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Post by necrowaif on Apr 16, 2020 7:24:04 GMT
I finished The Wigmaker Job. That was fucking awful. I don’t know what I hated the most - the shockingly unprofessional assassins, the hamhanded and frankly inconsistent moralizing, the hideous abuses inflicted upon the lore or the stupid hair monsters.
In fact, I think it’s now my top pick for the worst story in this anthology. Move aside, Three Trees to Midnight, there’s a new champion.
The most frightening thing of all, though, is that the ending implies we might have to put up with this prick Lucanis in the future.
Maker ... help us all.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 16, 2020 10:13:31 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties. It’s still mass murder.
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Post by smudjygirl on Apr 16, 2020 12:51:26 GMT
I finished The Wigmaker Job. That was fucking awful. I don’t know what I hated the most - the shockingly unprofessional assassins, the hamhanded and frankly inconsistent moralizing, the hideous abuses inflicted upon the lore or the stupid hair monsters. In fact, I think it’s now my top pick for the worst story in this anthology. Move aside, Three Trees to Midnight, there’s a new champion. The most frightening thing of all, though, is that the ending implies we might have to put up with this prick Lucanis in the future. Maker ... help us all. Wigs aside that is actually my favourite story and I love Lucanis as a character, i'd be thrilled to see him again.
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Post by TabithaTH on Apr 16, 2020 14:03:17 GMT
I really feel like regret/doubt is a recurring theme, especially in combination with being forced to confront your past and how you feel about your (lack of) actions.
Also, I kinda didn't like how Sutherland idolised? the Inquisitor or how in Murder by Death Mage it is Implied that the Inquisitor personally cares a lot about what happens in Nevarra.
Genetivi Dies in the End: interesting, also kinda meta with all the layers. Didn't expect to like it like I did (Though I'm not sure I quite understand what I read).
An Old Crow's Old Tricks: Way too short, didn't really get anything out of reading it. Forgettable characters most of which were killed off and the two that survived werent really explored in depth. The only thing we really know is that Leffe is a competent Crow despite her age.
Eight Little Talon's: First of all: Called It :-D. I think I have my favourite, but then again, I am a huge fan of crime solving/mystery plots. Grew up watching David Suchet as Poirot with my mom and grandma. Probably why it felt so familiar, the feeling of trying to guess whodunnit. It's actually been too long since I last saw an episode of some crime show, had forgotten how much I missed it. Captivated me from start to finish.
Half up Front: Not really my cup of tea. Can't quite put my hand on what it was. Felt a bit exagerated perhaps? Honestly, I think I would have liked it more if the only way of saving people actually was to sacrifice themeselves. In general I felt that there were too many things that didn't make any sense or were too convenient.
Like, I might be mistaken, but I felt like they implied that Irian has night vision or some such? But that's not an elven trait in DA lore, at least Charter still has trouble seeing in the dark in Dread Wolf Take You.
Also, How would they know anything about whether the Ben Hassrath are involved in the Tevinter war or not? Isn't the point that they are covert? I mean, we know that they are not involved, but that's because we as readers have acces to more info. Info that even a (former) altus most likely shouldn't, at least not if the Ben Hassrath are competent.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Apr 16, 2020 14:21:31 GMT
I’m willing to joke about it on a forum, though I’m not either brave/rude enough to complain directly to BioWare. Some errors will always occur in any written work. Tevinter Nights has been kind of “my first self-published novel” bad, though. What is it with BioWare's books and the questionable quality control? As a fan it's embarrassing, I would have hoped they'd have had more pride in their lore.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 16, 2020 14:54:14 GMT
Wigs aside that is actually my favourite story and I love Lucanis as a character, i'd be thrilled to see him again. So I’ve heard from others, which is why I was actually excited to read the story. Needless to say, I was disappointed. If an author is going to sell me on a character who makes Tevinter magisters quiver with fear at the mention of his name, perhaps they shouldn’t be depicted as actively complicating the job for frivolous reasons, like holding off on killing the target so you can set loose a bunch of abominations, or stopping to lecture the target over his unethical actions after you just murdered eight guards. (Well, seven, but you get the idea.) Were it within my power to transport Agent 47 across fictional dimensions to slap the shit out of Lucanis for being an idiot, I would. What is it with BioWare's books and the questionable quality control? As a fan it's embarrassing, I would have hoped they'd have had more pride in their lore. Or at least proper grammar.
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Post by Mithras on Apr 16, 2020 14:54:19 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties. Isn't the killing Solas' goal? From what we can gather, if we're feeling charitable, his objective seems to be two fold: 1-Return the world to the state before the Veil, whatever that means.
2-Free the elves from oppression.
While the first might be accomplished without the deliberate murder of humans, the second one necessitates the murder of an immense amount of humans. Luckily for Solas, the first goal synergizes with the second very nicely since humans don't seem to be able to survive in a world without the Veil.
