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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 15, 2020 0:08:12 GMT
Tessa is human, yes. She’s one of the comic book characters. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Tessa_ForsythiaAs for the idol, interesting to note that nobody talks about how there are actually three figures. There are the two in an embrace, but there’s a third one (who happens to be missing their left arm ) more evidence for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist mayhaps? And ANOTHER revelation too which I found super telling is Solas (in Wolf form) mentions that the Tevinter ritual risks undoing his work which risks ALL of creation. Now of course this could mean it's a threat to Elves and that's all he cares abouy... or it could just be more evidence to what I've been thinking that he is not really after Thedas destruction. I mean hell he was laying it on that telling the Inquisitor was a mistake really thick. Hopefully. Can you clarify what you mean with the second part?
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Post by yogsothoth on Apr 15, 2020 0:15:22 GMT
Tessa is human, yes. She’s one of the comic book characters. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Tessa_ForsythiaAs for the idol, interesting to note that nobody talks about how there are actually three figures. There are the two in an embrace, but there’s a third one (who happens to be missing their left arm ) more evidence for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist mayhaps? Doubtful. I took that as the ritual would create another Breach-level Fade rift.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 15, 2020 8:38:41 GMT
And ANOTHER revelation too which I found super telling is Solas (in Wolf form) mentions that the Tevinter ritual risks undoing his work which risks ALL of creation. I feel that Solas has always felt more was at stake than simply restoring the world of the elves because he didn't like the alternative he had created. He stated that he took the action he did against the Evanuris not simply because of what they did to Mythal but because their actions threatened destruction of the world. It was thus pure irony that his own actions had a similar effect, at least on elven civilisation even if the world at large remained untouched. Now if his action in the past was to prevent the spread of red lyrium/the Blight (it is not clear which came first), then on waking in the present he would have discovered that his efforts had been compromised and the world was gradually being destroyed by red lyrium/the Blight. It may well be that the actions of the Ancient Magisters in breaking into the Black City was what caused it to be released from wherever it had been quarantined. Corypheus quite clearly states in his memories that they "discovered" the darkness, not created it. If this is the case, then it would have been clear to Solas that the present world was doomed whether he took action or not but if he dropped the Veil and flooded the world with magic again, then may be he thinks this will "cleanse" it as healing spirits can act unimpeded by the Veil. The argument against this is that if any of the above was true, why didn't he just tell the Inquisitor this was the reason he had to go ahead with his plan? The Inquisitor might still have insisted that he was wrong and there must be another way of saving the world but at least they would know what they needed to do to convince him to alter his plans. That way they could pool their resources rather than working against one another. As for the current Tevinter mages' actions jeopardising his work, its success probably does depend on everything being done in the right order and the correct time and, just as with Corypheus' actions in ancient times and more recently, messing around with the Veil and the Fade outside of his ritual would likely cause things to happen too quickly or in the wrong order, with disastrous consequences, for example releasing the Evanuris before Solas was ready for them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 15, 2020 8:59:43 GMT
Charter being Solas' agent was just a fan theory cus she was a named elf we don't know much about. Also, she wasn't really featured at all in the main game and then was suddenly Leliana's right hand in Trespasser, which kinda makes her stand out. The strange thing is that whilst Charter didn't feature that prominently in the main game, she did have quite a large section devoted to her in WoT2. It was clear from this that Charter was not her real name but just another of her aliases that she has used down the years. One of them was the Black Hart, a nickname given to her by others because at the time that was her preferred mount. She was declared to be a master of false identities, an extremely effective spy and gatherer of intelligence about her enemies and able to organise effective guerrilla tactics to be employed to bring about their downfall. Which begs the question, how did she gain her expertise? Who trained her originally? It seems odd that an alienage elf should have acquired such skills and yet not be connected with either the Ben'Hassrath or the Crows. This I think was the source of the idea that she might have been an agent of Solas, like Felassan. May be she was but, like him, realised the worth of modern races in dealing with them and so effectively changed sides. Unlike him, perhaps her actions didn't contradict a direct order by Solas and so when she asked for her life, he was willing to give it, out of gratitude for former service.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 15, 2020 9:08:16 GMT
And ANOTHER revelation too which I found super telling is Solas (in Wolf form) mentions that the Tevinter ritual risks undoing his work which risks ALL of creation. I feel that Solas has always felt more was at stake than simply restoring the world of the elves because he didn't like the alternative he had created. He stated that he took the action he did against the Evanuris not simply because of what they did to Mythal but because their actions threatened destruction of the world. It was thus pure irony that his own actions had a similar effect, at least on elven civilisation even if the world at large remained untouched. Now if his action in the past was to prevent the spread of red lyrium/the Blight (it is not clear which came first), then on waking in the present he would have discovered that his efforts had been compromised and the world was gradually being destroyed by red lyrium/the Blight. It may well be that the actions of the Ancient Magisters in breaking into the Black City was what caused it to be released from wherever it had been quarantined. Corypheus quite clearly states in his memories that they "discovered" the darkness, not created it. If this is the case, then it would have been clear to Solas that the present world was doomed whether he took action or not but if he dropped the Veil and flooded the world with magic again, then may be he thinks this will "cleanse" it as healing spirits can act unimpeded by the Veil. The argument against this is that if any of the above was true, why didn't he just tell the Inquisitor this was the reason he had to go ahead with his plan? The Inquisitor might still have insisted that he was wrong and there must be another way of saving the world but at least they would know what they needed to do to convince him to alter his plans. That way they could pool their resources rather than working against one another. As for the current Tevinter mages' actions jeopardising his work, its success probably does depend on everything being done in the right order and the correct time and, just as with Corypheus' actions in ancient times and more recently, messing around with the Veil and the Fade outside of his ritual would likely cause things to happen too quickly or in the wrong order, with disastrous consequences, for example releasing the Evanuris before Solas was ready for them. that last point is a distract possibility.
