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Post by necrowaif on Apr 21, 2020 4:19:17 GMT
Finished “Herold Had the Plan.” I quite enjoyed it. Great little heist story. Sure to make my top five stories from this book. See, I can be positive as well as bitter or snarky.
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Post by nunziodefilippis on Apr 25, 2020 7:16:26 GMT
Are Teia and Viago the same Crows that we see in the comic Deception? The description fits and Viago says in the book that they had run contracts together being the most recent in "Qunari-occupied Ventus" but we never know their names in the comic. I`m just wondering as i think it`s nice that they used some characters from the comics (like Vaea in "Herold had the plan"). Yes, that’s them. When we wrote Deception, Bioware told us about the two characters, so we wrote them into the story. Sorry to respond so late after the initial post, but I thought I’d confirm it.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 27, 2020 0:16:08 GMT
“Eight Little Talons” was one of the horniest stories I’ve read in a while. Not THE horniest, but pretty dang horny, all the same.
I liked that better than “The Wigmaker Job.” A straightforward Agatha Christie-style murder-mystery - no stupid hair demons, no questionable moral lectures by professional killers, no abuses of the lore. A few grammatical mistakes, but I can stomach those.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2020 5:53:47 GMT
“Eight Little Talons” was one of the horniest stories I’ve read in a while. Not THE horniest, but pretty dang horny, all the same. I liked that better than “The Wigmaker Job.” A straightforward Agatha Christie-style murder-mystery - no stupid hair demons, no questionable moral lectures by professional killers, no abuses of the lore. A few grammatical mistakes, but I can stomach those. I hope to hell we see Teia and Viago in DA 4 with us in some prominent way. Probaby two of my favorite characters in the story and I really wouldn't mind companion status granted to either of them. Them, Antione (the protag for Hunger), Sidony, Strife, the mage in Three Trees, and...yeah that might be it....are some of my favorites of the book and I would love to see them in 4 similar to how seeing Evangeline and Rhys mentioned in Inquisition put a smile on my face. Oh and I actually didn't know this and I LOVED that Sidony got a name drop in the DA I wartable. That made me mega pleaseed. So trends I noticed from my story list and the stories I liked and didn't likt. -don't like monsters or horror tails...unless done really well and to serve a purpose like in Wigmaker or Hunger. -hate first person perspective stories. -love those focusing on politics and philosophy. -character interaction. -and those that seemed to have the most set up for DA 4 (Three Trees, Dread Wolf, Genitivi Dies in the End, Wigmaker, Half Up Front...I mean the stupid FP annoyed me but I am very intrigued to hear what happened to the...artifact)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 27, 2020 6:31:06 GMT
“Eight Little Talons” was one of the horniest stories I’ve read in a while. Not THE horniest, but pretty dang horny, all the same. I liked that better than “The Wigmaker Job.” A straightforward Agatha Christie-style murder-mystery - no stupid hair demons, no questionable moral lectures by professional killers, no abuses of the lore. A few grammatical mistakes, but I can stomach those. I hope to hell we see Teia and Viago in DA 4 with us in some prominent way. Probaby two of my favorite characters in the story and I really wouldn't mind companion status granted to either of them. Them, Antione (the protag for Hunger), Sidony, Strife, the mage in Three Trees, and...yeah that might be it....are some of my favorites of the book and I would love to see them in 4 similar to how seeing Evangeline and Rhys mentioned in Inquisition put a smile on my face. Oh and I actually didn't know this and I LOVED that Sidony got a name drop in the DA I wartable. That made me mega pleaseed. Most if not all the base game MP characters were involved in at least one War Table mission like Sidony. As for Teia and Viago being in DA4, only if we can deliver them to Francesca for murdering her brother and making her sad.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2020 6:36:05 GMT
I hope to hell we see Teia and Viago in DA 4 with us in some prominent way. Probaby two of my favorite characters in the story and I really wouldn't mind companion status granted to either of them. Them, Antione (the protag for Hunger), Sidony, Strife, the mage in Three Trees, and...yeah that might be it....are some of my favorites of the book and I would love to see them in 4 similar to how seeing Evangeline and Rhys mentioned in Inquisition put a smile on my face. Oh and I actually didn't know this and I LOVED that Sidony got a name drop in the DA I wartable. That made me mega pleaseed. Most if not all the base game MP characters were involved in at least one War Table mission like Sidony. As for Teia and Viago being in DA4, only if we can deliver them to Francesca for murdering her brother and making her sad. This sounds like a reference to the comics which I do not read comics so... And sady have not played DAI MP...at least not yet...so never ran into Sidony there either so I was completley unaware of her being in DAI until I saw her name dropped in the 'Serpent of Nevarra'
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 27, 2020 7:04:41 GMT
