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Post by Highwayman667 on May 26, 2020 16:30:43 GMT
Theres a difference between not being able to stop something and being forced to fail. With Anders, why can’t we confront him about it? If we tried having him arrested or killed and he makes himself escape not to be seen again until he commits his mass murder that’s fine, but not being able to do anything is not. With Leandra, why do we have to wait until night to start the search? Who would give a serial killer an extra day with their mom before beginning the search? I fully understand your point, and I think those are legitimate grievances that one can have with DA2. But that's the story Bioware was aiming to tell: A story in which the hero is sometimes incapable of stopping the death of innocents. Would I have agreed with the possibility of trying to disuade Anders from committing that attack ? I think I would've, then again by having a scene where you're trying to convince Anders to do the right thing you would've spoiled the surprise of the attack on the chantry. And to my personal taste, no matter what your efforts might be, the chantry would have to be destroyed. I think it was okay that there was no way to save it. That's my opinion at least. Same for Leandra, we could've tweaked the details a bit but I think the story developed much better with her death.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on May 26, 2020 18:42:38 GMT
In DA4 I want a MC that will have the amount of choice & impact of The Warden "Dragon Age Origins/Awakening" & Geralt of Rivia "Witcher 3".Give me my damn choices back BioWare seriously.🤬
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 27, 2020 1:37:27 GMT
In DA4 I want a MC that will have the amount of choice & impact of The Warden "Dragon Age Origins/Awakening" & Geralt of Rivia "Witcher 3".Give me my damn choices back BioWare seriously.🤬 Lol, Witcher 3 again. Although the favourable comparison is new.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 27, 2020 3:38:52 GMT
Anyway, getting back to decisions we could get to make, and to double down on everything I said earlier, the player/protagonist should be the one dealing with the Evanuris directly. Having Solas handle them off-screen or in a fucking tie-in novel is, to my mind, a waaaaaay bigger cop-out than not getting to watch Solas and the Inquisitor hug it out or whatever the fuck people think is going to happen.
I am sick to fucking death of this series shoving all its most interesting developments and revelations in shitty ancillary media. Am I a customer of BioWare or fucking Random House?
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 27, 2020 7:22:46 GMT
getting to watch Solas and the Inquisitor hug it out or whatever the fuck people think is going to happen Please no... I am sick to fucking death of this series shoving all its most interesting developments and revelations in shitty ancillary media. Am I a customer of BioWare or fucking Random House? Ditto. (Though I do enjoy the novels.)
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Post by gervaise21 on May 27, 2020 15:16:08 GMT
Same for Leandra, we could've tweaked the details a bit but I think the story developed much better with her death I think the main issue was with the way they told the story, giving you false hope you could stop it and then having that ludicrous scene of her as a zombie yet still apparently knowing who she was. The idea was that the killer had taken each of the women for their individual body parts, in Leandra's case I believe it was the eyes. I know the eyes are meant to be the window to the soul but I think it was taking it a bit far that he removed them and they retain their identity, or alternatively chop off the bits of Leandra that weren't right, sew on others and she is still surviving until you arrive. So it should have been enough that she was already dead or it should have been genuinely possible to stop it if you chose the "right" path to make that happen but not the weird half way house that they gave us. As for Anders, it was only another example of how having him running around loose didn't really work the entire game. The Templars knew about him. They laid a trap for him and then forgot all about him. He was a Grey Warden deserter who the other wardens seemed very chilled about encountering. Then you can actually go to the Gallows with Anders in your party in Act 3 to warn them you think he is up to no good and they just say they will look into it when he was right there in front of them. So I do think that would have worked better if you could confront him and he storms off, no longer able to be part of your crew. (Which can happen in Act 2). Then after his bit of defiance to Meredith, he runs off because, again, as Sebastian said, the culprit was right there, had admitted it and then just sat there waiting for justice, so why on earth didn't Meredith kill him on the spot, even if she then went on to pursue her vendetta against the rest of the mages? To be honest I thought the whole hung together at lot better in Acts 1 and 2, with the climax against the Arishok and Act 3 seemed somewhat rushed as they stuffed everything they could think of into it, leaving a lot of it not making much sense.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 27, 2020 18:42:51 GMT
Leandra's case I believe it was the eyes No, it's Leandra's head, so her retaining her identity after having her eyes removed is entirely plausible, considering the magic involved. It wasn't difficult to find... He was a Grey Warden deserter who the other wardens seemed very chilled about encountering. Stroud didn't seem chill at all. In the scene with the Qunari invasion, no one addresses Anders at all. As for Nathaniel, he had larger concerns at the moment; he doesn't really respond to Anders in the positive way Anders speaks to him. I've had plays where I've taken Anders on all of the GW parts because he is a GW and there is, for the most part, non-reaction. I don't take that as GWs being "chill," but either lack of resources, or the typical "let's just focus on the PC" tack the writers take. You see the same thing with characters like Dorian who should have most content in the Venatori part, as with Erimond, but that's not the case. That's typical in my experience, with how these writers do things.