And, if we are feeling less charitable, we could say that he has only one objective, to "bring back the world of the elves". The "world of the elves" was one without humans.
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Post by smudjygirl on Apr 16, 2020 15:29:40 GMT
Wigs aside that is actually my favourite story and I love Lucanis as a character, i'd be thrilled to see him again. So I’ve heard from others, which is why I was actually excited to read the story. Needless to say, I was disappointed. If an author is going to sell me a character who makes Tevinter magisters quiver with fear at the mention of his name, perhaps they shouldn’t be depicted as actively complicating the job for dubious reasons, like holding off on killing the target so you can set loose a bunch of abominations, or stopping to lecture the target over his actions after you just murdered eight guards. (Well, seven, but you get the idea.) Were it within my power to transport Agent 47 across fictional dimensions to slap the shit out of Lucanis for being an idiot, I would. That's a bit of what i liked about him. He's got a human side to him that makes him do things that aren't always a good idea. He felt like they should get their revenge for what was done to them, and he wanted to embarrass? shame? humiliate? the prideful man that felt like he could do whatever he wanted. I agree it wasn't smart of him to do it, but i fully understand why he did. Different tastes, i suppose. I understand where you're coming from.
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Post by Solas on Apr 16, 2020 17:31:17 GMT
TabithaTH The elf night vision thing is actually a thing: "Elves see better in the dark than humans, and their eyes glint like those of a cat in the dark. This is likely the result of an ocular structure called tapetum lucidum." (Stolen Throne, Masked Empire) Loghain even used to lead a squad of elf archers called the Night Elves during the Fereldan Rebellion - "Loghain began to lead small groups of elven archers out after dark, making use of their superior night vision and eyesight"
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 16, 2020 17:57:18 GMT
That's a bit of what i liked about him. He's got a human side to him that makes him do things that aren't always a good idea. He felt like they should get their revenge for what was done to them, and he wanted to embarrass? shame? humiliate? the prideful man that felt like he could do whatever he wanted. I agree it wasn't smart of him to do it, but i fully understand why he did. Different tastes, i suppose. I understand where you're coming from. I just find it rich that a member of an organization that buys children and raises them to be killers would quick to dispense moral judgements. Honestly, that whole exchange between Lucanis and Forfex had a George Lucas-esque feel to it. Plus, don’t the Crows kill their own if they fail a mission? That’s why they were after Zevran in DA2. You’d think making a job more difficult would be the last thing a Crow would want to do. For the record, I also dislike how they portrayed the Venatori as the fantasy KKK, who can’t stand hearing even a syllable of foreign language without getting trigged. And anyway, aren’t most of these assholes either dead or having turned away from the cause? Blue Wraith made it sound like Francesca’s dad was one of the last, and Streets of Minrathous depicted them being on their last legs.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 16, 2020 18:09:46 GMT
2-Free the elves from oppression. I would argue that this is definitely not part of his reason for taking the action he is in the present. It was the initial reason for his rebellion against the Evanuris in the past but raising the Veil and imprisoning them was a last desperate action to prevent the world being destroyed by them (or so he claims). Now he claims his current action is necessary to save "his people". Except he made it quite clear that, just like Abelas, he doesn't regard modern elves as his people, so he is not saving them from oppression, since they are not stuck in the alienages, or slavery in Tevinter (except by choice as part of his plan) or serving the Qun. He hates the oppression in Tevinter and the mind control of the Qun for what they represent but if he is "saving his people" it is from some other threat. This is why the most logical conclusion is he is saving them from the Blight/red lyrium. No matter where they conceal themselves, ultimately this is going to reach them. Alternatively, he is simply rescuing them from the effects of mortality; by dropping into uthenera they could sleep out the ages and probably did this to await his return but eventually they will die unless he reverses his previous action and reconnects them to the Fade. Now if he is doing it because of the Blight, then it is not really genocide since everyone is probably going to die anyway unless he stops its spread, so he is simply trying to save what he can, but if he is doing it to restore elven immortality then I would say it is genocide since he is giving this benefit to his people at the expense of everyone else who would otherwise have carried on existing in the present world.
