catastrophic decline and one that is just taking its baby steps into following the technological path the Reapers promote. To me, that's far more exciting than just another story about Shepard.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 14, 2019 12:10:19 GMT
As someone who works in retail I can very much tell you that people are more likely to leave a bad review at a business than they are positive ones. And people are more likely to tell more people about a negative experience than a positive one. www.marketingcharts.com/digital-28628Yeah I know it happens on other sites I visit as well not just on here the Codemasters forums tend to be like that as well with regards to the F1 games. People that are having positive experiences with a game or item generally I think aer just busy enjoying it. I know that was my experience with MEA when it came out and still is. It's one of the main reasons why I tend to keep quiet I'm too busy just enjoying it for what it is.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 14, 2019 16:23:55 GMT
As someone who works in retail I can very much tell you that people are more likely to leave a bad review at a business than they are positive ones. And people are more likely to tell more people about a negative experience than a positive one. www.marketingcharts.com/digital-28628This is true. However, I would also say that if there are enough bad reviews, then common sense would dictate that "something" is wrong with the product.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 14, 2019 23:06:00 GMT
Or six feet under, if the numbers are right. Terminator is now in the same condition as Mass Effect post Andromeda launch. Yes, literally "On Ice" was used, same as for Mass Effect: Andromeda. Even if you like Dark Fate, this is how bad things are for Terminator right now. If it were a success, we'd already be talking about a sequel, like we already are talking about the Joker. Now, no studio will make a Dark Fate 2. You can extrapolate what that means for Andromeda 2. If Andromeda was the real Mass Effect 1, there would have been no ME2 today. Terminator was a shit franchise since Rise of the Machines.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 14, 2019 23:19:21 GMT
An underrated film. The TV show was good, though.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 14, 2019 23:21:05 GMT
Let it go, people... Let's not make people feel bad for liking MEA over and over. It hurt Bioware's reputation, that is fact, but those who still enjoyed the game are what's left of the fanbase. So their opinion matters for Bioware's future. The opnion of those who like Anthem as well. Bioware will build on what people LIKED about their games. If these things do not match my own opinion, the only conclusion to be drawn from that is that I'm not the target audience anymore and should move on. That's not how it works. Doubling down on a failed direction will not regrow to a new fanbase. If the fanbase for the same product exists from different group of people, then it wasn't the product itself that kept them from buying it. Doubling down on a failed direction, will further collapse the property. I'm not saying you shouldn't like what you like, I'm not saying you should feel bad for liking what you like. But what you like may be bad. Like the Star Wars Christmas Special. Or The Room. But you can't make a Christmas Special 2 or The Room 2, out of them. Well, definitely no Room 2 since Johnny dies in the end. On the other hand, if you want to build on what people LIKED, well, they liked the OT. They liked Liara who will return again in some way and Garrus and Tali and Wrex etc. They demonstrably rejected Andromeda. Which effectively put the franchise on ice. I've already made it clear what that means. The things that worked for Andromeda were the Nomad, the gunplay and ... Vetra? The latter for reasons entirely unrelated to her personality and usefulness in the battlefield. Which is a bad reason to like a character. She's fetish fuel. Literally, that's all she is.
Andromeda is the Kamala Khan of the ME universe. People go out of their way to say how good and popular she is. She sells 10-14k copies per month. The people who like her, really like her, but that's life support numbers. She doesn't do the 100k copies the X-Men make. Or the 100k copies Batman makes. Or the 100k copies Spiderman makes. In the gaming industry, Kamala Khan isn't AAA title material. More like AA, if even that. You won't make CoD sales numbers with Andromeda. You won't make Battlefield numbers with Andromeda. You don't even make OT numbers with Andromeda, in a medium that has since grown to be the biggest entertainment industry on the planet. That's a failure. Not a failure on the fans part, but on Bioware's part. It was their job to make a game that people wanted and its not. Either the franchise is not viable in its current iteration and has no way forward or fans simply moved on with ME3, which means ending it there was a bad move for both the franchise and the studio.
Then I guess it really comes down to which direction presents fewer risks: trying to refine upon the currently established timeline, or go back and retcon the everliving fuck out of the previous trilogy, as that would be a necessity going forward to not have a resurgence of the trilogy's conclusion that was nigh universally despised.
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 14, 2019 23:22:01 GMT
An underrated film. The TV show was good, though. It's not totally garbage, but it's a serious dip in quality after T2, I thought. I feel like as a whole, it just plain ran out of steam after Arnie got dunked into the steel.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 14, 2019 23:37:03 GMT
I give T3 points for really going there, though. Turns out we actually are just as fucked as T1 said we were.
But of course, these sorts of franchises always end with dueling retcons. Like comic books; you have to pick when to walk away.
