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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 29, 2020 13:51:10 GMT
Because it was bothering me, I whipped out The Art of Dragon Age Inquisition and yep, Solas' concept art shown in video (I mean face shots) make him look more like his previous concept art than his game self. And I find this: Guy from concept art from video... ...and concept art from DAI. A funny coincidence considering everything said in this thread It's not just some concept art, it's concept art of the (default) Inquisitor..! ✨ Yeah, I am not willing to give up hope yet... 😅 I mean... on the one hand, brown Aragorn hair and scruffy face is kinda generic.
On the other hand, he's in Inquisition armor and nothing says there can't be a prosthetic under that glove...
I'll take it. lol
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Post by Frost on Aug 29, 2020 13:51:37 GMT
I don’t understand the ‘clean up the previous’ guy’s mess’ being really a staple of DA. Hawke didn’t clean any mess left behind by the Warden. And while it’s true that the Inquisitor deals with the mage-templar plot and Corypheus, they’re not really messes left behind by Hawke. The latter has no way to know Corypheus could come back to life and possess a Warden. And the mage-Templar war isn’t something that it’s Hawke’s fault, either. I also would say that the Inquisitor left a mess behind about Solas. The Inquisitor has no way to know Solas’ intentions in the vanilla game, and in Trespassee, other then being seriously weakened by the mark’s situation, Solas became far more powerful to be dealt with at that moment. It is, however, a plot that it is distinctly related to the Inquisitor, although to be fair, even if was on a different scale, the same could he said for Hawke and Corypheus, so there’s a precedent on that. And there are people that can very well RP an Inquisitor to not dealing directly with Solas, or not wanting to fight on the frontline anymore. I don’t fault then for thinking that. I think both DA and ME’s approaches are valide, both have their pros and cons. The latter isn’t inherently the better choice, and I don’t mind DA having a different stance then the ME trilogy in regards of the PC. But it’s without question that Trespasser made it quite weird to not follow up with the Inquisitor. It’s a weird way to send off a PC, and certainly worse in that regard then the vanilla ending. ME having the same pc across 3 games was great. Origins worked because it was a complete story in a single game. However, the recent Dragon Age approach of having a continuing story but randomly changing the pc or abandoning plotlines doesn't work for me at all. I would like a continuing story between games if they followed through with it, but it is very frustrating for me the way they are handling continuing stories now with the arbitrary rule of having a new pc for each game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 14:00:27 GMT
There are a few oddities about the writers way of thinking viz a viz how much the previous PC views the current game situation and feels responsible for it.
With Hawke the situation they could have felt responsible for was the mage/Templar war. That was the main thrust of the whole plot of DA2. Of course it was meant to have been resolved in the DLC Exalted March that was cancelled and then DG wrote an entire novel to explain why it was no longer really anything to do with what happened in Kirkwall. So we didn't really need Hawke to return at all. Even, as has been suggested, they were intended to be the PC in Inquisition, which would have run contrary to the new game/new hero idea, there was no real reason why they would be more relevant than the new PC, certainly not once the mark was introduced to the mix.
However, they then decided to bring Hawke back with regard to Corypheus, when there was nothing that they could actually tell the Inquisitor more than Varric could. They even made Hawke say they felt responsible for Corypheus, enough to even volunteer to be left in the Fade, which was ridiculous. It was the Grey Warden's mess to clear up and had been for the last 1000 years. (Not to mention how contrived that choice was).
Still, if they could force that sort of responsibility onto Hawke for the sake of the plot, why would they not realise that people would think the same should apply to the Inquisitor, when they did have a far more personal connection to him? In fact, it negated the whole argument for laying down their arms because the threat had not been resolved and the Inquisitor knew it. Then it is apparent that no matter what you decided to do with the Inquisition, it is still continuing behind the scenes specifically to hunt Solas, so the Inquisitor is continuing their involvement with him, which somewhat negated their stated aim to tie-off their story.
