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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 1:47:33 GMT
Basically, I want the option to defeat Solas with a team of bumbling incompetents. Party: *Stumble into ritual room where Solas is executing magic to destroy the Veil* **Hic** AssassinCreedWannabe: *Ask the elves around if they want some drinks* **Hic** Not!Rasaan: *Can stand straight, fall down and stab to death the nearest elf in a trance* *Solas lose control of the ritual* *Hic* GirlWithGun: *Try to shoot some bottle aligned on the wall, miss and hit the idol standing on a pedestal in the middle of the room making it fly* UndeadFlameHead: *grip the idol and try to eat it* Solas: *Nooooooooooooo* *UndeadFlameHead turn into a glowing red monster*
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 31, 2020 1:50:24 GMT
If it’s Rasaan that would be the third Ben-Hassrath we’ve partied up with. I posit that it’s someone currently or previously under the Arigena, for the following very scientific reasons: Strangely enough, Rasaan isn't Ben-Hassrath, she's a Tamassran.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 31, 2020 2:03:12 GMT
If it’s Rasaan that would be the third Ben-Hassrath we’ve partied up with. I posit that it’s someone currently or previously under the Arigena, for the following very scientific reasons: Strangely enough, Rasaan isn't Ben-Hassrath, she's a Tamassran. Ah you’re right, I should have said “third person under the Ariqun.” I wish we had a less awkward way of referring to people by which member of the triumvirate they report to. (my other very relevant points still stand)
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Post by colfoley on Aug 31, 2020 2:04:02 GMT
Protagonist: Solas your time is done! Your evil plans are over! I offer you one last chance to repent of your evil ways!
Solas: never!
Protag: then prepare to-
*the drunk Dwarf party member trips on their feet and launches a knife at the idol which cuts its cord dropping it into a deep chasm*
Protag:- or we could do that...
Solas: no!
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Post by bshep on Aug 31, 2020 2:14:28 GMT
Protagonist: Solas your time is done! Your evil plans are over! I offer you one last chance to repent of your evil ways! Solas: never! Protag: then prepare to- *the drunk Dwarf party member trips on their feet and launches a knife at the idol which cuts its cord dropping it into a deep chasm* Protag:- or we could do that... Solas: no! Solas: I still needed to make my whole speech before destroying the world! You ruined it...
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 31, 2020 2:48:00 GMT
I wasn’t a huge fan of how Inquisition did utility skills, because it reduced them to needing a mage or a warrior rather than “the mage who’s good at infiltration” or “the warrior who grew up a farmer, and has traded some fighting ability for raw lifting ability”. Maybe I’m alone in this, but as much as we bitch about Zevran’s utter inability to live up to his lockpicking claims, there’s something so charming about that dynamic. Of having a rogue I bring along when I need chests picked, and maybe a different one who’s better at laying traps. And, sometimes, I bring the wrong one, and that gives me something to look forward to in the next playthrough. But if utility skills are part of the skill tree just like combat skills, I’d love to see all the classes get involved in their own way! Maybe we could have the best of Origins’ utility/combat tradeoffs, but without everything being powered by cunning. I see. Doesn't sound bad either. Unless... well, the only dude having all the useful utility skills at start is a dick. (Though if that Lucanis guy is around, he'll probably start with maxed everything anyway. ) Protagonist: Solas your time is done! Your evil plans are over! I offer you one last chance to repent of your evil ways! Solas: never! Protag: then prepare to- *one armed she-elf darts in and shoves everyone away* Nah, get outta my way, kid.
Solas: Whut?
Lavellan *executes a critical bitch-slap, Solas drops the idol*
*Fade rift opens over Solas, Hawke falls out and crushes him*
Hawke: Spider! Spider? What? Where? Oh, how did that happen? It's not my fault!
Lavellan: *sighs* Spoilsport.
The EndFixed that for you.
