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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 18:45:23 GMT
Leviathan DLC is optional content that isn't required to understand the game.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 3, 2020 20:54:33 GMT
Who says there's an organic-synthetic conflict? Maybe he's making it up in order to prevent you from choosing destroy? BioWare doubled down on this idea with the Leviathan DLC, which now brings in yet another character to tell us that there is indeed some sort of inevitable conflict, birthing the whole Intelligence to Reaper path to begin with. The existence of this second character doesn't change the likelihood of error, only moves its origin back in time if it exists. That's because those two did not reach their conclusions separately but one is the source of the other's reasoning. The error itself doesn't have to be about the very existence of a conflict but can be just about where the line is.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 3, 2020 21:12:20 GMT
BioWare doubled down on this idea with the Leviathan DLC, which now brings in yet another character to tell us that there is indeed some sort of inevitable conflict, birthing the whole Intelligence to Reaper path to begin with. The existence of this second character doesn't change the likelihood of error, only moves its origin back in time if it exists. That's because those two did not reach their conclusions separately but one is the source of the other's reasoning. The error itself doesn't have to be about the very existence of a conflict but can be just about where the line is. Oh, I agree. Jesus Christ could manifest himself in the game and insist that there's an inevitable machine/organic conflict ending in apocalypse, and I'd check for a health bar to see if I can get that number to zero. But I just mean that the writers themselves seem to be trying to push this intent.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 3, 2020 23:22:29 GMT
The existence of this second character doesn't change the likelihood of error, only moves its origin back in time if it exists. That's because those two did not reach their conclusions separately but one is the source of the other's reasoning. The error itself doesn't have to be about the very existence of a conflict but can be just about where the line is. Oh, I agree. Jesus Christ could manifest himself in the game and insist that there's an inevitable machine/organic conflict ending in apocalypse, and I'd check for a health bar to see if I can get that number to zero. But I just mean that the writers themselves seem to be trying to push this intent. True, at the same time they're convincing us that the geth are so cool and innocent despite all their historical actions. They were not consistent at what they were trying to tell, but they were at what they told: that the actual conflict doesn't stem from tissue construction but having a body as an integral part of one's self (and perceiving through it) or not. This line of conflict was vaguely drawn at the beginning (ME: Revelation) and consistently – if unwillingly – reinforced ever since. Assuming that the Leviathan misrecognized the problem and their error propagated to the Catalyst and the Reapers but I have an easy time believing this.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 3, 2020 23:35:23 GMT
Batman is an emotionally stunted man child who can not let his parents deaths go. Hence why rather then grow up to be a politician leading reformations or literally anything else he uses his vast wealth to travel the world and train. So he can go back to his home town and dress up as a bat and beat up poor and mentally unstable individuals. Recruiting a young child (or children depending on the universe) to follow him in his foot steps. And it was shown pretty clearly that Robin or at least one of his possible Robins had the Jason Todd treatment by who we could only assume is Joker given all the hahas on his armor. With this in mind we are shown at the start of the movie were Papa and Mama Wayne are killed and Bruce's father specifically looks dead at Bruce and begs to save Martha. And remember Bruce as so traumatized by this that he dressed up as a bat and punches poor and mentally challenged people all night long. Thus when Bruce has Clark pinned and about to kill him rather then beg for his own life which is what most people would do when they are about to be killed. Clark looks right into Bruce's eyes and begs to save Martha which is a dead repeat to what his father did as he laid dying. This caused him to hesitate long enough for Lois to find them and explain everything to Batman. At which point he realizes how low he sunk and comes around out of the black pit of disparate that he has been sunk into.
This is further highlighted in a cut scene were he shows up in Lex's cell and rather then brand him like he has done with everyone else he hits the wall behind him and leaves. For Quill we have 2 different fuck ups now that you reminded me of GotG 2. Ego knew how much Quill was upset at his mother dying. Quill didn't exactly hide the fact he was pissed at him for his apparent abandonment of him and his mother and her subsequent death. And then right as his plan is about to succeed Ego against all reason or rational directly tells Quill that he put the tumor in his mother to kill her. Which of course turns Quill against Ego and eventually leads to his death. This is stupid because there is no ryhme, reason or build up and he only says it as a plot convenience. In Infinity War Quill wants to kill Thanos and yet during the whole fight it has been made clear the Infinity Gauntlet and the Stones are the entire reason why he is able to put up a fight against everyone. Remove the Gauntlet and they would actually have a chance to kill Thanos. But rather then disarm Thanos and then kill him Quill fucks up and allows Thanos to retain the Gauntlet which allows the rest of Infinity War and Endgame to continue. Both of these are idiotic cringe worthy writing that exists simply for the sake of making drama and allowing the plot to continue. And while you can argue the Martha bit is also cringe worthy writing that exists simply for the sake of making drama and allowing the plot to continue at least they actually incorporated the reason into the plot.
