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Post by smilesja on Mar 13, 2020 23:49:49 GMT
Why is Yongyea treated like some veriable source? He’s just reads stuff on the internet.
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Post by scalt on Mar 14, 2020 0:01:12 GMT
Yongyea couldn't care less if any game is good or bad. He just found a way to make money from riding the mob mentality.
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Post by marble on Mar 14, 2020 1:07:37 GMT
'Kay, but first you need to work on your reading comprehension, because these links you posted are ones that line up with the point I made in my first paragraph. Capish? But it doesn't change the facts that Anthem is the worst game aside from Andromeda that BioWare has ever made. The rest of your points are just your opinions. I can’t help but be amused at the irony in that your first statement is an opinion, and the second is a fact.
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Post by githcheater on Mar 14, 2020 2:16:15 GMT
Why are we still feeding the racist troll? Who??? You???
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Post by SomberXIII on Mar 14, 2020 2:21:13 GMT
Yongyea couldn't care less if any game is good or bad. He just found a way to make money from riding the mob mentality. Right? The irony is so strong but somehow they don’t feel it? They think EA and the companies are greedy capitalists eager to suck the money off the consumers. Aren’t folks like Yongyea capitalizing on the mobs in the same way? Earning money through transactions in return of making mobs feel validated by their own negative opinions.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Mar 14, 2020 2:26:56 GMT
Anthem and Andromeda were basically developed concurrently, and both suffered from similar issues in development. The fact that they were released two years apart changes nothing of it. Unless you have some good insider knowledge, I'd suggest waiting for DA4's reviews to drop in a couple of years before claiming Bioware hasn't learned from their mistakes. If it gets around Anthem scores or lower... shit, then you got my blessing to do so. But until then, please either be more tractable in your criticisms or don't say anything at all. To be fair, the only Bioware game that has scored well since ME2 is Inquisition. That's a pretty long stretch, showing they do have issues learning from their mistakes.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 14, 2020 7:26:56 GMT
Anthem and Andromeda were basically developed concurrently, and both suffered from similar issues in development. The fact that they were released two years apart changes nothing of it. Unless you have some good insider knowledge, I'd suggest waiting for DA4's reviews to drop in a couple of years before claiming Bioware hasn't learned from their mistakes. If it gets around Anthem scores or lower... shit, then you got my blessing to do so. But until then, please either be more tractable in your criticisms or don't say anything at all. To be fair, the only Bioware game that has scored well since ME2 is Inquisition. That's a pretty long stretch, showing they do have issues learning from their mistakes. Combine that with Bioware's constant tendency to hilariously over-correct any system folks complain about. Like for example, actually giving a shit about "making your game un-memeable". Because Andromeda was blasted with memes. I'm sorry but for me, that is a childish response to a childish problem. Memes are fucking dumb, and no professional company should give a damn weather or not there are mean memes about their game.
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Post by Little Bengel on Mar 14, 2020 10:05:19 GMT
Anthem and Andromeda were basically developed concurrently, and both suffered from similar issues in development. The fact that they were released two years apart changes nothing of it. Unless you have some good insider knowledge, I'd suggest waiting for DA4's reviews to drop in a couple of years before claiming Bioware hasn't learned from their mistakes. If it gets around Anthem scores or lower... shit, then you got my blessing to do so. But until then, please either be more tractable in your criticisms or don't say anything at all. To be fair, the only Bioware game that has scored well since ME2 is Inquisition. That's a pretty long stretch, showing they do have issues learning from their mistakes. ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_Effect_3#ReceptionGiven what I found here, you're, uh... gonna need to clarify what you mean by "scored well".
