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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 28, 2020 21:39:06 GMT
I think that's part of it, I also think it's part BioWare writing a ~50 year old like she's 70 lol. The very aged appearances of others like Justinia and Hackett don't help with that impression. Teagan.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 28, 2020 21:48:26 GMT
So after thinking about his actions and the actions of his agents, what lines of conduct do people think Solas will have for his forces during this?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Mar 29, 2020 4:30:48 GMT
Solas:
What will you do with the power of the well once Corypheus is dead?
Inquisitor: I’m not arrogant enough to think it’s my decision alone. Whatever happens, we’ll do it together. […] I trust my friends.
Solas: I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory.
Was Solas talking about carving the idol here? The thing does look carved.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 29, 2020 4:37:09 GMT
Solas: What will you do with the power of the well once Corypheus is dead? Inquisitor: I’m not arrogant enough to think it’s my decision alone. Whatever happens, we’ll do it together. […] I trust my friends. Solas: I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory. Was Solas talking about carving the idol here? The thing does look carved. No, he is just speaking metaphorically saying that if the mistake of trusting others was a person he has had enough experience to perfectly create their face. Meaning he's dealt with things like his friends betraying him or trusting them not working a lot.
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Post by ellawyn on Mar 29, 2020 6:48:08 GMT
After a few weeks of (Shamefully) forgetting that this came out, I finally managed to finish it today.
Favorites:
Eight Little Talons - I'm not sure what Courtney Woods wrote in the past, but someone give her a goddamn promotion. Eight Little Talons was the only story that had me glued the whole way through. I'm a sucker for sly assassins and slick crime stories, but it still had a wonderful set-up and execution, juicy background on the Crows, and it closed out just as it was starting to drag. Teia and Caterina were great, and Viago's such a fucking nerd I love him.
Dread Wolf Take You - Okay, okay, this also had me glued the whole way through. But I feel like that's cheating a little, since it's so Solas-centric. Still, tightly written and delightful to read. Just as long as it needed to be, but wonderfully subtle as well. And I'm thrilled to see my terrible boy Solas is not going to be some Saturday cartoon villain. Please, for the love of god, no Corypheus 2.0
The Wigmaker Job - More juicy Crows action, and one of the few bits of horror in the book that didn't feel forced or cliched. Little disappointed that it ended in a big scary monster fight, but Lucanis and Illario were interesting. I'd like to see them again.
Down Among the Dead Men - I liked this one mostly for the look at Nevarran society. It is exactly my shit, weird and spooky but not necessarily malicious, and I desperately hope we get to go to the Necropolis in DA4.
The Meh
Hunger - Didn't really bring anything new to the table, and outside of some cute lines from Antoine, nothing about it really stuck with me. It was a Spooky Monster story, and at the end they kill the Spooky Monster. Thank you, next.
Horror of Hormak - Kinda related to the above. I appreciated the nuggets of elf-lore, and confirmation on some Ghilan'nain theories, but the characters were kind of boring and the horror elements felt cliche. Plus it was ultimately just another Spooky Monster story.
Luck in the Gardens - Seeing a theme? There were a weirdly high number of stories that were just about killing terrible monsters in this book, and I think it's a toss-up between this one and Hunger for which added the least. Plus I felt like it had some heavy pacing issues. That being said, Hollix was a delight, and I'd be happy to see them show up in future content.
An Old Crow's Tricks - I didn't care for any of the characters in this one, and not just because so many of them were ham-fistedly made to be unlikable. Yeah, okay. There's an old lady. She's kooky but in a charming way - or "charming" way, at least. She kills a bunch of assholes, but like, they were assholes, to an extent that people probably wouldn't realistically be, so they all deserved it. The end.
The rest were pretty much good to just okay for me. Callback and Genitivi Dies at the End were both fun, and Callback earns points for being the one Spooky Monster story I kind of liked (Wigmaker was also sort of a Spooky Monster story, but I give it a pass because it didn't start out as one.) Herold Had the Plan, Streets of Minrathous, Murdered by Death Mages, and Half Up Front were all pretty forgettable for me. Three Trees to Midnight started out good, but it went to a sort of weird buddy comedy place and I don't know how I feel about it now.
