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Post by SirSourpuss on May 20, 2020 22:17:38 GMT
What makes a good game is subjective. In that case a lot of customers and critics had a lot of common criticisms to offer on why they all collectively found Andromeda to be subjectively lacking. Or the game was objectively flawed, because the probability of such an occurrence recurring collectively on a subjective level varies from an improbability to an impossibility. And I can't see how someone can think the botched Andromeda animations were subjectively botched, or how clipping through terrain was a subjective glitch. But hey, you do you.
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Post by merylisk on May 20, 2020 23:09:01 GMT
How is that an unusual request? I just like my covers to be eye catching. I don't particularly care who is on them. I have the game box for ME1 right next to me and all I remember from that cover, is Ashley. Was Saren on it? I remember Saren on it. What do porno mags have to do with it???? Literally don't follow. That was a joke. With ME3, they finally created a default, high res female version of the main character to use in the marketing, which I wish they'd been doing all along. The remaster would give them a chance to fix it and actually include her in the marketing for all the games. Does promotional marketing interfere with your enjoyment of a game? A lot of people love playing as Femshep. It would be nice to have her feel like less of an afterthought Why would she feel like an afterthought? And give how the default male Shepard has always had a high res, unique face (e.g. not from the character creator), it would be cool if Femshep had that in every game too, like she does in ME3. Yeah, I disliked that, as well. I would have liked a legitimate face on femshep. One recognizable enough, preferably, like Mark Vanderloo for maleshep. Your last point is really my whole point here. I don't really give a crap about the box art, it would just be be nice to see both genders of the default player character used equally in promotional materials. I've never even owned a physical copy of any of the games so it's not about how eye-catching it is. The point is just to feature them both equally everywhere dudeshep is currently used. Edit: Wanted to address one more thing. I said she feels like an afterthought because it would have been fairly easy for someone prior to ME3 to not even know she was an option based on the marketing materials. I didn't play the games for YEARS because I assumed it was just another shooter featuring some buzzcut marine dude. Having femshep featured more prominently in the marketing would have changed that!
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Post by merylisk on May 20, 2020 23:10:56 GMT
How is that an unusual request? What don't you understand? What do porno mags have to do with it???? Literally don't follow. With ME3, they finally created a default, high res female version of the main character to use in the marketing, which I wish they'd been doing all along. The remaster would give them a chance to fix it and actually include her in the marketing for all the games. A lot of people love playing as Femshep. It would be nice to have her feel like less of an afterthought. And give how the default male Shepard has always had a high res, unique face (e.g. not from the character creator), it would be cool if Femshep had that in every game too, like she does in ME3. It would have been nice if ME3 FemShep had been based on a facial scan of a real person like default MShep and Ashley/Kaidan/Liara/Miranda/Jacob/Jack/Samara/Zaaed, even Allers had a face model but default FemShep didn't? Agreed!!!
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Post by themikefest on May 20, 2020 23:46:47 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 21, 2020 0:06:45 GMT
Your last point is really my whole point here. I don't really give a crap about the box art, it would just be be nice to see both genders of the default player character used equally in promotional materials. I've never even owned a physical copy of any of the games so it's not about how eye-catching it is. The point is just to feature them both equally everywhere dudeshep is currently used. Edit: Wanted to address one more thing. I said she feels like an afterthought because it would have been fairly easy for someone prior to ME3 to not even know she was an option based on the marketing materials. I didn't play the games for YEARS because I assumed it was just another shooter featuring some buzzcut marine dude. Having femshep featured more prominently in the marketing would have changed that! I find it difficult to believe, but not impossible, that someone wouldn't know that Bioware has had the option for male/female characters since almost forever. MDK2 didn't have that choice, if I recall. And, well, neither did Sonic Chronicles, but these where the only ones not to have that option. And while Bioware had already been a legendary studio, due to Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights and KotoR, I do understand that nobody lives, sleeps and breathes Bioware, so it is, of course, possible that you wouldn't know that or, perhaps, even having played Bioware games in the past, never associated the player choice with the studio, since, again, you might not have made the correlation as to what a Bioware game entails. In that case, it is quite understandable. But the marketing is there to push sales and, well, boys sell more. It's not discrimination, it's a business decision. Personally, I like seeing girls. My favourite promotional material out of all ME are the two videos featuring the two ladies on my avatar. And Thane's trailer, too, but it was never Shepard/Vanderloo that drew me into ME. AssCreed Odyssey, for example, drew me in with Kassandra, more than Alexios ever could. And Melissanthi Mahut, her VA is both cute and has an adorable voice, although she doesn't lend her likeness to Kassandra. At the very least, promotional material of the female protagonist isn't detrimental, but boys sell more, which is why they get the spotlight.