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Post by smudjygirl on Apr 16, 2020 18:32:12 GMT
That's a bit of what i liked about him. He's got a human side to him that makes him do things that aren't always a good idea. He felt like they should get their revenge for what was done to them, and he wanted to embarrass? shame? humiliate? the prideful man that felt like he could do whatever he wanted. I agree it wasn't smart of him to do it, but i fully understand why he did. Different tastes, i suppose. I understand where you're coming from. I just find it rich that a member of an organization that buys children and raises them to be killers would quick to dispense morality lessons. Plus, don’t the Crows kill their own if they fail a mission? That’s why they were after Zevran in DA2. You’d think adding complications would be the last thing a Crow would want to do. For the record, I also dislike how they portrayed the Venatori as the fantasy KKK, who can’t stand hearing even a syllable of foreign language. (Also, aren’t most of these assholes either dead or having abandoned the cause? Blue Wraith made it sound like Francesca’s dad was one of the last, and Streets of Minrathous depicted them being on their last legs.) True, but i got the impression it was his upbringing that made him like that. He doesn't like injustice in part due to the abuse (however he rationalised it) in his own. But the crows also don't care how you fulfill your mission as long as you do it and i doubt this is the first time Lucanis let his emotions get the better of him. If he's managed to finish every mission it doesn't matter, though i do think it's strange he's being fitted up as the next leader if he regularly pulls stunts like that. I agree there. I thought Calpernia led them at first as an anti-slavery thing. But they are an ultra-nationalist organisation since Corypheus, so if they were split and the nationalistic people got monopoly on it, it's not surprising that they've become so racist.
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Post by TabithaTH on Apr 16, 2020 19:04:16 GMT
TabithaTH The elf night vision thing is actually a thing: "Elves see better in the dark than humans, and their eyes glint like those of a cat in the dark. This is likely the result of an ocular structure called tapetum lucidum." (Stolen Throne, Masked Empire) Loghain even used to lead a squad of elf archers called the Night Elves during the Fereldan Rebellion - "Loghain began to lead small groups of elven archers out after dark, making use of their superior night vision and eyesight" Thank you. I did not know that, since I haven't read the mentioned books.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 16, 2020 19:13:44 GMT
Ah yes, the pinnacle of nonsense, a character going against the generally accepted code of conduct of the faction they represent, having opinions that are in conflict with their occupation, and speaking of morals when they really have no leg to stand on, pot calling the kettle black and all that.
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Post by theascendent on Apr 16, 2020 20:38:49 GMT
Knowing Solas he would probably wipe out all the people of Thedas, including modern Elves and recreate the 'original' Elves from spirits, literally starting over from scratch. Of course, he would fail to mention this to his followers.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 17, 2020 20:53:31 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties. It’s still mass murder. Yeah, wasn't arguing that point. Just the connotations of intent that genocide carries. I'm still for stopping his current method.
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Post by Mithras on Apr 18, 2020 19:08:58 GMT
2-Free the elves from oppression. I would argue that this is definitely not part of his reason for taking the action he is in the present. It was the initial reason for his rebellion against the Evanuris in the past but raising the Veil and imprisoning them was a last desperate action to prevent the world being destroyed by them (or so he claims). Now he claims his current action is necessary to save "his people". Except he made it quite clear that, just like Abelas, he doesn't regard modern elves as his people, so he is not saving them from oppression, since they are not stuck in the alienages, or slavery in Tevinter (except by choice as part of his plan) or serving the Qun. He hates the oppression in Tevinter and the mind control of the Qun for what they represent but if he is "saving his people" it is from some other threat. This is why the most logical conclusion is he is saving them from the Blight/red lyrium. No matter where they conceal themselves, ultimately this is going to reach them. Alternatively, he is simply rescuing them from the effects of mortality; by dropping into uthenera they could sleep out the ages and probably did this to await his return but eventually they will die unless he reverses his previous action and reconnects them to the Fade. Now if he is doing it because of the Blight, then it is not really genocide since everyone is probably going to die anyway unless he stops its spread, so he is simply trying to save what he can, but if he is doing it to restore elven immortality then I would say it is genocide since he is giving this benefit to his people at the expense of everyone else who would otherwise have carried on existing in the present world. The impression I got was that much of his character arc from Inquisition was about proving his preconceptions wrong, showing him that modern Thedosians are people and the elves his kin. Ironically, this only further convinces him to destroy the world to "save the elves" even if he will regret the extinction of all other Thedosians.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 19, 2020 7:58:38 GMT
I skipped ahead and read the last story “May the Dread Wolf Take You.” I can tell Weekes put the most effort into that last story, since it had only one or two errors and was very well-written.
It certainly reinforced my belief that the Inquisitor CANNOT be the one who stops Solas. That bastard can kill anyone in their sleep and petrify anyone he can see or touch. The only hope of anyone having even a hope of defeating him is if he has no idea who they are and he never sees them coming until they’ve got whatever they need to take him down.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 19, 2020 8:17:00 GMT
I skipped ahead and read the last story “May the Dread Wolf Take You.” I can tell Weekes put the most effort into that last story, since it lacked any errors and was very well-written. It certainly reinforced my belief that the Inquisitor CANNOT be the one who stops Solas. That bastard can kill anyone in their sleep and petrify anyone he can see or touch. The only hope of anyone having even a hope of defeating him is if he has no idea who they are and he never sees them coming until they’ve got whatever they need to take him down. It reinforced the opposite for me. As you said, Solas can kill anyone in their dreams or in person and yet he doesn’t with the Inquisitor or the Inquisition. They are a weak point for him, and thus the only one who has a chance of getting through his defenses. Meanwhile anyone new he’d kill without hesitation, and he’ll know anyone who is against him with his army of spirits watching everything just like how he knew where to be to stop the ritual despite having no contact or knowledge with anyone from there.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 19, 2020 8:26:11 GMT
He’ll only hesitate briefly before killing the Inquisitor, Hanako. And that’s only if it’s an Inquisitor *he likes.* The only reason he has not done so is because he assumes the Inquisitor is powerless to stop him. And he might be right.