Overall, it has made me mildly more excited for DA4, but I continue to hope the companion cast will be largely new characters, with only a few picked from EU material/past games.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 29, 2020 6:54:22 GMT
I'm not sure what Courtney Woods wrote in the past, but someone give her a goddamn promotion. She wrote Lexi, Reyes, and a bunch of Kadara in Mass Effect Andromeda. Also I'm pretty sure some SWTOR stuff. Sadly she doesn't work at Bioware anymore.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Mar 29, 2020 7:10:10 GMT
I'm not sure what Courtney Woods wrote in the past, but someone give her a goddamn promotion. She wrote Lexi, Reyes, and a bunch of Kadara in Mass Effect Andromeda. Also I'm pretty sure some SWTOR stuff. Sadly she doesn't work at Bioware anymore. Wait, what? Wasn't she forking on new DA since 2017?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 29, 2020 7:14:54 GMT
She wrote Lexi, Reyes, and a bunch of Kadara in Mass Effect Andromeda. Also I'm pretty sure some SWTOR stuff. Sadly she doesn't work at Bioware anymore. Wait, what? Wasn't she forking on new DA since 2017? That’s what I heard. But according to her Twitter account: Lead Writer at @aspyrmedia // Previously at BioWare // Degree in Villainy // Author of the Wigmaker Job and Eight Little Talons in #TevinterNights - OUT NOW!
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Post by ellawyn on Mar 29, 2020 8:56:24 GMT
So after thinking about his actions and the actions of his agents, what lines of conduct do people think Solas will have for his forces during this? "Don't fuckin' bind spirits, okay, bruh? Also maybe cool it with blood magic and slavery. Stay away from the Blight, but I guess fuck with it if you have to. Okay that's all, everything else is kosher, no holds barred, fuck the Qunari get some good sleep do well I'm proud of all of youuuuuu." Except, you know. More Solas-y. I maybe shouldn't be answering forum questions at four in the morning. Solas: What will you do with the power of the well once Corypheus is dead? Inquisitor: I’m not arrogant enough to think it’s my decision alone. Whatever happens, we’ll do it together. […] I trust my friends. Solas: I know that mistake well enough to carve the angles of her face from memory. Was Solas talking about carving the idol here? The thing does look carved. This line always of his always stuck out to me, too. I feel there's a fair argument to be made that he's speaking purely metaphorically, and uses "her" in the same way that people call ships "she." But I also feel like that's really awkward, and not a convention that he expresses anywhere else in his speech. So I'm inclined to think he's referring to someone specific. Right now, the obvious culprit for this "her" would be Mythal. She's the only female figure - and really the only figure - that Solas expresses any degree of familiarity to, outside of Felassan. But I don't get an indication that she betrayed him: his interactions with Mythal have been tolerating, even moving towards friendly. But Solas is a spicy boy who does not forgive easily, so, seems weird for him to be on good terms with Mythal if she betrayed him. Maybe they made amends somehow. Maybe it refers to someone else entirely. He did seem to hold some emotion for whoever was depicted on the idol, however. And that is explicitly referred to as a she, wearing a crown. Further, the couple is alternatively interpreted as depicting a sacrifice, or depicting lovers. He's a spicy boy, indeed. EDIT: Thinking on it further, there was an offhand Twitter comment from Gaider, way back when he still worked at Bioware, that referred to him giving some old Solas writing to Weekes, that it was sad and somehow related to romance. And I recall this because it was precisely the thing that made me go "Hmm, maybe there's some romantic history in Solas' past that he's disinclined to share." I didn't really have any further evidence to back that up until now. But who would it be with? Mythal? Maybe, but that runs the same problems as above, and I'd say they're even more pronounced if the two were involved. Maybe Solas loved her, but it was unrequited on Mythal's part? Might be more plausible, could explain why Solas seems pained but not upset with Mythal, and it jives with Mythal being married to Elgar'nan (Faithfully, one can presume, given that no evidence currently exists to the contrary.) Or maybe it's just a throwaway detail. I should really go to bed
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Post by ellanathehamster on Mar 29, 2020 9:47:43 GMT
Wait, what? Wasn't she forking on new DA since 2017? That’s what I heard. But according to her Twitter account: Lead Writer at @aspyrmedia // Previously at BioWare // Degree in Villainy // Author of the Wigmaker Job and Eight Little Talons in #TevinterNights - OUT NOW! Don't think it's a good sign when writers are leaving the company mid-production. Unless the writing part is mostly done. Can't blame her though, she went for the higher position, good for her
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Mar 29, 2020 13:27:51 GMT
I think the line sticks out because it’s a very specific metaphor and Solas often says things that have new meaning once we discover new lore/revelations. Given that we now know it’s “his idol” and he’s presumably speaking about Mythal, who is depicted on the idol, I just now find that comment very suspect.