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Post by wright1978 on May 27, 2020 21:19:26 GMT
Hopefully my new protagonist can hand solas over to the evanuris & watch as they punish him.
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Post by Nightscrawl on May 27, 2020 23:11:37 GMT
Hopefully my new protagonist can hand solas over to the evanuris & watch as they punish him. But they don't strike me as the nicest bunch, so we'd probably have to deal with them next.
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Post by wright1978 on May 28, 2020 10:14:41 GMT
Hopefully my new protagonist can hand solas over to the evanuris & watch as they punish him. But they don't strike me as the nicest bunch, so we'd probably have to deal with them next. If so they can join the lengthy queue of not nicest bunch in Dragon Age I'd like to hear their side of things in any case rather than take the view of a mass murderer
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Post by gervaise21 on May 28, 2020 11:46:27 GMT
I'd like to hear their side of things in any case rather than take the view of a mass murderer I'd like each of them to give their own personal viewpoint as well. They all seem to have acted as a group but when you feel under threat, that does tend to make people unify in a way they would not ordinarily. It is entirely possible that some members of the group were fed false information by others. I've made the point elsewhere that I also think it would be helpful to get the Forgotten Ones perspective on Solas as well. I strongly suspect that the Dalish myth that he betrayed both sides in the conflict was not entirely without foundation. Did he offer to act as mediator between the Evanuris (Creators) and the Rebel Leaders (Forgotten Ones)? Did he sacrifice the latter in order for his trap to succeed? Even Felassan's story about chewing off his ropes while Andruil and Anaris fought over him is not so far removed from the Dalish take on things. We also know, by his own admission, that Solas may have mellowed somewhat since leaving Uthenera. The being that killed Felassan was ruthless and without mercy for simple insubordination and Tevinter Nights has shown you really don't want to cross the Dread Wolf, so he was never likely to paint a favourable picture of those he regarded as his enemies, whilst was Mythal really so different to the rest? We definitely need to hear the other side of the story. Then when it comes to decisions, perhaps we are going to be asked to choose who we believe.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 29, 2020 16:21:08 GMT
Hopefully my new protagonist can hand solas over to the evanuris & watch as they punish him. Or maybe Solas wins... !!! I am optimistic about DA4 but... I find the whole "Solas wants to destroy the world" to be so dull and uninspiring. I'd much rather punching people with Varric in Kirkwall. But I do mention the first bit because maybe this could be a chance for evil to win, or maybe for Thedas to change forever.
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Post by Frost on May 30, 2020 0:50:47 GMT
Or maybe Solas wins... !!! I am optimistic about DA4 but... I find the whole "Solas wants to destroy the world" to be so dull and uninspiring. I'd much rather punching people with Varric in Kirkwall. But I do mention the first bit because maybe this could be a chance for evil to win, or maybe for Thedas to change forever. Varric is okay but a bit boring.
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Post by thebobzilla84 on May 30, 2020 9:58:16 GMT
My biggest fear with DA4 is that the story will end up being spread too thin because of the two major issues the Pc will have to deal with them being of course hunting down Solas & the Tevinter/Qunari war both seem important but why do I get the feeling BW will make Solas the priority.
Personally I hope DA 4 will be focused mostly on the Tevinter/Qunari war with Solas only being mentioned by a few npcs and a boss battle at the end.
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Post by Frost on May 30, 2020 15:31:34 GMT
My biggest fear with DA4 is that the story will end up being spread too thin because of the two major issues the Pc will have to deal with them being of course hunting down Solas & the Tevinter/Qunari war both seem important but why do I get the feeling BW will make Solas the priority. Personally I hope DA 4 will be focused mostly on the Tevinter/Qunari war with Solas only being mentioned by a few npcs and a boss battle at the end. Hopefully they do not spread the story too thin. I would prefer them continue the current story and focus on the Solas plot, the Evanuris and possibly the Forgotten Ones, and the ancient elves and lore of the period. I have lots of questions for Solas!