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Post by merylisk on May 21, 2020 0:19:34 GMT
Your last point is really my whole point here. I don't really give a crap about the box art, it would just be be nice to see both genders of the default player character used equally in promotional materials. I've never even owned a physical copy of any of the games so it's not about how eye-catching it is. The point is just to feature them both equally everywhere dudeshep is currently used. Edit: Wanted to address one more thing. I said she feels like an afterthought because it would have been fairly easy for someone prior to ME3 to not even know she was an option based on the marketing materials. I didn't play the games for YEARS because I assumed it was just another shooter featuring some buzzcut marine dude. Having femshep featured more prominently in the marketing would have changed that! I find it difficult to believe, but not impossible, that someone wouldn't know that Bioware has had the option for male/female characters since almost forever. MDK2 didn't have that choice, if I recall. And, well, neither did Sonic Chronicles, but these where the only ones not to have that option. And while Bioware had already been a legendary studio, due to Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights and KotoR, I do understand that nobody lives, sleeps and breathes Bioware, so it is, of course, possible that you wouldn't know that or, perhaps, even having played Bioware games in the past, never associated the player choice with the studio, since, again, you might not have made the correlation as to what a Bioware game entails. In that case, it is quite understandable. But the marketing is there to push sales and, well, boys sell more. It's not discrimination, it's a business decision. Personally, I like seeing girls. My favourite promotional material out of all ME are the two videos featuring the two ladies on my avatar. And Thane's trailer, too, but it was never Shepard/Vanderloo that drew me into ME. AssCreed Odyssey, for example, drew me in with Kassandra, more than Alexios ever could. And Melissanthi Mahut, her VA is both cute and has an adorable voice, although she doesn't lend her likeness to Kassandra. At the very least, promotional material of the female protagonist isn't detrimental, but boys sell more, which is why they get the spotlight. We're basically in agreement here. Obviously they did it for marketing reasons. And I was actually a huge fan of KotOR when it came out so I DID know what Bioware games were, I just thought Mass Effect was different because it was marketed so aggressively to the Halo crowd at first. I didn't start playing the trilogy until shortly after Mass Effect 2 came out when my friend made me play the beginning of ME1 and I was like OHHH so it IS just like Dragon Age/KotOR. I honestly hadn't realized it was fully an RPG with a customizable character and romances etc. So marketing does matter! And also, times were really different when they were marketing the first two games. Gaming was then considered to be just "for boys" and that's not really the case anymore, which is why they updated their marketing approach for ME3. Gaming has become even more inclusive since then, hence why I think if they remaster the trilogy, they should make an effort to feature both characters equally. Once again, we're not disagreeing here! Also too, I think you're underestimating how alienating the gaming world can be for women. And I say this as someone who used to work in game development. It wasn't until the last 5 years or so that gaming started to actually feel widely and truly inclusive, and not like women gamers were just being thrown an occasional bone here and there. It's also just about not making the assumption that default=male. Little things go a long way, and I think making an effort to showcase that Shepard can be either gender was a good move, and I hope to see more of that if they remaster the trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 1:21:49 GMT
What makes a good game is subjective. In that case a lot of customers and critics had a lot of common criticisms to offer on why they all collectively found Andromeda to be subjectively lacking. Or the game was objectively flawed, because the probability of such an occurrence recurring collectively on a subjective level varies from an improbability to an impossibility. And I can't see how someone can think the botched Andromeda animations were subjectively botched, or how clipping through terrain was a subjective glitch. But hey, you do you. That's just argumentum ad populum right there.
