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Post by witchcocktor on May 20, 2020 6:55:11 GMT
God I really hope they kill the Inquisitor. I hope they kill Solas too. Is there a specific reason why you want to see Inquisitor die?
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 20, 2020 10:16:24 GMT
God I really hope they kill the Inquisitor. I hope they kill Solas too. Is there a specific reason why you want to see Inquisitor die? Because I don't want the next game to be about stopping Solas or anything to do with the veil at all, and I have no interest in replaying the Inquisitor or dealing with basically any of the Inquisition characters, or being in charge of the Inquisition, and the best and most efficient way to put all that to bed would be to immediately kill them. I don't really like the focus they put on returning DA characters as it is. We already DID a whole game about stopping an ancient evil wizard from interfering with the metaphysical barrier between the material and spiritual worlds, I really, genuinely, deeply do not understand why so many people here are in such a hurry to do that again. If we HAVE to deal with more veil nonsense, and I'd rather not, then what I want is for the game to open with Solas performing the ritual to bring down the veil, for the Inquisitor to attempt to interrupt it, fail and die, for the veil to come down, and for the Evanuris to be unleashed and kill Solas for betraying them before starting their campaign to enslave the world. Hell, I'd even set the game years later, after the Evanuris have already taken over Thedas, and have the whole Solas/Inquisitor drama filled in as backstory, or even just a codex entry.
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Post by Frost on May 20, 2020 12:46:11 GMT
Is there a specific reason why you want to see Inquisitor die? Because I don't want the next game to be about stopping Solas or anything to do with the veil at all, and I have no interest in replaying the Inquisitor or dealing with basically any of the Inquisition characters, or being in charge of the Inquisition, and the best and most efficient way to put all that to bed would be to immediately kill them. I don't really like the focus they put on returning DA characters as it is. We already DID a whole game about stopping about stopping an ancient evil wizard from interfering with the metaphysical barrier between the material and spiritual worlds, I really, genuinely, deeply do not understand why so many people here are in such a hurry to do that again. If we HAVE to deal with more veil nonsense, and I'd rather not, then what I want is for the game to open with Solas performing the ritual to bring down the veil, for the Inquisitor to attempt to interrupt it, fail and die, for the veil to come down, and for the Evanuris to be unleashed and kill Solas for betraying them before starting their campaign to enslave the world. Hell, I'd even set the game years later, after the Evanuris have already taken over Thedas, and have the whole Solas/Inquisitor drama filled in as backstory, or even just a codex entry. With Solas in DA4 I am looking forward to having an intelligent and hopefully more personal antagonist. To me that is the opposite of Corypheus, who even down to his voice, was a generic monster-type villain.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 20, 2020 13:04:21 GMT
Because I don't want the next game to be about stopping Solas or anything to do with the veil at all, and I have no interest in replaying the Inquisitor or dealing with basically any of the Inquisition characters, or being in charge of the Inquisition, and the best and most efficient way to put all that to bed would be to immediately kill them. I don't really like the focus they put on returning DA characters as it is. We already DID a whole game about stopping about stopping an ancient evil wizard from interfering with the metaphysical barrier between the material and spiritual worlds, I really, genuinely, deeply do not understand why so many people here are in such a hurry to do that again. If we HAVE to deal with more veil nonsense, and I'd rather not, then what I want is for the game to open with Solas performing the ritual to bring down the veil, for the Inquisitor to attempt to interrupt it, fail and die, for the veil to come down, and for the Evanuris to be unleashed and kill Solas for betraying them before starting their campaign to enslave the world. Hell, I'd even set the game years later, after the Evanuris have already taken over Thedas, and have the whole Solas/Inquisitor drama filled in as backstory, or even just a codex entry. With Solas in DA4 I am looking forward to having an intelligent and hopefully more personal antagonist. To me that is the opposite of Corypheus, who even down to his voice, was a generic monster-type villain. "This time the villain is smarter" strikes me as a poor excuse for doing the exact same plot over again. Besides, if Corypheus is "unintelligent", it's because the writers made him that way. Why would Solas be any better? If the writers were capable of writing an intelligent villain all along, then they should have made Corypheus intelligent in the first place. As for "personal", well, the term itself implies that that's really up to individual players. I already said I don't care about Solas or the Inquisitor, so it's not "personal" for me at all.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2020 17:13:11 GMT
Is there a specific reason why you want to see Inquisitor die? Because I don't want the next game to be about stopping Solas or anything to do with the veil at all, and I have no interest in replaying the Inquisitor or dealing with basically any of the Inquisition characters, or being in charge of the Inquisition, and the best and most efficient way to put all that to bed would be to immediately kill them. I don't really like the focus they put on returning DA characters as it is. We already DID a whole game about stopping an ancient evil wizard from interfering with the metaphysical barrier between the material and spiritual worlds, I really, genuinely, deeply do not understand why so many people here are in such a hurry to do that again. If we HAVE to deal with more veil nonsense, and I'd rather not, then what I want is for the game to open with Solas performing the ritual to bring down the veil, for the Inquisitor to attempt to interrupt it, fail and die, for the veil to come down, and for the Evanuris to be unleashed and kill Solas for betraying them before starting their campaign to enslave the world. Hell, I'd even set the game years later, after the Evanuris have already taken over Thedas, and have the whole Solas/Inquisitor drama filled in as backstory, or even just a codex entry. I'm thankful you aren't part of the writing team, since that sounds awful.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 21, 2020 18:30:59 GMT
How many times do we have to save Thedas from something? I am really tired of this generic story plot. Its boring and we all know that Solas like Corypheus before can´t win. So what´s the point?