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Post by Liadan on Mar 29, 2020 17:50:43 GMT
Late to the party but i finally finished reading all the stories. First off i can`t erase the mental image of Solas wearing a curly blond wig . About the stories, my favorites are "Down among the dead man", "Callback" (nostalgia hit me), "Eight little talons" and "The dread wolf take you". As for characters the crows winned me over. Lucanis, Teia and Viago were the characters that most kept my interest but Neve, Bharv and Hollix were also cool characters (hope we see some of them in DA4).
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 29, 2020 18:00:53 GMT
Also maybe cool it with blood magic and slavery May be when the two go together, so a very specific Tevinter type thing. Also blood magic when it is being used to bind spirits, because he regards that as another form of slavery. However, he wouldn't advise his followers against using blood magic per se since he told us it was simply another type of magic and there was nothing wrong with it in itself, just what it was used for. But I don't get an indication that she betrayed him: his interactions with Mythal have been tolerating, even moving towards friendly. But Solas is a spicy boy who does not forgive easily, so, seems weird for him to be on good terms with Mythal if she betrayed him. I have asked previously if he could be the figure in the ancient writings in ToM that dared to fly in the form of the divine and was punished for his presumption. If so, there would be two female people he would regard as betraying him. First, there is Ghilan'nain who apparently urged the person to do it and then Mythal, who refused to show him mercy after he appealed to her and gave him to Elgar'nan for judgement. If he had expected mercy from her, that might well have left him with a grudge. (The sinner was said to be a follower of Dirthamen, the Keeper of Secrets, and Solas sure knows how to do that, perhaps having learned from the best)
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Post by ellawyn on Mar 29, 2020 18:29:40 GMT
Also maybe cool it with blood magic and slavery May be when the two go together, so a very specific Tevinter type thing. Also blood magic when it is being used to bind spirits, because he regards that as another form of slavery. However, he wouldn't advise his followers against using blood magic per se since he told us it was simply another type of magic and there was nothing wrong with it in itself, just what it was used for. But I don't get an indication that she betrayed him: his interactions with Mythal have been tolerating, even moving towards friendly. But Solas is a spicy boy who does not forgive easily, so, seems weird for him to be on good terms with Mythal if she betrayed him. I have asked previously if he could be the figure in the ancient writings in ToM that dared to fly in the form of the divine and was punished for his presumption. If so, there would be two female people he would regard as betraying him. First, there is Ghilan'nain who apparently urged the person to do it and then Mythal, who refused to show him mercy after he appealed to her and gave him to Elgar'nan for judgement. If he had expected mercy from her, that might well have left him with a grudge. (The sinner was said to be a follower of Dirthamen, the Keeper of Secrets, and Solas sure knows how to do that, perhaps having learned from the best) That's true. His distaste for blood magic is more of a personal inclination rather than a general moral compunction. To the second: I dunno, I feel like the betrayal's got to be more important than "Mom got pissed that I took her car for a joy ride, and Dad grounded me for it." I figure it maybe Solas originally discovered the Blight, sealed it away (There is a line in Trespasser which might support this) and the betrayer was whoever leaked its existence. It would even make sense in the context of his line to the Inquisitor. He trusted his friends with power, the power of the Blight, and look where it got them. But that still leaves pretty much all the Evanuris as suspects, as well as any number of people. Hell, maybe "she" is Andruil, since Andruil supposedly brought Blight back from wherever and there has been a lot of mentions of her lately. Although her relationship with Fen'Harel seems to have always been antagonistic, but that all comes from second and third hand accounts, so it may not be reliable. And I guess there must've been a time when he considered all of the Evanuris to be his comrades, if not friends.