I've always felt that Trespasser was really a big promotional for the next game rather than a tie-off for the old one. It would have been better to leave out the meeting with Solas altogether, just have the Inquisitor foil the Qunari plot, find a way to stop the mark killing them that essentially neutralised it (even being advised that amputation was the only way) and then retire from the scene. That would have left the way clear to make all the discoveries about Solas in the next game by the new PC and the realisation that they had to find a way to stop him.
Anyway, because they did leave the Inquisitor's continued involvement open to question at the end of Trespasser, I think they will be involved in some significant way in the next game, just not initially as the PC but at some point in the future when their paths will converge.
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 29, 2020 14:00:41 GMT
It looks really promising. But I really, really, really hope they're not going to fuck this up.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 29, 2020 14:07:17 GMT
I don’t understand the ‘clean up the previous’ guy’s mess’ being really a staple of DA. Hawke didn’t clean any mess left behind by the Warden. And while it’s true that the Inquisitor deals with the mage-templar plot and Corypheus, they’re not really messes left behind by Hawke. The latter has no way to know Corypheus could come back to life and possess a Warden. And the mage-Templar war isn’t something that it’s Hawke’s fault, either. I also would say that the Inquisitor left a mess behind about Solas. The Inquisitor has no way to know Solas’ intentions in the vanilla game, and in Trespassee, other then being seriously weakened by the mark’s situation, Solas became far more powerful to be dealt with at that moment. It is, however, a plot that it is distinctly related to the Inquisitor, although to be fair, even if was on a different scale, the same could he said for Hawke and Corypheus, so there’s a precedent on that. And there are people that can very well RP an Inquisitor to not dealing directly with Solas, or not wanting to fight on the frontline anymore. I don’t fault then for thinking that. I think both DA and ME’s approaches are valide, both have their pros and cons. The latter isn’t inherently the better choice, and I don’t mind DA having a different stance then the ME trilogy in regards of the PC. But it’s without question that Trespasser made it quite weird to not follow up with the Inquisitor. It’s a weird way to send off a PC, and certainly worse in that regard then the vanilla ending. Even the Hawke/Corypheus situation is more like vanilla DAI than Trespasser. Hawke was left thinking Cory was dead and had no reason to expect anymore on that front. Inky was left thinking Solas was apparently slightly shady(given his home village being nonexistent), but gone and perhaps likely never coming back, and that was that.
Trespasser is if Hawke knew Cory had possessed a grey warden after their fight.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 29, 2020 14:10:57 GMT
Yeah, the "What happens when the people in charge aren’t willing to address the issues?" sounds like a promotion for DA2. Same for the powerlessness (of Hawke, in restrospect) as well as close relationship to companions. PW: "What happens when you don't have power? What happens when the people in charge aren't willing to address the issues?" JE: "... stories that focus on the people around you and the friends and family you make ..." Next to the concept art of underwater pirate fights, these lines have me the most hyped from the teaser. When the expose about the cancellation of the original Joplin concept for DA4 came I out, I was crushed. It featured everything I wanted in a modern Nth iteration of an RPG franchise, including: - a hugely reactive game, smaller in scope than Dragon Age: Inquisition but much larger in player choice, followers, reactivity, and depth
- You’d play as a group of spies in Tevinter Imperium
- The goal was to focus as much as possible on choice and consequence, with smaller areas and fewer fetch quests than Dragon Age: Inquisition
- A large chunk of Joplin would center on heists ... allowing the player to perform actions like persuading or extorting guards without the writers having to hand-craft every scene
Source: kotaku.com/the-past-and-present-of-dragon-age-4-1833913351The implication was that Morrison, the successor to Joplin, would not have any of those elements, but PW's and JE's one-liners above give me a tiny bit of hope that maybe some of the original concept, like keeping things focused on friends and individual/local action against the backdrop of epic battles and catastrophe, rather than The Chosen One Saves The World Redux, might have survived.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Aug 29, 2020 14:15:58 GMT
Trespasser is if Hawke had spent an entire game getting to know Cory, and knew Cory had possessed a grey warden after their fight.