I would rather have a much bigger focus on Tevinter Qunari war or The Grey Warden civil war for DA 4 but of course we have to deal with Solas at the end of DA 4 because he wants to destroy the world again.
DA 5: Something wants to destroy Thedas DA 6: Something wants to destroy Thedas DA 7: Something wants to destroy Thedas DA 8: Personal story (hopeful thinking but its more likely Something wants to destroy Thedas. DA 9: Something wants to destroy Thedas
I also don´t care if the Inquisitor is back because for me it doesn´t matter who stops another Madman at the end.
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 21, 2020 18:43:53 GMT
DA 5: Something wants to destroy Thedas and it is a mage's faultDA 6: Something wants to destroy Thedas and it is a mage's faultDA 7: Something wants to destroy Thedas and it is a mage's faultDA 8: Personal story (hopeful thinking but its more likely Something wants to destroy Thedas , and it is a mage's faultDA 9: Something wants to destroy Thedas and it is a mage's faultMade a slight correction, as I'm rather tired of the "shoot the mage, because evil mage destroys all" cliché. The Chantry/templar/circle fans are becoming exccedingly insufferable as well as a result.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 22, 2020 3:07:06 GMT
Because I don't want the next game to be about stopping Solas or anything to do with the veil at all, and I have no interest in replaying the Inquisitor or dealing with basically any of the Inquisition characters, or being in charge of the Inquisition, and the best and most efficient way to put all that to bed would be to immediately kill them. I don't really like the focus they put on returning DA characters as it is. We already DID a whole game about stopping an ancient evil wizard from interfering with the metaphysical barrier between the material and spiritual worlds, I really, genuinely, deeply do not understand why so many people here are in such a hurry to do that again. If we HAVE to deal with more veil nonsense, and I'd rather not, then what I want is for the game to open with Solas performing the ritual to bring down the veil, for the Inquisitor to attempt to interrupt it, fail and die, for the veil to come down, and for the Evanuris to be unleashed and kill Solas for betraying them before starting their campaign to enslave the world. Hell, I'd even set the game years later, after the Evanuris have already taken over Thedas, and have the whole Solas/Inquisitor drama filled in as backstory, or even just a codex entry. I'm thankful you aren't part of the writing team, since that sounds awful. I already knew that you and everyone else with an unreasonable attachment to the Inquisitor and Solas would hate it. I wasn't trying to mollify you, I was outlining a premise I would find more tolerable. I don't really care that other people would hate it, I'm well aware by now that my personal taste doesn't line up with most other BioWare fans, whose entire deal is wanting the exact same thing over and over again. The series was originally marketed as the history of a whole world, not the Chronicles of Special Specialface. Not to mention, a story that relies on knowledge of a previous entry that will be 7-9 years old at least is just going to alienate the new audience they need to attract to sustain the future of the series. Especially since EA is so apparently deadset against remasters, meaning not only will younger people not have played the previous games, but playing them will not even be an option for people who, for whatever reason, are unable to play on PC.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2020 4:04:46 GMT
I'm thankful you aren't part of the writing team, since that sounds awful. I already knew that you and everyone else with an unreasonable attachment to the Inquisitor and Solas would hate it. I wasn't trying to mollify you, I was outlining a premise I would find more tolerable. I don't really care that other people would hate it, I'm well aware by now that my personal taste doesn't line up with most other BioWare fans, whose entire deal is wanting the exact same thing over and over again. The series was originally marketed as the history of a whole world, not the Chronicles of Special Specialface. Not to mention, a story that relies on knowledge of a previous entry that will be 7-9 years old at least is just going to alienate the new audience they need to attract to sustain the future of the series. Especially since EA is so apparently deadset against remasters, meaning not only will younger people not have played the previous games, but playing them will not even be an option for people who, for whatever reason, are unable to play on PC. Unreasonable? Oh yeah, how dare I want them to finish the story they started after unraveling the previous one.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 22, 2020 5:59:02 GMT
I already knew that you and everyone else with an unreasonable attachment to the Inquisitor and Solas would hate it. I wasn't trying to mollify you, I was outlining a premise I would find more tolerable. I don't really care that other people would hate it, I'm well aware by now that my personal taste doesn't line up with most other BioWare fans, whose entire deal is wanting the exact same thing over and over again. The series was originally marketed as the history of a whole world, not the Chronicles of Special Specialface. Not to mention, a story that relies on knowledge of a previous entry that will be 7-9 years old at least is just going to alienate the new audience they need to attract to sustain the future of the series. Especially since EA is so apparently deadset against remasters, meaning not only will younger people not have played the previous games, but playing them will not even be an option for people who, for whatever reason, are unable to play on PC. Unreasonable? Oh yeah, how dare I want them to finish the story they started after unraveling the previous one. The series has a ton of unfinished plotlines, it wouldn't be news.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 22, 2020 6:21:52 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series?