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Post by Valkyrie on Mar 29, 2020 22:49:24 GMT
I figure it maybe Solas originally discovered the Blight, sealed it away (There is a line in Trespasser which might support this) Which line do you have in mind? // I also don't think Mythal is the one who betrayed Solas in the past. My guess is that it was Ghilan'nain. She seems to have some connection to Solas - f.e. Fen'Harel shrine found in Ghilan'nain Grove in Exalted Plains, many references to Ghilan'nain in Trespasser, Tevinter Nights. It doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, and she was most likely doing some experiments with Blight.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Mar 29, 2020 22:55:18 GMT
Which line do you have in mind?// I also don't think Mythal is the one who betrayed Solas in the past. My guess is that it was Ghilan'nain. She seems to have some connection to Solas - f.e. Fen'Harel shrine found in Ghilan'nain Grove in Exalted Plains, many references to Ghilan'nain in Trespasser, Tevinter Nights. It doesn't seem like a coincidence to me, and she was most likely doing some experiments with Blight. I don't know the answer to your first question, but the codex about the ascension of Ghilan'nain might also suggest a link between her and Solas. Ghilan'nain kept herself apart from the People. She used her power to create animals none had ever seen. The skies teemed with her monsters, the land with her beasts. Andruil hunted them all, and after a year of killing, approached Ghilan'nain with an offer: the gods would share their power with Ghilan'nain, but only if she destroyed her creations, for they were too untamed to remain among the People. Ghilan'nain agreed and asked for three days to undo what she had made.
On the first day she struck down the monsters of the air, except those she presented to Andruil as a gift.
On the second day she drowned the giants of the sea, except those in deep waters, for they were too well-wrought, and Pride stopped her hand.
On the third day she killed the beasts of the land, except the halla, whose grace she loved above all else.
This is how Ghilan'nain was made youngest of the gods.
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Post by ellawyn on Mar 29, 2020 23:28:41 GMT
I figure it maybe Solas originally discovered the Blight, sealed it away (There is a line in Trespasser which might support this) Which line do you have in mind? dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Veilfire_Runes_in_the_Deep_RoadsFound in the Deep Roads section of Trespasser, next to a Solas mural depicting, apparently, a Titan getting its teeth kicked in. Quoth the wiki:
In the light of the veilfire, the runes seem to shift, coiling and uncoiling like snakes. A thunderous voice shatters the stillness, shouting:
"Hail Mythal, adjudicator and savior! She has struck down the pillars of the earth and rendered their demesne unto the People! Praise her name forever!"
For a moment, the scent of blood fills the air, and there is a vivid image of green vines growing and enveloping a sphere of fire. The vision grows dark. An aeon seems to pass. Then the runes crackle, as if filled with an angry energy. A new vision appears: elves collapsing caverns, sealing the Deep Roads with stone and magic. Terror, heart-pounding, ice-cold, as the last of the spells is cast. A voice whispers:
"What the Evanuris in their greed could unleash would end us all. Let this place be forgotten. Let no one wake its anger. The People must rise before their false gods destroy them all."
Looks like I misremembered a little, and the entry implies that Solas (Or someone with similar low opinions of the Evanuris, at least) discovered it after them, then sealed it away.
Man my lore skills are rusty these days.
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Post by colfoley on Mar 30, 2020 4:23:47 GMT
Herold had the Plan: Soooo the Lords of Fortune are Treassure Hunters...also thieves...oh so like Indianna Jones and Nathan Drake. Not sure I am going to like them. The story itself was pretty decent all and all. Liked the sense of mystery which was hanging over the entire thing, who the woman was, what did the...large man...steal. What the amulet was and how it relates to...anything. Despite having reservations of the LoF for the moment I was surprised/ saddened when Elim died. That was a very nice bit of writing right there. Also quite surprised to see Vaea just plop down out of nowhere like that. While I do not read....well any comics for that matter but given how she keeps showing up...hunting down relics and other amulets (I think there is a lot more then a healing factor going on with it)...I think its safe to say she'll play a fairly big part in DA 4. Maybe not companion level but if she keeps showing up it stands to reason they are setting something up... Though it seems funny that in that respect this story didn't end on that big of a cliffhanger.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 30, 2020 17:36:25 GMT
Looks like I misremembered a little, and the entry implies that Solas (Or someone with similar low opinions of the Evanuris, at least) discovered it after them, then sealed it away. I am not altogether sure that the Evanuris discovered red lyrium but may have been responsible for creating it. When we go to the Shrine of Sacred Ashes at the beginning of DAI, Cassandra and Varric are questioning how red lyrium came to be there and Solas makes a comment (which is easy to miss) about it having something to do with the strength of the magic unleashed. We know that the Shrine was built on a mountain of lyrium as Oghran observed in DAO, so it would seem the explosion may have corrupted at least some of it. No one knows the origins of the Blight or red lyrium and in fact we have no way of knowing which came first. It is a possibility that blighted creatures were the result of exposure to red lyrium rather than the other way around. What is for certain is that it long pre-dated the actions of the ancient Magisters as the dwarves have always maintained. It would also seem that if any of the Evanuris is responsible for the blight, it is likely Ghilan'nain and her experiments. I think it was Solas who discovered what had been hidden in the depths but whether it was a red lyrium mine or some of the original broodmothers is anyone's guess.