Fixed that for you.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 29, 2020 14:17:00 GMT
Re: Solas line. I've seen people analyze it a lot (me included) but what if...it was recorded juts to elevate the hype? Purely for marketing reasons? He says: "They call me the Dread Wolf. What will they call you once this is over?"- it gives me an impression (based on Garreth intonation) as if Solas is accusing someone, implying people will create even more obnoxious title for that person should he/she take some action. Now, why would the mass hate new PC for fighting against Solas? Who wants to destroy the current world? Or, alternatively, he is just being conversational at that moment. I dunno. Yeah. lack of context is jarring Could be referring to slave rebellions/ends justifying the means. Or carrying on the tradition from DAI of historical figures getting overwritten by later generations, like Ameridan or Solas himself.
Dread Wolf was what he was called after his slave rebellion. Freeing slaves is arguably a good thing, but he was reviled by several of those in power for it. PC could be facing a parallel situation. Also, could be portraying some bitterness over only being remembered as the Dread Wolf by those he arguably saved by raising the veil, if the Evanuris really were gonna kill the world otherwise.
Basically, both things show the cost of doing the right thing and how your good name can become Mudd, anyway. (Ironically, Dr. Mudd got shit for doing an objectively good thing, too, for a person he didn't know was bad.)
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 29, 2020 14:40:41 GMT
This could be a possibility. If the leaders are ignoring the problems, then they could sell themselves with that pitch. After all Lambert says that he bonded with Urian over their shared desire to "change the world", then after he helped him deliver his coup, Lambert discovered the truth. Instead of bringing about reform, Urian just consolidated his power with a blood bath of rivals using blood magic. I can understand why Lambert might be rather cynical about trusting mages after that. Seems to me that Lambert did not see the forest for trees. If you are a templar, every problem is due to magic or mages. I mean, he was from an orlesian noble family, right? Should have known about bloody political shenanigans then. Speaking of moral complexity in BW they have had prominent companion MAGE characters defend the circle system. Now most here do not like them, some may even call it slavery...yet a lot of mages in universe are perfectly content with it. Uhm... yeah. I'm just partially quoting panda's comment again, as he expressed it better than I could. (Besides, I've got the impression that a certain degree of circle defense is actually with the majority on this board.) Victims of abusive situations are often scared or unwilling to leave, for many reasons. That doesn't mean leaving them in those situations is ever the right thing to do. [...] A victim of abuse becoming so used to their situation that they can't conceive an alternative is a tragedy, not an argument in favour of abuse. As I already stated somewhere else, I'd be extremely pissed if we would end up being educated about Tevinter abuse while at the same times being harped to about the supposed necessity of Chantry-run circles. Or the continued existence of all the mental abuse Andrastianism tosses out to nearly everyone. Damn. 30 pages in just two days. I'd thought I would be more by now. The hype is already winding down. However, they then decided to bring Hawke back with regard to Corypheus, when there was nothing that they could actually tell the Inquisitor more than Varric could. They even made Hawke say they felt responsible for Corypheus, enough to even volunteer to be left in the Fade, which was ridiculous. It was the Grey Warden's mess to clear up and had been for the last 1000 years. (Not to mention how contrived that choice was). I never understood why Hawke was so pally with the Wardens all of a sudden and involving themselves in their affairs but not taking an interest in the mage/Templars situation. So true. "I'm a mage who was there when all went to shit, but trololl, I-don't-care. Corypheus is my responsibility, so lets go die to Spider Demon. Oh, and did I already rant about BLODD MAGICK this minute despite being a one myself and having friend-manced Merrill. Trolloll!"
