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Post by Sanunes on Jun 8, 2020 13:57:14 GMT
I have played the remaster of Command and Conquer for a few hours now and comparing the source of the game to Mass Effect 1 I have a hard time really seeing a reason for a remaster of Mass Effect unless its goal is to make the games available on the new consoles at a higher resolution. The places were C&C were greatly improved I don't consider a problem for Mass Effect, but C&C is also 25 years old compared to the 13 years for Mass Effect 1 and it was one of the first games in the RTS genre so there is plenty of quality of life improvements like queuing a multiple unit construction.
Thinking about it though the one game that BioWare still has and EA owns the IP for is Jade Empire even though it was a bomb when initially released. If they do a cheap remaster for that game I think it would be night and day compared to Mass Effect and would also do what I think remasters are generally for to gauge interest in a stagnant IP to see if they should be going forward with new games for that IP.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 8, 2020 18:18:59 GMT
EA probably has some metrics and formulas to tell them what could sell and what won't, but they also have statistics from the Mass Effect Collection they released just after the release of Mass Effect 3 where it was all three base games with a little DLC thrown in for the price of a single game. I wouldn't use whatever those numbers they have to determine if releasing a remaster would do well. The collection was released in Dec 2012. I only bought ME1 for the ps3. How many other ps3 players did that? What are the numbers for how many ME collection was purchased? Since it was released while dlc was still being released for ME3, I doubt there were many current players who bought the collection. As far as dlc goes, here's what came with it for each platform. Xbox 360: Cerberus Network Mass Effect 3 Online Pass PC: Bring Down the Sky (on-disc) Pinnacle Station (on-disc) Cerberus Network PlayStation 3: Bring Down the Sky (on-disc) Cerberus Network Kasumi - Stolen Memory (on-disc) Overlord (on-disc) Lair of the Shadow Broker (on-disc) Mass Effect 3 Online Pass If I was a new player, I would be curious why ps3 gets all those dlc's included in the price, but not the 360 and pc. How many do you believe thought that as well? The other thing is that it's late in the year, so players would likely have purchased new games that recently released. They may have wanted to get the collection, but had other games that fill their time for however long. It's possible those people might be interested in getting a remaster that includes all dlc. As a ps3 player, I've never player pinnacle station. If that were added in a remaster, that would be good. The other thing is if a player romances A/K/L, it's t'soni that shows up to tell Shepard Moreau won't evacuate. I like to have that changed in a remaster to have A/K, if romanced, to tell Shepard about Moreau. I think the only way they would hit a 2020 release for a remaster is if its only the first game, I cannot see them being able to cram out all three at the same time for a 2020 release so I wonder how people might react to EA only remastering the games one at a time and doing a standard type release where its one game and its DLC for a single release. I don't see them doing that, though anything is possible. I wouldn't be surprised if they did release a remastered trilogy this year. If anything, if they do confirm a remaster is in the works, it might be released in March 2021. Just because those games didn't have a strong release, it still doesn't mean that EA wants to spend the studio time of a developer like BioWare just to update the graphics and a few tweaks. They might give Casey Hudson a copy to see if it meets his standards, but with them already probably busy with Dragon Age 4 and maybe even prototyping a new Mass Effect game I don't see where they would want to insert a basic port to delay those titles since it takes BioWare years of development to get a game out the door. MEA was given 5 years. Look how well that turned out. Hopefully the time they have for their next project is managed better.
How many copies of ME1/2/3 have sold in the last year, 2 years, 3, 4 or 5? It's possible one of the games has sold more. How much dlc has been purchased in that time? It's possible EA is looking at the numbers, and believes releasing a remaster would do well if the price includes all dlc. Let's say they do release a remaster, and it's released before the end of 2021. It's possibile that the next ME title would be released as early as 2025 or later depending on when the next da game releases. So in that time, people will buy the remaster to keep them busy. What if EA is doing that to setup a remake of the trilogy and MEA? They get as much as they can with the remaster knowing that new players, and some of the old players, would get a remake. Of course this is all speculation, but then again everything that is said about a remaster is speculation until EA/Bioware confirms a trilogy remaster is to be released.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 18:44:22 GMT
EA probably has some metrics and formulas to tell them what could sell and what won't, but they also have statistics from the Mass Effect Collection they released just after the release of Mass Effect 3 where it was all three base games with a little DLC thrown in for the price of a single game. As a ps3 player … if a player romances A/K/L, it's t'soni that shows up to tell Shepard Moreau won't evacuate. I like to have that changed in a remaster to have A/K, if romanced, to tell Shepard about Moreau.
