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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 31, 2020 15:24:52 GMT
Apart from the Divine, Dorian and Varric, I doubt the rest know of the truth about Solas. It is never indicated that anyone beyond the inquisition was told about the events at trespasser. Still you need to look back at Origins, everyone knew the blight was coming but HoF had to jump through several hopes to get the supprot he needed and get everyone focused on the blight. See my sig. Being under attack by werewolfs, abominations or undeads is different then being unwilling to deal with the Darkspawns. That's having more pressing issues to deal with first. The Dwarves had nobody in charge after their king died (aka succession war) and Loghain was going to deal with the blight after he killed all the Wardens because he was conspiracy theory crazy. DAO is a game were the people in charge are willing the address the (main) issues but they can't until their (side) issues are dealt with. DA2 is a game where the people in charge own idiot balls, Hawke included. DAI is a game where most of the people in charge get blowing up in the menu when you click start. And their sucessors are too busy screaming "HERESY!!!!!!" to do anything meaningful. Once you helped them enough, they become ignorant f*cks again.
DA4 is a game where the people in charge don't care what is happening going by Patrick's quote. Fixed that for you. ...and Lucanis I just might kill on sight. If we meet him in DA4, I don’t necessarily want to kill him. However, I fear the writers will portray his actions as good and not give us any opportunity to say otherwise. At least not without making us out to be bad guys for disagreeing . Don't give me ideas worries. The Crows have been pretty much creator's pets with plot armour ever since DAO, but that... time for te puke smilie!
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 31, 2020 15:36:12 GMT
I just really hope they're really putting forth a lot of effort into combat design, because they really need to put more work into it.
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Post by Ameridan on Aug 31, 2020 15:36:38 GMT
This could help (or not ) . My hopes just went in to overdrive if that is indeed Kal Sharok!
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Post by cloud9 on Aug 31, 2020 15:38:11 GMT
...and Lucanis I just might kill on sight. If we meet him in DA4, I don’t necessarily want to kill him. However, I fear the writers will portray his actions as good and not give us any opportunity to say otherwise. At least not without making us out to be bad guys for disagreeing . As just as I predicted: He's just another Corypheus.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 31, 2020 16:11:06 GMT
Jos Hendriks @sjosz Me while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story.
Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my.
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Jos Hendriks @sjoszMe while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story. Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my. Is that a good "oh my" or a bad "oh my", is what I'm wondering.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 16:48:28 GMT
If we meet him in DA4, I don’t necessarily want to kill him. However, I fear the writers will portray his actions as good and not give us any opportunity to say otherwise. At least not without making us out to be bad guys for disagreeing . As just as I predicted: He's just another Corypheus. Yep. Just another crazy old mage who wants to destroy the world in order to restore the world he likes. So much potential wasted.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 16:50:32 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Bioware's just going to bludgeon everyone with the Idiot Ball again.
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Post by azarhal on Aug 31, 2020 17:05:45 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Bioware's just going to bludgeon everyone with the Idiot Ball again. Can't own an idiot ball if you're dead. I can totally see Solas taking over Thedas in a God Emperor of Dune style if his plan to destroy the Veil failed. He might also start a stone statues business...
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Post by Buckeldemon on Aug 31, 2020 17:25:47 GMT
As just as I predicted: He's just another Corypheus. Yep. Just another crazy old mage who wants to destroy the world in order to restore the world he likes. So much potential wasted. I think you (and cloud9 ) got something wrong. Colfoley was originally talking about Lucanis Dellamorte (a.k.a. the reckless Mary Sue Crow), not Solas. While I know your opinion on the egg, I'm genuinely curious what you potentially would have done with him as a character. Merely "don't do genocide" doesn't count though. I personally would have been more inclined I we could (perhaps there's still a chance) beat some sense into him so he lends his power level to the modern elves to give the much-needed boost in a world where might makes right. Though I suppose that most non-elf players would bitch and moan about that.