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 22, 2020 10:20:08 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series? The gay shit.
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Post by witchcocktor on May 22, 2020 11:03:07 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series? The gay shit. Ooo I felt that.
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Post by Frost on May 22, 2020 13:20:23 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series? He likes trolling.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 22, 2020 14:01:06 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series? He likes trolling. Cause you have no complaints, right?
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Post by Gwydden on May 22, 2020 16:03:02 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series? To be fair, he never claimed to be a jolly panda. I agree with him, however. The Inquisitor coming back would instantly kill any interest I might have in DA4, and the smaller Solas' role in the game the better. Since counting on the number of fans for a 2014 game the general public seems to have entirely forgotten about strikes me as ill advised, they're probably better off making DA4 as much of a standalone experience as possible. If they wanted a direct sequel to DA:I, they should have tried releasing it within the same decade.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 22, 2020 16:54:34 GMT
pessimistpanda I've seen many posts from you over the years and the majority are negative outside of your mentioning that the Anders romance was perfect for you. What do you actually like about the series? To be fair, he never claimed to be a jolly panda. I agree with him, however. The Inquisitor coming back would instantly kill any interest I might have in DA4, and the smaller Solas' role in the game the better. Since counting on the number of fans for a 2014 game the general public seems to have entirely forgotten about strikes me as ill advised, they're probably better off making DA4 as much of a standalone experience as possible. If they wanted a direct sequel to DA:I, they should have tried releasing it within the same decade. Meanwhile the Inquisitor not coming back instantly kills any interest I might have in DA4. Why bother buying their products if they aren’t going to have complete stories anymore?
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Post by gervaise21 on May 22, 2020 17:20:24 GMT
Why bother buying their products if they aren’t going to have complete stories anymore? Actually incomplete stories seems to go with the series: The Warden story seemed almost tied off at the end of Awakening, then at the end of DA2 they have mysteriously disappeared and then they explain this in DAI by sending them off on a wild goose chase for some mythical cure for the Blight that they have somehow learned might be off somewhere west of Thedas. Then at the end of DAI the majority of Wardens (if not dead at the end of DAO) are still floating around out there but if they were in a romance with Leliana they are back with her in happy retirement but still nothing is said about the success or otherwise of their mission. Hawke's story, if you don't abandon them in the Fade, has them heading up to Weishauppt to report about the Wardens. There are hints of something sinister happening at Warden HQ (although no evidence of this in the novel The Last Flight) but this is never taken any further (unless this is going to be a sub-plot in DA4). Then in Trespasser we ask Varric about Hawke and he implies he doesn't know (although it wouldn't be the first time he has been evasive about this) but in the epilogue Hawke is back with him in Kirkwall helping run things, with still no explanation of what they have been doing in the intervening 2 years since we last saw them. Then they maintained that Trespasser was tying off the Inquisitor's story, though I feel they made a poor job of it if that was meant to be the case but leaving us dangling would be consistent with what they have done with our previous heroes. I also wonder if many of those plotlines in Tevinter Nights were originally meant to be part of DA4 before it was rebooted and so rather than waste them completely, the writers used them in short stories instead. Nevertheless, I have no doubts that DA4 is going to be primarily about Solas. I always felt that Trespasser was really just a gigantic trailer for the next game and the Dread Wolf Rising teaser seemed to confirm it. What I hope, though, is that it does bring his story to a satisfactory conclusion and we aren't left dangling a second time at the end of the game.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on May 22, 2020 17:40:06 GMT
To be fair, he never claimed to be a jolly panda. I agree with him, however. The Inquisitor coming back would instantly kill any interest I might have in DA4, and the smaller Solas' role in the game the better. Since counting on the number of fans for a 2014 game the general public seems to have entirely forgotten about strikes me as ill advised, they're probably better off making DA4 as much of a standalone experience as possible. If they wanted a direct sequel to DA:I, they should have tried releasing it within the same decade. I believe that many people want a Dragon Age Inquisition 2 / Trespasser 2 but besides the Trespasser DLC every Dragon Age game or DLC have self contained stories where the player don´t have to play the others before.