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Post by griffith82 on Nov 15, 2019 3:06:36 GMT
This is fact. Unsatisfied customers will simply stop doing business, they don't leave bad reviews. I've made several citations of that in the past. Unless you want to make a case for review bombing. I don't know why Russian bots would attack Andromeda, though. Really? That is not how it works. Unsatisfied people are more likely to post than satisfied and that IS a fact.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Nov 15, 2019 4:13:33 GMT
This is fact. Unsatisfied customers will simply stop doing business, they don't leave bad reviews. I've made several citations of that in the past. Unless you want to make a case for review bombing. I don't know why Russian bots would attack Andromeda, though. Really? That is not how it works. Unsatisfied people are more likely to post than satisfied and that IS a fact. Yeah I've seen ittoo in pretty much every forum I've got an account on unhappy peopl eshouting louder than those that are happy . Thos etha taer happy aer just bus yenjoying it rather than possting loads. I certainl yknow that was the case with m ea tleast when MEA came outas I didn't visi tthis foruim much at all because I was too busy enjoying the game.
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Post by river82 on Nov 15, 2019 8:47:31 GMT
An underrated film. The TV show was good, though. It's not totally garbage, but it's a serious dip in quality after T2, I thought. I feel like as a whole, it just plain ran out of steam after Arnie got dunked into the steel. The director and co-writer left after T2. James Cameron didn't just direct the movies, he half wrote them as well. Once he left things were obviously going to be different. It's like the West Wing. The first few seasons was probably some of the greatest TV ever produced, then the creator and writer left and it was all downhill. Books are the same, with ghost writers or writers who take over from a writer after they passed. Different writers will tell different stories with different themes and tell them differently. Mass Effect is the same. The lead writer left, the guy who's idea the series was left, and Andromeda ended up being drastically different from what came before. Some people believe it went downhill, some people are fine with it, but what can be stated for certainty is that it was different. Which is just natural with the staff turnover. Good to hear Mass Effect will be continued, the trilogy was my favorite game series in that 2011 year bracket. But I'll be looking for the Mass Effect series to pivot in tone and in other areas more toward the original trilogy before I start to get hyped. I'm not looking for a goofy adventure in space.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 15, 2019 16:05:29 GMT
"Overall, 34 percent of consumers say they are likely to leave a negative review after a bad experience in 2018"
Which means only 1/3 is likely to leave a negative review, after a bad experience. First result in Google search for "less likely to leave a review", thank you very much.
So you're totally ignoring the other half of the statement where it says: "A consumer is 21 percent more likely to leave a review after a negative experience than a positive one."
The statistic that you linked says a person who liked a product is 28% likely to leave a review, a person who didn't like the product is 34% likely.
LOL
You can't even cite a source that supports your point of view. This is hilarious. But do keep riding your high horse of self-importance...
It still says that only 34% of people having a bad experience will leave a negative review. It says exactly that. It doesn't account for the percentage of the people who liked it and even so, the number I gave was a hypothetical. In other words, we are having a non argument.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 15, 2019 16:06:08 GMT
"Overall, 34 percent of consumers say they are likely to leave a negative review after a bad experience in 2018"
Which means only 1/3 is likely to leave a negative review, after a bad experience. First result in Google search for "less likely to leave a review", thank you very much.
From the same survey: "A consumer is 21 percent more likely to leave a review after a negative experience than a positive one."
So, that boils down to 34% of consumers who have negative experiences leaving a comment and only 13% of consumers who have positive experiences leaving a comment. In the case of Andormeda, if we use those ratios that means that the 40% of the comments that were positive represent only 13% of all buyers who had positive experiences and the 50% of the negative comments represent 34% of all the buyers who had negative experiences... and we have a 10% rate of mixed comments that represents an unknown ratio of the buyers who had neutral experiences (because that is not accounted for in the "comment tendency" statistic). Basically it means that for every positive comment, there is likely 87 more people who had a similar positive experience who have said nothing and for every negative comment there is only 66 more people who likely had a similar negative experience who have said nothing. Of course, to get any sort of accurate picture would require combining the comments from all data collection points (something to which only Bioware would have access).
That doesn't mean that this is a good thing. It isn't BECAUSE 94% of those 66 fans are likely NEVER to return regardless of what Bioware does. Yet, this is the number you continually want Bioware to chase... at the expense of pissing off the 87 people who had a positive experience with Andromeda and who are more likely to return to sample another Mass Effect game. I don't see that as a sound strategy and that is and has always been where we fundamentally disagree on what Bioware should do.