Bioware's just going to bludgeon everyone with the Idiot Ball again. That has been a tradition ever since ME2, and that's just my limited experience with the Bioware games since 2007 (ME is the oldest BW game I fnished). To be honest, some factions do hold an idiot ball as part of their main ideology.
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Post by vertigomez on Aug 31, 2020 17:34:39 GMT
The Crows have been pretty much creator's pets with plot armour ever since DAO, but that... time for te puke smilie! Crows have plot armor? Since when? We've only really dealt with a handful and you can kill all of them
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 17:35:06 GMT
Yep. Just another crazy old mage who wants to destroy the world in order to restore the world he likes. So much potential wasted. I think you (and cloud9 ) got something wrong. Colfoley was originally talking about Lucanis Dellamorte (a.k.a. the reckless Mary Sue Crow), not Solas. While I know your opinion on the egg, I'm genuinely curious what you potentially would have done with him as a character. Merely "don't do genocide" doesn't count though. I personally would have been more inclined I we could (perhaps there's still a chance) beat some sense into him so he lends his power level to the modern elves to give the much-needed boost in a world where might makes right. Though I suppose that most non-elf players would bitch and moan about that.
Bioware's just going to bludgeon everyone with the Idiot Ball again. That has been a tradition ever since ME2, and that's just my limited experience with the Bioware games since 2007 (ME is the oldest BW game I fnished). To be honest, some factions do hold an idiot ball as part of their main ideology.
I was merely responding to cloud’s post by itself. As for what I would do with him, if you mean as a player I’ve said before I’d like to lock him up in the same inescapable prison the Evanuris are in. If you mean as a writer, your idea is better and writing him as a villain that would be an potentially interesting direction. I don’t support might makes right but I can see him using Tevinter’s methods against them. Still would stop him as a player though since besides disagreeing with that mindset there are all the innocent people who will get caught up in this. Yeah they did that severely to all sides, both out cycle and the Reapers (why attack Earth first and not the Citadel to shut down the Relays?) so it’s disappointing to see them possibly doing that again.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 17:40:14 GMT
Sure, but at least in southern Thedas, the Divine herself telling kings and empresses that Solas is doing this thing would lend some weight to the situation, for the very reason you mention: they trust in the Chantry's truth and infallibility. There are two reasons why the Divine might not do this. Firstly, if Cassandra or Leliana, they would realise the backlash it might have on elves, which would only drive more of them to support the Dread Wolf, so I think they might be selective about whom they told. Secondly, particularly if Vivienne, it wouldn't benefit her position to suggest that the Chantry might have got it wrong in a big way about the history of the world. It was pushing things for Vivienne to be made Divine. If she then turns round and seriously starts to suggest that anyone other than the Maker could alter reality as Solas is claiming to be able to do, particularly after everyone was led to believe that the Maker intervened with Corypheus and ordained a saviour to put things right (they hushed up the truth about that remember), it would really rock the Chantry boat. Anyway, there is little that the rulers in the south can do about the situation for themselves. If Solas was happy to grant them a few years peace, then it is likely that is because they are not in a position to interfere with his plans. Everyone was far more concerned about the Qunari threat, which played right into Solas' hands. He stopped the conquest of the south and, as he likely anticipated, the Qunari began a renewed assault on Tevinter but everyone on their borders is shifting nervously as a result. Meanwhile he continues with his plan under cover of war.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 31, 2020 17:46:25 GMT