I think it’s unlikely Teia or Viago would be companions as they are both Talons and thus are the heads of their respective houses. But I could see them as NPCs if DA4 has the option of seeking help from the Crows to deal with Tevinter’s Qunari problem (as well as Solas). This sounds like a reference to the comics which I do not read comics so... They do make an appearance in Deception where they briefly ally with the protagonists and murder the aforementioned brother of the character Francesca. (He was kind of an asshole, though.) Like in the story, Viago is depicted as not showing an inch of flesh below his neck, while Teia likes to flaunt her curves and has some impressive boobs for an elf.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2020 7:30:05 GMT
I think it’s unlikely Teia or Viago would be companions as they are both Talons and thus the heads of their respective houses. But I could see them as NPCs if DA4 has the option of seeking help from the Crows to deal with Tevinter’s Qunari problem (as well as Solas). This sounds like a reference to the comics which I do not read comics so... They do make an appearance in Deception where they briefly ally with the protagonists and murder the aforementioned brother of the character Francesca. (He was kind of an asshole, though.) Like in the story, Viago is depicted as not showing an inch of flesh below his neck, while Teia likes to flaunt her curves and has some impressive boobs for an elf. just the way I like em.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 27, 2020 14:42:51 GMT
Most if not all the base game MP characters were involved in at least one War Table mission like Sidony. As for Teia and Viago being in DA4, only if we can deliver them to Francesca for murdering her brother and making her sad. This sounds like a reference to the comics which I do not read comics so... And sady have not played DAI MP...at least not yet...so never ran into Sidony there either so I was completley unaware of her being in DAI until I saw her name dropped in the 'Serpent of Nevarra' I highly recommend the comics. They're better than the shorts in Tevinter Nights imo. I figured you didn't play the MP if you didn't know. Occasionally you could see her at Skyhold too since the MP characters are there, though unnamed so easily missed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 27, 2020 14:52:08 GMT
I think it’s unlikely Teia or Viago would be companions as they are both Talons and thus are the heads of their respective houses. But I could see them as NPCs if DA4 has the option of seeking help from the Crows to deal with Tevinter’s Qunari problem (as well as Solas). This sounds like a reference to the comics which I do not read comics so... They do make an appearance in Deception where they briefly ally with the protagonists and murder the aforementioned brother of the character Francesca. (He was kind of an asshole, though.) Like in the story, Viago is depicted as not showing an inch of flesh below his neck, while Teia likes to flaunt her curves and has some impressive boobs for an elf. Considering how easily they decided to break part of their deal with Calix and Olivia (you know, the whole 'no killing' part), I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them when it comes to aiding against the enemy. Also how was Florian that way exactly?
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Post by wickedcool on Apr 27, 2020 15:39:09 GMT
The good-solas story. Best in the book followed by a few others
Bad-there’s a few story’s that didn’t feel dragon age at all. Sure one has wardens but I’m hoping we don’t ever see darkspawn mutants.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 27, 2020 16:22:11 GMT
Considering how easily they decided to break part of their deal with Calix and Olivia (you know, the whole 'no killing' part), I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them when it comes to aiding against the enemy. Also how was Florian that way exactly? OK, I have three thoughts: 1) They didn’t technically break their deal with Olivia. They promised that they would not use violence as part of the distraction. Olivia said nothing about ever using violence after the city archive was infiltrated. 2) Florian was a member of the Venatori, and not even a *reformed* member of the Venatori, so he was clearly on board with the whole “make Corypheus a god” plan. He was also quick to blame his sister when he thought Olivia was another Magister investigating his family’s ties to the Venatori. 3) It’s interesting that you think Teia and Viago should die for making Francesca sad, because if Florian had not encountered Teia and Viago, Francesca would never have a reason to seek revenge on Olivia and Calix and would never have joined their group at the Qintara Estate. That means she would have likely have been killed or had her mind wiped by the Qunari when they took over the city. So they indirectly saved her by killing her brother. Sure one has wardens but I’m hoping we don’t ever see darkspawn mutants. I have to agree there.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 27, 2020 16:40:03 GMT
Considering how easily they decided to break part of their deal with Calix and Olivia (you know, the whole 'no killing' part), I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them when it comes to aiding against the enemy. Also how was Florian that way exactly? OK, I have three thoughts: 1) They didn’t technically break their deal with Olivia. They promised that they would not use violence as part of the distraction. Olivia said nothing about ever using violence after the city archive was infiltrated. 2) Florian was a member of the Venatori, and not even a *reformed* member of the Venatori, so he was clearly on board with the whole “make Corypheus a god” plan. He was also quick to blame his sister when he thought Olivia was another Magister investigating his family’s ties to the Venatori. 3) It’s interesting that you think Teia and Viago should die for making Francesca sad, because if Florian had not encountered Teia and Viago, Francesca would never have a reason to seek revenge on Olivia and Calix and would never have joined their group at the Qintara Estate. That means she would have likely have been killed or had her mind wiped by the Qunari when they took over the city. So they indirectly saved her by killing her brother. 1. It's obvious that Olivia meant at all, so yes they did. 2. Reformed member? 3. I never said die, did I? (I mean, considering how Crows operate they probably should since who knows how many innocent people they murdered) I said delivered to Francesca. She'll be the one to judge them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 27, 2020 20:27:55 GMT