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Post by arvaarad on Aug 31, 2020 3:26:43 GMT
I wasn’t a huge fan of how Inquisition did utility skills, because it reduced them to needing a mage or a warrior rather than “the mage who’s good at infiltration” or “the warrior who grew up a farmer, and has traded some fighting ability for raw lifting ability”. Maybe I’m alone in this, but as much as we bitch about Zevran’s utter inability to live up to his lockpicking claims, there’s something so charming about that dynamic. Of having a rogue I bring along when I need chests picked, and maybe a different one who’s better at laying traps. And, sometimes, I bring the wrong one, and that gives me something to look forward to in the next playthrough. But if utility skills are part of the skill tree just like combat skills, I’d love to see all the classes get involved in their own way! Maybe we could have the best of Origins’ utility/combat tradeoffs, but without everything being powered by cunning. I see. Doesn't sound bad either. Unless... well, the only dude having all the useful utility skills at start is a dick. Agree, it would be cooler if it’s spread around. Utility skills give party members some immediate character flavor, more so than combat skills. Combat skills have some flavor, but they all basically have the same effect — help make enemies die. So while it’s kind of interesting that, say, Cole is good at assassination, in the heat of combat it’s not that different from what everyone else is doing (killing enemies). If someone joins the team with high lockpicking skills, or is really good at moving rock falls, or finding hidden glyphs, then that talent is a lot more memorable. Rather than just helping to kill people, it does something unique. There’s some real story meat there, either in their background or the time they’ve spent travelling with the PC.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Aug 31, 2020 5:32:06 GMT
I’m kinda hoping for Qunari Lady to be Tal Vasoth since we never had one of those before.
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Post by Rascoth on Aug 31, 2020 6:22:37 GMT
I don't know how I feel about qunari lady possibly being Rasaan. While Rasaan might bring some interesting insight and tie-ins, I would prefer qunari not affiliated with the Qun altogether, just to see Vashoth's side without having to pick Inquisitor (and Inquisitor - despite being Vashoth - wasn't the best example anyway, since they were controlled by player).
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 31, 2020 6:49:37 GMT
I wasn’t a huge fan of how Inquisition did utility skills, because it reduced them to needing a mage or a warrior rather than “the mage who’s good at infiltration” or “the warrior who grew up a farmer, and has traded some fighting ability for raw lifting ability”. Maybe I’m alone in this, but as much as we bitch about Zevran’s utter inability to live up to his lockpicking claims, there’s something so charming about that dynamic. Of having a rogue I bring along when I need chests picked, and maybe a different one who’s better at laying traps. And, sometimes, I bring the wrong one, and that gives me something to look forward to in the next playthrough. But if utility skills are part of the skill tree just like combat skills, I’d love to see all the classes get involved in their own way! Maybe we could have the best of Origins’ utility/combat tradeoffs, but without everything being powered by cunning. I see. Doesn't sound bad either. Unless... well, the only dude having all the useful utility skills at start is a dick. (Though if that Lucanis guy is around, he'll probably start with maxed everything anyway. ) Protagonist: Solas your time is done! Your evil plans are over! I offer you one last chance to repent of your evil ways! Solas: never! Protag: then prepare to- *one armed she-elf darts in and shoves everyone away* Nah, get outta my way, kid.
Solas: Whut?
Lavellan *executes a critical bitch-slap, Solas drops the idol*
*Fade rift opens over Solas, Hawke falls out and crushes him*
Hawke: Spider! Spider? What? Where? Oh, how did that happen? It's not my fault!
Lavellan: *sighs* Spoilsport.
The EndFixed that for you. "Oh, how did that happen? It's not my fault!" is the story of Hawke's life and the title of Varric's upcoming sequel to Champion of Kirkwall.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 31, 2020 7:51:17 GMT
I just noticed but this is probably old news for people but Ike Amadi played Jaavik. . Which given how much I hated him shouldn't be making me as excited as I am.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 31, 2020 9:34:52 GMT
Do you suppose the gigantic stone head in the foreground could be the statue of Elgar'nan we heard about? I always thought that was over in the Exalted Plains because of that huge hand we found there but we don't know in what context this image might appear, so it could even be a flash back/Fade vision or alternatively a location that was originally dedicated to the elven gods and Elgar'nan had another one of his statues. A bit of a stretch, but I was thinking it could be inside of a Titan. The mountains have a peculiar shape, pointed upward like pillars, protruding through the other side of the clouds. Maybe it’s the land beneath the clouds we see in Descent? Renn, the Legionare in Descent, did say that a dwarf came back from being lost in the deep roads and spoke of “floating boats”, only for them to lose their memory shortly afterward. It could also be an “in between” world, like the Crossroads. We’ve seen floating stuff there. Whatever it is, it’s something we’ve never seen before, and I’m leaning toward it being a base/safe haven, at the very least. Perhaps from The Dread Wolf’s grasps? Oh! Good point, I'd forgotten about the floating boats in the deep roads.
