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Post by General Mahad on Aug 29, 2020 19:07:14 GMT
That's what I thought, and Conal just touched on this on Twitter too. Conal Pierse @conalpierseWhat if Dragon Age, but gun?!? I guess it is no surprise with gatlock present in the lore. Intriguing to say the least, curious how they will handle it. In Trespasser, we saw Qunari having multi-barreled gatlock cannons positioned around their fort. So I’m guessing they are going to go with early hand-cannons. They could also do what Ghost of Tsushima did and have extremely short-range, hand cannon clubs that have a strong knockdown/stun damage.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 29, 2020 19:24:03 GMT
When I finished Tresspasser I thought the idea that I saw presented on here that the Inquisitor would be the protag for 4 as more then a little idiotic. After all the precedent, everything that happened to the Inquisitor during Trespasser, and all the foreshadowing pointed to a new group of characters leading the war. For me the Inquisitors story was over. More over then I felt Hawkes was at the end of DA 2 even.
We also can't dismiss a new character out of hand. Patrick's little speech, while concerning in some ways, is pretty much the whole reason I am excited to play as a new character. Solas and the Inquisitor are big powerful chess master type people here, it could be super fun...not to mention engaging philosophically to have to manuever between their two agendas. In other words the Inquisitor has grown to be the most powerful character in the setting, even without the mark, and a chosen one. We've played as Anakin Skywalker or Luke. Now its time to play as Oliver Queen or Rey.
And as some people have mentioned even the players may not be invested in the relationship. Mine for instance has already fought one god she has no interest in fighting another. And living in semi retirement with Cullen in Ferelden or Kirkwall.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 29, 2020 19:27:34 GMT
When I finished Tresspasser I thought the idea that I saw presented on here that the Inquisitor would be the protag for 4 as more then a little idiotic. After all the precedent, everything that happened to the Inquisitor during Trespasser, and all the foreshadowing pointed to a new group of characters leading the war. We also can't dismiss a new character out of hand. Patrick's little speech, while concerning in some ways, is pretty much the whole reason I am excited to play as a new character. Solas and the Inquisitor are big powerful chess master type people here, it could be super fun...not to mention engaging philosophically to have to manuever between their two agendas. In other words the Inquisitor has grown to be the most powerful character in the setting, even without the mark, and a chosen one. We've played as Anakin Skywalker or Luke. Now its time to play as Oliver Queen or Rey. And as some people have mentioned even the players may not be invested in the relationship. Mine for instance has already fought one god she has no interest in fighting another. And living in semi retirement with Cullen in Ferelden or Kirkwall.
Then why was she planning in the basement with Cass and Leliana?
I think all of our Inquisitors can want to deal, or not deal, with more BS as much as they please. But, no matter what, they are still doing so. They're involved, regardless of our headcanon or input.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 29, 2020 19:29:41 GMT
I’m on mobile so I’m unable to show the images, but about the underwater concept art and the 4-character formation concept art:
The male in the underwater image (who looks like Dorian), and the blonde female in the formation image are wearing the same armor. I wonder if it’s a faction armor, or, even more so, our protagonist armor? Every other character has an iconic look, but those characters are the only ones who share the same armor.
I also wonder how recent each concept art is. If the female Qunari is the same character throughout the pieces, then I can only surmise that the the “heroic” concept art is older than the rest of the concept art, as her silver-haired look is being embraced by both the fans and the devs.
Another interesting notion... could Davrin be depicted on the TN cover? We see the red-headed female character, also on the cover, depicted in the underwater concept art (I believe this art is recent). To appear twice, she must hold some significance - maybe she’s a companion, as well as Davrin? That then leads me to believe who the other characters depicted could be. Could they also be companions?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 29, 2020 19:32:17 GMT
When I finished Tresspasser I thought the idea that I saw presented on here that the Inquisitor would be the protag for 4 as more then a little idiotic. After all the precedent, everything that happened to the Inquisitor during Trespasser, and all the foreshadowing pointed to a new group of characters leading the war. We also can't dismiss a new character out of hand. Patrick's little speech, while concerning in some ways, is pretty much the whole reason I am excited to play as a new character. Solas and the Inquisitor are big powerful chess master type people here, it could be super fun...not to mention engaging philosophically to have to manuever between their two agendas. In other words the Inquisitor has grown to be the most powerful character in the setting, even without the mark, and a chosen one. We've played as Anakin Skywalker or Luke. Now its time to play as Oliver Queen or Rey. And as some people have mentioned even the players may not be invested in the relationship. Mine for instance has already fought one god she has no interest in fighting another. And living in semi retirement with Cullen in Ferelden or Kirkwall.
Then why was she planning in the basement with Cass and Leliana?
