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Post by themikefest on Jun 1, 2020 11:31:17 GMT
One possible way to attract more players to getting a remaster is if they include MEA in the price. So lets say, $60, for the trilogy and MEA. Of course dlc would be included in the price.
Or lets step it up. What if the trilogy, DAO, DA2, with all dlc included with a copy of MEA for, I don't know, $100? I don't see this part happening,though I would be curious to see how many would buy.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 1, 2020 11:39:58 GMT
One possible way to attract more players to getting a remaster is if they include MEA in the price. So lets say, $60, for the trilogy and MEA. Of course dlc would be included in the price. Or lets step it up. What if the trilogy, DAO, DA2, with all dlc included with a copy of MEA for, I don't know, $100? I don't see this part happening,though I would be curious to see how many would buy. Normally its one game for a slightly discounted price, I cannot see them giving four games and all the DLC at such a low rate. They do have to make sure they turn some kind of profit with a remaster.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 1, 2020 11:47:49 GMT
One possible way to attract more players to getting a remaster is if they include MEA in the price. So lets say, $60, for the trilogy and MEA. Of course dlc would be included in the price. Or lets step it up. What if the trilogy, DAO, DA2, with all dlc included with a copy of MEA for, I don't know, $100? I don't see this part happening,though I would be curious to see how many would buy. Normally its one game for a slightly discounted price, I cannot see them giving four games and all the DLC at such a low rate. They do have to make sure they turn some kind of profit with a remaster. And how many are currently buying the games, and then paying full price for dlc?
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 1, 2020 12:09:48 GMT
Normally its one game for a slightly discounted price, I cannot see them giving four games and all the DLC at such a low rate. They do have to make sure they turn some kind of profit with a remaster. And how many are currently buying the games, and then paying full price for dlc? That has nothing to do with it. They are spending time and money that could be used for another project to remaster these games so if they aren't going to make some level of profit close to a new game why bother in the first place.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 1, 2020 12:39:52 GMT
And how many are currently buying the games, and then paying full price for dlc? That has nothing to do with it. They are spending time and money that could be used for another project to remaster these games so if they aren't going to make some level of profit close to a new game why bother in the first place. Look how much time was wasted making MEA. They had 5 years, yet the game was completed in about 18-24 months. That other 3 years could have been used on another project. Besides, it's most likely a 3rd party that would be remastering the trilogy.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 1, 2020 15:26:59 GMT
That has nothing to do with it. They are spending time and money that could be used for another project to remaster these games so if they aren't going to make some level of profit close to a new game why bother in the first place. Look how much time was wasted making MEA. They had 5 years, yet the game was completed in about 18-24 months. That other 3 years could have been used on another project. Besides, it's most likely a 3rd party that would be remastering the trilogy. I am highly skeptical of any report that says BioWare threw away everything they had in development over three years and started over. I think there are elements of truth to the statement, but completely overhauling the entire game isn't one I am so easy to believe. As much as it might sell plenty of clicks to websites EA has shown they have little tolerance for that kind of development with the closure of Visceral when they had blown through their budget and had nothing to show for it after years of development and never finished the game. Even if they wasted three years of development they still completed the game and sold it at the price to compensate for the costs and development time they used. Just like most remasters are a single game and charged a slightly lower price because that is where they expect to make a profit for the amount of expected sales and time used in development. Even if its not BioWare its still another studio that could be working on something else that will be a revenue generator for the company instead of something that doesn't cover its costs to remaster for the market for this game regardless of what the online community wants to keep saying is a very large unknown.
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Post by ClarkKent on Jun 1, 2020 15:33:02 GMT
One possible way to attract more players to getting a remaster is if they include MEA in the price. So lets say, $60, for the trilogy and MEA. Of course dlc would be included in the price. Or lets step it up. What if the trilogy, DAO, DA2, with all dlc included with a copy of MEA for, I don't know, $100? I don't see this part happening,though I would be curious to see how many would buy. Nah, it's probably best that Mass Effect Andromeda doesn't poison the Mass Effect well any more than it already has.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 1, 2020 16:42:42 GMT
Even if they wasted three years of development they still completed the game and sold it at the price to compensate for the costs and development time they used. Had that time not been wasted, it's possible Bioware could have released dlc for MEA. In that 3 years another game could have been made and released. Maybe even doing better than MEA. That 3 years could be put to a project to be released earlier instead of at a later date.
The part where I mentioned they could include a copy of MEA could work in it's favor. New players, not having played MEA, may end up giving it high praise. That could spark a reason to have another game in Andromeda. I doubt it, but anything is possible.