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Post by xMissWoox on Aug 31, 2020 10:24:21 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for:
* Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni
All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 31, 2020 10:36:01 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Yes that is the main reason that line is a bit of a headscratcher/ worry position for me. Howeer there are still three possibilities: A. Since they are in Tevinter we could still have the authorities of Tevinter...and indeed Northern Thedas nations like Antiva or Rivain...ignoring him and the threat he posses. B. Even the authorities in the South were trying to bury all information that they could about the Inquisition...as per Callback. Yes it might be the height of foolishness but they could simply be ignoring the threat because to acknowledge it would be to acknowledge the Inquisition. Though yes the Divine at least should not fall so easily into this argument. C. Perhaps more understandably all the other factions could have their own, more immediete, probalems to deal with. Solas would be someone who seems to thrive on chaos and you have, at the very least, a Qunari war. And who knows what other threats could be rising out of nowhere but I have heard, and theorized around here: Slave rebellions, another blight, the rise of the Ghilla'nans monsters, the Executors, and who knows what else could cause all of Thedas to go 'yes we know Solas is a threat but we have to focus on the real threat' first. Not to mention its not exacly clear who knows what.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 31, 2020 11:16:28 GMT
I just noticed but this is probably old news for people but Ike Amadi played Jaavik. . Which given how much I hated him shouldn't be making me as excited as I am. Henc eth ecomment I made unde rthe pos twhen I asw his picture because I remembered that. Umnfortunatel ythere's no airlocks for him to throw anyone out of but still. He ma ynot have had the mos tpleasant of personalities but w edid learn a fair bit about the protheans through him.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 31, 2020 11:22:22 GMT
Lol! (just joking) when the game does come out you can bumble all you want I'm serious, it would be great. Picture this: Solas towers over the bloodied and beaten protagonist. Meanwhile, lady Qunari tiptoes across the crumbling rafters of the elven ruin, towards the lyrium idol hovering menacingly in the air. She slips, tumbles off the rotting wooden beam, plummeting headfirst towards the ground "They call me the Dread Wolf. What will they call you, when all this is ov-" Solas' monologue is cut short as he is suddenly impaled through the chest and stomach by a pair of qunari horns. He falls forwards. Lady Qunari, stuck upside-down, horns firmly embedded in elf-wizard corpse, gives you a non-plussed shrug. Credits roll. Death by being horny I like that.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 11:46:20 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. I was thinking this too..... but then we have people like the Black Divine, the Archon, Sten-ishok, etc. and factions like the Crows, the Executors, Kal-Sharok. Leaders and organizations whose priorities and loyalties we either don't know or could shift. So I imagine there'll be plenty of powerlessness in the north.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 11:52:42 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Or the plot isn't about Solas's little plan, that came and went already Or it's been long enough that these people are dead of old age, as Solas is already thousand of years old, pretty much immortal and his plan was never something urgently needed. he can take all the time he wants. Or some social/political upheaval happened and these are no more. I don't the see the Qun abandoning their hunt for Solas and they knew/started before everyone else.
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Post by fistoffiori on Aug 31, 2020 12:18:59 GMT
Or some social/political upheaval happened and these are no more. Yeah, deposed or chucked out of their position by agents of Solas to downplay his threat and hinder stopping him, or not Solas' people but simply those who do not believe the threat Solas poses.