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Post by The Elder King on Aug 29, 2020 14:43:53 GMT
I don’t understand the ‘clean up the previous’ guy’s mess’ being really a staple of DA. Hawke didn’t clean any mess left behind by the Warden. And while it’s true that the Inquisitor deals with the mage-templar plot and Corypheus, they’re not really messes left behind by Hawke. The latter has no way to know Corypheus could come back to life and possess a Warden. And the mage-Templar war isn’t something that it’s Hawke’s fault, either. I also would say that the Inquisitor left a mess behind about Solas. The Inquisitor has no way to know Solas’ intentions in the vanilla game, and in Trespassee, other then being seriously weakened by the mark’s situation, Solas became far more powerful to be dealt with at that moment. It is, however, a plot that it is distinctly related to the Inquisitor, although to be fair, even if was on a different scale, the same could he said for Hawke and Corypheus, so there’s a precedent on that. And there are people that can very well RP an Inquisitor to not dealing directly with Solas, or not wanting to fight on the frontline anymore. I don’t fault then for thinking that. I think both DA and ME’s approaches are valide, both have their pros and cons. The latter isn’t inherently the better choice, and I don’t mind DA having a different stance then the ME trilogy in regards of the PC. But it’s without question that Trespasser made it quite weird to not follow up with the Inquisitor. It’s a weird way to send off a PC, and certainly worse in that regard then the vanilla ending. ME having the same pc across 3 games was great. Origins worked because it was a complete story in a single game. However, the recent Dragon Age approach of having a continuing story but randomly changing the pc or abandoning plotlines doesn't work for me at all. I would like a continuing story between games if they followed through with it, but it is very frustrating for me the way they are handling continuing stories now with the arbitrary rule of having a new pc for each game. I never said that ME having the same protagonist for 3 game wasn’t great. I don’t think it’s however, in general, necessarily better then having a new protagonist each game. Each situation has their pros and cons. Now, I do agree on you with the different situation between DAO at one side, DA2 and DAI at the other. The latter two certainly gave more input on the possibility of a returning protagonist, Hawke in DAI and the Inquisitor in DA4. I can definitely understand why having a new protagonist in those case could generate a negative reaction, but it’s not due to the single protagonist per game rule, but on the way the game ended and left things off. I don’t understand the ‘clean up the previous’ guy’s mess’ being really a staple of DA. Hawke didn’t clean any mess left behind by the Warden. And while it’s true that the Inquisitor deals with the mage-templar plot and Corypheus, they’re not really messes left behind by Hawke. The latter has no way to know Corypheus could come back to life and possess a Warden. And the mage-Templar war isn’t something that it’s Hawke’s fault, either. I also would say that the Inquisitor left a mess behind about Solas. The Inquisitor has no way to know Solas’ intentions in the vanilla game, and in Trespassee, other then being seriously weakened by the mark’s situation, Solas became far more powerful to be dealt with at that moment. It is, however, a plot that it is distinctly related to the Inquisitor, although to be fair, even if was on a different scale, the same could he said for Hawke and Corypheus, so there’s a precedent on that. And there are people that can very well RP an Inquisitor to not dealing directly with Solas, or not wanting to fight on the frontline anymore. I don’t fault then for thinking that. I think both DA and ME’s approaches are valide, both have their pros and cons. The latter isn’t inherently the better choice, and I don’t mind DA having a different stance then the ME trilogy in regards of the PC. But it’s without question that Trespasser made it quite weird to not follow up with the Inquisitor. It’s a weird way to send off a PC, and certainly worse in that regard then the vanilla ending. Even the Hawke/Corypheus situation is more like vanilla DAI than Trespasser. Hawke was left thinking Cory was dead and had no reason to expect anymore on that front. Inky was left thinking Solas was apparently slightly shady(given his home village being nonexistent), but gone and perhaps likely never coming back, and that was that.
Trespasser is if Hawke knew Cory had possessed a grey warden after their fight.