Batman never had integrity all he ever has been is the biggest mary sue that makes even Superman look like a boring background NPC in a video game. His "integrity" has lead to countless deaths due to him allowing literal serial killers to continue to walk around. I mean seriously Joker kills a couple dozen people and Batman shows up and stops him. Then a few months later Joker escapes and kills a few more dozen people and Batman stops him. Then Joker escapes again and kills a couple dozen more people, and repeat the cycle. The idea that he sacrifices dozens to hundreds of people's lives to maintain his "integrity" when he had multiple chances to stop them before they had a kill count in the triple digits. And this bullshit logic of "if he kills someone then he will just become a cold hearted killer" is as bullshit as the story lines were Superman sees Lois is killed and that instantly turns Superman into an oppressive dictator that will kill anyone that gets in his way without remorse. This logic only works if you admit that Batman is a closet phyco who will be completely unable to tell the difference between some random poor person mugging an old lady. And a serial killer clown who has committed literal war crimes. Which also means that every single solider and police officer who ever existed in the DC universe should be a raving mad man who will kill anyone that so much as cuts them off in traffic.
This difference is actually shown in the movie as it shows all the people arrested are branded with the bat symbol which makes them targets in prison by other prisoners. Batman only discards this after Lex manipulates both Batman and Superman into fighting. Feeding the hate and paranoia of Batman into those actions. Not to mention those same private mercenary groups were shown to be more then willing to kill an entire African Village and kidnap a woman and kill them. So Batman is not killing innocent people. And the fact that Bruce actually addresses this. He specifically talks to Alfred about how long he has been at this and how nothing seems to have improved or changed. So he has started to resort to more brutal methods because he lost any hope he had.
Lex in the movie isn't Joker. Lex is and always has in nearly ever universe has a massive god complex. Thinking that he is the smartest person on the planet, with some versions making him think he is the hero of humanity. Then Superman shows up and all of Lex's accomplishments and all his achievements are now meaningless in the face of an almost literal god. This has been shown in countless universesand the fact in every universe were Superman doesn't exist or is actually a bad guy it is Lex who is the hero to the world. And Lex is purposefully egging on both Batman and Superman to hate each other. He wants them to kill each other. This is why Lex sends Clark to Bruce. And when that fails he creates his Doomsday hybrid.
Organic development is bullshit reasoning. Everyone and their grandmother knows about Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash and Batman. They don't need to create their separate origin movies to make everything organic. I mean......Batman being an emotionally stunted man child is just all kinds of horribly unsatisfying on so many levels. And yet that is what Batman is at his core. It is the fact of the character as much as superman is an alien god among humanity. No normal healthy adult spends millions of dollars to dress up as a bat and beat up poor and mentally challenged individuals. Batman isn't Bruce's alter ego it is the reverse. He is so obsessive over stopping a similar event that if he could he would spend 100% of his time as Batman. As Bruce is simply the alter ego that he is forced to utilize to maintain his secrecy. The only way he knows how to reach out to other people and form a bond with them is literally finding other orphans and training them before sending them out to fight against thugs and other trigger happy criminals that literally want to beat/ shoot the kid in the face. Even the most basic inspection of Batman's mentality and actions shows he is literally a stunted man child that never grew past the point in his life were his parents were killed. And he even pulls young impressionable CHILDREN into this world and trains them as he replacements if he dies.