(Also, I found some grammatical errors since I made that post.)
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 19, 2020 8:29:32 GMT
It certainly reinforced my belief that the Inquisitor CANNOT be the one who stops Solas. That bastard can kill anyone in their sleep and petrify anyone he can see or touch. The only hope of anyone having even a hope of defeating him is if he has no idea who they are and he never sees them coming until they’ve got whatever they need to take him down. I have covered this point over on the Blue Wraith thread. Solas is capable of killing anyone in their sleep through the power of the Fade but that would have to be the focus of his attention and he would have to drop into Uthenera to do this. This would leave him vulnerable to attack outside the Fade. However, it is also possible that if he already has the idol and has begun the ritual, it will take many weeks/months for it to come to fruition. That is how we have been told spells worked in ancient Arlathen (by both the Dalish, Solas and the Memories in the Library). It would also take complete concentration on that alone. So he would not be able to attack anyone else through the Fade whilst he did this but he would be vulnerable to attack himself. The nature of the ritual might also explain why he needed to gather so many elves to him. There is a spell described being enacted in the Memories: The pages of this book—memory?—describe a heated argument between a group of well-dressed elves inside an elaborately arched pavilion on an island floating in a void. In the distance, haloed by a blizzard of light, thousands of elves are maintaining an elaborate magical ritual that pulls raw essence from the Fade, funneled into a sphere in the air. Through the lens of the sphere can be seen a world of indigo waterfalls and rust-red jungles, and a temple palace so frescoed and cleverly carved, it is a masterpiece in itself. Even modern elves have "magic in their blood". It is why Tevinter favour using them in blood magic rituals and also Kieran mentions this in a conversation with Lavellan. So it could well be Solas needs them to aid his ritual and thus, even if he does already have the idol, he needs the requisite number of elves as well.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 19, 2020 8:46:32 GMT
He’ll only hesitate briefly before killing the Inquisitor, Hanako. And that’s only if it’s an Inquisitor *he likes.* The only reason he has not done so is because he assumes the Inquisitor is powerless to stop him. And he might be right. (Also, I found some grammatical errors since I made that post.) Except we have evidence on the contrary to your assertions (for example Solas does not think the Inquisitor is powerless, hence not giving too much info due to how knowledgeable they can be as well as them constantly surprising him) so I’m not really taking your argument as having much weight behind it.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 19, 2020 14:49:19 GMT
He’ll only hesitate briefly before killing the Inquisitor, Hanako. And that’s only if it’s an Inquisitor *he likes.* The only reason he has not done so is because he assumes the Inquisitor is powerless to stop him. And he might be right. (Also, I found some grammatical errors since I made that post.) Except we have evidence on the contrary to your assertions (for example Solas does not think the Inquisitor is powerless, hence not giving too much info due to how knowledgeable they can be as well as them constantly surprising him) so I’m not really taking your argument as having much weight behind it. Also, Charter. He knows she and her people are after him, and that they are intelligent and capable. Yet she lives. He is not so quick to kill those he has connections to.
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Post by witchcocktor on Apr 19, 2020 15:53:42 GMT
What is the point of the last scene(s) in Trespasser if Inquisitor is just going to save the world due to having their wicked crazy sexy cool bond with Solas. Might as well use the entirety of Inquisition again because Solas befriended several of our companions.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 19, 2020 20:42:28 GMT
He’ll only hesitate briefly before killing the Inquisitor, Hanako. And that’s only if it’s an Inquisitor *he likes.* The only reason he has not done so is because he assumes the Inquisitor is powerless to stop him. And he might be right. Also, Charter. He knows she and her people are after him, and that they are intelligent and capable. Yet she lives. He is not so quick to kill those he has connections to. I think it both these cases it serves his purpose to leave them alive. He is quite willing to sacrifice people, whether friend or foe, if that is necessary for his plan to succeed but he doesn't kill anyone without a reason for doing so. Even a hostile Inquisitor is left alive because he says it will prevent unnecessary chaos. That is because he claimed to a friendly Inquisitor that he wanted the south to enjoy a few years of relative peace before he pulled the plug on them but it could also be because chaos in the south runs contrary to his aims.
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