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Post by TabithaTH on Mar 30, 2020 17:49:15 GMT
Am I the only one who sees a similarity with how the wardens in Horror of Hormak had to ingest the grey goop to change and Hespith's verse about "In their mouths they spew"?
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Post by ellawyn on Mar 30, 2020 21:25:48 GMT
Looks like I misremembered a little, and the entry implies that Solas (Or someone with similar low opinions of the Evanuris, at least) discovered it after them, then sealed it away. I am not altogether sure that the Evanuris discovered red lyrium but may have been responsible for creating it. When we go to the Shrine of Sacred Ashes at the beginning of DAI, Cassandra and Varric are questioning how red lyrium came to be there and Solas makes a comment (which is easy to miss) about it having something to do with the strength of the magic unleashed. We know that the Shrine was built on a mountain of lyrium as Oghran observed in DAO, so it would seem the explosion may have corrupted at least some of it. No one knows the origins of the Blight or red lyrium and in fact we have no way of knowing which came first. It is a possibility that blighted creatures were the result of exposure to red lyrium rather than the other way around. What is for certain is that it long pre-dated the actions of the ancient Magisters as the dwarves have always maintained. It would also seem that if any of the Evanuris is responsible for the blight, it is likely Ghilan'nain and her experiments. I think it was Solas who discovered what had been hidden in the depths but whether it was a red lyrium mine or some of the original broodmothers is anyone's guess. I mean, the Blight is almost certainly the result of the Evanuris killing Titans. Whether it's a sort of vengeful curse, or an antibody response gone haywire, or simply the result of the Titan's connections being severed from their hivemind (Or still connected to a rotting one, even.), I think there's waaaaaay too many connections between lyrium, the Blight, dwarves, and the Titans for them to not be entangled with each other. The appearance of Red Lyrium in the Temple was probably a result of Corypheus being the one doing the ritual, or possibly a result of him trying to connect to the Black City (Which we know for a fact is Taint Central, likely because the Evanuris are Taint Central and that's probably where they've been chilling for the last couple thousand years.) Like I said, the accompanying codex was found next to a mural depicting a Titan getting wrecked. I don't think that's any coincidence.
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Post by azarhal on Mar 30, 2020 21:49:25 GMT
Am I the only one who sees a similarity with how the wardens in Horror of Hormak had to ingest the grey goop to change and Hespith's verse about "In their mouths they spew"? Not the only one (I do too), but the transforming process afterward is quite different...and kinda random.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2020 23:36:33 GMT
So, I just finished "The Dread Wolf Take You". Question (although it may have already been asked): Solas tells Charter that elves like her will remain after he destroys this world. I assume he means those elves to which he grants "Ar lasa mala"?
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Mar 31, 2020 0:19:01 GMT
So, I just finished "The Dread Wolf Take You". Question (although it may have already been asked): Solas tells Charter that elves like her will remain after he destroys this world. I assume he means those elves to which he grants "Ar lasa mala"? "Ar lasa mala" basically translates to "I give you".
She asks for her life, he tells her she has it. He was just telling her he wasn't going to kill her on the spot, like he did the others.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Mar 31, 2020 0:24:17 GMT
Am I the only one who sees a similarity with how the wardens in Horror of Hormak had to ingest the grey goop to change and Hespith's verse about "In their mouths they spew"? Not the only one (I do too), but the transforming process afterward is quite different...and kinda random. I dunno. Jovis' transformation description still strongly reminded me of a broodmother. Except a centipede monster, obviously.
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