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Post by cloud9 on May 21, 2020 3:13:23 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep. I thought they did.
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Post by merylisk on May 21, 2020 6:49:10 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep. I thought they did. Nope, the way Femshep looked was decided by people voting.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 8:16:24 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep. Remasters aren't remakes. Do your research.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2020 11:16:54 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep. Remasters aren't remakes. Do your research. Never said remasters are remakes. Do your research.
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Post by wright1978 on May 21, 2020 11:24:36 GMT
Nope, the way Femshep looked was decided by people voting. Wasn’t it then changed because it wasn’t approved of how people had voted.
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Post by Highwayman667 on May 21, 2020 14:26:18 GMT
Since it's highly unlikely that we would get a remake for what is really a rather recent trilogy, what exactly would a remaster entail ?
We know the basic is a graphics overhaul. Much more detailed environments, textures, characters.
Would that mean anything new for the gameplay ? Some changes to make the combat more dynamic and agile in ME1 ? Could new features and mechanics be introduced in a remaster ?
I'm asking because, as much as I love the Mass Effect Trilogy, I do wonder if a remaster would be the better thing to do right now with the franchise. To this day I still think Mass Effect 1 looks gorgeous with the proper settings, unless I'm not noticing the potential improvements.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 21, 2020 16:31:12 GMT
That's just argumentum ad populum right there It could. But would contradicting character traits, for example, be considered objectively bad writing? I'd like to think that, at least for one game, a character's personality would be consistent in its own game. Peebee and Liam exhibit several such breaks from character, in Andromeda. That is considered, largely, inconsistent and contradicting writing which is, in no way, shape or form, "subjective". Imagine describing someone as being "fiercely loyal to his friends", only to betray them, three scenes later, for no reason. Some things are just objectively bad. That you find it subjectively to your liking or not, per occasion, is irrelevant. Wasn’t it then changed because it wasn’t approved of how people had voted. Yes, it was. The blonde femshep won the vote and was later changed to the ginger. Also too, I think you're underestimating how alienating the gaming world can be for women Maybe so. But every time I've came across a girl in an online game, I usually simped. Hard. As well as all my guild member friends. And every other guild's guys. And I've played a lot of games where this happened. As for work places, work places are hard. In general. And bad behaviour exists in workplaces. In general. I've even been harassed by a male co-worker, in my previous job. And don't even get me started on my military service. Never again.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2020 17:00:33 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep. ^ There's your quote. Clearly says remade. This thread is about remastering the trilogy, not remaking it. Never said remasters are remakes. Do your research. Don't gaslight me, I know what you said.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 21, 2020 17:10:12 GMT
Nope, the way Femshep looked was decided by people voting. The whole voting thing was pretty dumb. There were two whole games prior with a default FemShep to draw reference from. They should’ve just gone with as close an approximation of that. I’m just thankful customization is a thing. I just don’t like how the default turned out.
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Post by themikefest on May 21, 2020 17:21:23 GMT
Maybe when the trilogy is remade, Bioware can scan Hale's face to be the default look for femshep. ^ There's your quote. Clearly says remade. This thread is about remastering the trilogy, not remaking it. Never said remasters are remakes. Do your research. Don't gaslight me, I know what you said. I know what I posted. That doesn't mean I said a remaster is a remake. Do your research.