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Post by wright1978 on Jun 1, 2020 17:07:33 GMT
Even if they wasted three years of development they still completed the game and sold it at the price to compensate for the costs and development time they used. Had that time not been wasted, it's possible Bioware could have released dlc for MEA. In that 3 years another game could have been made and released. Maybe even doing better than MEA. That 3 years could be put to a project to be released earlier instead of at a later date.
The part where I mentioned they could include a copy of MEA could work in it's favor. New players, not having played MEA, may end up giving it high praise. That could spark a reason to have another game in Andromeda. I doubt it, but anything is possible.
If the next game is to be set in andromeda that would certainly be a rationale for doing as you suggesting. If not then would they really be wise to be flagging up that dumped the franchise into the freezer.
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Post by turianlannister on Jun 3, 2020 21:30:53 GMT
Oh my God, this guy is such a literalist. Reads everything word for word.
Okay. Why are you asking for a remake, in a thread about a possible remaster? Sounds kind of off-topic. Maybe, its because people wanted a remake? Perhaps, there's some people who want a remake instead? Does it come cross across your mind that people wanted a remake, instead of a remaster? I'd rather see a new Mass Effect game than a remake of the trilogy though, Shepard's story has already been told
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Post by NotN7 on Jun 3, 2020 22:03:11 GMT
Maybe, its because people wanted a remake? Perhaps, there's some people who want a remake instead? Does it come cross across your mind that people wanted a remake, instead of a remaster? I'd rather see a new Mass Effect game than a remake of the trilogy though, Shepard's story has already been told I agree from what I have read is that is only one person wants a remake, Hum wonder who that was ? really I haven't herd from these so called people, but I don't troll all the utube vids looking for justification to the for my claims but if proven wrong well I'll gladly concede and say I stand corrected, but only if the proof falls within a reasonable time frame.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 4, 2020 5:17:00 GMT
I'd rather see a new Mass Effect game than a remake of the trilogy though, Shepard's story has already been told I agree from what I have read is that is only one person wants a remake, Hum wonder who that was ? really I haven't herd from these so called people, but I don't troll all the utube vids looking for justification to the for my claims but if proven wrong well I'll gladly concede and say I stand corrected, but only if the proof falls within a reasonable time frame. Something to consider remasters and remakes are generally done on an inactive franchise or to bring a game that is hardware locked in the past. Look at Resident Evil 2/3 and Final Fantasy 7, those games are from PS1 era and Sony doesn't have a great track record of backwards compatibility. So those games were becoming near impossible to play unless you had a working PS1 or were lucky enough to have a gen 1 PS3. Its why I have always been a vocal supporter of a re-release digitally that works on the the new platforms so the people that want to play it can, but I just don't see Mass Effect having the same kind of fanbase as Resident Evil or Final Fantasy that would have the interest to drive sales of a remake and sometimes even doubt a remaster. EA probably has some metrics and formulas to tell them what could sell and what won't, but they also have statistics from the Mass Effect Collection they released just after the release of Mass Effect 3 where it was all three base games with a little DLC thrown in for the price of a single game.
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Post by waymantis on Jun 4, 2020 15:54:27 GMT
Assuming these rumours are true, I wonder how much in terms of resources are being put in by Bioware?
I'm more than onboard with them doing this remaster. To an extent, it's getting the franchise out of the fridge.
Being able to play on current (and next gen?) is a step in the right direction for ME as a whole. However, I feel like they'd have to make this a pretty exemplar remaster for it to do well on PC. They'll need to make this more than just your run of the mill texture pack to make it worth it, especially given the quality of graphical overhaul and tweak mods created by the community.
That being said, I'm sure that PC only makes up a very small percentage of sales figures when compared to consoles.
I just hope that this is enough of an effort to at least reignite some passion for Mass Effect, so that the defrost can truly begin. Ordinarily I'd be somewhat pessimistic...
SPECULATION
However, what caught my eye is the fact that the Anthem "rework" team mentioned in the recent May blog post is "30-ish people", which is far less than was expected. We know Bioware is also working on Dragon Age, and there is still a SWTOR team. But... it could signify that they might've allocated a reasonable number of devs to this hypothetical remaster.
I think a full remake is out of the question. My hope is some small tweaks here and there, such as slight refinements to ME1's combat and Mako, as well as adding new graphical technologies such as ray tracing and PBR.