Then we need to also consider the relatively small number of "mixed" user comments. While the survey you cite doesn't address this, I think it is pretty well universally accepted that the group least likely to comment are those who have an "mixed" or "average" experience. So, that small number of comments actually represents the largest number of all buyers of the game. They are the ones undecided and on the fence and where Bioware should focus their attention to what was being said by that group... What was most criticized by them should absolutely be improved upon. They aren't the ones demanding that Bioware go back to the OT or even back to the Milky Way. They are asking for a more polished game at release (better animations) and yes, some of those comments do ask for more interesting characters. (As I said, I am amenable to a continuation of Andromeda with a new PC and a different crew. My personal preference is for Ryder and his/her crew to return in at least some way, but I am not in that "mixed" group... I'm in the positive one.)
As of right now, the timeline is more than 600 years beyond the end of the Reaper War. Shepard and his/her crew are long gone. What actually happened at the end of the Reaper may be mostly forgotten or even unknown by whatever population exists in the Milky Way 600 year after the end of the Reaper War. I do want to see them eventually connect the events of the OT and as yet unknown events in Andromeda into a single story. Rather than throwing Andromeda out of the franchise, I want to see to see it all brought in with meaning to the story and the lore... and be about how civilizations adapted, changed and evolved over long periods of time AFTER discovering the usefulness of Element Zero and the Mass Effect. The lore of Mass Effect is about more than just relays, IMO. Currently, element zero is an untapped resource in the Andromeda Galaxy. The knowledge of how it is useful is being brought to that galaxy by the Andromeda Initiative. Their presence in the galaxy is going to change the very evolution of the species in that galaxy. We now have two galaxies in the franchise... one that has suffered a catastrophic decline and one that is just taking its baby steps into following the technological path the Reapers promote. To me, that's far more exciting than just another story about Shepard.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 15, 2019 16:25:11 GMT
As someone who works in retail I can very much tell you that people are more likely to leave a bad review at a business than they are positive ones. And people are more likely to tell more people about a negative experience than a positive one. www.marketingcharts.com/digital-28628I've been working retail and call centers for the past 10 years now. I've had arguments with customers and I've had satisfied customers. I have, to this day, not received a single bad review. I may have had a mixed review, but those where just nitpicky and I've had good reviews. In my experience, unsatisfied customers don't leave bad reviews, they just walk out on you. Maybe I'm just that good at my job, so as to never have received a bad review, which while highly unlikely, it is a possibility, but still highly unlikely. Maybe it is a culture thing? I'm not American. So I can't be partial to demographics pertaining mostly within the US. And as such, I am neither knowledgeable of them, nor perhaps aware of them. But it is also, I think, presumptuous to think of the Americas as world defining.
But even so, we are talking a hypothetical situation, based on a very loose sample, derived from an unreliable statistic that are the metacritic user scores, as I've stated from the start. This is a non argument. You might as well take the reddit Anthem survey into consideration next.
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Post by Exile Isan on Nov 15, 2019 16:58:15 GMT
I've been working retail and call centers for the past 10 years now. I've had arguments with customers and I've had satisfied customers. I have, to this day, not received a single bad review. I may have had a mixed review, but those where just nitpicky and I've had good reviews. In my experience, unsatisfied customers don't leave bad reviews, they just walk out on you. Maybe I'm just that good at my job, so as to never have received a bad review, which while highly unlikely, it is a possibility, but still highly unlikely. Maybe it is a culture thing? I'm not American. So I can't be partial to demographics pertaining mostly within the US. And as such, I am neither knowledgeable of them, nor perhaps aware of them. But it is also, I think, presumptuous to think of the Americas as world defining. Aren't you doing the same thing though? Thinking that your experience is "world defining"? I am American. And I'm speaking purely from my own experience of working in retail for the last twenty years not anyone elses. I work at a small business that does shipping, packing, mail services, etc. and we get bad reviews for things that are out of our control, or simply for asking people to pay for the services that we render (how dare we ask people to pay for the copies they make! Or the graphic design that I do occasionally). We've even had bad reviews for things that are not related to our business at all but the companies that we partner with (UPS). We see over a hundred people a day on a busy day. Most of these interactions are great, no drama. But occasionally you get one person that you have to tell them something they don't want to hear, or you can't help them because you are hampered by the protocol of a partner company (ie. if you drop off a package with a prepaid label for UPS, we, the store, are not the sender and if anything goes wrong with that package the person dropping it off is responsible for contacting and dealing with UPS as they, UPS will not do anything with us because it is not our account number on that package. We also are not allowed by UPS to accept firearms or firearm parts as a shipper or as a drop off.), or for legal reasons as happens sometimes with notarizations. And that one person will leave a bad review, but the 99 other people that you helped that day that had a good experience will not. We can't even get our regular customers that we know on a first name basis to leave us good reviews. lol
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Post by SirSourpuss on Nov 15, 2019 19:28:24 GMT
Aren't you doing the same thing though? Thinking that your experience is "world defining"? I did, if that was the case. And it is wrong on my part. I freely admit that.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 15, 2019 19:37:22 GMT
This might actually be the easier route. They've already got all the powers and such built in Frostbite. However, the OT is not in Frostbite. Would they necessarily change the engine to Frostbite for a remaster though?