I did say that the Hawke/Cory and Inquisitor/Solas situations are on a different scale, so I do agree with you on that. But, even if it’s just my opinion (this is all pretty subjective in the end, as other stated, they are more then fine with changing protagonist ), that Hawke’s role as the PC would’ve had an impact of a plethora of plots and characters. From the mage-Templar war, to Flemeth, the one who saved Hawke turning out to be a sort of deity, from returning characters like Cassandra, Varric, Cullen, Cassandra, Leliana, that has some ties with Hawke, to characters that has plots or backgrounds that are tied with plots Hawke dealt with (Bull, with the qunari plot in DA2, Dorian with the different views of Tevinter shown from Fenris’, or Vivienne, and the different choices made at the end of DA2). It’s quite subjective, but there’s no doubt for me that, given a somehow similar opinion on Hawke and the Inquisitor as protagonist, that an Hawke-Inquisitor would’ve lead to a deeper and experience of the plots and characters in DAI that had ties in DA2.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Aug 29, 2020 15:12:55 GMT
I'm trying to read the entire thread to catch up to everyone's theories and excitement, but I had to get my own excited rambling out of the way!
FINALLY BIOWARE HAS GIVEN US SOMETHING!
IT'S BEEN 6 YEARS SINCE INQUISITION WAS RELEASED.
Sometimes it feels like I'm in an estranged relationship where I'm hovering around for a drop of attention or affection, left on the line, unable to escape, because I remember the days where we were so good and whenever I begin to doubt us, my love gifts to me an unexpected surprise.
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 29, 2020 15:23:32 GMT
I feel like we still have a good idea of what we’re more likely to see.
We know we have a warden, most likely a companion or prominent character. It would be pretty weird for someone else to say ‘For the Wardens’ and if they are paying his VA, then it wouldn’t make sense to just scrap him.
I feel pretty confident that at least one companion will be a female Qunari. There’s enough images featuring one and it’s been requested by many a fan, so to tease one and then not deliver, is questionable (Though not entirely impossible).
I think there’s enough Crow references to justify thoughts of a crow companion or at least a background/class.
Also, The ‘skeleton’ guy in the water shot is definitely wearing a helmet. You can see the rim of the helmet and some of his head underneath, if you look at the closeup someone posted. The thing on top is probably something like the things on a typical roman helmet.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 29, 2020 15:31:21 GMT
*snip* I think that is where our new PC comes in and why it is said they are going to explore what it is like not to have power when those in power refuse to address the issues. However, starting out an insignificant nobody would be a good way to stay under the radar where Solas is concerned. I don't believe that initially they are going to be working for the shadow Inquisition but later on they are going to be approached by them. May be eventually we may even have a dual-protagonist situation when the final showdown with Solas occurs (if that is the way it is heading). *snip* A recurring theme in the comics that Nunzio DeFilippis and Christina Weir have been writing the past few years is people being approached by the Inquisition and asked to work for them. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if that carries over into DA4 as the way the new PC gets drawn into the fray.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2020 15:36:26 GMT
I'm trying to read the entire thread to catch up to everyone's theories and excitement, but I had to get my own excited rambling out of the way! FINALLY BIOWARE HAS GIVEN US SOMETHING! IT'S BEEN 6 YEARS SINCE INQUISITION WAS RELEASED. Sometimes it feels like I'm in an estranged relationship where I'm hovering around for a drop of attention or affection, left on the line, unable to escape, because I remember the days where we were so good and whenever I begin to doubt us, my love gifts to me an unexpected surprise. I literally was just commenting to my husband that my fandom has become muted in the last two years, but that I am obviously still obsessed with it. All I want to talk about at the moment.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Aug 29, 2020 15:39:08 GMT
How on earth ANYONE, can look at the dynamic between Solas and the Inquisitor and say "yea what we really need is a total stranger with absolutely no investment in this situation!" is fucking idiocracy in my eyes. No counter argument about "fabricating new investment" or "lol Inky's got 1 arm" is ever gonna change my mind. Good writers can easily overcome the 1 arm problem. Not all inquisitors' lives revolve around Solas and PERSONALLY stopping him. All my inquisitors don't talk to Solas during the entire game more than they are forced to. So for my inquisitors, them having a special vendetta against Solas would make absolutely no sense. It would be completely out of character for Bioware to force my inquisitor to relentlessly go after Solas. Also, calm down. I'm sorry, but Trespasser is canon, and Trespasser ends the same way, for every Inquisitor character. So using head canon justifications to avoid plot you don't want to deal with is irrelevant.