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Post by Solas on Apr 15, 2020 11:34:02 GMT
If he is saving the world from destruction/some greater threat, I hope there's a good legit reason for why he could not tell us. I don't wanna be in a situation where I feel like "if he'd just told us many Inquisitors would have understood/offered to help him, now a bunch of lives were lost in the efforts/struggle against him which we wouldn't have engaged in if he'd just told us".
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 15, 2020 13:18:49 GMT
If he is saving the world from destruction/some greater threat, I hope there's a good legit reason for why he could not tell us. I don't wanna be in a situation where I feel like "if he'd just told us many Inquisitors would have understood/offered to help him, now a bunch of lives were lost in the efforts/struggle against him which we wouldn't have engaged in if he'd just told us". But my Inquisitor already offered to help him! He wouldn't let her!
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Post by Solas on Apr 15, 2020 15:19:02 GMT
I know Just if he had a reason like that and told Inquisitors about it, a much higher proportion of Inquisitors would want to help him
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Apr 15, 2020 15:21:06 GMT
Solas has trust issues a mile high, as evidenced by some of the things he says in some dialogues with him. But that can't fully explain why he's not willing to elaborate on his plans.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 15, 2020 15:30:34 GMT
Not done the book yet, but I just want to say that so far I’ve been the most impressed with Briana Battye’s two stories, Hunger and Streets of Minrathous.
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Post by ellawyn on Apr 15, 2020 17:21:32 GMT
Honestly, I'm willing to buy the idea that Solas doesn't elaborate because he doesn't want that on the Inquisitor's conscience. He knows what it's like to doom your own people in a bid to avoid greater destruction. He might not want to ask that of anyone else. This being in addition to his general massive trust issues.
As for lower-approval Quizzies that he doesn't give a shit about: he probably just doesn't trust them to see reason. He can be a dick like that.
Either way, just a theory.
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Post by Mithras on Apr 15, 2020 17:58:47 GMT
If he is saving the world from destruction/some greater threat, I hope there's a good legit reason for why he could not tell us. I don't wanna be in a situation where I feel like "if he'd just told us many Inquisitors would have understood/offered to help him, now a bunch of lives were lost in the efforts/struggle against him which we wouldn't have engaged in if he'd just told us". If that were the case, I imagine that the reason he wouldn't tell the Inquisitor is because he is assuming that they would never accept his "solution" (having to kill most if not all non-elves in the world is an hard sell) and the more he tells them about his plans, the more prepared the Inquisition will be to stop him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 15, 2020 19:36:39 GMT
There’s no cause good enough to justify genocide.
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Post by Solas on Apr 15, 2020 20:45:22 GMT
Honestly, I'm willing to buy the idea that Solas doesn't elaborate because he doesn't want that on the Inquisitor's conscience. He knows what it's like to doom your own people in a bid to avoid greater destruction. He might not want to ask that of anyone else. This being in addition to his general massive trust issues. As for lower-approval Quizzies that he doesn't give a shit about: he probably just doesn't trust them to see reason. He can be a dick like that. Either way, just a theory. this is the reason for the base situation if u get me. If its a "saving the world all along" reveal on top of it Ima need a damn good reason why he didnt just freakin say so or I'm worried its jumped a shark for me personally
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 15, 2020 20:47:58 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Apr 15, 2020 21:05:31 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties. THANK YOU.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 15, 2020 21:09:33 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties. I can make several arguments for why that definition (not the only definition btw) fits what Solas is doing. So no, genocide is exactly the term to use for describing it.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 15, 2020 21:45:03 GMT
Not done the book yet, but I just want to say that so far I’ve been the most impressed with Briana Battye’s two stories, Hunger and Streets of Minrathous.