Wow … I did not realize that … I'm on PC, if Shepard romanced Ash, she showed up. One of my FemSheps romanced Kaiden … I think he showed up. For all the rest, either romancing Liara or romancing no one in ME1, then Liara showed up. Are you referencing a known bug in PS3 versions of the game? Or just a difference between PS3 and PC versions? Do you know if this extends to the Xbox version? Just curious.
Pinnacle station is fun, both the game play and the snarky comments of the simulator operator. Plus, at the end, having access to the Admiral's retirement home allows you to score some pretty sweet loot from the high end traders. I always waited until just before the end, to outfit Shepard and crew with decent armor and weapons for the first run, then starting things off in NG+ with some pretty OP stuff, when I went for the level 60 run to import into ME2.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 8, 2020 18:49:21 GMT
As a ps3 player … if a player romances A/K/L, it's t'soni that shows up to tell Shepard Moreau won't evacuate. I like to have that changed in a remaster to have A/K, if romanced, to tell Shepard about Moreau.
Wow … I did not realize that … I'm on PC, if Shepard romanced Ash, she showed up. One of my FemSheps romanced Kaiden … I think he showed up. For all the rest, either romancing Liara or romancing no one in ME1, then Liara showed up. Are you referencing a known bug in PS3 versions of the game? Or just a difference between PS3 and PC versions? Do you know if this extends to the Xbox version? Just curious.
Pinnacle station is fun, both the game play and the snarky comments of the simulator operator. Plus, at the end, having access to the Admiral's retirement home allows you to score some pretty sweet loot from the high end traders. I always waited until just before the end, to outfit Shepard and crew with decent armor and weapons for the first run, then starting things off in NG+ with some pretty OP stuff, when I went for the level 60 run to import into ME2.
If I remember tight, A/K does in fact show up in the Xbox version.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 8, 2020 20:15:55 GMT
I found Pinnacle Station mostly annoying. The gaminess of some of the challenges just didn't work for me. But hey, it's free.
Concerning A/K, did the PS3 get the romance flag right anyplace else, or was it just never set?
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Post by garrusfan1 on Jun 8, 2020 20:25:09 GMT
I found Pinnacle Station mostly annoying. The gaminess of some of the challenges just didn't work for me. But hey, it's free. What really pissed me off about that dlc was you got no experience for killing enemies in it. It would have been a great if they had.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 8, 2020 20:30:24 GMT
Are you referencing a known bug in PS3 versions of the game? Or just a difference between PS3 and PC versions? Do you know if this extends to the Xbox version? Just curious. Not sure if it's a bug. Maybe if other ps3 players have the same problem, they will mention it here. Either way, I like to have that fixed in a remaster. I like to play it just to say I've played it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 22:48:01 GMT
I found Pinnacle Station mostly annoying. The gaminess of some of the challenges just didn't work for me. But hey, it's free. What really pissed me off about that dlc was you got no experience for killing enemies in it. It would have been a great if they had. You didn't get XP for killing the virtual enemies in the simulator, but each sim mission that you beat the leaderboard's record time awarded you XP. Going back and redoing a sim mission and beating your previous time didn't award any additional XP, only the first one. At least, that's the way it worked on PC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 19:20:04 GMT
A remaster wouldn't exist in lieu of a new game, since BioWare would probably not devote much time, if any, in its production. It would just be a spit-polished re-release that people on next gen consoles could get. The PC crowd would likely not benefit from this, but that doesn't really matter. I disagree with the bolded statement, as someone who enjoyed playing Mass Effect on the PC, I believe it's in Bioware's best interest if the remaster is more extensive than just a next-gen release for consoles with minimal updates, in that case It would't be much of a remaster at all. In my eyes a reasonable list of expectations would look as follow: - Graphical updates (including texture fidelity, lighning & special effects)
- Audio cleanup and harmonisation
- Control and responsiveness improvements
- Minor bug fixes such as incorect dialogue flags, etc.