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Post by NeverlandHunter on Aug 29, 2020 15:43:01 GMT
I'm trying to read the entire thread to catch up to everyone's theories and excitement, but I had to get my own excited rambling out of the way! FINALLY BIOWARE HAS GIVEN US SOMETHING! IT'S BEEN 6 YEARS SINCE INQUISITION WAS RELEASED. Sometimes it feels like I'm in an estranged relationship where I'm hovering around for a drop of attention or affection, left on the line, unable to escape, because I remember the days where we were so good and whenever I begin to doubt us, my love gifts to me an unexpected surprise. I literally was just commenting to my husband that my fandom has become muted in the last two years, but that I am obviously still obsessed with it. All I want to talk about at the moment. I have such a strong connection to this fandom. I swear, it was my introduction to internet culture (I was a sheltered youth), and it's the first and only fandom I've really been involved in/obsessed over. I'm glad to see so many familiar names active!
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Post by witchcocktor on Aug 29, 2020 15:51:35 GMT
Not all inquisitors' lives revolve around Solas and PERSONALLY stopping him. All my inquisitors don't talk to Solas during the entire game more than they are forced to. So for my inquisitors, them having a special vendetta against Solas would make absolutely no sense. It would be completely out of character for Bioware to force my inquisitor to relentlessly go after Solas. Also, calm down. I'm sorry, but Trespasser is canon, and Trespasser ends the same way, for every Inquisitor character. So using head canon justifications to avoid plot you don't want to deal with is irrelevant. Yes, and Inquisitor saying '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' is major foreshadowing that the Inquisitor is only going to work in the background and let totally new people do most of the work. Tada.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2020 16:19:24 GMT
Yes, and Inquisitor saying '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' is major foreshadowing that the Inquisitor is only going to work in the background and let totally new people do most of the work. Tada. I think the point is that the focus of the Inky post trespasser is stopping Solas. Whatever level of involvement, which you admitted yourself is foreshadowed to be primarily in the background, the Inky declares they DO care enough to go after Solas. So people who say, "My inky doesn't care if Solas lives or dies outside of just making sure someone doesn't implode the world" is just head cannon. Every inquisitor declares they're going to directly interfere with his plans-- by moving people he doesn't know into his way (most likely. That doesn't mean the game will ONLY be that,just that Inky will be in the back till checkmate time.) Now, you could head canon that your Inky doesn't care to personally do the deed, but I think Bioware is very aware of the passion surrounding Solas ("fans want to kill him and marry him or both." -ala dev diary) Everyone else is just as free to head canon that their Inky is very deeply motivated to slit his throat. Both head canons are available until Bioware makes it otherwise impossible, but no one can head canon their Inky literally doesn't care. Bioware hard wired that dialogue. Inky officially cares about Solas.