I don't really wanna see traditional "stealth" sections in DA at all, even if they do find a way to make it work with the overall party-based nature of the game. I also actually like that different classes have different utility skills, and I think the series should maintain a clear partition between classes, unless they're going to transition to a completely class-less system. What I would REALLY like to see is missions that require you to assign party members to the tasks that they would be best-suited to, especially if we're going to be pulling off heists and spy missions. I'd be okay with 100% stealth/pacifist being an option. You can either stealth your way around the threat, charm/bribe/con the threat, or drop a Mana Clash/Meteor Storm/Thousand Cuts as the opening move and brute force you way through the threat.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 17:49:43 GMT
So thinking on it, I'm curious about the idea of being 'powerless' and 'the people in charge not being willing to do anything'. Consider that - depending on your worldstate - it's possible for: * Leiliana/Cassandra/Vivienne to the Divine * Varric to be the Viscount of Kirkwall * Sebastian to be the King of Starkhaven * Alistair/Warden to be the King/Queen of Fereldan * Celene/Gaspard to be the Empress/Emperor of Orlais * Sten to be the Arishok * Dorian/Maevaris to be the leaders of the Lucerni All people in positions of power who are fully aware of the threat Solas poses to Thedas and I can't see many of them turning a blind eye to it. It seems like Thedas (especially the South) should be gearing up for a war on all levels, not sticking their heads in the sand. Leliana and Cassandra are doing something but behind the scenes. As I've explained on my other post, it doesn't do for the Chantry to publically admit they take this elven "god" seriously. The other southern leaders can help only as much as it affects their territory. Most of those bordering Tevinter seem more concerned about the Qunari at present, which is likely what Solas anticipated would happen. Varric does seem to be co-ordinating intelligence gathering in Kirkwall. I'm pretty sure the ones who are ignoring the threat are likely to be the Magisterium, who to be fair have got other more immediate concerns. Also if the Qunari assault does spill over into neighbouring territories, their rulers are likely to be distracted as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2020 17:50:07 GMT
Jos Hendriks @sjoszMe while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story. Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my. I take that as a bad ‘Oh. Oh my.’ But I’m not surprised. DA has a fairly toxic fandom. It’s split heavily and there’s no way for BioWare to please them all, so there will always be a unhappy vocal minority. But still, I wonder what specifically he saw that led to that tweet?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 31, 2020 17:53:29 GMT
Jos Hendriks @sjoszMe while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story. Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my. I take that as a bad ‘Oh. Oh my.’ But I’m not surprised. DA has a fairly toxic fandom. It’s split heavily and there’s no way for BioWare to please them all, so there will always be a unhappy vocal minority. But still, I wonder what specifically he saw that led to that tweet? Compared to fandoms like Fallout? Dragon Age has one of the more friendly fandoms I've been in.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 31, 2020 17:55:35 GMT
Jos Hendriks @sjoszMe while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story. Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my. I take that as a bad ‘Oh. Oh my.’ But I’m not surprised. DA has a fairly toxic fandom. It’s split heavily and there’s no way for BioWare to please them all, so there will always be a unhappy vocal minority. But still, I wonder what specifically he saw that led to that tweet? I think it’s referring to all the lusting over the characters appearance, since the first part is them hoping it’s the character’s story and personality they will like only to see all the “They’re hot. I want to screw it.” posts.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 31, 2020 17:55:40 GMT
Basically, I want the option to defeat Solas with a team of bumbling incompetents. Party: *Stumble into ritual room where Solas is executing magic to destroy the Veil* **Hic** AssassinCreedWannabe: *Ask the elves around if they want some drinks* **Hic** Not!Rasaan: *Can stand straight, fall down and stab to death the nearest elf in a trance* *Solas lose control of the ritual* *Hic* GirlWithGun: *Try to shoot some bottle aligned on the wall, miss and hit the idol standing on a pedestal in the middle of the room making it fly* UndeadFlameHead: *grip the idol and try to eat it* Solas: *Nooooooooooooo* *UndeadFlameHead turn into a glowing red monster* I want the inverse of this. The party is super capable, having gone through three Acts of hell to get leveled up enough to take on Solas, and in the final confrontation, Solas is just about halfway through the Veil ripping ritual where he fucks up, or one of his henchman fucks up, or one of the many elven maidens he's teased and abandoned fucks him up, and instead of stopping Solas, we end up pulling his ass out of the fire and rescuing him from yet another one of his world-destroying plans gone horribly wrong. Solas being his own worst enemy is a pretty reliable meme in DA lore. This also neatly steps around the whole Marry/Kill/Both problem, since we neither have to stop or kill him, he's perfectly capable of doing both to himself.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2020 17:56:03 GMT