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 14, 2020 10:56:13 GMT
Why is Yongyea treated like some veriable source? He’s just reads stuff on the internet. I haven't touched his channel in two years and feel much better for it. He used to cover Metal Gear Solid, very capably, but then found that poking 'CoNtROvErSIEs' returned huge hits and that started his slide to the dark side.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 14, 2020 11:30:57 GMT
Why is Yongyea treated like some veriable source? He’s just reads stuff on the internet. You are correct, he is just a guy that reads stuff online. He is someone people can choose to go to in order to get information about things, rather than going to like 5 different websites to compare the information, he does that for you, and shows you the 5 different websites and what their saying. He says nothing out of the ordinary that other, more "respectable" outlets don't. The problem here, is no one around here wants to see things they disagree with. Everyone who visits this site lives in a bubble of their own making, and only want information that conforms to that bubble. Most outlets report on things that are not tinted with rainbows and happy things, therefor people who want positive and happy always dismiss it as not helpful. Like-wise in the other direction. Example, here is a Yong video from 17 hours ago. Literally all he is doing, is telling you, the audience, about things the "industry" is talking about. There is nothing clickbaity or trollish about this video. Here is another one from a week ago, talking about the well known fact that Breakpoint was a huge failure for Ubisoft. Again, talking about only facts and using official press releases as a source. I feel like people around here who keep shitting on this man either A, don't watch anything he makes and just assumes they know what he does. Or B, simply dislikes his opinions and dismiss him wholesale as a result. Either way, people need to stop acting like this man is nothing but a troll.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Mar 14, 2020 12:10:20 GMT
I flat-out do not understand the appeal of getting your gaming "news" from any youtube channel at all. I've never found one that could give me anything that I can't get faster just from reading the established games journalism websites, and jesus christ, their voices are all extremely fucking grating.
Like, hmmmm, do I want to spend five minutes reading an article by an experienced journalist with industry connections, or twenty listening to some charisma vacuum with the impressive qualification of owning a webcam mumble his way through a press release I already read yesterday?
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Post by scalt on Mar 14, 2020 13:18:11 GMT
Why is Yongyea treated like some veriable source? He’s just reads stuff on the internet. You are correct, he is just a guy that reads stuff online. He is someone people can choose to go to in order to get information about things, rather than going to like 5 different websites to compare the information, he does that for you, and shows you the 5 different websites and what their saying. He says nothing out of the ordinary that other, more "respectable" outlets don't. The problem here, is no one around here wants to see things they disagree with. Everyone who visits this site lives in a bubble of their own making, and only want information that conforms to that bubble. Most outlets report on things that are not tinted with rainbows and happy things, therefor people who want positive and happy always dismiss it as not helpful. Like-wise in the other direction. Example, here is a Yong video from 17 hours ago. Literally all he is doing, is telling you, the audience, about things the "industry" is talking about. There is nothing clickbaity or trollish about this video. Here is another one from a week ago, talking about the well known fact that Breakpoint was a huge failure for Ubisoft. Again, talking about only facts and using official press releases as a source. I feel like people around here who keep shitting on this man either A, don't watch anything he makes and just assumes they know what he does. Or B, simply dislikes his opinions and dismiss him wholesale as a result. Either way, people need to stop acting like this man is nothing but a troll. If you say so, then why there aren't at least 5 videos at his chanel, criticizing the management chaos happening in CDPR, which led to 2 delays of the cyberpunk game and also the crunch happening there? He have only 2 videos defending CDPR for this 2 points. Imagine if instead of CDPR there was BW. Yeah he isn't troll, he is a hypocrite.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 14, 2020 13:26:26 GMT
Why is Yongyea treated like some veriable source? He’s just reads stuff on the internet. You are correct, he is just a guy that reads stuff online. He is someone people can choose to go to in order to get information about things, rather than going to like 5 different websites to compare the information, he does that for you, and shows you the 5 different websites and what their saying. He says nothing out of the ordinary that other, more "respectable" outlets don't. The problem here, is no one around here wants to see things they disagree with. Everyone who visits this site lives in a bubble of their own making, and only want information that conforms to that bubble. Most outlets report on things that are not tinted with rainbows and happy things, therefor people who want positive and happy always dismiss it as not helpful. Like-wise in the other direction. Example, here is a Yong video from 17 hours ago. Literally