I think all of our Inquisitors can want to deal, or not deal, with more BS as much as they please. But, no matter what, they are still doing so. They're involved, regardless of our headcanon or input.
and what did she say then? That they were hella vulnerable and they needed to find new people to stop him. And yes my Inquisitor is still quite busy but it's not hands on field work. Until we get more info from bioware on the subject she is living in Kirkwall trying to hunt for info on Solas, trying to find these new people, but also trying to reform things behind the scenes to show Solas his plan is not needed. But confront the Dread Wolf personally? I'd be content if the only thing we see from them in 4 is notes.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Aug 29, 2020 19:32:25 GMT
When I finished Tresspasser I thought the idea that I saw presented on here that the Inquisitor would be the protag for 4 as more then a little idiotic. After all the precedent, everything that happened to the Inquisitor during Trespasser, and all the foreshadowing pointed to a new group of characters leading the war. We also can't dismiss a new character out of hand. Patrick's little speech, while concerning in some ways, is pretty much the whole reason I am excited to play as a new character. Solas and the Inquisitor are big powerful chess master type people here, it could be super fun...not to mention engaging philosophically to have to manuever between their two agendas. In other words the Inquisitor has grown to be the most powerful character in the setting, even without the mark, and a chosen one. We've played as Anakin Skywalker or Luke. Now its time to play as Oliver Queen or Rey. And as some people have mentioned even the players may not be invested in the relationship. Mine for instance has already fought one god she has no interest in fighting another. And living in semi retirement with Cullen in Ferelden or Kirkwall.
Then why was she planning in the basement with Cass and Leliana?
I think all of our Inquisitors can want to deal, or not deal, with more BS as much as they please. But, no matter what, they are still doing so. They're involved, regardless of our headcanon or input.
Even as recently as Tevinter Nights, The Inquisitor is confirmed to decidedly NOT be retired. They are still running the show, as far as the Inquisition is concerned.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 29, 2020 19:47:20 GMT
Mine for instance has already fought one god she has no interest in fighting another. And living in semi retirement with Cullen in Ferelden or Kirkwall. She better enjoy it while it lasts, with the whole Solas destroying the entire world thing that’s going on, which she is very aware of.
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Post by Frost on Aug 29, 2020 20:00:36 GMT
Never played that game, but if I recall opinions about it were...mixed. Can you give a good example? I thought this was great. OBVIOUS SPOILERS FOR DBH I had really conflicting emotions, because these two characters are literally on different sides during this conversation, so it was hard to espouse (as a player from one moment to the next during timed conversation) the conflicting desires of both characters. But without the time limit and with two characters who have a common enemy, as DA4 protag and Inky will have, then it would be easier to roleplay, and I wouldn't have had in the moment confusion. If connor doesn't go deviant in this scene, he continues to be a sort of villain that you then play. It gets even more conflicting later, because they actively go into battle against each other and you have to finally choose between them. That made the game cool to me, but that sort of thing probably won't come up in DA4, I just mention it extra because that may be why people send mixed things about it. I found it unique, challenging, interesting, genius. That scene was great! When I was playing the game, I was very excited to see the two pcs meet and then talk!!!
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 20:06:11 GMT
Here's a more complete image of the Qunari Giant from Matt Rhodes' Artstation I'm probably being dense, but please can you explain why everyone is calling this a Qunari Giant. I can't see the head and don't feel the armour is conclusively Qunari, so am I missing something?
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Post by Solas on Aug 29, 2020 20:11:11 GMT
dadithinkimgay I wondered if the black Grey Warden/Grey Warden-esque figure on the TN cover art could be Davrin. It would be neat if BW were casting VAs that are reflective of the races of their characters. We've never had a black guy companion in a main party member slot before and East Asian-coded people are weirdly non-existent at the moment in Thedas, except in one or two cases which aren't clear and require headcanoning. I've also seen it wondered if the third from the left figure in the lineup is Davrin. Running with the TN cover art theory for kicks, if Bellara is a Dalish elf as some speculate (due to her name) she could be the blond elf (Mythal vallaslin, how apt. altho this elf doesn't appear to be East Asian), and 'Harding' could be the archer. The flying (lol) qunari looks kinda generic to me, but fairly generic male qunari chars appear twice in the BTS concept arts. He could be the one in the "Qunari, Blond Mage, 'Harding' and 'Default Inquisitor'" shot.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 20:15:35 GMT
Another interesting notion... could Davrin be depicted on the TN cover? I did wonder about this myself. The two male Wardens that feature in the stories are never explicitly described so far as I can recall. You are just left to imagine what they look like. That guy on the cover, though, does suit the attitude of the VA. It also occurred to me that really none of the people we see on the cover seem to feature in the stories: dual wielding Dalish with light vallaslin, lady archer with red hair. At a stretch the leaping Qunari could be Saarbrak from Three Trees to Midnight but that's about it. For people unfamiliar with the cover:
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2020 20:29:49 GMT
The male in the underwater image (who looks like Dorian), and the blonde female in the formation image are wearing the same armor. I wonder if it’s a faction armor, or, even more so, our protagonist armor? Every other character has an iconic look, but those characters are the only ones who share the same armor. The fourth figure from the left in the 8 character line up also has similar armour design on the arms, so it could be faction armour or may be something specifically Tevinter.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 29, 2020 20:33:29 GMT
Interesting. The more I look at the archer character, the more I see Harding. The hair, hairline, and eyes match. Harding uses a bow, this character uses a bow. I wasn’t that convinced before, but now I’m leaning towards that idea.