Batman is a man child. No amount of fancy gadgets or mary sue "I figured out the whole thing based on the scrap of cloth I saw" BS will ever change that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2020 23:41:46 GMT
Oh, I agree. Jesus Christ could manifest himself in the game and insist that there's an inevitable machine/organic conflict ending in apocalypse, and I'd check for a health bar to see if I can get that number to zero. But I just mean that the writers themselves seem to be trying to push this intent. True, at the same time they're convincing us that the geth are so cool and innocent despite all their historical actions. You know, on the Simpsons, Nelson was first portrayed as a bully, who later became friends with some of the victims he had. I don't know if I'd call that inconsistent.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 3, 2020 23:42:49 GMT
The problem with the Catalyst is that its "organic-synthetic conflict" premise is a bit of babbling because the idea of a stiff distinction between organics and synthetics is challenged since ME1 and largely falls by ME2. Even if we assume it works for most practical purposes (sure) then a universal conflict is not exactly what we see and not exactly what the in-universe science says (ME: Revelation chapter 8, ME: Initiation chapter 10). Of course the thing saw a lot more than us but it could very well have been programmed with a bad premise it never challenged. Were is it challenged in ME1 and were does it fall about by ME2? A pure synthetic creation like the Geth and someone getting some cybernetic replacements like Shepard are not even vaugly the same.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 4, 2020 0:21:55 GMT
The problem with the Catalyst is that its "organic-synthetic conflict" premise is a bit of babbling because the idea of a stiff distinction between organics and synthetics is challenged since ME1 and largely falls by ME2. Even if we assume it works for most practical purposes (sure) then a universal conflict is not exactly what we see and not exactly what the in-universe science says (ME: Revelation chapter 8, ME: Initiation chapter 10). Of course the thing saw a lot more than us but it could very well have been programmed with a bad premise it never challenged. Were is it challenged in ME1 and were does it fall about by ME2? A pure synthetic creation like the Geth and someone getting some cybernetic replacements like Shepard are not even vaugly the same. A dropped subplot from ME1 is the evolution of the geth. It was said they were created as tin-can robots, in essence, but by the time of ME1 they have evolved into more organic forms, such as the hoppers. In-universe scientists are fascinated by these because they are geth-created designs and not based on anything the quarians built. Of-course, one might also regard the quarians themselves as countering the synthetic/organic divide because they are essentially cyborgs. More so than anyone else, anyway.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 4, 2020 0:59:09 GMT
I mean......Batman being an emotionally stunted man child is just all kinds of horribly unsatisfying on so many levels. And yet that is what Batman is at his core. It is the fact of the character as much as superman is an alien god among humanity. No normal healthy adult spends millions of dollars to dress up as a bat and beat up poor and mentally challenged individuals. Batman isn't Bruce's alter ego it is the reverse. He is so obsessive over stopping a similar event that if he could he would spend 100% of his time as Batman. As Bruce is simply the alter ego that he is forced to utilize to maintain his secrecy. The only way he knows how to reach out to other people and form a bond with them is literally finding other orphans and training them before sending them out to fight against thugs and other trigger happy criminals that literally want to beat/ shoot the kid in the face. Even the most basic inspection of Batman's mentality and actions shows he is literally a stunted man child that never grew past the point in his life were his parents were killed. And he even pulls young impressionable CHILDREN into this world and trains them as he replacements if he dies.
Batman is a man child. No amount of fancy gadgets or mary sue "I figured out the whole thing based on the scrap of cloth I saw" BS will ever change that.
You know.... I've always wanted to see The Punisher kick the Bats ass for putting kids in the crosshairs of his war against crime.
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Post by alanc9 on Mar 4, 2020 1:15:38 GMT
I kind of like the Batman expy in Soon I Will Be Invincible. Turns out Blackwolf is straight-up autistic, which helps to explain why his coping strategies are so limited.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 4, 2020 5:26:20 GMT
And yet that is what Batman is at his core. It is the fact of the character as much as superman is an alien god among humanity. No normal healthy adult spends millions of dollars to dress up as a bat and beat up poor and mentally challenged individuals. Batman isn't Bruce's alter ego it is the reverse. He is so obsessive over stopping a similar event that if he could he would spend 100% of his time as Batman. As Bruce is simply the alter ego that he is forced to utilize to maintain his secrecy. The only way he knows how to reach out to other people and form a bond with them is literally finding other orphans and training them before sending them out to fight against thugs and other trigger happy criminals that literally want to beat/ shoot the kid in the face. Even the most basic inspection of Batman's mentality and actions shows he is literally a stunted man child that never grew past the point in his life were his parents were killed. And he even pulls young impressionable CHILDREN into this world and trains them as he replacements if he dies.