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Post by witchcocktor on Aug 29, 2020 16:30:55 GMT
Yes, and Inquisitor saying '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' is major foreshadowing that the Inquisitor is only going to work in the background and let totally new people do most of the work. Tada. I think the point is that the focus of the Inky post trespasser is stopping Solas. Whatever level of involvement, which you admitted yourself is foreshadowed to be primarily in the background, the Inky declares they DO care enough to go after Solas. So people who say, "My inky doesn't care if Solas lives or dies outside of just making sure someone doesn't implode the world" is just head cannon. Every inquisitor declares they're going to directly interfere with his plans-- by moving people he doesn't know into his way (most likely. That doesn't mean the game will ONLY be that,just that Inky will be in the back till checkmate time.) Now, you could head canon that your Inky doesn't care to personally do the deed, but I think Bioware is very aware of the passion surrounding Solas ("fans want to kill him and marry him or both." -ala dev diary) Everyone else is just as free to head canon that their Inky is very deeply motivated to slit his throat. Both head canons are available until Bioware makes it otherwise impossible, but no one can head canon their Inky literally doesn't care. Bioware hard wired that dialogue. Inky officially cares about Solas. Inquisitor only cares enough to put something in motion, but the level of their involvement is COMPLETELY up in the air and also very tricky, since there's no room for the Inquisitor to move without Solas taking notice or disrupting their plans. So if we are to religiously follow what Bioware have thrown at us, we should also be pretty ready to disqualify the Inquisitor as any sort of major protagonist for the game. Anything less would sound pretty headcanon-y.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 16:33:22 GMT
Dread Wolf was what he was called after his slave rebellion. There was a degree of inconsistency in this. First off that is how Flemeth addresses him and I didn't get the sense she was being ironic. Second, what about all those big wolf statues around the place, particularly that one at the top of a mountain. I can't see his enemies allowing people to erect that after he rebelled against them. Every mosaic we discover has him shown as a wolf, unlike the other Evanuris where they are depicted as actual people, slightly odd looking ones, but nevertheless people. Why would he be shown with all the others if he was already the enemy of the gods? Lastly, the fact he had to deny he was a god to those who joined in his rebellion. If he had never been seen as a fellow god, why did the other elves believe this? So either he had always been seen as a wolf for some symbolic reason or he was called Dread Wolf by his enemies whilst he was still one of the gods, may be that was even how he achieved god status. May be he was even sponsored for godhood by Mythal for services rendered, just as Ghilan'nain was sponsored by Andruil. You see, I still think he was some form of spy master for Mythal, or dirty tricks operator behind the scenes when Mythal needed something done covertly. If he didn't have the status of the Dread Wolf long before his rebellion, none of the iconography connected with him makes any sense.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 29, 2020 16:37:28 GMT
I don’t understand the ‘clean up the previous’ guy’s mess’ being really a staple of DA. Hawke didn’t clean any mess left behind by the Warden. And while it’s true that the Inquisitor deals with the mage-templar plot and Corypheus, they’re not really messes left behind by Hawke. The latter has no way to know Corypheus could come back to life and possess a Warden. And the mage-Templar war isn’t something that it’s Hawke’s fault, either. I also would say that the Inquisitor left a mess behind about Solas. The Inquisitor has no way to know Solas’ intentions in the vanilla game, and in Trespassee, other then being seriously weakened by the mark’s situation, Solas became far more powerful to be dealt with at that moment. It is, however, a plot that it is distinctly related to the Inquisitor, although to be fair, even if was on a different scale, the same could he said for Hawke and Corypheus, so there’s a precedent on that. And there are people that can very well RP an Inquisitor to not dealing directly with Solas, or not wanting to fight on the frontline anymore. I don’t fault then for thinking that. I think both DA and ME’s approaches are valide, both have their pros and cons. The latter isn’t inherently the better choice, and I don’t mind DA having a different stance then the ME trilogy in regards of the PC. But it’s without question that Trespasser made it quite weird to not follow up with the Inquisitor. It’s a weird way to send off a PC, and certainly worse in that regard then the vanilla ending. ME having the same pc across 3 games was great. Origins worked because it was a complete story in a single game. However, the recent Dragon Age approach of having a continuing story but randomly changing the pc or abandoning plotlines doesn't work for me at all. I would like a continuing story between games if they followed through with it, but it is very frustrating for me the way they are handling continuing stories now with the arbitrary rule of having a new pc for each game. Eh, I'd rather have a different protagonist each game. Mass Effect has taught me you either retire a hero or you live long enough to f*ck up the galaxy for all eternity.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2020 16:37:39 GMT
I guess it depends how hard they're going to play the All Knowing Card. IF he can literally break into Inky's dreams, and the dreams of everyone they come in contact with, AND the people that THOSE people come in contact with in some sort of efficient fashion (because all that spying sounds rather time occupying and as far as we know, he doesn't have a batallion of dreamers to do this constant spying work for him) then there is no way the Inky can be involved. If they put a more reasonable limitation of Solas' omnipotence, than there can be some leeway via Inky - > Agent level 1-> agent level 2 -> Agent level 3? is finally where he isn't spying on them?
