BioWare should just get rid of "grey morality" in Dragon Age 4 or at least tone it down.

Yes the mages need to be treated with dignity in the circle. Like I said, it's reasonable to suggest that a few very competent mages could be allowed to serve roles in society - with supervision of course. 

I'm not how you could go about rolling back Andrastianism. You've got all the free people of the south that are probably quite happy with Andrastianism. 

I do think there's a possibility, if Bioware would work on the direction of revealing the truth about the Maker (which I'm not sure they will).
The reveal about Solas and the Evanuris, other then basically destroying the Dalish religion, also put a dent on Andrastianism (maybe not in-game, so far, but there's good changes, in my mind, that the revelations about Solas and the elven past will become commong knowledge in Thedas after DA4), in the sense that some of the things the faith states about the Maker are false, as it's Solas that created the Veil. That revealed that the writers (likely during DAO's development) already thought that the Maker didn't exist and did all the things the religion mentioned. Even the fact that there's some common grounds between the Dalish religion and Andrastianism made some people think that the truth wasn't as neither religions state before DAI and Trespasser.

Now, it's still possible that a single deity, a sort of Maker, does exist in the DA setting, but as for the Evanuris, the truth could be wildly different then what the Andrastian faith says, even beyond stuff like not creating the Veil. If those revelations (it doesn't even have to be about the Maker, as the faith is also based on Andraste. Revelations on her nature could also change the situation) were to happen, it might cause great problems for the Chantry, causing a revolution in the South.


I don't know if their plan is to reveal something about the Maker, as the Evanuris revelations still leaves uncertainty on the existance of a Maker/single deity, even if different partially from what the Chantry says. But, it's undeniable that with Inquisition and Trespasser, and based on a likely focus on Solas due to the teaser, Bioware does want to reveal some truths on the ancient past and deep lore of the IP.

Well, stop the persecution of non-standard interpretations for starters. If the railroading is gone, people who were otherwise afraid of having a seeker (or angry mob whipped up by the local Petrice) on their tail people might come up with new ideas based on older stuff. Nobles without a proper faith record might also not have gotten far. Oh, and stop beating people over their head with these teachings from young age. Why do you think certain real-life zealots are so mad about kids reading Harry Potter instead of the Bible?

If you say "free people of southern Thedas" once more I'm probably going to be seriously incapacitated with laugther. Is there anyone in the south who's "free"? Surely not in mental terms, given how busy andrastians are with dwelling on past "sins" they are not supposed to be able to "atone" for anyway, as acutally achieving some sort of "atonement" would defeat the manipulative potential that guilt-tripping has. Both southern countries and Tevinter are ruled by asshat nobles. Qunari don't have nobles, but if one compares them to organised Andrastianism of the Chantry, it boils down to choose between two colours of "oppressive zealot who has the mindset of a Dalek towards other cultures".

I can't see many peasants wanting to roll back the ideology that's kept them safe in their beds from abominations and slavery. 

The Qun is far far worse than the Chantry will ever be. It's not even comparable. Don't believe me? Ask the mages of the Qun - oh wait you can't. 

To be clear, I am not referring to Andraste's war on Tevinter. Andrastianism or whatever they call it was established approximately 200 years after Andraste's death, by Kordillus Drakon, at around the same time that he established the Orlesian Empire, and the fact that the Chantry now dominates Thedas is no doubt linked to the expansion of the Orlesian empire.

Prior to that, it was a cult with no centralised leadership.

You seem like a great dude, Captain... but my disagreement is larger than a fleet of Qunari dreadnoughts.

Bioware has done an exceptional job, perhaps even before Game of Thrones was released, of subverting fantasy tropes and deconstructing the romantic medieval notions in the genre. It probably didn't get even more recognition because of the medium but everything is astonishingly nuanced in terms of storytelling: the grey wardens can legitimately be seen as heroes or villains, society is held together for better or worse by its religious institutions and in the end, no matter what happens or what you do, there's an immense sacrifice to pay behind every victory. It's amazing writing and the one thing I cannot truly criticize from any of the games.

I just felt especially in trespasser the writers pushed a simplistic slavery parallel without any opportunity to question it.
agree i’d Love to see the evanuris perspective done properly to balance the scales.

And kills his free followers for not following orders. I was just annoyed at no point could we question/doubt the stuff being fed to the party.

What exactly is it that you would like to question? That the evanuris are slavers, or that slavery is evil?

Moral complexity is, to me, a lot more fun and interesting. I’d prefer DA sticks to that. It makes my choice-making in the game a lot more engaging.

Obviously, add The Last of Us 2 to the list of games that Bioware should not take inspiration from in any way, shape, or form when it comes to morally grey portrayals (or anything other than "Here's a list of what not to do").