Don't give me ideas worries. The Crows have been pretty much creator's pets with plot armour ever since DAO, but that... time for te puke smilie! Crows have plot armor? Since when? We've only really dealt with a handful and you can kill all of them I agree with Vertigomez, where did you get the idea that Crows have plot armour? You can kill Zevran rather than recruit him. If you don't befriend him he can turn on you and you can kill him, together with his former ally Taliesin. You can kill the Crow, forget his name, who is operating in Denerim. You can kill the Crow assassins sent against you in DAA. You can kill the Crows hunting Zevran in DA2. You can kill the Crow assassins sent against you in MoA. To be honest, it always struck me that for a deadly organisation of assassins that put fear into the heart of anyone who threatens them or Antiva, they were really inept at killing people. I think the Crows would be bemoaning the number of heroes with plot armour.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 31, 2020 17:56:59 GMT
Jos Hendriks @sjoszMe while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story. Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my. Is that a good "oh my" or a bad "oh my", is what I'm wondering. Without even seeing the social media in question, it's social media, so betting on "bad" is a pretty safe bet.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 31, 2020 17:57:53 GMT
Jos Hendriks @sjoszMe while working on something for one of the DA companions: Yeah this character is cool, I bet people will like this character's personality and story. Me looking at social media response to companions after the Dev Diary: Oh. Oh my. I take that as a bad ‘Oh. Oh my.’ But I’m not surprised. DA has a fairly toxic fandom. It’s split heavily and there’s no way for BioWare to please them all, so there will always be a unhappy vocal minority. But still, I wonder what specifically he saw that led to that tweet? No, I think it's just how thirsty the Fandom is over the sexy Qunari, especially on Twitter. Nobody cares about story or personality...
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Post by Reznore on Aug 31, 2020 18:02:32 GMT
There's no personality or story to talk about...so ? That tweet didn't sound bad to me, don't know about creators/artists who don't enjoy their work being popular. Also the DA fandom wants to F*** all the Things, it's just a thing. Usually people working at Bioware laugh about it or enjoy it. Ride the Bull?
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 31, 2020 18:03:31 GMT
I take that as a bad ‘Oh. Oh my.’ But I’m not surprised. DA has a fairly toxic fandom. It’s split heavily and there’s no way for BioWare to please them all, so there will always be a unhappy vocal minority. But still, I wonder what specifically he saw that led to that tweet? No, I think it's just how thirsty the Fandom is over the sexy Qunari, especially on Twitter. Nobody cares about story or personality... Ptrtty much this ^^^ The fan art has been pouring in
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Post by Tanyara on Aug 31, 2020 18:07:29 GMT
Okay, so my initial reaction on seeing this was Minrathous, which is said to be sited on a large island just off the coast, with a causeway connecting it to the mainland, so there would be a lot of water around. However, I saw someone's analysis where they thought this could be Antiva City, which hadn't occurred to me at all. Then I thought, that would explain so many different shots featuring Crows if some of the action was there. Plus: In Tevinter Nights the Crows were anticipating an invasion by the Qunari. I've always rubbished the idea that the Antaam would be stupid enough to break the Llomerryn Accord whilst they still hadn't broken Tevinter but what if they did? I'd always imagined a good way to start the game with instant action would be for the PC to be caught up in the assault by the Qunari on Tevinter, but what if it was Antiva instead? Just a thought. Those bridges look very Venetian to me so I assumed it to be Antiva, plus that it is close to water (I think) in the background.
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