10. The Horror of Hormock Are you John Epler? I don't think so.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 15, 2020 22:18:31 GMT
Are you John Epler? I don't think so. I joke because John kept spelling Hormak as Hormok in the story. And that was one of less egregious errors I've found.
Perhaps the greatest horror of all is Patrick Weekes' proofreading skills.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 15, 2020 22:38:13 GMT
I joke because John kept spelling Hormak as Hormok in the story. And that was one of less egregious errors I've found.
Perhaps the greatest horror of all is Patrick Weekes' proofreading skills. I didn't want to be That Guy, so I'm glad someone said it. lol Loved the stories, but the proofreading issues kept popping out at me while I read. XD
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 15, 2020 22:42:25 GMT
I’m willing to joke about it on a forum, though I’m not either brave/rude enough to complain directly to BioWare.
Some errors will always occur in any written work. Tevinter Nights has been kind of “my first self-published novel” bad, though.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Apr 15, 2020 22:46:09 GMT
Might be nitpicky, but genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people due to ideological, racial, or political motives. With genocide, the killing is the goal. This is not genocide. Its destruction that will result in mass casualties. I can make several arguments for why that definition (not the only definition btw) fits what Solas is doing. So no, genocide is exactly the term to use for describing it. Which definition of genocide are you working off of? Genocide has always involved a "desire to wipe out x population for x reasons" as far as I'm aware? Killing the population has to be part of the goal of the action. And that is not Solas' goal. If he thought he could complete his goals without hurting innocents, his stated regrets have made it pretty clear that he would.
I’m willing to joke about it on a forum, though I’m not either brave/rude enough to complain directly to BioWare. Some errors will always occur in any written work. Tevinter Nights has been kind of “my first self-published novel” bad, though. Oh, yeah, I'm not saying post about it on twitter or something. lol Just saying that it did strike me how many grammatical errors there were. Way worse than any previous work from them.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 15, 2020 23:32:40 GMT
I can make several arguments for why that definition (not the only definition btw) fits what Solas is doing. So no, genocide is exactly the term to use for describing it. Which definition of genocide are you working off of? Genocide has always involved a "desire to wipe out x population for x reasons" as far as I'm aware? Killing the population has to be part of the goal of the action. And that is not Solas' goal. If he thought he could complete his goals without hurting innocents, his stated regrets have made it pretty clear that he would. The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Genocide is any act that puts the very existence of a group in jeopardy. ("Locating the Holocaust on the Genocide Spectrum: Towards a Methodology of Definition and Categorization", Holocaust and Genocide Studies. Vol. 3, No. 3, pp. 289–303.) Genocide is sustained purposeful action by a perpetrator to physically destroy a collectivity directly or indirectly, through interdiction of the biological and social reproduction of group members, sustained regardless of the surrender or lack of threat offered by the victim. (Genocide: A Sociological Perspective, 1993/1990) Genocide in the generic sense means the mass killing of substantial numbers of human beings, when not in the course of military action against the military forces of an avowed enemy, under conditions of the essential defencelessness of the victim. (Genocide: Conceptual and Historical Dimensions ed. George Andreopoulos) Any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. (Article 2 CPPCG) I can continue.
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Post by ellawyn on Apr 16, 2020 1:20:44 GMT
Man it is the year of our Maker 2020, I am over the idea that I have to morally justify liking a fictional character in a fictional story.
Is Solas doing a genocide? Sure Hanako, if that's what you want to claim. Why not? He's pretty and sad and I wanna give him a hug. If Thedas has to burn for me to do that, fuck it, the fashion there is terrible, and it always smelled funny anyway.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2020 1:55:55 GMT
Man it is the year of our Maker 2020, I am over the idea that I have to morally justify liking a fictional character in a fictional story. Is Solas doing a genocide? Sure Hanako, if that's what you want to claim. Why not? He's pretty and sad and I wanna give him a hug. If Thedas has to burn for me to do that, fuck it, the fashion there is terrible, and it always smelled funny anyway. I never said you couldn't like him. A poster said genocide wasn't the right word, so I was showing it was. That's it. Get over yourself.
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