The generic Qunari probably looks less generic up close. I dig his tattoo design, that’s for sure.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 29, 2020 20:35:21 GMT
Never played that game, but if I recall opinions about it were...mixed. Can you give a good example? I thought this was great. OBVIOUS SPOILERS FOR DBH I had really conflicting emotions, because these two characters are literally on different sides during this conversation, so it was hard to espouse (as a player from one moment to the next during timed conversation) the conflicting desires of both characters. But without the time limit and with two characters who have a common enemy, as DA4 protag and Inky will have, then it would be easier to roleplay, and I wouldn't have had in the moment confusion. If connor doesn't go deviant in this scene, he continues to be a sort of villain that you then play. It gets even more conflicting later, because they actively go into battle against each other and you have to finally choose between them. That made the game cool to me, but that sort of thing probably won't come up in DA4, I just mention it extra because that may be why people send mixed things about it. I found it unique, challenging, interesting, genius. Never played that game, but if I recall opinions about it were...mixed. Can you give a good example? Spoilers for Detroit: You play three protagonists and they sometimes conflict. There's a scene where one is on the run from the other and you get to play as both, first as the one running away, then the scene switches to the one chasing and you choose whether he continues the chase or not, whether you make the button prompts and he dies or not. As the other one you also make the button prompts or not and can end her story in that chapter. Or you can avoid everything entirely by steatlhing correctly and her not getting spotted and having no chase at all.
You persuade one of the characters to turn deviant or not, can fail or succeed the persuasion, and also the options available to the persuadee on whether to accept the offer or not are determined by previous choices in the game. (EDIT: talking about the scene Phoray linked)
There's loads of different outcomes available due to player choice and, as the game hits midpoint onwards, you do end up playing both sides of the encounter, sometimes simultaneously.
Okay, I watched the video and read the descriptions so if Bioware was able to do that, I think it would be tolerable. I'd want it to be dual protagonists the whole game and not just the final mission however. In a past thread I remember discussing having the Inquisitor dealing with the Solas plot and a new PC dealing with some other plot like the Qun/Tevinter War and eventually finding themselves on the same path. At that point working together as a two-pronged move. To use an example, Halo 2 did this kind of dual protagonist well with Master Chief and the Arbiter. The question now is whether or not Bioware is capable of doing that well, if they are at all which I'm still certain they aren't.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 29, 2020 20:37:10 GMT
Because it was bothering me, I whipped out The Art of Dragon Age Inquisition and yep, Solas' concept art shown in video (I mean face shots) make him look more like his previous concept art than his game self. And I find this: Guy from concept art from video... ...and concept art from DAI. A funny coincidence considering everything said in this thread It's not just some concept art, it's concept art of the (default) Inquisitor..! ✨ Yeah, I am not willing to give up hope yet... 😅
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Aug 29, 2020 20:43:12 GMT
The male in the underwater image (who looks like Dorian), and the blonde female in the formation image are wearing the same armor. I wonder if it’s a faction armor, or, even more so, our protagonist armor? Every other character has an iconic look, but those characters are the only ones who share the same armor. The fourth figure from the left in the 8 character line up also has similar armour design on the arms, so it could be faction armour or may be something specifically Tevinter. But they’re not even close to identical as the characters I described. The characters I described are wearing the same armor. It’s definitely giving me Tevinter vibes, but also the “Adventurer Armor” vibes, which each Inquisitor begins with at the start of their adventure.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 29, 2020 21:06:18 GMT
Here's a more complete image of the Qunari Giant from Matt Rhodes' Artstation I'm probably being dense, but please can you explain why everyone is calling this a Qunari Giant. I can't see the head and don't feel the armour is conclusively Qunari, so am I missing something? When I saw its armor first thing that came to my mind was Qunari. Coloring matches (red strings, teal armor pieces), mask resembles Qunari symbol, as well as some of Qunari masks we saw in Inquisition. Some reference: Plus these horns...