I hope we'll know more come June 11th.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 4, 2020 21:53:58 GMT
Assuming these rumours are true, I wonder how much in terms of resources are being put in by Bioware? I'm more than onboard with them doing this remaster. To an extent, it's getting the franchise out of the fridge. Being able to play on current (and next gen?) is a step in the right direction for ME as a whole. However, I feel like they'd have to make this a pretty exemplar remaster for it to do well on PC. They'll need to make this more than just your run of the mill texture pack to make it worth it, especially given the quality of graphical overhaul and tweak mods created by the community. That being said, I'm sure that PC only makes up a very small percentage of sales figures when compared to consoles. I just hope that this is enough of an effort to at least reignite some passion for Mass Effect, so that the defrost can truly begin. Ordinarily I'd be somewhat pessimistic... SPECULATION However, what caught my eye is the fact that the Anthem "rework" team mentioned in the recent May blog post is "30-ish people", which is far less than was expected. We know Bioware is also working on Dragon Age, and there is still a SWTOR team. But... it could signify that they might've allocated a reasonable number of devs to this hypothetical remaster. I think a full remake is out of the question. My hope is some small tweaks here and there, such as slight refinements to ME1's combat and Mako, as well as adding new graphical technologies such as ray tracing and PBR. I hope we'll know more come June 11th. Probably zero resources from BioWare. EA has a studio (cannot think of the name) that they give small projects like remasters too. Even if they no longer have that studio, I bet they would outsource it to another for its not something they would have BioWare spend time doing for they could be doing more useful things for the bottom line of the company.
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Just a heads-up...Electronic Arts @ea
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Can they announce it already, c'mon
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jun 6, 2020 8:24:45 GMT
Really hope they've used money and resources to do something new instead of remaster...
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Post by N7eezo on Jun 6, 2020 11:14:54 GMT
IF there is a remaster, most likely it is sourced out. I remember when ME1 was made available on PS, the port was done by another studio. They are at least thinking on a NEW Mass Effect regardless.
I'm hoping for: EA Play 2020 = Remaster announcement N7 Day 2020 = Remaster release (if we are lucky, so we don't have to wait to March 2021) + info that a NEW Mass Effect is in the works.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 6, 2020 12:41:43 GMT
IF there is a remaster, most likely it is sourced out. I remember when ME1 was made available on PS, the port was done by another studio. They are at least thinking on a NEW Mass Effect regardless. I'm hoping for: EA Play 2020 = Remaster announcement N7 Day 2020 = Remaster release (if we are lucky, so we don't have to wait to March 2021) + info that a NEW Mass Effect is in the works. Mass Effect 1 was also ported to the PC by another studio. It still have the best modern controls for a BioWare game for me. I think the only way they would hit a 2020 release for a remaster is if its only the first game, I cannot see them being able to cram out all three at the same time for a 2020 release so I wonder how people might react to EA only remastering the games one at a time and doing a standard type release where its one game and its DLC for a single release.
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Post by waymantis on Jun 6, 2020 14:59:47 GMT
SPECULATION However, what caught my eye is the fact that the Anthem "rework" team mentioned in the recent May blog post is "30-ish people", which is far less than was expected. We know Bioware is also working on Dragon Age, and there is still a SWTOR team. But... it could signify that they might've allocated a reasonable number of devs to this hypothetical remaster. I think a full remake is out of the question. My hope is some small tweaks here and there, such as slight refinements to ME1's combat and Mako, as well as adding new graphical technologies such as ray tracing and PBR. I hope we'll know more come June 11th. Probably zero resources from BioWare. EA has a studio (cannot think of the name) that they give small projects like remasters too. Even if they no longer have that studio, I bet they would outsource it to another for its not something they would have BioWare spend time doing for they could be doing more useful things for the bottom line of the company. EA have only published two remasters. Burnout Paradise Remastered, and Command and Conquer Remastered. Commander and Conquer was remastered by members of it's original dev team. Burnout Paradise was remastered by Stellar Entertainment. There is precedent for both outsourcing, and working on it internally. In terms of bottom line, Anthem didn't have a strong release, and Andromeda's wasn't particularly stellar. If anything a remastered Trilogy release is cost effective, and would actually help Bioware financially. Dragon Age 4 is still years away. The next Mass Effect, even further off. The trilogy has some of Bioware's most acclaimed and financially successful titles. They're iconic. Trawling through Reddit, YouTube, and Twitter, people have been asking for this remaster for years. I don't disagree that this will be outsourced to an extent, but I really wouldn't go as far to dismiss any Bioware involvement. Mass Effect is Casey's baby after all.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 6, 2020 16:01:16 GMT