all he is doing, is telling you, the audience, about things the "industry" is talking about. There is nothing clickbaity or trollish about this video. Here is another one from a week ago, talking about the well known fact that Breakpoint was a huge failure for Ubisoft. Again, talking about only facts and using official press releases as a source. I feel like people around here who keep shitting on this man either A, don't watch anything he makes and just assumes they know what he does. Or B, simply dislikes his opinions and dismiss him wholesale as a result. Either way, people need to stop acting like this man is nothing but a troll. That’s the thing, it’s the laziest form of producing a YouTube video. There’s nothing special or creative about it. It’s just hopping on the latest hate bandwagon for views. If I want to read the news, I’ll read the news without being swayed by some Youtuber. And it’s pretty funny how you mention that people visit this site live a bubble and only listen to news sources that confirm that bubble. THAT’S pretty much my problem with people like Yongyea and many Youtubers in general. They only confirm news sources to confirm to their bubble.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Mar 14, 2020 15:51:17 GMT
I agree that Yong has resorted to just reciting articles he's found but his reviews are actually pretty good. For better commentary on games go with Skill Up or ACG. Also, this notion that they can't be professional or don't have industry connection is flat out wrong as devs and publishers frequently work with them. Just like professional journos, some are bad at their jobs and some are good.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 14, 2020 17:11:35 GMT
You are correct, he is just a guy that reads stuff online. He is someone people can choose to go to in order to get information about things, rather than going to like 5 different websites to compare the information, he does that for you, and shows you the 5 different websites and what their saying. He says nothing out of the ordinary that other, more "respectable" outlets don't. The problem here, is no one around here wants to see things they disagree with. Everyone who visits this site lives in a bubble of their own making, and only want information that conforms to that bubble. Most outlets report on things that are not tinted with rainbows and happy things, therefor people who want positive and happy always dismiss it as not helpful. Like-wise in the other direction. Example, here is a Yong video from 17 hours ago. Literally all he is doing, is telling you, the audience, about things the "industry" is talking about. There is nothing clickbaity or trollish about this video. Here is another one from a week ago, talking about the well known fact that Breakpoint was a huge failure for Ubisoft. Again, talking about only facts and using official press releases as a source. I feel like people around here who keep shitting on this man either A, don't watch anything he makes and just assumes they know what he does. Or B, simply dislikes his opinions and dismiss him wholesale as a result. Either way, people need to stop acting like this man is nothing but a troll. If you say so, then why there aren't at least 5 videos at his chanel, criticizing the management chaos happening in CDPR, which led to 2 delays of the cyberpunk game and also the crunch happening there? He have only 2 videos defending CDPR for this 2 points. Imagine if instead of CDPR there was BW. Yeah he isn't troll, he is a hypocrite. I mean, of course he is. Everyone is really. No one shits on their "sacred cow". people around here are no different. Every day I come here and see people defend the most ridiculous nonsense just because it's something they enjoy. Or likewise defend the most abjectly stupid take possible because it conforms to the sacred cow their pushing instead. Everyone does this, it's a flaw of humanity to be so heavily biased about things.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2020 17:18:35 GMT
If you say so, then why there aren't at least 5 videos at his chanel, criticizing the management chaos happening in CDPR, which led to 2 delays of the cyberpunk game and also the crunch happening there? He have only 2 videos defending CDPR for this 2 points. Imagine if instead of CDPR there was BW. Yeah he isn't troll, he is a hypocrite. I mean, of course he is. Everyone is really. No one shits on their "sacred cow". people around here are no different. Every day I come here and see people defend the most ridiculous nonsense just because it's something they enjoy. Or likewise defend the most abjectly stupid take possible because it conforms to the sacred cow their pushing instead. Everyone does this, it's a flaw of humanity to be so heavily biased about things. Except people here don’t say they are journalists. If that’s what Yongyea is claiming to be, then he has to drop his biases and be objective. Otherwise he loses all credibility.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 14, 2020 17:29:24 GMT