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Post by Solas on Aug 29, 2020 21:54:37 GMT
consider
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Post by colfoley on Aug 29, 2020 22:00:45 GMT
consider
the Wardens are occupied doing who knows what + fan theories that a ‘double’ or ‘super’ Blight is coming (2 Archdemons) + the official site update image filename contains “Blight” + the spread of red lyrium in DAI & clear abundance of it in DA4 teases + red lyrium darkspawn from concept art + Ghilan’nain mutated darkspawn from TN (( = ??? super double red lyrium mutated wardenslollygaggin ultrablight????? with double whip sprinkles and soy milk and a partridge in a pear tree)) I dont know a double blight sounds like a true endgame scenario to me.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 29, 2020 22:06:25 GMT
consider
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Post by Cantina on Aug 29, 2020 22:12:10 GMT
I am optimistic. DAI was NOT a good game, nor was it a bad game, it was just meh and a mess. The writing was bad, the main story was just awful, the world was empty, most of the companions were over the top or uninteresting, bugs, the horrible hairstyles, forgetting their own lore and I can go on and on. Bioware spent more time creating pretty trees then focusing on the quality of writing. In the video they seem more interested, (once again)on how the game looks. Oh, motion capture. Oooo AHH. (rolls eyes). Considering how Andromeda and Anthem did, I have very little hope DA4 is going to be any better. And Mark Durrah being in charge, well, I would not trust him to run a bath. Back before DAI came out, I recall reading an article where Bioware said their inspiration was looking heavily into Skyrim. I know all too well, other game companies will use something another game uses. But to go so far as to use it as a primary focus to build your game that was a huge red flag. If I wanted to play Skyrim, I would go play Skyrim. And of course turns out I was correct, most places I read the reviews and the grade comes out to be a C. (And don't say, "Well it won game of the year." There are lots of movies, music etc that were awful and won rewards anyways. Even game rewards can be desperate). DAI could have been better if they went back to what made Origins an amazing game and use of their imagination. But they didn't. Bioware sold their souls to E.A. And in the past they seemed to care about the quality of the game they were creating. Once DA2 came out, it was the beginning of the end for Dragon Age. Now what they sell is a turd wrapped in fake gold, all the while Bioware is happy to put out this crap let alone take peoples money. What happened to their integrity?!!? After seeing this video, several red flags and sirens went off. Is DA4 going to be good? I cannot say until I play it. But as of right now my answer will be, no. It could turn out to be a good game, it won't, but it could. ... I don't think "optimistic" means what you think it means. It sounds like I hit a fanboy nerve. If you're going to disagree. Fine disagree. But putting my education into question makes me wonder about your education.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 29, 2020 22:14:20 GMT
I’m on mobile so I’m unable to show the images, but about the underwater concept art and the 4-character formation concept art: The male in the underwater image (who looks like Dorian), and the blonde female in the formation image are wearing the same armor. I wonder if it’s a faction armor, or, even more so, our protagonist armor? Every other character has an iconic look, but those characters are the only ones who share the same armor. The armguard (more specifically a manica) is similar to an ancient Zevran's Crow armor concept art and also seen on a fully dressed Crow in a DA4 concept art (the Fat Lady kidnapping/transport) and on MisterManyPouches on the group shot beside the two you named. Going by how it was associated to the Crows before this behind the scene, it's probably Antivan in origins in Thedas (it is Roman/Italian in RL).
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Post by azarhal on Aug 29, 2020 22:17:10 GMT
Another interesting notion... could Davrin be depicted on the TN cover? I did wonder about this myself. The two male Wardens that feature in the stories are never explicitly described so far as I can recall. You are just left to imagine what they look like. That guy on the cover, though, does suit the attitude of the VA. It also occurred to me that really none of the people we see on the cover seem to feature in the stories: dual wielding Dalish with light vallaslin, lady archer with red hair. At a stretch the leaping Qunari could be Saarbrak from Three Trees to Midnight but that's about it. For people unfamiliar with the cover: This group shot makes me think of the 4 "mages" attacking the giant centipede concept art:
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Post by Reznore on Aug 29, 2020 22:20:56 GMT
Ghilan’nain mutated darkspawn from TN A what now??? Didn't read the book. And I don't wanna read the book but Ghilan'nain messing with darkspawn sounds interesting, damn.
I still want the Madman of Chaos darkspawn. He's a old pal of Cory and the Architect. If one can explain what happened in the Golden City, my bets are on the Madman of Chaos.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 29, 2020 22:25:03 GMT
Ghilan’nain mutated darkspawn from TN A what now??? Didn't read the book. And I don't wanna read the book but Ghilan'nain messing with darkspawn sounds interesting, damn.
I still want the Madman of Chaos darkspawn. He's a old pal of Cory and the Architect. If one can explain what happened in the Golden City, my bets are on the Madman of Chaos. To summarize.
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