Of course if the player had played the other games / dlc where are references like returning characters.
And you have a great argument in that many years have passed since DAI. So yeah they can´t possible make a direct sequel
with same hero after 8-10 years. The DA 4 story must work for newplayers and even players who haven´t played Trespasser.
And lets not forget the pure DAO fans which haven´t touch a DA game since Witch Hunt but after all these years are atleast curious to play a DA game again.
Last but not least are every player okay to play as disabled hero. I have no problems with that but to be honest
i really don´t want to start at Level 1 as Inquisitor and losing all the powers & the chosen specification
or do minor stuff like finding a ring (DAI classic ) or slaying rats.
I would prefer if the Inquisitor only show up at the End when the Solas confrontation takes places. We don´t need him/her for the whole game.
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Post by TabithaTH on May 22, 2020 17:43:03 GMT
I really hope we get some answers to what happened at Weisshaupt and preferably it's not 'just' something political.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 22, 2020 18:31:07 GMT
Heh fair enough. To be fair, he never claimed to be a jolly panda. Then his avatar is false advertising!
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Post by Frost on May 22, 2020 19:07:46 GMT
To be fair, he never claimed to be a jolly panda. I agree with him, however. The Inquisitor coming back would instantly kill any interest I might have in DA4, and the smaller Solas' role in the game the better. Since counting on the number of fans for a 2014 game the general public seems to have entirely forgotten about strikes me as ill advised, they're probably better off making DA4 as much of a standalone experience as possible. If they wanted a direct sequel to DA:I, they should have tried releasing it within the same decade. Not forgotten! In the IGN poll DA4 is currently tied for 2nd for game you are most excited to play in 2021. Anyways, it would just be adding insult to injury to make us wait 1 million years between releasing games and then say all current plotlines must be left hanging because they took 1 million years between games.
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Post by Frost on May 22, 2020 19:33:12 GMT
The Warden story seemed almost tied off at the end of Awakening, then at the end of DA2 they have mysteriously disappeared and then they explain this in DAI by sending them off on a wild goose chase for some mythical cure for the Blight that they have somehow learned might be off somewhere west of Thedas. Then at the end of DAI the majority of Wardens (if not dead at the end of DAO) are still floating around out there but if they were in a romance with Leliana they are back with her in happy retirement but still nothing is said about the success or otherwise of their mission. I picked US for Origins, so I didn't have any loose ends with the Warden. It made Awakening a headache, though. What I didn't like is how they handled concluding the mage-templar war in DAI. I thought it was very abrupt and anticlimactic. I hope they don't do something like that with the Solas plot.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 22, 2020 21:17:07 GMT
What I didn't like is how they handled concluding the mage-templar war in DAI. Well that was another case where they didn't follow through with the original plot from DA2. Instead they brought out a novel to explain why Hawke (and Anders) were no longer involved or considered important with that conflict and instead linked Hawke to Corypheus and the Grey Wardens. One thing that really annoyed me about that was when Hawke is made to say they feel responsible for Corypheus. Why should they? It was perfectly clear it was a mess that the Grey Wardens had created and Hawke was pulled into because of the way they had blackmailed Malcolm Hawke. Meanwhile, if you hadn't read any of the novels but only played the games, you'd be asking yourself who is this Fiona and why is she leading the mage rebellion? I agree that they didn't really do the mage/Templar conflict justice and please don't get me started on that whole time travel debacle to explain why Fiona sold out the mages to Alexius after we had agreed to go see her in Redcliffe. They also ignored all the events of Awakening, whichever Warden had been involved, because Clarel never had jurisdiction in Ferelden, so why was she writing to Teagan (instead of the King/Queen) to ask for admittance when there was already an established Warden base in the country by authorisation of the monarch, and when Leliana wanted to find out what was up with them, her first port of call should have been Vigil's Keep.
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Post by Frost on May 22, 2020 21:32:09 GMT
Meanwhile, if you hadn't read any of the novels but only played the games, you'd be asking yourself who is this Fiona and why is she leading the mage rebellion? I agree that they didn't really do the mage/Templar conflict justice and please don't get me started on that whole time travel debacle to explain why Fiona sold out the mages to Alexius after we had agreed to go see her in Redcliffe. Yes, I never read the novels.
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