You are correct, he is just a guy that reads stuff online. He is someone people can choose to go to in order to get information about things, rather than going to like 5 different websites to compare the information, he does that for you, and shows you the 5 different websites and what their saying. He says nothing out of the ordinary that other, more "respectable" outlets don't. The problem here, is no one around here wants to see things they disagree with. Everyone who visits this site lives in a bubble of their own making, and only want information that conforms to that bubble. Most outlets report on things that are not tinted with rainbows and happy things, therefor people who want positive and happy always dismiss it as not helpful. Like-wise in the other direction. Example, here is a Yong video from 17 hours ago. Literally all he is doing, is telling you, the audience, about things the "industry" is talking about. There is nothing clickbaity or trollish about this video. Here is another one from a week ago, talking about the well known fact that Breakpoint was a huge failure for Ubisoft. Again, talking about only facts and using official press releases as a source. I feel like people around here who keep shitting on this man either A, don't watch anything he makes and just assumes they know what he does. Or B, simply dislikes his opinions and dismiss him wholesale as a result. Either way, people need to stop acting like this man is nothing but a troll. That’s the thing, it’s the laziest form of producing a YouTube video. There’s nothing special or creative about it. It’s just hopping on the latest hate bandwagon for views. If I want to read the news, I’ll read the news without being swayed by some Youtuber. And it’s pretty funny how you mention that people visit this site live a bubble and only listen to news sources that confirm that bubble. THAT’S pretty much my problem with people like Yongyea and many Youtubers in general. They only confirm news sources to confirm to their bubble. I didn't claim it was creative, or was difficult work. Simply pointing out the fact he is not "just a hateful troll". Because he makes many videos with entirely neutral points of view. Also as I said, everyone lives in their bubble. haters and defenders alike. Everyone avoids points of view they disagree with. No one compromises or changes their mind. Everyone wants it their way. That is just the reality of the world we now live in. All of the official websites are just like Yong and all the other guys like him. They all have their own agendas, their own messages they want to push. Like journalists who constantly bitch and complain about Ubisoft games NOT being political. Not making dramatic statements about reality. But of course, it's difficult to direct scoffs and indignation at a faceless collective of people like a website like GQ, or Kotaku. It's very easy and simple to do so at an individual, like Yong Yea or Jason Schreier, who in the case of the latter is constantly proving to have correct and solid sources and information. But constantly gets flak because he goes after people who constantly say he is a hack.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 14, 2020 17:36:06 GMT
I mean, of course he is. Everyone is really. No one shits on their "sacred cow". people around here are no different. Every day I come here and see people defend the most ridiculous nonsense just because it's something they enjoy. Or likewise defend the most abjectly stupid take possible because it conforms to the sacred cow their pushing instead. Everyone does this, it's a flaw of humanity to be so heavily biased about things. Except people here don’t say they are journalists. If that’s what Yongyea is claiming to be, then he has to drop his biases and be objective. Otherwise he loses all credibility. I could be wrong, but I don't think he himself has ever claimed to be a "journalist". He is however, a beginner voice actor. Hes just some random shmuck who makes videos about games and gives his opinions when reading articles or tweets. Hes made personal review videos for games, but I don't personally think making personal reviews makes someone a journalist. otherwise everyone here would be as well.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 14, 2020 17:41:48 GMT
That’s the thing, it’s the laziest form of producing a YouTube video. There’s nothing special or creative about it. It’s just hopping on the latest hate bandwagon for views. If I want to read the news, I’ll read the news without being swayed by some Youtuber. And it’s pretty funny how you mention that people visit this site live a bubble and only listen to news sources that confirm that bubble. THAT’S pretty much my problem with people like Yongyea and many Youtubers in general. They only confirm news sources to confirm to their bubble. I didn't claim it was creative, or was difficult work. Simply pointing out the fact he is not "just a hateful troll". Because he makes many videos with entirely neutral points of view. Also as I said, everyone lives in their bubble. haters and defenders alike. Everyone avoids points of view they disagree with. No one compromises or changes their mind. Everyone wants it their way. That is just the reality of the world we now live in. All of the official websites are just like Yong and all the other guys like him. They all have their own agendas, their own messages they want to push. Like journalists who constantly bitch and complain about Ubisoft games NOT being political. Not making dramatic statements about reality. But of course, it's difficult to direct scoffs and indignation at a faceless collective of people like a website like GQ, or Kotaku. It's very easy and simple to do so at an individual, like Yong Yea or Jason Schreier, who in the case of the latter is constantly proving to have correct and solid sources and information. But constantly gets flak because he goes after people who constantly say he is a hack. I never said he was a Troll, I feel he's a biased Youtuber who is just riding whatever hate wave his audience is falling. As much as I don't have any love for Jason for how he attacked BSN at least he's actual journalist with links to the industry.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Mar 14, 2020 17:53:15 GMT