Batman is a man child. No amount of fancy gadgets or mary sue "I figured out the whole thing based on the scrap of cloth I saw" BS will ever change that.
You know.... I've always wanted to see The Punisher kick the Bats ass for putting kids in the crosshairs of his war against crime. Oh there was a whole cross over comic were the Punisher goes after the Joker and Batman stops him. Letting the Joker go and threatening the Punisher that if he doesn't leave he will send him to prison. imgur.com/gallery/9IevK
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 4, 2020 5:36:24 GMT
You know.... I've always wanted to see The Punisher kick the Bats ass for putting kids in the crosshairs of his war against crime. Oh there was a whole cross over comic were the Punisher goes after the Joker and Batman stops him. Letting the Joker go and threatening the Punisher that if he doesn't leave he will send him to prison. imgur.com/gallery/9IevK And Bats was saved by the Comic Gods (so 🤬 typical). If The Punisher had really wanted to press the issue, he'd have killed both of them (hell, Bats is no better than the criminals he puts away. How many would die after Bats let the Joker go?)
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 4, 2020 5:40:37 GMT
Were is it challenged in ME1 and were does it fall about by ME2? A pure synthetic creation like the Geth and someone getting some cybernetic replacements like Shepard are not even vaugly the same. A dropped subplot from ME1 is the evolution of the geth. It was said they were created as tin-can robots, in essence, but by the time of ME1 they have evolved into more organic forms, such as the hoppers. In-universe scientists are fascinated by these because they are geth-created designs and not based on anything the quarians built. Of-course, one might also regard the quarians themselves as countering the synthetic/organic divide because they are essentially cyborgs. More so than anyone else, anyway. Organic can mean multiple things depending on the context of it. archive.artsmia.org/artists_toolkit/encyc_shapegeorganic.html The Geth making more organic forms (IE less square geometric shapes) isn't even vaugly the same as the Geth being organic life. And the ability to adapt and improve their shape is the basis for a synthetic life form to exist. Unlike organic life (humans) we are relegated to the shape of our body due to evolutionary restrictions. And even with surgery there are limits to how our bodies can be altered. Synthetic life however could shape their bodies how ever they want based on what they are trying to do.
In the case of Hoppers they literally combined a frog and a spider (or what ever their alien equivalents) into a perfect role for infiltration and cyber warfare to disrupt troops while hiding and running when spotted by leaping randomly.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 4, 2020 9:10:38 GMT
I mean......Batman being an emotionally stunted man child is just all kinds of horribly unsatisfying on so many levels. And yet that is what Batman is at his core. It is the fact of the character as much as superman is an alien god among humanity. No normal healthy adult spends millions of dollars to dress up as a bat and beat up poor and mentally challenged individuals. Batman isn't Bruce's alter ego it is the reverse. He is so obsessive over stopping a similar event that if he could he would spend 100% of his time as Batman. As Bruce is simply the alter ego that he is forced to utilize to maintain his secrecy. The only way he knows how to reach out to other people and form a bond with them is literally finding other orphans and training them before sending them out to fight against thugs and other trigger happy criminals that literally want to beat/ shoot the kid in the face. Even the most basic inspection of Batman's mentality and actions shows he is literally a stunted man child that never grew past the point in his life were his parents were killed. And he even pulls young impressionable CHILDREN into this world and trains them as he replacements if he dies.
Batman is a man child. No amount of fancy gadgets or mary sue "I figured out the whole thing based on the scrap of cloth I saw" BS will ever change that.
My basic point is that Snyder’s hyper-moody and intensely cynical interpretation is simply incompetent and unsatisfying. Thankfully, WB themselves seem to finally agree.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 4, 2020 13:44:16 GMT
And yet that is what Batman is at his core. It is the fact of the character as much as superman is an alien god among humanity. No normal healthy adult spends millions of dollars to dress up as a bat and beat up poor and mentally challenged individuals. Batman isn't Bruce's alter ego it is the reverse. He is so obsessive over stopping a similar event that if he could he would spend 100% of his time as Batman. As Bruce is simply the alter ego that he is forced to utilize to maintain his secrecy. The only way he knows how to reach out to other people and form a bond with them is literally finding other orphans and training them before sending them out to fight against thugs and other trigger happy criminals that literally want to beat/ shoot the kid in the face. Even the most basic inspection of Batman's mentality and actions shows he is literally a stunted man child that never grew past the point in his life were his parents were killed. And he even pulls young impressionable CHILDREN into this world and trains them as he replacements if he dies.