Depends on the quality of the remaster some remasters cost as much as making a brand new game would.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 19:53:09 GMT
A personal experience anecdote with respect to customer feedback … I have a great dentist. Not just the dentist, the whole office. They are always pestering me to leave reviews on facebook and twitter … but I closed those accounts years ago and have no desire to create an account just to leave reviews.
Side note: I try to show my appreciation in person, when someone provides great service … it's not the same as an online review … but I'm letting the folks I interact with know their efforts are recognized and not taken for granted. On occasion, I will seek out the boss or manager to relay that feedback for the especially noteworthy cases. Amazon … maybe 99% of the time they do things perfectly. Do I leave reviews for that? Pfft. Mostly, they hear from me in the 1% of the time when something gets dorked up … which typically they fix in a great fashion.
Bought some (OEM) car parts to install on my sister's car. The dealer boofed one of the parts … sent the wrong one … I was not happy. The other part was exactly what I ordered (at a decent price) … which one got the review? Which purchase got ignored? Three guesses and the first two don't count.
On another note, it appears that Anthem is getting an overhaul … which will take time … but the big news is that its development will continue … both at Edmonton and in Austin for now … eventually migrating solely to Austin.
In the same article and on topic for the thread … ME is not dead, but in early development at Edmonton.
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Post by natetrace on Nov 15, 2019 20:02:28 GMT
I see the last sentence in the Schreier article mentions Michael Gamble and Mass Effect...which I assumed might be the case due to clues he's dropped and changing his header a while back. Good to have something more concrete though.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 15, 2019 20:09:07 GMT
This thread needs about 90% less hyperbole. (And yes, I did just pull that figure out of my ass.) Having said that, the proposition that Ryder & Co. are relatively unpopular and should not return doesn't strike me as inherently unreasonable. Although I think the characters are taking hits which rightly belong to Andromeda's general tone, it's not clear that matters.
To say virtually no one liked the characters, I don't really consider it hyperbole. Even among people who like the game its rarely the characters that are the draw in MEA, and less than 1/2 the people even liked the game. To me that is virtually no one, when we are talking AAA games. If you want to sell 9 millionish copies and only a million of your previous were happy with the characters, I put that in the virtually no one category. Is it a estimate sure, but its not like team upagain ever uses evidence either. But they sold probably 3-4 million copies, 1/2 of the people rated the game very poorly, of the 1/2 that liked it, the praise is usually more towards game play than the characters. So I don't think 1 million people is a far off estimate. And that, on the scale of AAA games is virtually no one IMO. Maybe none of that is representative, that its just a vocal minority. Always possible, but its not like Bioware has much more if any more to go on either.
Speaking as someone in multiple different fandoms from Star Trek, Star Wars, The Transformers, Marvel Comics and DC Comics where every time a major change is announced to status quo or a new movie/TV show/comic book/toy line/video game dared to change the status quo of it's characters guess what that loud, annoying, and often toxic are the minority that despite their noise often don't make affect sales.
Which is why I think it would be stupid to listen them because they will never be happy about anything, even if/when something is basically a present to them all they do is complain. They would rather see a franchise die because it's no longer catering only to them and their narrow vision of that same franchise, but if the franchise is to live it has to grow, change, and try to get new fans and appeal to a new generation which might not like, want, or accept a previous generation's version.
Sometimes it's messy, ugly, and there are mistakes made, but if BioWare wants Mass Effect to succeed they need to go forward and not backwards to appeal to fans that most likely will NEVER buy a new Mass Effect game regardless of which galaxy it's set in and the name of the lead character, because they've moved on or no longer have the time to play 3 video games and a lot of DLC that takes 100+ hours (and to get the full MET experience requires reading three novels, 25+ issues of various comic book mini-series, and a anime movie) because they have jobs, family, and other things that occupy their time.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Nov 15, 2019 20:11:05 GMT
This is fact. Unsatisfied customers will simply stop doing business, they don't leave bad reviews. I've made several citations of that in the past. Unless you want to make a case for review bombing. I don't know why Russian bots would attack Andromeda, though. Oh please. You want some facts? In today’s age, being negative is far more popular than being positive. Look at all the clickbait articles always spinning things negative, or people whose careers are ripping into things even universally beloved. Meanwhile, compare that to the articles or careers made by being positive about something. The former exponentially eclipses the latter.
Sad but true. There are very few people who try to promote a positive view on pop culture on social media and they tend to have MUCH smaller number of subscribers/clicks/views.
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