Florian was a member of the Venatori, and not even a *reformed* member of the Venatori Yes, that made me make a double take too. The Venatori were/are a group of Tevinter extremists, who hitched their wagon to Corypheus because they thought he could deliver on the promise to restore the ancient glory of the Imperium. The majority of them were powerful enough individuals in their own right within Tevinter that the Archon felt it necessary to stay one step removed from his plan to assassinate them, hence employing Marius and Tessa. It would seem that for the most fanatical of their number who survived his fall this dream didn't die with Corypheus and they are still active behind closed doors in Tevinter. The only person who could remotely be described as "reformed" is Calpernia but it could also be argued that she simply lost faith in Corypheus, not in the desire to restore the Imperium to glory, since she claimed that was still her aim if you free her. It is also likely that the Altus members would likely reject her as their leader without the backing of Corypheus.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 27, 2020 20:55:18 GMT
"Reformed" members could be like the guy Dorian was talking to in Luck in the Gardens. People who were in it for self interest instead of fanaticism and now are content just being a social connection, but not actively trying to destabilize anything.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 27, 2020 21:04:37 GMT
Otho Calla, the nephew who Neve is hired to shadow in “Streets of Minrathous,” was a reformed member of the cult. He only joined the Venatori because he thought they would end slavery and then wanted no further part of it once Corypheus was killed.
Although she did need some of their blood for the ritual to unleash Corypheus’ pet demon, Aelia killed Otho and several other Venatori mostly because they were “traitors to the cause.”
That leads to the sad bit at the end, when Neve informs Otho’s uncle that he had not fallen back in with the cultists, and the grieving uncle mournfully asks, “Why didn’t he tell me?” Neve can’t say. That’s one mystery she can’t solve.
It’s all got a very “Forget it, Jake, it’s Chinatown” feel.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2020 21:24:01 GMT
I have a feeling that a lot of the 'reformed' Venatori will just be like the 'reformed' Death Eaters.
Anyways it does raise an interesting point that we actually have multiple members of Tevinter society/ the Venatori who seemed to genuinely believe that Corypheus truly was going to make Tevinter a better place. Which says a lot about how they would've viewed his appearance...I mean Corypheus looked like...Corypheus...but yet these people didn't care likely because they were ostracized in their own way. It is just one of those things that is so Dragon Age and adds a lot of depth and presentation to the world and a good moral debate can result. Did Caelpernia actually believe that Cory would improve things or was she just trying to extract her pound of flesh and seek revenge on her masters?
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 27, 2020 21:41:03 GMT
Anyways it does raise an interesting point that we actually have multiple members of Tevinter society/ the Venatori who seemed to genuinely believe that Corypheus truly was going to make Tevinter a better place. Which says a lot about how they would've viewed his appearance...I mean Corypheus looked like...Corypheus...but yet these people didn't care likely because they were ostracized in their own way. His appearance wasn't a real deal-breaker to Tevinter mages, as Calpernia says in the short story "Paying the Ferryman."
"Under the hood she saw his eyes: one the color of dark amber, and the other mercilessly pale, set in a hideously scarred visage. But Calpernia had lived in Minrathous all her life. She’d seen magical deformity before, some of it self-inflicted."
In fact, I remember an old Codex from DAO that says the old magisters were barely human-looking because they over-used lyrium to such a great degree. It is just one of those things that is so Dragon Age and adds a lot of depth and presentation to the world and a good moral debate can result. Did Caelpernia actually believe that Cory would improve things or was she just trying to extract her pound of flesh and seek revenge on her masters? Most of the Venatori were like Livius Erimond: power-hungry, fanatical assholes. But a few of them joined the cult because they despaired at the current state of the Tevinter Imperium and thought that Corypheus could make things better. Calpernia, for her part, cautiously accepted Corypheus' promises that he would end slavery. She did actually try to investigate whether or not he was the genuine article, though, and she even turns on him if you present her with proof that Corypheus is lying to her.
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Post by phoray on Apr 28, 2020 2:38:13 GMT
I'm 15 pages in and am not reading this thread yet but I'm having issues
Qunari who take pleasure in threatening slaves/prisoners of war. Like actually want them to try to run so they can chase them down and murder them. Also, they do sar qamek, not murder, why is slaughter on the table at all.