Probably zero resources from BioWare. EA has a studio (cannot think of the name) that they give small projects like remasters too. Even if they no longer have that studio, I bet they would outsource it to another for its not something they would have BioWare spend time doing for they could be doing more useful things for the bottom line of the company. EA have only published two remasters. Burnout Paradise Remastered, and Command and Conquer Remastered. Commander and Conquer was remastered by members of it's original dev team. Burnout Paradise was remastered by Stellar Entertainment. There is precedent for both outsourcing, and working on it internally. In terms of bottom line, Anthem didn't have a strong release, and Andromeda's wasn't particularly stellar. If anything a remastered Trilogy release is cost effective, and would actually help Bioware financially. Dragon Age 4 is still years away. The next Mass Effect, even further off. The trilogy has some of Bioware's most acclaimed and financially successful titles. They're iconic. Trawling through Reddit, YouTube, and Twitter, people have been asking for this remaster for years. I don't disagree that this will be outsourced to an extent, but I really wouldn't go as far to dismiss any Bioware involvement. Mass Effect is Casey's baby after all. When I talk about internally I mean the primary studios and not just a smaller studio tasked to remake the games. As far as I can see neither of those games were made by a major EA studio for Petroglyph Games has only seemed to have worked with EA with the Command and Conquer Remastered and Stellar Entertainment only has the remaster of Burnout Paradise to its name. So I don't see either remaster being done by a studio with the library of games like BioWare at them. Which game was done internally for I don't see a link with my Google searches? Just because those games didn't have a strong release, it still doesn't mean that EA wants to spend the studio time of a developer like BioWare just to update the graphics and a few tweaks. They might give Casey Hudson a copy to see if it meets his standards, but with them already probably busy with Dragon Age 4 and maybe even prototyping a new Mass Effect game I don't see where they would want to insert a basic port to delay those titles since it takes BioWare years of development to get a game out the door. Even if people are asking for a remaster it doesn't mean BioWare themselves working on it would mean anything more then having a studio like Petroglyph or an unknown studio to polish it up for a re-release.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 7, 2020 9:27:38 GMT
Maybe, its because people wanted a remake? Perhaps, there's some people who want a remake instead? Does it come cross across your mind that people wanted a remake, instead of a remaster? I'd rather see a new Mass Effect game than a remake of the trilogy though, Shepard's story has already been told The ending remains a problem and the story still needs to be fixed, if they're going to have a new game.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 7, 2020 9:29:39 GMT
Just a heads-up...Electronic Arts @ea Not holding my breath on that. If it crashes, oh well.
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Post by cloud9 on Jun 7, 2020 9:32:09 GMT
Probably zero resources from BioWare. EA has a studio (cannot think of the name) that they give small projects like remasters too. Even if they no longer have that studio, I bet they would outsource it to another for its not something they would have BioWare spend time doing for they could be doing more useful things for the bottom line of the company. EA have only published two remasters. Burnout Paradise Remastered, and Command and Conquer Remastered. Commander and Conquer was remastered by members of it's original dev team. Burnout Paradise was remastered by Stellar Entertainment. There is precedent for both outsourcing, and working on it internally. In terms of bottom line, Anthem didn't have a strong release, and Andromeda's wasn't particularly stellar. If anything a remastered Trilogy release is cost effective, and would actually help Bioware financially. Dragon Age 4 is still years away. The next Mass Effect, even further off. The trilogy has some of Bioware's most acclaimed and financially successful titles. They're iconic. Trawling through Reddit, YouTube, and Twitter, people have been asking for this remaster for years. I don't disagree that this will be outsourced to an extent, but I really wouldn't go as far to dismiss any Bioware involvement. Mass Effect is Casey's baby after all. I rather have them put the franchise on hold rather than getting a remaster, because that is absolutely lazy way to go. They can do so much with a remake and for them to fix the story and the ending it deserves.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 7, 2020 15:30:11 GMT
EA have only published two remasters. Burnout Paradise Remastered, and Command and Conquer Remastered. Commander and Conquer was remastered by members of it's original dev team. Burnout Paradise was remastered by Stellar Entertainment. There is precedent for both outsourcing, and working on it internally. In terms of bottom line, Anthem didn't have a strong release, and Andromeda's wasn't particularly stellar. If anything a remastered Trilogy release is cost effective, and would actually help Bioware financially. Dragon Age 4 is still years away. The next Mass Effect, even further off. The trilogy has some of Bioware's most acclaimed and financially successful titles. They're iconic. Trawling through Reddit, YouTube, and Twitter, people have been asking for this remaster for years. I don't disagree that this will be outsourced to an extent, but I really wouldn't go as far to dismiss any Bioware involvement. Mass Effect is Casey's baby after all. I rather have them put the franchise on hold rather than getting a remaster, because that is absolutely lazy way to go. They can do so much with a remake and for them to fix the story and the ending it deserves.
A remaster wouldn't exist in lieu of a new game, since BioWare would probably not devote much time, if any, in its production. It would just be a spit-polished re-release that people on next gen consoles could get. The PC crowd would likely not benefit from this, but that doesn't really matter.
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