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Post by ClarkKent on May 21, 2020 18:14:02 GMT
It's a small request that probably won't happen but I'd love if they allowed you to recruit any squad mate you want from the start in Mass Effect 2. I might be misremembering but I do believe this was originally a feature in Mass Effect 2(cut due to disk space?). For instance, I believe dialogue exists in the files for say Thane, if he goes to Mordin's recruitment but it just didn't make the final cut.
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Post by Son of Dorn on May 21, 2020 18:16:09 GMT
It's a small request that probably won't happen but I'd love if they allowed you to recruit any squad mate you want from the start in Mass Effect 2. I might be misremembering but I do believe this was originally a feature in Mass Effect 2(cut due to disk space?). For instance, I believe dialogue exists in the files for say Thane, if he goes to Mordin's recruitment but it just didn't make the final cut. There's even one for Tali when you go get Garrus I believe.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 21, 2020 18:16:18 GMT
It's a small request that probably won't happen but I'd love if they allowed you to recruit any squad mate you want from the start in Mass Effect 2. I might be misremembering but I do believe this was originally a feature in Mass Effect 2(cut due to disk space?). For instance, I believe dialogue exists in the files for say Thane, if he goes to Mordin's recruitment but it just didn't make the final cut. Yep:
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Post by ClarkKent on May 21, 2020 19:14:34 GMT
It's a small request that probably won't happen but I'd love if they allowed you to recruit any squad mate you want from the start in Mass Effect 2. I might be misremembering but I do believe this was originally a feature in Mass Effect 2(cut due to disk space?). For instance, I believe dialogue exists in the files for say Thane, if he goes to Mordin's recruitment but it just didn't make the final cut. There's even one for Tali when you go get Garrus I believe. It's a small request that probably won't happen but I'd love if they allowed you to recruit any squad mate you want from the start in Mass Effect 2. I might be misremembering but I do believe this was originally a feature in Mass Effect 2(cut due to disk space?). For instance, I believe dialogue exists in the files for say Thane, if he goes to Mordin's recruitment but it just didn't make the final cut. Yep: *snip* Nice. Well, it would certainly would be a good, minimal-effort, way of adding a bit of new content to look forward to for returning fans. There's a decent amount of cut on-disc scenes in Mass Effect 3 that they could restore as well but that might be asking too much.
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Post by turianlannister on May 21, 2020 23:51:45 GMT
Nope, the way Femshep looked was decided by people voting. Wasn’t it then changed because it wasn’t approved of how people had voted. People voted for the blonde FemShep because she looked closest to the default FemShep in ME1/ME2 but a lot of them commented that they wanted red hair so Bioware had a second vote to determine hair colour
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Post by smilesja on May 22, 2020 2:17:52 GMT
That's just argumentum ad populum right there It could. But would contradicting character traits, for example, be considered objectively bad writing? I'd like to think that, at least for one game, a character's personality would be consistent in its own game. Peebee and Liam exhibit several such breaks from character, in Andromeda. That is considered, largely, inconsistent and contradicting writing which is, in no way, shape or form, "subjective". Imagine describing someone as being "fiercely loyal to his friends", only to betray them, three scenes later, for no reason. Some things are just objectively bad. That you find it subjectively to your liking or not, per occasion, is irrelevant. Depends on the context of what the writing is.
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Post by alanc9 on May 22, 2020 2:35:38 GMT
That's just argumentum ad populum right there It could. But would contradicting character traits, for example, be considered objectively bad writing? I'd like to think that, at least for one game, a character's personality would be consistent in its own game. Peebee and Liam exhibit several such breaks from character, in Andromeda. That is considered, largely, inconsistent and contradicting writing which is, in no way, shape or form, "subjective". Imagine describing someone as being "fiercely loyal to his friends", only to betray them, three scenes later, for no reason. Some things are just objectively bad. That you find it subjectively to your liking or not, per occasion, is irrelevant. Specific examples would be useful here. I'm not prepared to declare that you're doing that thing (again) where you pretend that your own subjective views are obvious objective truths, because I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 22, 2020 3:25:04 GMT
They don’t break from character is why.
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