Batman is a man child. No amount of fancy gadgets or mary sue "I figured out the whole thing based on the scrap of cloth I saw" BS will ever change that.
My basic point is that Snyder’s hyper-moody and intensely cynical interpretation is simply incompetent and unsatisfying. Thankfully, WB themselves seem to finally agree. Actually it is very complete because that hyper-moody and intensely cynical is why Batman literally has plans to take down every single Justice League Member should they turn evil. Non moody, hyper cynical people do not make detailed plans to take down their friends as a just in case method. Particularly when those plans get stolen by Vandal Savage and tweaked slightly to kill said heroes. And almost succeeds in wiping out the entire Justice League because of Batman's plans. And are only stopped because Batman's Mary Sue powers are stronger then anything. As not even Bane knocking Bruce out and burying him 6 feet underground in a coffin (because Bruce didn't have a plan to stop himself) was able to stop Batman ignoring the physics of 6 feet of dirt to break and dig his way out. And then despite Vandal and the rest of the villains having several hour head start Batman is able to mary sue his way to save everyone on time. Because the time space continuum be dammed when Batman needs to do something.
Yes WB is going the route of the soulless corporate ran movies that have all the heart and soul of a dissected cadaver. Were characters can appear across multiple movies with no character growth and personalities and behaviors that alter for no rhyme or reason beyond they need them to act this teeth shatteringly stupid/hypocritical at this moment. Just like Marvel.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 4, 2020 14:29:41 GMT
My basic point is that Snyder’s hyper-moody and intensely cynical interpretation is simply incompetent and unsatisfying. Thankfully, WB themselves seem to finally agree. Actually it is very complete because that hyper-moody and intensely cynical is why Batman literally has plans to take down every single Justice League Member should they turn evil. Non moody, hyper cynical people do not make detailed plans to take down their friends as a just in case method. Particularly when those plans get stolen by Vandal Savage and tweaked slightly to kill said heroes. And almost succeeds in wiping out the entire Justice League because of Batman's plans. And are only stopped because Batman's Mary Sue powers are stronger then anything. As not even Bane knocking Bruce out and burying him 6 feet underground in a coffin (because Bruce didn't have a plan to stop himself) was able to stop Batman ignoring the physics of 6 feet of dirt to break and dig his way out. And then despite Vandal and the rest of the villains having several hour head start Batman is able to mary sue his way to save everyone on time. Because the time space continuum be dammed when Batman needs to do something.
Yes WB is going the route of the soulless corporate ran movies that have all the heart and soul of a dissected cadaver. Were characters can appear across multiple movies with no character growth and personalities and behaviors that alter for no rhyme or reason beyond they need them to act this teeth shatteringly stupid/hypocritical at this moment. Just like Marvel. Incompetent, not incomplete. I wouldn't describe Snyder's work in the DCEU thus far as being particularly competent. But as far as the hyper-moody cynicism goes, that's actually something I would expect of Batman. Throughout his numerous iterations, part of that was always a defining feature of the mythos. But, I'm not talking about Batman; I'm describing the DCEU's brand identity in general when this got kicked off. Aquaman was an attempt to get away from that, and had it not been for the lackluster script, this would have been a major change for the better, even with the corny CGI. The problem with dredging up comic storyline references is that they're not actually relevant to the movie iterations of the character. Like, if I were to discuss the Nolan version, any discussions about Robin or any other kids in the Bat family don't matter, because they simply do not exist here. Comic books are basically all over the place with various characters, different universes, and a multitude of writers that either reinvent for the better or totally destroy a character. Very little is particularly helpful when judging the movie version on its own merit. More than that, none of this helps the case for these terrible movies. As for Warner Bros.....going down the route? Let's not kid ourselves here. Warner Bros reached the end of that route a long time ago; they've been a soulless corporation for ages, pushing swill for cinema and having little understanding for what makes these particular types of films so popular. Their hold on the DC brand has produced little beyond mediocrity for a good number of years. No matter what anyone here or any of those tribal neckbeards on various forums might think, Marvel has a much better grasp of what actually endears these comic icons with people than WB/DC has for quite some time. Edit: It's becoming exceedingly difficult to justify this topic being relevant to Shepard's reprise in any new Mass Effect game.