Qunari that threaten to withhold food as a consequence when they've been touted as a Socialist Utopia.
Qunari that split up the prisoners by sex. A job is your gender, not attached to your sex. There were probably women with more muscles and more physically prepared to cut wood then Myrion the pudgy softy male. Why would they not make physical assessments instead of sex assessments? Penises go to cut wood when this is at odds with the narrative they tried to push on us with Krem?
And before, you could make the comparison that the Qun didn't take slaves. But they obviously do. And you could defend that lives were never taken even if minds were, but now the Qunari don't even have that, if they're so willing to execute.
Will come back to drop more confusion, I'm sure.
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Post by melbella on Apr 28, 2020 2:41:16 GMT
Will come back to drop more confusion, I'm sure. It will be somewhat explained but yes, the qunari are acting strangely.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 28, 2020 4:16:37 GMT
I'm 15 pages in and am not reading this thread yet but I'm having issues Qunari who take pleasure in threatening slaves/prisoners of war. Like actually want them to try to run so they can chase them down and murder them. Also, they do sar qamek, not murder, why is slaughter on the table at all. Qunari that threaten to withhold food as a consequence when they've been touted as a Socialist Utopia. Qunari that split up the prisoners by sex. A job is your gender, not attached to your sex. There were probably women with more muscles and more physically prepared to cut wood then Myrion the pudgy softy male. Why would they not make physical assessments instead of sex assessments? Penises go to cut wood when this is at odds with the narrative they tried to push on us with Krem? And before, you could make the comparison that the Qun didn't take slaves. But they obviously do. And you could defend that lives were never taken even if minds were, but now the Qunari don't even have that, if they're so willing to execute. Will come back to drop more confusion, I'm sure. On the other hand these prisoners are bas not Qunari.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 28, 2020 5:16:18 GMT
The qunari in Tevinter Nights are following some unusual procedures due to the fact that the Antaam - the military branch of the Qunari - have split away from the rest. I guess Solas spooked them enough that they said, “Fuck it, let’s try to conquer the south while we still got time.”
That said, I really HATED how the Qunari were portrayed in “Three Trees to Midnight.” How many times have you seen a Qunari *who wasn’t the Iron Bull* crack a smile, laugh or joke? And yet, they do that CONSTANTLY throughout the story. On Page 18, I shit you not, Bas-taar is described as smiling three times. That’s not just out-of-character for the Qunari, that’s lazy writing.
There’s a bunch of other breaks with previously-established lore. Qamek is depicted as glowing brightly in the comics, but here it is described as “viscous brown liquid.” An arvaarad is supposed to hunt down bas who have not been enlightened, not a *huntmaster*. The Qunari value their weapons, and yet fuckin’ Saarbrak hands away his bow at the end of the story because he respects the captives who slaughtered his fellow Qunari? What the shit?
Oh, and the story makes it seem like it’s really unusual for the Qunari to use qamek on all the captive mages, as the Ben-Hassrath would instruct the Antaam to spare certain mages. But unless I’m mistaken, that’s ALWAYS been standard operating procedure for the Qunari regarding captive mages. They are already considered “hopeless” and are either killed or have their minds wiped.
I feel like Patrick Weekes was either phoning it in with this story (which is possible, since the whole thing is basically just “The Defiant Ones”) or he is again trying to soften the Qunari again and make them more tolerant of magic. Either way, I DON’T LIKE IT. The Qunari are the most fervently anti-magic faction in Thedas; the only reason they’re messing with magic at all is because of the threat Solas poses, which has them soiling their smallclothes.
Also, on a final note, Bas-taar’s axe turns into a sword on Pages 42-43 and then back into a sword on Page 45. That’s some goddamn lazy shit right there. If it weren’t for “The Wigmaker Job,” I’d say this was the worst story in the book.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 28, 2020 5:27:24 GMT
It’s not just the Antaam acting out of character. Some of the Ben-Hassrath are too like in the comics when the Viddasala is executing the captured slaves until they tell him about the magister said destination.
I’m afraid that BioWare is removing the nuance of them in order to make it easier to side with Tevinter in DA4 since they’ll look good in comparison.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 28, 2020 6:21:49 GMT
Oh, I don’t have an issue with the Ben-Hassrath killing that slave in Blue Wraith. The new Viddasala was put on the spot and wanted to deny his attackers a source of information. There’s a utility to his actions there that make sense to me.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 28, 2020 6:40:30 GMT
Oh, I don’t have an issue with the Ben-Hassrath killing that slave in Blue Wraith. The new Viddasala was put on the spot and wanted to deny his attackers a source of information. There’s a utility to his actions there that make sense to me. And the literal pile of other slaves that they killed because they couldn’t/wouldn’t answer?
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