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Post by alanc9 on Jun 9, 2020 19:46:33 GMT
I don't see how implementing that whole list gets me to buy it. I literally wouldn't notice the audio thing, I can get a graphics enhancement any time I feel like it, and the other stuff is minor.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 20:04:22 GMT
I don't see how implementing that whole list gets me to buy it. I literally wouldn't notice the audio thing, I can get a graphics enhancement any time I feel like it, and the other stuff is minor. I'd qualify the list as a reasonable minimum for a remaster, so as to not make it a straight re-release. More thorough updates such as alterations to the dialogue, the gameflow and the gamplay will definitely makes thing as a lot more interesting and be welcome. Perhaps you could share some ideas of your own on what would need to satisfy you before investing in the remaster? Also I'm curious though where else one would get a substantial graphical enhancement for Mass Effect, do you have experiance with modding or programming in the trilogy? Regardless, my goal was to comprise, the realm of a remaster is limited, yet it does see improvements over the base product when compared to a re-release, and I as a PC gamer would love to experience a more perfect version of the Mass Effect trilogy.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 10, 2020 1:33:13 GMT
Gamereactor is claiming the remaster will launch in the Fall.
It is true. The rumored remaster of the Mass Effect trilogy is real, and the last update I got a couple of weeks ago was that the plan is still to release the collection this fall as a replacement for the company's normal blockbusters: Battlefield and Star Wars Battlefront.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 10, 2020 1:40:34 GMT
Gamereactor is claiming the remaster will launch in the Fall. It is true. The rumored remaster of the Mass Effect trilogy is real, and the last update I got a couple of weeks ago was that the plan is still to release the collection this fall as a replacement for the company's normal blockbusters: Battlefield and Star Wars Battlefront. As a textured DLC pack or a full blown game?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 10, 2020 3:01:57 GMT
I don't see how implementing that whole list gets me to buy it. I literally wouldn't notice the audio thing, I can get a graphics enhancement any time I feel like it, and the other stuff is minor. I'd qualify the list list is a reasonable minimum for a remaster, so as to not make it a straight re-release. More thorough updates such as alterations to the dialogue, the gameflow and the gamplay will definitely makes thing as a lot more interesting and be welcome. Perhaps you could share some ideas of your own on what would need to satisfy you before investing in the remaster? Also I'm curious though where else one would get a substantial graphical enhancement for Mass Effect, do you have experiance with modding or programming in the trilogy? Regardless, my goal was to comprise, the realm of a remaster is limited, yet it does see improvements over the base product when compared to a re-release, and I as a PC gamer would love to experience a more perfect version of the Mass Effect trilogy.
I'd be wary of alterations to the dialogue. I don't know if I'd trust whoever handles this re-release to actually improve that system. Any actual improvements I could possibly think of would require writing whole new lines to add in here and there, and I think that might be asking too much. Beyond that, I think perhaps ME2's sort of stifling P/R system kind of made the dialogue feel like I need to min/max in one direction to get any desirable results.
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Post by traks on Jun 10, 2020 7:16:07 GMT
As a PC player, I don't really see the point of a remaster. The only thing that likely would get me interested would be a gameplay harmonization through all three games. Of course every game's system had its own charm, but for new players that doesn't matter and for old players I think it would be fun to be able to go through the whole trilogy with ME3s combat system - if I could choose one. That being said: sounds like a lot of work for me (especially ME1 with its different point/power system), so I'm not sure they tackle this topic.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jun 10, 2020 10:53:38 GMT
Gamereactor is claiming the remaster will launch in the Fall. It is true. The rumored remaster of the Mass Effect trilogy is real, and the last update I got a couple of weeks ago was that the plan is still to release the collection this fall as a replacement for the company's normal blockbusters: Battlefield and Star Wars Battlefront. What? Battlefront is a "blockbuster", but it doesn't come out regularly. Hell, EA has no plans for Battlefront 3.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 10, 2020 11:48:10 GMT
As a PC player, I don't really see the point of a remaster. The only thing that likely would get me interested would be a gameplay harmonization through all three games. Of course every game's system had its own charm, but for new players that doesn't matter and for old players I think it would be fun to be able to go through the whole trilogy with ME3s combat system - if I could choose one. That being said: sounds like a lot of work for me (especially ME1 with its different point/power system), so I'm not sure they tackle this topic. TBH Neither do I I suspect I'll skip it unless ther is a signifcant in terms of graphics and performance but I doubt there will be one.