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Post by sassafrassa on Mar 4, 2020 19:17:18 GMT
Organic can mean multiple things depending on the context of it Indeed. In this case the context is that the geth are evolving on their own to suit their environment, completely free of organic control.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 4, 2020 19:25:11 GMT
True, at the same time they're convincing us that the geth are so cool and innocent despite all their historical actions. You know, on the Simpsons, Nelson was first portrayed as a bully, who later became friends with some of the victims he had. I don't know if I'd call that inconsistent. Does the show tell us he did nothing wrong during his old times? The problem with the Catalyst is that its "organic-synthetic conflict" premise is a bit of babbling because the idea of a stiff distinction between organics and synthetics is challenged since ME1 and largely falls by ME2. Even if we assume it works for most practical purposes (sure) then a universal conflict is not exactly what we see and not exactly what the in-universe science says (ME: Revelation chapter 8, ME: Initiation chapter 10). Of course the thing saw a lot more than us but it could very well have been programmed with a bad premise it never challenged. Were is it challenged in ME1 and were does it fall about by ME2? A pure synthetic creation like the Geth and someone getting some cybernetic replacements like Shepard are not even vaugly the same. "Geth blur the line between organic and synthetic life" – Tali on the geth shrine on Feros. In ME2, we learn that the Reapers are actually organic-synthetic cores within synthetic shells. This means that even the main conflict (Reapers vs the galaxy) is not a case of an "organic-synthetic" conflict because the side previously considered synthetic… is not exactly. In addition, they target also synthetics (geth).
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 4, 2020 21:45:01 GMT
Oh there was a whole cross over comic were the Punisher goes after the Joker and Batman stops him. Letting the Joker go and threatening the Punisher that if he doesn't leave he will send him to prison. imgur.com/gallery/9IevK And Bats was saved by the Comic Gods (so 🤬 typical). If The Punisher had really wanted to press the issue, he'd have killed both of them (hell, Bats is no better than the criminals he puts away. How many would die after Bats let the Joker go?) Yeah the first year of injustice comics really showed how ridiculous batman was with that. Joker kills millions and destroys superman on a personal level and batman decides that getting joker away is more important. After his tenth escape from prison I think most people would be okay with batman killing joker. I only read the first year of injustice (kindle unlimited) but while it showed superman going down a dark path it made batman look like an idiot who just made things worse and then couldn't simply tell superman he...I won't give a spoiler but I really was annoyed by batman. I thought wonder woman was awesome in that and at the refugee camp really put things in percpective.
Given your opinion on batman I HIGHLY recommend you read the first year of injustice.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Mar 4, 2020 23:34:01 GMT
And Bats was saved by the Comic Gods (so 🤬 typical). If The Punisher had really wanted to press the issue, he'd have killed both of them (hell, Bats is no better than the criminals he puts away. How many would die after Bats let the Joker go?) Yeah the first year of injustice comics really showed how ridiculous batman was with that. Joker kills millions and destroys superman on a personal level and batman decides that getting joker away is more important. After his tenth escape from prison I think most people would be okay with batman killing joker. I only read the first year of injustice (kindle unlimited) but while it showed superman going down a dark path it made batman look like an idiot who just made things worse and then couldn't simply tell superman he...I won't give a spoiler but I really was annoyed by batman. I thought wonder woman was awesome in that and at the refugee camp really put things in percpective.
Given your opinion on batman I HIGHLY recommend you read the first year of injustice.