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Post by thebobzilla84 on May 30, 2020 20:30:05 GMT
My biggest fear with DA4 is that the story will end up being spread too thin because of the two major issues the Pc will have to deal with them being of course hunting down Solas & the Tevinter/Qunari war both seem important but why do I get the feeling BW will make Solas the priority. Personally I hope DA 4 will be focused mostly on the Tevinter/Qunari war with Solas only being mentioned by a few npcs and a boss battle at the end. Hopefully they do not spread the story too thin. I would prefer them continue the current story and focus on the Solas plot, the Evanuris and possibly the Forgotten Ones, and the ancient elves and lore of the period. I have lots of questions for Solas! Yeah i'm afraid the Tevinter/Qunari war will get the shaft and will be resolved off screen via the war table.😒
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Post by NotN7 on May 30, 2020 21:02:27 GMT
Hopefully they do not spread the story too thin. I would prefer them continue the current story and focus on the Solas plot, the Evanuris and possibly the Forgotten Ones, and the ancient elves and lore of the period. I have lots of questions for Solas! Yeah i'm afraid the Tevinter/Qunari war will get the shaft and will be resolved off screen via the war table.😒 Hmm?.... interesting? it could happen we have no idea which direction the writers will take us
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 30, 2020 23:12:27 GMT
Hopefully they do not spread the story too thin. I would prefer them continue the current story and focus on the Solas plot, the Evanuris and possibly the Forgotten Ones, and the ancient elves and lore of the period. I have lots of questions for Solas! Yeah i'm afraid the Tevinter/Qunari war will get the shaft and will be resolved off screen via the war table.😒 I have a feeling it might be like DAO, where the Qun/Tevinter War is Loghain's coup and the Solas plot is the Blight. Then other smaller things, like maybe the Grey Wardens in Weisshaupt, would be like the Redcliffe plot.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 31, 2020 0:52:54 GMT
I'm willing to bet money that the Tevinter/Qunari conflict will be resolved in the first third of the game, when they are both put out of commission because Solas sent his lieutenants to plague them, and we have to choose one side to assist while the other is destroyed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 31, 2020 0:53:55 GMT
I'm willing to bet money that the Tevinter/Qunari conflict will be resolved in the first third of the game, when they are both put out of commission because Solas sent his lieutenants to plague them, and we have to choose one side to assist while the other is destroyed. Eww. I hate the "Only one or the other" choices like that. They feel so fake and forced.
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Post by themikefest on May 31, 2020 1:12:36 GMT
I don't know guys, in the one bit of info we have on the next game (the Dread Wolf Rises mural), shit is already on fire. We may be too late. Maybe. During the next da game, the main character will learn of a potion that can stop Solas, if he/she drinks it. The main character, in a far corner of Thedas, finds the one with the potion needed to stop Solas. Since the main character showed up, the variables have changed. There are now 3 potions that can stop Solas. The red potion will destroy Solas and his lackey's. The blue potion will let the main character control the lackey's. The green potion will have the main character work together with Solas to give peace for everyone. If the main character refuses to drink a potion, everyone will die. Solas wins.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 31, 2020 1:13:50 GMT
I'm willing to bet money that the Tevinter/Qunari conflict will be resolved in the first third of the game, when they are both put out of commission because Solas sent his lieutenants to plague them, and we have to choose one side to assist while the other is destroyed. Eww. I hate the "Only one or the other" choices like that. They feel so fake and forced. I have no problem with it, except that 1) it's the only rabbit in BioWare's hat, 2) Inquisition allows you to fanny about indefinitely, collecting elfroot and shit while the mages and templars sit on their hands and wait to die, exposing the time limit as completely imaginary, and 3) there are only like 6-7 main story missions to begin with, so missing out on one makes me feel ripped off. In a different game, it could work very well.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 31, 2020 5:22:03 GMT
Tevinter Nights makes it seem even less likely to me that we'll get to pick a side in the Tevinter/qun war. They made such a point about the antaam being unsupported by the rest of the qun in their invasion.
Seems like the point of having the qun have a split focus with the antaam attacking Thedas whilst the ben hassrath hunt solas - is so that when you finally stop competing with the Ben hassrath for information and start cooperating and sharing it, it won't mean shit to the antaam. An alliance with one part of the qun right now doesn't necessarily equal an alliance with the whole.
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It would make a change from the "you must gather your armies before venturing forth" model of dao and dai.
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Post by wright1978 on May 31, 2020 5:28:11 GMT
Tevinter Nights makes it seem even less likely to me that we'll get to pick a side in the Tevinter/qun war. They made such a point about the antaam being unsupported by the rest of the qun in their invasion. Seems like the point of having the qun have a split focus with the antaam attacking Thedas whilst the ben hassrath hunt solas - is so that when you finally stop competing with the Ben hassrath for information and start cooperating and sharing it, it won't mean shit to the antaam. An alliance with one part of the qun right now doesn't necessarily equal an alliance with the whole. Personally I hope they lean into the idea of the spy/operative leading a small team going after intel, artefacts and enemy operatives secretly to combat fen'harel - with the qun invasion as a challenging backdrop. It would make a change from the "you must gather your armies before venturing forth" model of dao and dai. What if I don’t want you to cooperate with Ben hassrath. I’d much rather gut them.
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