VentureBeat claims we're going to get a MET Remaster "Legendary Edition"

Know what? I think I'll start a pool.

What odds do you think that, if this remaster comes out, it'll be a buggy mess like MEA on release day?

Do you suspect it'll have game breaking bugs like missions being unable to finish because the game fails to register you've done that task?

I remember MEA had at least two.

1. Jaal's LM mission, after completing it, locked him in as squadmate in your team. The only way to remove this bug was to delete the game and reinstall it.

2. The krogan colony main mission had a bug were it'd fail to register you had arrived at the crashed shuttle. There was no way around this bug. You had to beat the game while it was still active.

It's funny how much magical thinking topics like this bring up. There's no reason to think that this problem was soluble. We've been at it for years on this board and nobody's come up with anything.

From the asking of a sequel, that led to Andromeda, which was a, lets say, creative way to sidestep the elephant in the room, it is safe to say that unless Bioware directly addresses the endings and ME3's results, there is no way forward for Bioware. Even if Andromeda was a better game, even if Andromeda 2 will be a better game, there is no guarantee that Bioware won't create another controversy by the ending of their next saga, because it's just too much baggage. If you don't want baggage, just shelve the IP and do something else and new. But then we got Anthem, which proved that "else and new" would also be a failure. You understand what it all looks like?

Guess the moral of the story is: "check your s**t before you release it to the public".

I don't quite get where you're going with the italed part. There's no guarantee that Bio won't cause another controversy, sure, but what on earth does baggage have to do with that.? New IP, old IP, doesn't matter. It's still going to be a Bio game, and people who want to freak out about something will.

Or is your point that it doesn't actually matter what Bio does? 

It does matter. It depends on how Bioware views its legacy. To fans, it's a treasure. But it doesn't seem like Bioware sees it the same way.

I really think BioWare took the approach of "lesser of two loud whiners" by going with Andromeda over continuing with Milky Way/Shepard.  They had since the very first game wrote the story with too many open ended aspects that people were expecting major deviations to the story to satisify their personal needs of justification of the choices they made.  The reaction to the Rachni in Mass Effect 3 I think is just a sample of what would have happened with anything they did to canonize anything from Shepard's track record and BioWare has proven they don't want to lock off large chunks of content to prior choices.

The approach they took with Andromeda was the least bad choice they could have made.  I don't think even abandoning the franchise would have worked either for there were still the comments wanting a return of The Warden when Dragon Age: Inquisition was released.  I do agree that Anthem's problems alone weren't just because it was new, but I do think because its not what people wanted from BioWare they went in looking for problems.  I have played several of the looter-shooter type games out there and they are all plagued with problems of some type, but they don't get the heat directed at them the same way BioWare did.  Too many "journalists" made comments comparing it to Mass Effect and to me that shows that they weren't giving Anthem a shot either for they wanted their Mass Effect and not Anthem and were looking for Mass Effect when playing Anthem.  I will also say there were plenty that pointed out the flaws that were with Anthem and were being fair about it, but it wasn't a universal thing.

I suppose so.


I know a lot of franchises that avoid it. Some had avoided it for years, or even decades. Not even until the '10s did we start getting such divisive continuations.


Maybe, but Bioware also proved that running away from them and, especially, toning down the "feel" of your next adventure, so as to avoid polarizing behaviour, also doesn't work and the YA audience it was supposed to attract, wasn't attracted either.


Hope it works out better for you, than it did for Bioware.


Being new has, indeed, got nothing to do with its failure. Being an entirely new direction for the studio has also nothing to do with its failure. The fact that it was bad has everything to do with its failure. Which gives a clear message out that Bioware can't pull that direction off. For whatever reason. How many people do you think got burnt by Bioware and Anthem and won't return for a Bioware game at all? Evidently, since we are having yet again, another Endings discussion, people don't just forgive and forget, but they also talk shit and smear developers, for many years to come. We are getting close to a decade and the only thing Bioware's stance on developing games and addressing their fanbase has achieved is shrinkage.


Yeah. Horizon Zero Dawn was a great game. I don't care that they tried something new, only that they pulled it off. Bioware did something new and didn't pull it off. Which will make the next fanbase Bioware tries to approach doubly skeptical, on whether they should trust Bioware to deliver a game that meets their expectations.

Did you play MEA without the updates?

I think that "fuck up" goes way beyond those two people.  If anything I would say it starts in the very first game with everyone that made the decision to make the Reapers the way they were and amplified that problem with not focusing on that plot at all probably starting all the way in the concept phase of Mass Effect 2.  Yes we remember how the game ended, but the journey to that ending is just as problematic and the other outside areas of the games were the superior parts.  if they ended Mass Effect 3 at the Illusive Man's base I think it would have followed the trend of the first two games.  Having a good story for one game and a pretty bad Reaper arc added to the game.

Maybe I have a different point of view because I have always disliked the Reapers for they never felt like they fit within the game and really could have been written out and there wouldn't have been that much needed changing to make the three games work.