I didn't claim it was creative, or was difficult work. Simply pointing out the fact he is not "just a hateful troll". Because he makes many videos with entirely neutral points of view. Also as I said, everyone lives in their bubble. haters and defenders alike. Everyone avoids points of view they disagree with. No one compromises or changes their mind. Everyone wants it their way. That is just the reality of the world we now live in. All of the official websites are just like Yong and all the other guys like him. They all have their own agendas, their own messages they want to push. Like journalists who constantly bitch and complain about Ubisoft games NOT being political. Not making dramatic statements about reality. But of course, it's difficult to direct scoffs and indignation at a faceless collective of people like a website like GQ, or Kotaku. It's very easy and simple to do so at an individual, like Yong Yea or Jason Schreier, who in the case of the latter is constantly proving to have correct and solid sources and information. But constantly gets flak because he goes after people who constantly say he is a hack. I never said he was a Troll, I feel he's a biased Youtuber who is just riding whatever hate wave his audience is falling. As much as I don't have any love for Jason for how he attacked BSN at least he's actual journalist with links to the industry. Or maybe, he simply attracts like minded people to him? The man has a million subscribers, good or bad. Just like millions of people watch Fox News, or MSNBC, or whatever. People flock to sources they are more inclined to agree with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 14, 2020 18:19:57 GMT
Except people here don’t say they are journalists. If that’s what Yongyea is claiming to be, then he has to drop his biases and be objective. Otherwise he loses all credibility. I could be wrong, but I don't think he himself has ever claimed to be a "journalist". He is however, a beginner voice actor. Hes just some random shmuck who makes videos about games and gives his opinions when reading articles or tweets. Hes made personal review videos for games, but I don't personally think making personal reviews makes someone a journalist. otherwise everyone here would be as well. I'm assuming his videos are monetized, which means he is doing it as a profession which I would say crosses the line from being just a person making reviews to being a professional critic/journalist. In which case, that objectivity needs to exist.
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Post by smilesja on Mar 14, 2020 18:31:15 GMT
I could be wrong, but I don't think he himself has ever claimed to be a "journalist". He is however, a beginner voice actor. Hes just some random shmuck who makes videos about games and gives his opinions when reading articles or tweets. Hes made personal review videos for games, but I don't personally think making personal reviews makes someone a journalist. otherwise everyone here would be as well. I'm assuming his videos are monetized, which means he is doing it as a profession which I would say crosses the line from being just a person making reviews to being a professional critic/journalist. In which case, that objectivity needs to exist. I mean considering that there are some who look to him as a legitimate source, some objectivity is needed. Haven't seen much from him lately.
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Post by revelationeffect on Mar 14, 2020 20:17:24 GMT
If you say so, then why there aren't at least 5 videos at his chanel, criticizing the management chaos happening in CDPR, which led to 2 delays of the cyberpunk game and also the crunch happening there? He have only 2 videos defending CDPR for this 2 points. Imagine if instead of CDPR there was BW. Yeah he isn't troll, he is a hypocrite. I mean, of course he is. Everyone is really. No one shits on their "sacred cow". people around here are no different. Every day I come here and see people defend the most ridiculous nonsense just because it's something they enjoy. Or likewise defend the most abjectly stupid take possible because it conforms to the sacred cow their pushing instead. Everyone does this, it's a flaw of humanity to be so heavily biased about things. I'm going to point out here that there is a big difference between defending a game itself and defending massive crunch. I can't recall seeing many people here defending the well-documented clusterfucks that have characterized Bioware's output for some time now, regardless of how they feel about the games themselves, for instance. Especially when someone has a large platform like that, it's incredibly irresponsible and shitty to be defending horrible work practices that are hurting lots of people because you enjoy the products said company produces. So I'd say that goes a little beyond your garden-variety controversial video game takes into behavior that contributes to a culture that is actively detrimental to people working in the industry and is a lot more worth calling out than say "someone has a different opinion about the content of a video game".
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Post by SofaJockey on Mar 14, 2020 20:30:18 GMT
people need to stop acting like this man is nothing but a troll. Perhaps his content has changed. When I used to watch, it was cynical and nasty clickbait without soul or merit. Some of the pond life that occupied the comments thread were worse, but I guess you reap what you sow. If he's turned it around, then good for him, but there's been too much scum under the bridge for me personally to revisit his channel.
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