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Post by cymercenary285 on Aug 31, 2020 12:30:58 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Apart from the Divine, Dorian and Varric, I doubt the rest know of the truth about Solas. It is never indicated that anyone beyond the inquisition was told about the events at trespasser. Still you need to look back at Origins, everyone knew the blight was coming but HoF had to jump through several hopes to get the supprot he needed and get everyone focused on the blight. See my sig.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 31, 2020 13:44:29 GMT
I don't think people beyond the Inner Circle and the Inquisition know about Solas' plans. If they did, I'd expect there to be a lot more elf massacres going on already. Most Thedosians already care very little for elven lives; if they thought the elves were actually going to be a threat to them, they'd be slaughtering everyone in the alienages and hunting down Dalish clans.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 14:04:25 GMT
I don't think people beyond the Inner Circle and the Inquisition know about Solas' plans. If they did, I'd expect there to be a lot more elf massacres going on already. Most Thedosians already care very little for elven lives; if they thought the elves were actually going to be a threat to them, they'd be slaughtering everyone in the alienages and hunting down Dalish clans. This is true but there is also the "head in the sand" syndrome that those in power often seem to suffer from. Hawke uncovered a network of Qunari spies but people refused to believe it could be true (even after what the Arishok did). In fact Leliana seemed not to believe it seeing as she never questioned the credentials of the elves joining up from Kirkwall, where a whole mass of them attacked alongside the Arishok. Also, they are so convinced about the truth of the Chantry version of history, they would be in a state of denial that the elven god was anything other than a deranged demon possessed elf. Look at Sera's reaction to the Temple of Mythal. It can't be true and the Maker be true, so that was just a ruin full of demons. So can you imagine going to the Tevinter Magisterium and suggesting that some elven god was threatening their very existence? They'd laugh the person out of there or scornfully send them packing. Which is probably why they say it is going to be left to the little guys with no power to do something because the bigwigs are ignoring the threat.
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Post by ladyiolanthe on Aug 31, 2020 14:17:39 GMT
I don't think people beyond the Inner Circle and the Inquisition know about Solas' plans. If they did, I'd expect there to be a lot more elf massacres going on already. Most Thedosians already care very little for elven lives; if they thought the elves were actually going to be a threat to them, they'd be slaughtering everyone in the alienages and hunting down Dalish clans. This is true but there is also the "head in the sand" syndrome that those in power often seem to suffer from. Hawke uncovered a network of Qunari spies but people refused to believe it could be true (even after what the Arishok did). In fact Leliana seemed not to believe it seeing as she never questioned the credentials of the elves joining up from Kirkwall, where a whole mass of them attacked alongside the Arishok. Also, they are so convinced about the truth of the Chantry version of history, they would be in a state of denial that the elven god was anything other than a deranged demon possessed elf. Look at Sera's reaction to the Temple of Mythal. It can't be true and the Maker be true, so that was just a ruin full of demons. So can you imagine going to the Tevinter Magisterium and suggesting that some elven god was threatening their very existence? They'd laugh the person out of there or scornfully send them packing. Which is probably why they say it is going to be left to the little guys with no power to do something because the bigwigs are ignoring the threat. Sure, but at least in southern Thedas, the Divine herself telling kings and empresses that Solas is doing this thing would lend some weight to the situation, for the very reason you mention: they trust in the Chantry's truth and infallibility.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 14:34:40 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Apart from the Divine, Dorian and Varric, I doubt the rest know of the truth about Solas. It is never indicated that anyone beyond the inquisition was told about the events at trespasser. Still you need to look back at Origins, everyone knew the blight was coming but HoF had to jump through several hopes to get the supprot he needed and get everyone focused on the blight. See my sig. Being under attack by werewolfs, abominations or undeads is different then being unwilling to deal with the Darkspawns. That's having more pressing issues to deal with first. The Dwarves had nobody in charge after their king died (aka succession war) and Loghain was going to deal with the blight after he killed all the Wardens because he was conspiracy theory crazy. DAO is a game were the people in charge are willing the address the (main) issues but they can't until their (side) issues are dealt with. DA2 is a game where the people in charge own idiot balls, Hawke included. DAI is a game where most of the people in charge get blowing up in the menu when you click start. DA4 is a game where the people in charge don't care what is happening going by Patrick's quote.
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Post by TabithaTH on Aug 31, 2020 14:37:53 GMT
...and Lucanis I just might kill on sight. If we meet him in DA4, I don’t necessarily want to kill him. However, I fear the writers will portray his actions as good and not give us any opportunity to say otherwise. At least not without making us out to be bad guys for disagreeing .
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