Actually, I have the first three volumes of Injustice Year One. I like it, and yeah, Bats was a freaking idiot. Had it been The Punisher, he would have helped talk Sups out of killing Joker by saying that if he kills him there will be no coming back from it. Then he would pull out a gun and give Sups a choice, he can kill him or the Punisher will.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2020 23:48:15 GMT
Does the show tell us he did nothing wrong during his old times? I don't think so.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Mar 5, 2020 0:07:40 GMT
You know, on the Simpsons, Nelson was first portrayed as a bully, who later became friends with some of the victims he had. I don't know if I'd call that inconsistent. Does the show tell us he did nothing wrong during his old times? Were is it challenged in ME1 and were does it fall about by ME2? A pure synthetic creation like the Geth and someone getting some cybernetic replacements like Shepard are not even vaugly the same. "Geth blur the line between organic and synthetic life" – Tali on the geth shrine on Feros. In ME2, we learn that the Reapers are actually organic-synthetic cores within synthetic shells. This means that even the main conflict (Reapers vs the galaxy) is not a case of an "organic-synthetic" conflict because the side previously considered synthetic… is not exactly. In addition, they target also synthetics (geth). A single line does not a game premise make. That is like pointing to the one line by Ash were she says "it is hard to tell the aliens form the animals" as the premise of the game is that the Alliance are hard core space racists. Particularly since the Geth are not worshiping an imaginary guy who lives in a kingdom of clouds and sunshine. The Geth in ME1 are worshiping the Reapers. A real race of super advanced synthetic life that came to the Geth and offered to uplift them if they served it. Trying to confuse that with faith based religions like Christianity or Islam is stupid because they are not the same. God has never manifested himself and lead the invasion of Normandy taking tank rounds to the face as he lead the charge wiping out everyone who stood against him with a single shot. Mean while the Geth lead by Sovereign did exactly that in ME1.
You fundamentally misunderstand the Synth vs. Organic conflict. The Reapers are not a part of that as they were created as a solution to said problem. Trying to point to the Reapers as if it disproves the theory is like pointing to vaccines and saying how it disproves the theory that small pox exist. The Reapers are the main antagonist of the series because they exist as massive reset buttons for the galaxy to prevent said conflict from happening. Specifically targeting advanced life beyond a certain technological advancement. However in acting as the galactic reset button the races targeted generally do not want to be reset so they fight.
In fact the entire premise was already shown with the Geth and Quarian conflict. the Quarians created Geth and advanced them enough that they became self aware. Hoping to stop them before they advanced anymore the Quarians launched an attack on them. However free of the Quarian's limitations the Geth advanced far more then the Quarians though they would. And thus lead a bloody war were they killed 90% of the Quarian population. And since the Morning War the Geth have advanced even more creating better technology and creative solutions to problems the Quarians never thought of. The Hopper being the perfect example of the Geth seeing a problem and coming up with their own advanced solution to it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 5, 2020 0:13:32 GMT
Too bad the hoppers went extinct by ME2.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 5, 2020 0:55:44 GMT
Yeah the first year of injustice comics really showed how ridiculous batman was with that. Joker kills millions and destroys superman on a personal level and batman decides that getting joker away is more important. After his tenth escape from prison I think most people would be okay with batman killing joker. I only read the first year of injustice (kindle unlimited) but while it showed superman going down a dark path it made batman look like an idiot who just made things worse and then couldn't simply tell superman he...I won't give a spoiler but I really was annoyed by batman. I thought wonder woman was awesome in that and at the refugee camp really put things in percpective.
Given your opinion on batman I HIGHLY recommend you read the first year of injustice.
Actually, I have the first three volumes of Injustice Year One. I like it, and yeah, Bats was a freaking idiot. Had it been The Punisher, he would have helped talk Sups out of killing Joker by saying that if he kills him there will be no coming back from it. Then he would pull out a gun and give Sups a choice, he can kill him or the Punisher will. Ah then I can say that the fact that batman didn't tell superman "hey I didn't know your parents were at the fortress at the time and when I did find out I left". Nope he lets superman think he was targeting his parents who had already been attacked. The writing on that part was sloppy. I felt that they were trying to make superman evil by killing so many bad guys but he seemed more like someone getting stuff done. I don't think superman could have been talked out of killing joker though. I mean there was no dialouge just all of a sudden joker's chest exploded. I do like the punisher he is a much more realistic hero in my opinion.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Mar 5, 2020 0:56:36 GMT
Too bad the hoppers went extinct by ME2. It's too bad because in ME2 the combat got really good and the hoppers would have been a good enemy to face.
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