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Post by Sanunes on Jun 10, 2020 12:10:52 GMT
As a PC player, I don't really see the point of a remaster. The only thing that likely would get me interested would be a gameplay harmonization through all three games. Of course every game's system had its own charm, but for new players that doesn't matter and for old players I think it would be fun to be able to go through the whole trilogy with ME3s combat system - if I could choose one. That being said: sounds like a lot of work for me (especially ME1 with its different point/power system), so I'm not sure they tackle this topic. To me that would be a remake to update Mass Effect 1 to a different combat system so unless they are doing a lot to the game I highly doubt it would happen. As a PC player myself, the best way I can describe what I would expect is that console owners would have the experience we do now. Very few if any bug fixes and being able to play the game at modern game resolutions. Going beyond that I don't see happening unless they are going to go for the remake route because I am almost completely certain that EA would contract it out to another studio that isn't BioWare so going into the story or trying to fix major bugs wouldn't happen without BioWare in control. Even look at the recent Command and Conquer remaster and what they did with the game. It was a complete UI overhaul to what modern RTS games offer, overhaul the unit graphics, composed new music. Now one of the major things to look at since it was a remaster and I just found out last night is the cinematics in the game were just enhanced and not recreated even though they couldn't find the original ones [edit: original source files] so they took the original ones [edit: game video files] and ran it through an algorithm to upgrade them. I think that would give a good idea of what EA would do with a remastered Mass Effect game.
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Post by Highwayman667 on Jun 12, 2020 2:35:06 GMT
As a PC player, I don't really see the point of a remaster. The only thing that likely would get me interested would be a gameplay harmonization through all three games. Of course every game's system had its own charm, but for new players that doesn't matter and for old players I think it would be fun to be able to go through the whole trilogy with ME3s combat system - if I could choose one. That being said: sounds like a lot of work for me (especially ME1 with its different point/power system), so I'm not sure they tackle this topic. It seems a bit too early to me as well. Also a little bit like pandering, considering how many remasters we're getting these days and ME3 is just eight years old. Now the phrase "Gameplay Harmonization" does sound really tempting
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 12, 2020 16:34:55 GMT
Jeff Grubb @jeffgrubb While we're all happy about Star Wars: Squadrons (and since it's a Friday -- let's take out the trash).
I think there's a strong likelihood that EA will not announce Mass Effect Trilogy remaster at EA Play. It's coming -- but it just might not take a slot at this event.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 12, 2020 16:38:09 GMT
Jeff Grubb @jeffgrubbWhile we're all happy about Star Wars: Squadrons (and since it's a Friday -- let's take out the trash). I think there's a strong likelihood that EA will not announce Mass Effect Trilogy remaster at EA Play. It's coming -- but it just might not take a slot at this event. Or this remaster thing was false information.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 12, 2020 16:43:38 GMT
Jeff Grubb @jeffgrubbWhile we're all happy about Star Wars: Squadrons (and since it's a Friday -- let's take out the trash). I think there's a strong likelihood that EA will not announce Mass Effect Trilogy remaster at EA Play. It's coming -- but it just might not take a slot at this event. Or this remaster thing was false information. Given how coy Shinobi's been about it (and none of the other industry insiders have denied it), I'm fairly certain it's legit.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 12, 2020 16:46:03 GMT
Or this remaster thing was false information. Given how coy Shinobi's been about it (and none of the other industry insiders have denied it), I'm fairly certain it's legit. So, what's the chances that this will be a full retail game or just a texture DLC pack?
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 12, 2020 17:22:20 GMT
Given how coy Shinobi's been about it (and none of the other industry insiders have denied it), I'm fairly certain it's legit. So, what's the chances that this will be a full retail game or just a texture DLC pack? Like other remasters, I'm assuming it'll be a full release. The bigger question will be - Will they include all the DLC? Some of the DLC? None? I remember when I got the MET Trilogy Set, it only came with some of the DLC, not all.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Jun 12, 2020 17:31:38 GMT
So, what's the chances that this will be a full retail game or just a texture DLC pack? Like other remasters, I'm assuming it'll be a full release. The bigger question will be - Will they include all the DLC? Some of the DLC? None? I remember when I got the MET Trilogy Set, it only came with some of the DLC, not all. It'll have to include the DLC, otherwise it won't sell very well. Also, it would have to include some free stuff as well in order to draw in the PC gamers (seeing as how there's free texture mods for the MET for the PC version). Edit: and if it's really going to come out this year on current gen, then they'll need to also release a DLC remaster pack for those who already own digital copies of MET on Xbox, PS4 and PC.
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