I don't need Inky to be involved every step of the way. I just want inky there for the Checkmate, and I want total control of that checkmate scene regarding actions and dialogue.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 16:48:04 GMT
If you are a templar, every problem is due to magic or mages. I mean, he was from an orlesian noble family, right? Should have known about bloody political shenanigans then. Clearly Urian won him over. Mind you, it has crossed my mind that may be he utilised a little bit of help via blood magic but did it so subtly that Lambert wasn't aware of it. So he saw corruption everywhere but right in front of him. I know Seekers are meant to be immune to blood magic mind control but that may be when you are attempting direct control. May be just obscuring the truth or altering his memory slightly would still be possible. Or may be Lambert wasn't a proper Seeker; he was after all made a Seeker at a very late age. Cassandra was considered almost too old at the age of 12, yet Lambert was 29. It must have something to do with the mind being more pliable when you are younger, more able to accept the process that leads to gaining the powers. So his mind was too fixed for the spirit to join up permanently.
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Post by turianlannister on Aug 29, 2020 16:58:28 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa I recognize and empathize with your disappointment over the potential near entire loss of an Inky/Solas resolution that satisfies long term fans. I am simulataneously disappointed about the things that could have been, the characters and storylines I thought I would get to explore, and excited about the characters I never considered. Optimistic but not excited about the storylines. I'm a warden hoe, so that was a big reveal for me, whereas I could care less about the evanuris and even less about the titans. Always knew this was going to be one of the directions the story went, but still kinda like MEH. Gotta tie off Solas, but otherwise the evanuris could hang. But what keeps me optimistic is that I may not care at all now, but once I encounter these villains, the world they're in, I may care A LOT. My character may care SO MUCH. But we're not to that point yet. You are on a fan forum, so the outlook is going to be faily positive, so please don't feel unheard. I think a lot of solas mancers are feeling unheard right now, as well as the people who felt strongly, like you and I, that our Inky needed to be the ones to sink the blade into Solas. As for being unheard, considering I got banned for a day for expressing my disappointment I think it's fair to say I am being unheard, since when I am heard I'm silenced. I'd say it's more likely because you told another poster to **** off in one of your posts in this thread
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 29, 2020 17:04:19 GMT
I guess it depends how hard they're going to play the All Knowing Card. IF he can literally break into Inky's dreams, and the dreams of everyone they come in contact with, AND the people that THOSE people come in contact with in some sort of efficient fashion (because all that spying sounds rather time occupying and as far as we know, he doesn't have a batallion of dreamers to do this constant spying work for him) then there is no way the Inky can be involved. If they put a more reasonable limitation of Solas' omnipotence, than there can be some leeway via Inky - > Agent level 1-> agent level 2 -> Agent level 3? is finally where he isn't spying on them? I don't need Inky to be involved every step of the way. I just want inky there for the Checkmate, and I want total control of that checkmate scene regarding actions and dialogue. I like the idea of it being a team effort, reminiscent of Norse mythology. Týr sacrifices an arm to keep the great wolf occupied for a while. But it’s Víðarr who finishes the job, clad in a shoe made of the scraps of leather everyone else discarded. Both steps are important - Týr‘s contribution is about delaying Ragnarök, while Víðarr‘s is about ending it and surviving into the new age beyond.
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